Labour dept: Coloured workers safe

2011-02-21 15:22

Cape Town - The labour department on Monday denied reports that a million coloured people in the Western Cape would lose their jobs if changes were made to the Employment Equity Act.

In fact, the department said that the changes could see more coloured people moving into management positions in companies.

Spokesperson Thembenkosi Mkaliti told News24 that the law as it stands is “confusing” as it recognises both the economically active population (EAP) of a province and a nation.

Mkaliti said that the proposed change to the legislation would see the wording regarding provinces removed.

Trade union Solidarity's deputy general secretary Dirk Hermann and Democratic Alliance labour spokesperson Ian Ollis on Sunday slammed the draft legislation, claiming that it would see one million coloureds in the Western Cape and 350 000 Indians in KwaZulu-Natal losing their jobs.

Enhancing AA for coloureds

But Mkaliti emphatically denied this and said that coloureds are, in fact, under-represented in management positions in businesses and this is what the changes to the act plans to address.

He said there wasn’t really a problem when it came to Indians in top-level positions.

Hermann said on Sunday that the act changes "would require massive shifts in the population to reflect the national demography".

"It would mean that the current coloured and white EAP would have to decrease by 80% and 22% respectively, while the black and Indian EAP would have to increase by 154% and 538% to reflect the national EAP demographic profile."

But Mkaliti said that the legislation was intended to help with the enhancement of affirmative action for coloureds.

‘Ulterior motive’

Asked why the current employment equity legislation wasn’t sufficient, the labour department spokesperson said that changes would be made to the enforcement of the laws as well.

He said the department realised there were “challenges” in implementing employment equity but that they were hoping to address this.

Cosatu’s Western Cape spokesperson Mike Louw said that he would like to know the rationale behind the legislation changes.

Louw said he believed there was an “ulterior motive” behind Solidarity raising the issue when they did and that they were being “divisive”.

“Despite the Employment Equity Act, coloureds [still] aren’t in management positions,” Louw said.

  • otiose - 2011-02-21 15:32

    Nowhere in this article did they actually refute the claim. So now all 1 million coloured people in the WC is going to actually get management positions in the WC? hoorah! We'll have more managers than workers!

      Blake - 2011-02-21 15:43

      "Nowhere in this article" correct cause this article isnt a verbatim response clown. With the labour laws of today how can anyone possibly believe that 1 000 000 people of whatever race will just lose their jobs to make way for another race. Another NEWS 24 classic. Lacking editorial skills and content. Whats next news 24?

      otiose - 2011-02-21 15:58

      @Blake- buddy, if you think news24 is so bad, why on earth are you reading this or writing here? They never said the would just lose their jobs. Actually they said the would get management positions. Apart from the 80% who is over representative, and will have to find work in other provinces of course. Now go read sowetan, they didn't even cover this.

      Blake - 2011-02-21 16:06

      @otiose BUDDY!!!! Maybe i should have been more specific. I refering to both this and the PREVIOUS article titled "Coloured Workers Face The Axe". And i was refering to News24's at least once weekly article littered with grammatical errors and their occasional page filling sensationalism when the real news gets a bit boring. I can read what i want to Sir. and comment where i feel the need.... The beauty of free speech!

      otiose - 2011-02-21 16:12

      Congratulations on your support of freedom of speech Blake, I assume that means you are against the ANC's proposed Protection of Information bill? And then pro (in your opinion) poor news24 stories, as that also constitutes freedom of speech? What then exactly, is your point?

      Maki - 2011-02-21 16:14

      They did refute the claim, stating clearly that it will not happen. Colourds are clearly protected by legislation around BEE. The reason this became an Issue was because some of the smaller paties and their unions is trying to stop the ANC taking the Western Cape. They hope to put panic into our coloured comrades and hope to swing the vote back to Mrs. Zille. The ANC and COSATU is clear - Vote for us and we give better Job for coloured people in the Western Cape, Vote DA and stay doing what you are doing.

