Malema to Zuma on Nkandla - We'll see you in court - As it happened

2015-08-06 13:51

It's clear we won't get an answer from you, therefore we will meet you in court, EFF leader Julius Malema has promised President Jacob Zuma on the Nkandla matter.


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06 Aug 16:45
WATCH: Mmusi Maimane and Julius Malema go head-to-head in Parliamen.

06 Aug 16:45

It's clear we won't get an answer from you, therefore we will meet you in court - Malema

And with that, the House is adjourned.

06 Aug 16:44
Maimane: I just want to raise a point. In the PP's report, it says Zuma must take steps to determine what he owes with the assistance of national treasury. Question on paper is about whether he is prepared to pay a portion of the money.

06 Aug 16:40
FP says if not for Nkandla & Marikana, some members won't have anything to debate. EFF says "he must not start with us."

06 Aug 16:37
EFF wants to be recognised on a point of order. Mulder is recognised: we all know this is a rather serious matter. Problem is that Zuma's original reply was that parliament is busy with process. But madame speaker, when the question was asked, it was allowed to be put on the paper. If the questions were not to be handled today before the process was finalised, it should not have been accepted. You have a problem because it has been accepted as a valid question. It creates a problem to the frustration of all.

06 Aug 16:36
Zuma: The process [on payments for the Nkandla upgrades] has not been completed. WHy then should we think there should be a final word? I see no logic to that.

06 Aug 16:34
Zuma: The PP brought the report to Parliament and Parliament engaged in the process of doing its own work. Then in the process of that, there were recommendations that you do what is asked by the report of the PP, that the minister of police will make a determination. And this is what the minister of police has done. Parliament is at the moment discussing the issue after the visit. The process is still on. You have a process as this house which is not yet concluded.

06 Aug 16:34

06 Aug 16:33
Steenhuisen- Can you please explain how PP's report can be substituted by Nhleko's report, the man who was employed by and reports to you.

06 Aug 16:32
Steenhuisen- It is amazing that some MPs who were ready to kill for Zuma, now want to send a bill to Zuma.

06 Aug 16:30
EFF MP: This is unfair what you are doing. We have rights to raise points of order. Can you treat us fairly? Mbete: You must also behave in a manner which allows the house to proceed in an orderly fashion.

06 Aug 16:28
DA's Steenhuisen is recognised but EFF's Floyd Shivambu interrupts.

06 Aug 16:28
Zuma says the PP's finding was a recommendation. His answer is drowned out by the EFF's Gardee. Mbete tells him she again doesn't recognise him.

06 Aug 16:27
Holomisa: The PP investigated your [Zuma's] property, made findings and took appropriate remedial actions against you. Don't you consider applying for a judicial review given that you have challenged her findings. This house cannot act as an appeal authority on a matter that does not belong here.

06 Aug 16:24
Parliament has turned EFF MPs microphones off following a shouting match with Mbete.

06 Aug 16:22
Mbete says EFF MPs are clearly hellbent on disrupting proceedings.

06 Aug 16:19
Mbete absolutely refuses to recognise EFF MPs. She urges them to respect the House.

06 Aug 16:18

Mbete to EFF's Paulsen- this session is a question session for all members to participate in. Holomisa, Steenhuisen, and then NFP want to ask questions first. We cannot have some members hogging the floor. This is after EFF MPs got and spoke without being recognised.

The UDM's Bantu Holimisa gets up and EFF tries to intervene. Mbete says she has recognised EFF MP and he must sit down so Holomisa can speak. As he talks, another EFF MP intervenes.

EFF MP: UDM must not be allowed to speak here because they didn't even get 6 percent votes.

06 Aug 16:15
Ndlozi - this 'ginger' cannot go on like this (talking about Lindiwe Zulu)

06 Aug 16:12
An EFF MP is now full-on shouting at Mbete. He's accusing her of protecting Zuma.

06 Aug 16:11

Zuma's only response to Malema: Honourable Speaker, I have answered this question.

Mbete shuts down Floyd Shivambu saying Zuma has answered Malema's question, even if Shivambu doesn't like it.

06 Aug 16:09

The only report which is legitimate and legal is Madonsela's, says Malema.

My question is simple: When are you paying back the money? You've never responded.

Malema's question is met with claps from members of the public in the gallery.

