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Last-ditch attempts to stop e-tolling

2012-04-23 14:46

Johannesburg - Civil society, Cosatu and the Democratic Alliance are pulling out all the stops this week in last minute attempts to have the controversial e-tolling system scrapped.

Court applications have been filed by the Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa) and Afrikaner lobby group AfriForum. The Democratic Alliance and the Congress of SA Trade Unions planned to protest in the streets.

Outa would be in the North Gauteng High Court in Pretoria on Tuesday to seek an urgent interdict to stop the launch of the e-tolling system on April 30.

"This is so as to give judges time to review arguments in the matter and then make a decision on whether to have the system outlawed or not," the alliance's chairperson Wayne Duvenhage told Sapa on Monday.

"The entire e-tolling process is very complex and expensive, and it's going to be costly to manage."

Summonses

The issue of summonses was also a key point of Outa's argument. Duvenhage said the implementation of e-tolling would put added pressure on an already strained criminal justice system, as the number of monthly summonses sent to motorists who didn't pay their toll fees would increase "considerably".

"More than 10%, even 15% of road users would be non-compliant and this will lead to a huge amount of summonses. There will be lots of non-compliance. You have got to ask yourself if there is an easier way to pay for the roads."

Outa estimated that more than a million summonses would be issued per month.

The SA National Roads Agency Limited's (Sanral) argument, according to the Beeld, was that it would suffer a loss of income if the levying of tolls was delayed, and that it would be forced to renege on its agreement with Electronic Toll Collection (ETC), which Sanral had contracted to collect the tolls.

The National Treasury has also applied for leave to intervene in the case.

"There would be serious negative implications for future financing of roads and investment in public transport, were Sanral to be interdicted from implementing the toll collection system. National Treasury... will argue that the interdict should be denied."

The case was important because it affected the state's ability to finance road infrastructure, it said. The government had contributed R5.75bn to the project so that user toll fees could be lower.

The DA, meanwhile, planned to show its support to Outa by protesting outside the courthouse on Tuesday from 10:00.

Spokesperson Kelly Miller said its members would be out in full force, and called on the public and other organisations to join them.

Countrywide protests

Trade union federation Cosatu, which has a membership of two million, was planning countrywide mass protests. A protest was planned at Sanral's offices on Wednesday, Cosatu spokesperson Patrick Craven said.

"The marches will culminate next Monday [the day of the implementation] and there will be big marches in all main city centres," he said.

"We will be also be watching very closely the developments at court tomorrow. We have appointed legal representatives to serve as observers at the court."

The union federation said it had not ruled out taking its own legal action against Sanral.

"We may take action if certain issues have not been resolved, but a lot will depend on the outcome of the proceedings tomorrow," said Craven.

The SA Municipal Workers' Union said its members would participate in all of Cosatu's protests countrywide.

"Cosatu strongly believes that the pressure of the masses is crucial to forcing government to back down on this blatant extortion," spokesperson Tahir Sema said.

"Our aim is to make the tolls uncollectible and force the government and Sanral to find more equitable ways to pay for road improvements."

AfriForum, meanwhile, had instructed its lawyers to urgently prepare court papers to oppose a decision by Sanral to levy a tariff of R1.75/km on road users who had not registered for e-tolling.

Chief executive officer Kallie Kriel urged the public not to purchase e-tags until the outcome of the legal action.

Kriel said the Competition Act clearly stipulated, in article 8(a), that no dominant company was allowed to abuse its position to levy excessive tariffs.

"If enough motorists do not register in protest against the system, it will force Sanral to reconsider e-tolling as a non-cost effective collection mechanism," said Kriel.

Sanral on Monday took out full-page newspaper advertisements showing a map of the tolled roads. The system affects a 185km stretch of the N1, N3, N12 and R21 around Johannesburg and Tshwane.


Comments
  • Gigo - 2012-04-23 14:50

    Down with E-tolling down....Thank you Cosatu..

      Herman - 2012-04-23 14:56

      Well, well, well, wannabe Castro also has some brains.....

      Peter - 2012-04-23 14:57

      For ONCE it speaks a bit of sense!

      Piet - 2012-04-23 14:59

      Down with the ANC who has given us E-tolling!!!!

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-04-23 15:09

      The increase in costs of transport and food for the poor is going to cripple Gauteng. This corruption called eToll MUST be stopped !!! SANRAL will collapse when they are having to send out 1.5mil monthly statements. Just don't pay and bring this thing to its knees !!!

      Reshan - 2012-04-23 15:10

      Gonna polish my dancing shoes tonight, tomorrow I toyi-toyi...

      Mhlonso - 2012-04-23 15:18

      Toyi-Toyi is for people without the right to vote freely.. Please vote wisely next time. Can Vavi openly say his followers must vote differently now? Is Vavi going to teach South Africans what it truly means to be in a democratic country? We need civic society groups to embark on voter education and voter responsibility lectures. This will prevent politician doing as they please and it will stop vote for T-shirts..can you belive that a South African can be persuaded to vote for a party by given a mere T-shirt?

      Irene - 2012-04-23 15:35

      Mhlonso ~ Well said.

      Kate - 2012-04-23 15:53

      It really upsets me that I live in a country where I am being forced into "breaking the law", I try my absolute best to be law abiding, if these tolls are implemented I cannot afford to pay them... specifically on principle.

      rbphiri - 2012-04-23 15:58

      The SA National Roads Agency Limited's (Sanral) argument, according to the Beeld, was that it would suffer a loss of income if the levying of tolls was delayed. Meaning the fat cows who have a share in this E-tolling financial molestation system would lose the money they have invested if we refuse to register for the E-tags. I stand firm with my decision of refusing to buy these tags. I won't let the cows of parliament graze in the greener pastures of my bank account. If you look at section 30 of the terms & butthole conditions of the tags, you will learn that this section states that by buying the tag you also agree that Sanral can have full access to your bank accounts when you fail to make payments. E-toll kiss my car's rear end.