      Sir Halfwise - 2011-02-21 16:15

      Change the Employment Equity Act and move on, this is the price coloreds have to pay for voting DA. They will have to learn the hard way.

      Sedick - 2011-02-21 16:21

      @Maki. You are so right my ANC brother. We will continue on our corrupt, nepotism, self enrichment trail and to hell with the DA......before the dumb coloureds realise that they are being screwed by us, it will be too late........

      otiose - 2011-02-21 16:22

      @Maki - Even though 50 000 people move to the WC (mostly from the EC) every year, unemployment dropped since DA took power, while in all other provinces it increased (check out StatsSA). Have you forgotten how the province went down hill when the ANC still had it? Your saying it was better run under the ANC? Really?

      Other Justin - 2011-02-21 17:39

      Wow, and here come the ANC worms out of the woodwork.....

      Hans-Erik Iken - 2011-02-21 18:51

      Bah, how dumb do they think the 'coloured' population in WC actually is? First of all I still think it is plain racist/sexist not to hire the best person for the job but to make up a certain determined quota. I thought the abolition of Apartheid was to get rid of that bullshit. Secondly the proposal is not only flawed but unworkable in practice. And the population knows it and will not fall for it. I am so sick of the racist policies and the fools that defend it. You want more black management? Fine, then hire them if they are equal to the task only. But the way they are doing it now is placing incompetent people in positions beyond their capacity wit the result that white people feel justified in saying that blacks cannot handle the job. And that is equally bullshit. First educate the people (properly, don't advance them if they are not ready), then let them start on the same level as anybody else. Let them work and get experience and only when they are ready promote them. It is a tried and tested system. It might take longer but the results are worth it. Then nobody can blame the skin colour for a mistake, and nobody would feel pushed into a corner. Educate, train, promote when ready. This is not rocket science. Off course some might call me racist for trying to hold back the black people, but that will only underline the point I am making.

  • SamuelMabena - 2011-02-21 15:33

    Someone within the ANC is really bad with Public Relations and communications.

      Kiff - 2011-02-21 15:44

      I think all of them. They have standard replies to most questions, the most obvious are 1. Deny 2. Its apartheid's fault 3. Its taken out of context.

      Reality - 2011-02-25 20:35

      I agree. Why is it that they are always misunderstood or "quoted out of context"? Reminds me of a difficult teenager I brought up years ago, who would always bait us and teachers, and we would take the bait. Then of course he would deny everything. ANC -- learn to speak properly and unambiguously and without forked tongue. Then you won't need to spin everything afterwards. But I guess it is part of the tactic, to see what they can get away with.

  • Ross - 2011-02-21 15:35

    The Coloured workers will not be discharged they will be replaced by Black Africans through natural attrition over a period of time.

      Rem - 2011-02-21 16:08

      Don't be surprised they not even Black South Africans....

      thinker - 2011-02-21 21:17

      You right they will be force to come the Red Ants

  • Linz-e - 2011-02-21 15:37

    Just another cover up by the ANC.

  • modefan - 2011-02-21 15:40

    Coloureds vote DA and ANC, the ANC is trying to win ANC votes, I myself would like to keep the Cape DA!

  • taariqhendricks - 2011-02-21 15:44

    Those of us coloureds who have jobs are safe for the time being... ja f&*king right, its those that apply for new jobs that will be facing a problem should it be passed. Simple solution for employers make afrikaans a compulsory requisite for all jobs. We save the coloureds and whites.

      Smaal - 2011-02-21 16:03

      Not only that my friend but even though there are more coloureds, Indians and whites in the Western Cape the blacks will be over represented in that province based on national numbers. Once they are in the power seats jobs will go to friends, family and ANC supporters and the downwards spiral will start. I don’t care how you cut it, it is not a fair representation or a fair deal for the people of the Western Cape. It’s an ANC power grab to the determent of the Western Cape and its people. The ANC must be stopped at all cost.