06 Aug 16:08
Malema: The president is not answering my question because I am not talking about those things.

06 Aug 16:08
The matter relating to security upgrades at Nkandla is being discussed by Parliament's ad hoc committee, says Zuma. I've submitted a report to the Speaker. I believe the question [by the EFF] is premature, he says. I will respond further one the matter has been concluded by Parliament, Zuma says.

06 Aug 16:07
We now come to the last question... THAT question.

06 Aug 16:02
Malema: The president can't say when people take out the money that is supposed to come into the fiscus. Mbete: if you believe in what you are saying, you must bring it to the house as substantive motion with accompanying evidence of what you are saying.

06 Aug 16:02
Zuma on follow-up question from EFF about Lonmin and allegations that it takes billions out to tax-haven countries: The govt does not interfere with business or the private sector otherwise we would be chasing everybody. you can't do anything about it. that is how business is run. If companies take decisions about their companies, gov cannot come and say you can't do this. EFF shouts: you can. Zuma says : "you can't."

06 Aug 15:59
Zuma: Patel is keeping his job (in answer to Maimane who asked if Minister Patel will keep his job given the rising unemployment)

06 Aug 15:58
Maimane wants to know how the President will deal with issues of unemployment.

06 Aug 15:57
Maimane asks Zuma about rising unemployment. We've lost 1.7 million people who can't find work. We face a job crisis, the DA leader says.

06 Aug 15:55

06 Aug 15:53
Maimane says he sees the old alliance between the EFF and the ANC is back up. Malema is furious, he wants Maimane to withdraw the statement. Maimane bites back a smile and says he won't.

06 Aug 15:52

SA has interventions to boost investment in science and technology, water and sanitation, transport infrastructure, broadband roll-out and state-owned companies. "Government is also committed to improving the investment climate and enhance the ease of doing business," Zuma tells the House.

In addition to SA being destination for FDI, we are now also important source of FDI on the African continent. African continent is the next growth frontier. SA is in the fortunate position of having identified growth opportunities many years ago - Zuma

06 Aug 15:48
Zuma: Multilaterals have affirmed SA as regional manufacturing hub. many companies have invested in expansions, upgrades and new plans in SA. However, SA cannot be complacent.

06 Aug 15:47
Zuma: SA was again the largest recipient of FDI in Africa. SA also remains attractive investment destination as per the Ernst and Young attractive destination survey.

06 Aug 15:47
Zuma: Not surprisingly, SA was also affected by global economy and FDI inflows slowed by US$8.3bn in 2013.

06 Aug 15:45
Mbete ignores further protests from opposition and moves onto fifth question.

06 Aug 15:45
The DA's John Steenhuisen says Zuma hasn't answered the question, they didn't want "a waffle with cream". 

06 Aug 15:44
Zuma says to opposition that if they want to be in government they need to win an election.

06 Aug 15:44
The DA's Geordin Hill-Lewis asks why Zuma has not signed the TFTA agreement? Zuma says it doesn't mean they won't sign.

06 Aug 15:43
More than anything else, it appears, Zuma's response to answers has been laughter.

06 Aug 15:41
A DA MP takes a verbal stab at Zuma and says Zuma's answers have shown the little interest he has in the country's economy.

06 Aug 15:39
Zuma answers an EFF question: We can't stop moving forward whilst we are solving problem of tax base erosion.

06 Aug 15:35
ANC MP Lindiwe Zulu accuses the ANC of being "insultive". Yes, that's what she said. Another EFF MP says she's waffling.

06 Aug 15:34

Mbete - Members are raising new questions.

Ndlozi calls Mbete a mistress.

06 Aug 15:33
EFF's Ndlozi- earlier on we raised the president of illicit financial flows and you kept on waffling about systems, systems, systems. You said you studied Marikana commission report for 90 days you said you are closely studying it. If you are talking about industrialisation, what is your policy on tax based erosion?

06 Aug 15:28
Zuma deals with the question asking about industrialisation of Africa, economic diplomacy.

06 Aug 15:27

06 Aug 15:25
Zuma: You can't force them or bomb a country for disagreeing. mechanism is working, we have fewer wars in Africa.

06 Aug 15:22
Coups in Africa are no longer an accepted phenomenon, says Zuma. We have a peer review mechanism. That is South Africa's influence, he reckons.

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