  • Henry - 2011-02-21 15:45

    That is what they say now. In two years time most coloured people will lose their jobs in Western Cape. I found that people are placeed in jobs which they cannot handle. If employees do not learn and get promoted it is a recipe for failure. I know of at least two employees years ago. One person with matric started in mailing section. Collecting mail and distributing the mail in the factory. This man said this is not for me. So he studied and got a degree. He got promoted and promoted because he was good. Then he became a managing director of a big motor company. The other person pulled cars off the production line and moving it to the next line (also with matric) This man also became md at a motor firm. With both these men you could not fool them because they were doing the jobs down the line. They knew what hard work ment. Today people with matric or even a degree want to start at the top. In real life this does not work but in SA they want it to work. Shame

      Smaal - 2011-02-21 16:07

      Sorry Henry but within the ANC and the government I can assure you starting at the top is exactly what happens.

      Tasmee - 2011-02-21 16:18

      With the ANC, no education is required to start at the top. Just struggle credentials. Looking at the well fed ministers,they dont seem to be struggling too much though!

  • Bla Bla - 2011-02-21 15:47

    Stop playing with words ANC

  • Cynical Sci - 2011-02-21 15:50

    Is this how the ANC plans to make all those jobs they planned, by forcing dismissals in posts that then need to be filled?

  • Mxo32 - 2011-02-21 15:51

    Its election can expect this kind of propaganda

  • freddyvdm - 2011-02-21 15:52

    coloured safe ,black waxed and white Fucked

      Other Justin - 2011-02-21 17:46

      Yip, welcome to REAPARTHEID!

  • ? - 2011-02-21 15:58

    What ever the situation will be ...I dont trust this ANC hooligans

  • lldoidge - 2011-02-21 15:59

    It still boils down to the Country's demographics and not LOCAL demographics which means that the Western Cape will HAVE to employ more blacks. So where does that leave the coloureds and whites and where does it leave the Indians in KZN. The ANC have deemed them not black so then, like apartheid they become "honoury" whites. Eish!

      taf.jizz - 2011-02-22 07:20

      I thought its them that readily mention they are not black each chance they get . . .

  • SAFFA-CAT - 2011-02-21 16:00

    Hahahahaha, give the lying bastad a Bells. Where there is SMOKE, there is FIRE, and with THIS government, the fire is so strong, half the nation has 1st degree burns already.

  • Spade - 2011-02-21 16:00

    I wonder what the rest of the world thinks of this? How many international companies are re-thinking possible investment into SA because of the governing Black Liberation Organization's view on economic equity?

  • peterstuyvesant - 2011-02-21 16:01

    These intended changes seem prohibitive. What happened to competency of the individual to do the job? If a worker is not competent and effective in what they do, they will ultimately become unemployed. Unemployment in SA is what we're trying to solve. Race and skin colour has no bearing on competency - it's irrelevant. Why would businesses invest in their labour force (their biggest asset) if they cannot hire the best individuals for the roles? No wonder there's a shortage of jobs. Drop the race card - focus on getting the job done and we'll grow and prosper.

  • kylespobox - 2011-02-21 16:03

    bee is a load of rubbish and is detriment to growth in this country.Education and proper training is the solution to growth-working together and not getting a free ticket because you black-thats just not democracy thats apartheid backwards

      taf.jizz - 2011-02-22 07:22

      Am with you Kyle, but add "connected" b4 black then you'll be spot on!

  • exocist - 2011-02-21 16:03

    well if it isn't the spin(witch)doctors covering their arses once again this is their master plan to make that R9 billion rand job creation money go pooof

  • Maki - 2011-02-21 16:09

    They did refute the claim, stating clearly that it will not happen. Colourds are clearly protected by legislation around BEE. The reason this became an Issue was because some of the smaller paties and their unions is trying to stop the ANC taking the Western Cape. They hope to put panic into our coloured comrades and hope to swing the vote back to Mrs. Zille. The ANC and COSATU is clear - Vote for us and we give better Job for coloured people in the Western Cape, Vote DA and stay doing what you are doing.

      taariqhendricks - 2011-02-21 16:21

      MAKI i will rather do what i am currently doing as to become redundant should those idiots of your party come into power. Please dont refer to us coloureds as your comrades... its a huge insult. Maki what happended to the best person getting the position based on his/her personal capabilities and skills. Don't you think its time we truly move forward as a nation together black,white and coloured where everyone is equal. Im sure you have not personally experienced apartheid but heard about it from your parents or whoever so whats your buzz????

      CharlSkeptic - 2011-02-21 16:23

      The vote is already with the DA, you moron. The ANC and Cosatu cannot give people jobs even if they tried. Haha bunch of clowns

      Tasmee - 2011-02-21 16:25

      Oh dear, brainwashed arent we? Take a look around and see when last you saw a coloured person in a management position, or even being given the chance for upliftment of skills. This country will not be able to stand together, as long as people look at events through rose coloured glasses. As far I have experienced, coloured people are aptly represented in the Cape, look at the rest of the country? They are not! There are mah indian and coloured people who will not look at the truth. When you do, it will be too late..............

      cerveza - 2011-02-21 22:32

      @Tasmee - I live in Gauteng and see coloured people in management positions on a regular basis, especially in big chain companies like pick&pay, and it is very high compared to the amount of coloured people I see on the street. Where I do feel there needs improvement is ownership, I only see black, white and Indian owners

      Tasmee - 2011-02-22 16:13

      Cerveza, ownership is a different ball game all together. I know this because I am one, and the personal sacrifice I have to make in order to put together funding to own a business is unfortunately something that comes from perseverence, patience and confidence in your abilities. Not even banks, or Khula for that matter really assist small business owners. By the time you get through their scorecard you'll see why! There can be no quota system for that. If you cannot raise the capital irrespective of who you are, then you cannot own a business.

  • darkness - 2011-02-21 16:10

    EE/AA only affects government/parastatals in any case.

      CharlSkeptic - 2011-02-21 16:25

      At the moment yes, but if the ANC scum got their way it would include all employers. We must be vigilant!

  • Fikile - 2011-02-21 16:13

    When the white's complain and use "swart gevaar" tactics to the coloureds u know the only want to save their white skins. my coloured brothers the wool is being pulled over your eyes. wake up and smell the kak of the whites, you'll never be and equal to them.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-02-21 16:31

      Fikile you virus. Allow me to educate you.....In the Western Cape so called 'ANC ALLIGNED black Africans' are in the minority. Despite numerous attempts by 'your govt' to bus in supporters over the course of VARIOUS ELECTIONS IN THE PAST, they remain: THE MINORITY. Coloureds have lost homes down here to make way for ANC sponsored 'voting invasions', and if you think the COLOURED people are in ANY way as dim as what you ANC sheeple are - you are GRAVELY MISTAKEN. Watch this space.....blerrie agent.

      Colin Dovey - 2011-02-21 17:31

      Fikile - when folk like you stop seeing the colour of a person's skin as an issue in 2011, that is the day when the proclaimes legacy of Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela: "Following his release from prison on 11 February 1990, Mandela led his party in the negotiations that led to multi-racial democracy in 1994. As president from 1994 to 1999, he frequently gave priority to reconciliation." The ANC of the revered Madiba is no more. It is falling apart at the seams, and very shortly, Cosatu, the Communists and the weakened, tired and old ANC will crumble. There is a Barack Obama waiting in the wings - and that person will come from the DA. We do not need racists like Blade Nzimande who calls black people "Darkies" - what a joke for a "minister" of Hijack Edduckton - oops sorry I don't spell - but at least i don't have to resort to gutter like remarks regarding the excrement of other people - a "whitey" who actually supported the movement whilst at university, and was arrested at that time for the Beyers Naude House arrest fiasco by the Apartheid regime.

      Other Justin - 2011-02-21 17:54


  • AG - 2011-02-21 16:13

    Can you believe what they saying??

  • Robert - 2011-02-21 16:14

    Affirmative action sucks! Period!

  • nick - 2011-02-21 16:19

    why does the ANC think that the majority of the people in this country are stupid, maybe its because we've become so complacent, that the goverment thinks and does what it wants! Its all about money and they need votes to keep the cash-flow going, just another trick to stay in power.

  • euro-african - 2011-02-21 16:22

    Labour dept: Coloured workers safe (for now). But very soon any new jobs in the WC will have to go to ANC cronies and cadre deployed half-wits. Plus we want to assist about 4 coloreds to get management positions and then the other 85% of management positions in the WC will have to go to darkies, because that’s the national EAP. Really ANC, how stupid do you think the minorities are? Your ANC card-carrying members don’t pick on your double-speak, but the rest of us have a brain.

  • Michael - 2011-02-21 16:26

    The ANC government does not care about the colored people, it started with Mbeki when he made a deal with China to import cheap and inferior textiles into the country which laid a huge blow on the textile industry in the Western Cape, hundreds of thousands of colored people were laid off due to factories closing. The new amendments the ANC want to implement will be another case where the government does not care about what happens to the colored people. We must read between the lines and vote after much reflection about all things. Michael

  • lldoidge - 2011-02-21 16:26

    halfwit! get knotted you brown nosing, bootlicking anc cadre! The coloureds can't be bribed with t-shirts and food parcels. They have morals and standards which obviously makes you seethe with jealousy!

      taariqhendricks - 2011-02-21 16:40

      lol, we actually use our brains, wish the same could be said for the masses.

  • CharlSkeptic - 2011-02-21 16:27

    the circus is in town, permanently it seems... the ANC plan to amend the Act, takes out a few crucial words and...VOILA! oops, thats not what we intended...or maybe it was.... wait lets look at it again....nope, thats what we meant, sorry guys you are all fcuked. Timing is everything

  • theodoredeb - 2011-02-21 16:32

    LOL @ Mike Louw

  • R.Suppards - 2011-02-21 16:39

    This just goes to show the "thinking" behind ANC policy. The ANC,Commies and COSATU are indeed CONTROL FREAKS, they long for Stalinist repression so that all people, regardless of race are subject to their will. In their ideal world the individual exists for the state, just as it is now in North Korea.

  • Madelane - 2011-02-21 16:41

    None of this will create more work as it is merely there to place possibly unqualified people in positions for which they are not suited or capable of doing. Standard ANC practice it seems. This is furthermore political skulduggery and has nothing to do with the best interests of the country and the economy as a whole.

  • Tc - 2011-02-21 16:43

    Cannot trust anything the nANC utters!

  • Mad Hatter - 2011-02-21 16:49

    Maybe all this is just a small indication that race based institutional discrimination or social engineering practices don't work and only further divisions on racial lines . The utilitarian notions of democracy are always threatened by the 'tyranny of the majority'.

  • burtfred - 2011-02-21 16:49

    Ja right, Mike, and there was no ulterior motive behind your boss comrade Ehrenreich anti-Zille rant the other day. Hey?

  • Pilgrim - 2011-02-21 16:57

    Sounds like another "it didn't mean what it said". I hope the coloureds don’t fall for this excuse. As long as the ANC is in power they will never ever allow coloureds and whites to progress into the upper echelons of industry and politics. The ANC is after the WC and will force a population shift if they have to. If the apartheid government could do it, then the ANC is even more ruthless, cunning, and capable. Someone said that they noticed an increase in shack dwellers - where do they come from? Perhaps they are new ANC voters infiltrating the cape flats.

  • briansmith702 - 2011-02-21 17:13

    The dumb ANC have suddenly woken up that there are local elections coming up and this didn't fit into their program for the Western Cape so now deny, deny deny. A complete bunch of half wits and incompetant fools.

  • type a - 2011-02-21 17:33

    How convenient, coloured people are always the outsiders. Whites think we are not white enough, blacks think we are not black enough, meanwhile they both used our vote to get ahead and when they are done getting ahead politely forget all the promises they made. We will always be the bastard child no-one wants.

  • masterjane007 - 2011-02-21 17:34

    How about get rid of the ridiculous legislation alltogether and let people work for their jobs. You wonder why this place is in shambles on the one hand and promote appointments and promotions based on skin colour on the other. One would be left thinking you're intending to f up the place.

      lldoidge - 2011-02-21 18:56

      it will be if you allow it to be. be proud of who you are!

  • Other Justin - 2011-02-21 17:43

    And here come the ANC spin doctors to spin the story to their benefit. This bill is bad news no matter how you spin it, they are just trying to get the coloured vote in the Western Cape. Instead of chicken for your vote, they are promising to kick others out of their jobs and then give them to the coloureds, sound familiar? Bunch of poephols, we will see what happens at the end of the day, this is just more ANC promises and lies that will be gobbled up by the faithful African National Clowns....... VIVA AMAUSELESS VIVA!

  • genevieve - 2011-02-21 17:45

    OMG people, stop putting yourselves in little boxes of colour. Skin colour does not denote "class". Economic, education & personal dignity level does. If you act & behave decently, so shall your status rise, regardless of your "colour". To you bling ANC's out there, your nouveau riche commoness, with your fancy shiny cars & expensive beverage habits is not class, just vulgarity.

  • Wolfie - 2011-02-21 17:51

    Clearly a maths problem ...

  • Aabels - 2011-02-21 17:54

    Wow!!! Solidarity and the D.A. are stirring again. Coloured people are classified as "black' in terms of the Employment Equity Act. So are indians and "africans". So what's the problem?

      lldoidge - 2011-02-21 18:58

      Not if you work in the civil service. You are classed as other. Sit in on any employment meeting in any civil service department. It would be an eye opener for you! Now they want to spread it to private business.

  • barratt - 2011-02-21 18:03

    What is happening in our beautiful country? Whites coloureds blacks indians,all of these names are labels for PEOPLE....when the World Cup was in progress here,we were all best of buddies.We are all human beings,there is no need for labelling our skin colour.Get a life all of you who abuse each other.May God have mercy on our souls for being rascist. If you have a job,be thankful,many skilled people are being made redundant. Count your Blessings

      Sailor - 2011-02-22 09:15

      It is called propaganda and misinformation. The story first appeared in Cape Times and focused on the Colored people losing their jobs. Clearly it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out who the beneficiary of the ensuing outcry will be and hence the source of the story. Most of the commentators on this forum appear to be uneducated or plain dumb because the proposed changes in the law focus on managerial positions, not blue colour workers. The cape does not have a million coloured people in managerial positions. it is a case of whoever shouts loudest wins.

  • Aabels - 2011-02-21 18:16

    Wow!!!! Solidarity and the D.A. are stirring again. Coloured people are classified as "black" in terms of the Employment Equity Act. So are Indians and "Africans". So what's the big fuss??

      lldoidge - 2011-02-21 18:59


  • Donald Maasdorp - 2011-02-22 04:06

    @sirhalfwise. You are an idiot. Do you know anything about democracy or even what your name is. Who you vote for and in my case if you don't vote you have to except the outcome of such elections. This however does not mean any party can so blatenly screw people over. 10 yaers ago they said coloured should go th WC if they wanted affirmative action, now they must go to Limpopo, and this makes sense to you idiot. If not voting ANC has this effect on hard fought democracy by coloureds and Indians as much as frikadel blacks, why are you doing this? SELF ENTITLEMENT with no regard for anyone else. A HOLE.

  • Julius - 2011-02-22 07:14

    Please classify the races, ANC. Your mentors the NATS managed it. More racially based laws to come ?

  • buscentre1 - 2011-03-03 08:58

    What disingenuous rubbish! What this means is that new job seekers will have to move else where, and those that are laid off, will not be re-employed in the Western Cape. Economic forced removal is what this is.

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