      Xavier7034 - 2012-04-23 16:57

      Other uses for Gantries: A framework of steel bars raised on side supports to bridge over or around something; can display railway signals above several tracks or can support a travelling crane etc.

      George - 2012-04-23 16:58

      Any unjust law does not have to be obeyed, to the contrary it must be ignored, peacefully but firmly. Those responsible must be voted out of office immediately. SCOPA must immediately investigate how the public's money could be so abused.

      JasonMichelleVanderbijlpark - 2012-04-23 17:25

      Yay! For once, a report where WE ALL stick together regardless or race! Down with E-Tolls!

      Travis - 2012-04-23 19:31

      Anyone who buys an e-Tag either earns far too much money, doesn't travel on the highway(N1 is an absolute nightmare), or supports corruption. You are also making it easier and paving the way for the government to impose further unjustified taxes. SANRAL are theives!!!

      Leon - 2012-04-24 11:23

      http://toxinews.blogspot.com/2012/04/sanral-from-australian-newspaper-on.html

      nasheenar - 2012-04-24 16:39

      Nicely said Mhlonso. I think your comment on civic societies to embark on voter education is brilliant. Instead of voters being bribed with chicken or scared off with threats of heaven closing its gates on them they need to have proper education on what and who they vote for. I do believe that everyone should join the protest to boycott the E-tolling. @Rphiri where have you been? I havent read a blog from you in ages. I miss the funnies.

  • elewies - 2012-04-23 14:52

    Think I might actually have to join the strikes. Will be my first one ever.

      revaro.winkler - 2012-04-23 15:10

      you dont have the balls to do it elewies

      Anthony - 2012-04-23 15:36

      yes you do

      justindeklerk - 2012-04-23 15:44

      We can all protest and shout and scream and throw all our toys out the cot as much as we want, these people do not care. Like our government, they are thieves with only their own self-enrichment in mind, and they do it boldly and there is nothing we the people can do about it.

      John - 2012-04-23 16:01

      Me too?

      rbphiri - 2012-04-23 16:03

      That's the spirit elewies, hopefully such strikes will culminate to change in 2014 where the armpit race of parliament will realize that they are not so high and mighty after all. Let us exercise our democratic rights sensibly and out vote these capitalists.

      elewies - 2012-04-23 17:32

      @Revaro I shall take a picture at the strike next week, pimp it nicely using Instagram and upload it on this site :)

      Gieljam - 2012-04-23 18:43

      Man what a farce all who want to stop this only wastes time and money. To have lodged the original dissatisfaction and gained some reduction in tariff was too be welcomed.Fact is the stuff is up and is going to have to be paid for so stop crying because it won't go away .Rather try and get the taxis off the road's that also is never going to happen.

  • Janet - 2012-04-23 14:56

    Where do we go to protest?

      Gigo - 2012-04-23 14:58

      To be announced,but I will be happy if we can block the N4 from pta to jhb,see you there.

      revaro.winkler - 2012-04-23 15:11

      @ the union buildings zumas waiting lokl

      Trevor - 2012-04-23 15:17

      Kentucky

      Marion - 2012-04-23 15:28

      @revaro - zuma on honeymoon???

      Anthony - 2012-04-23 15:37

      in the shower

      Bobby - 2012-04-23 15:52

      Sganja, please take your GPS with, otherwise you'll end up in Rustenburg on the N4, all alone. Not much to protest against there? N1 runs between Joburg and PTA.

      Brad - 2012-04-24 09:39

      On the 2nd of May you will have a "breakdown" under every gantry in the middle lane and wait for the tow truck to give you your "free" tow to the nearest safest offramp. Best way to protest and see whether the "services that SANRAL promised really works?

  • stereev - 2012-04-23 14:56

    The people of this country have burnt libraries and clinics during protest in the past. It cant be too tough to burn down a couple of gantries.

      malcolm.molver - 2012-04-23 15:03

      Should be easy! No problem

      Tony - 2012-04-23 16:16

      Leave the gantries - use them as public scaffolds for rapists etc.

      valcooperRSA - 2012-04-23 17:04

      couple of angle grinders will do the trick

      Isabel - 2012-04-23 17:09

      I knew someone would suggest something like this! I can't say it's a good idea but I can certainly understand the frustration of those who would do it.

  • E=MC2 - 2012-04-23 14:57

    for once, i support Cosatu!

  • NrGx - 2012-04-23 14:58

    take this e-toll nonsense out the picture, and i see SANRAL as a good thing...they have inadvertently brought the entire south africa together fighting this blatant extortion as a unified nation.

      Piet - 2012-04-23 14:59

      Yeah and hopefully the people will start to realise that the ANC is not for the people. They should not be voted in again!

      Harry - 2012-04-23 15:58

      Vavi told the DA to f-off. He won't share power any more than the ANC do.

      valcooperRSA - 2012-04-23 17:06

      e tolls don't affect me - but I am all in favur of them not getting off the ground they steal enough from us already....

      Mike - 2012-04-24 08:29

      Val you have no idea - the tolls will affect everybody. Apart from changes in traffic there will be changes in the moods of people, enormous changes in the pricing of various goods and services, the delivery times of such goods and services etc etc.

      antoinette.jordaan - 2012-04-24 13:27

      @Val - heck, it's going to touch us all. Checkers and them big companies will "spread the cost" of the eTolls across the entire country, not just Jhb. Food prices will go up.....Oh well, guess I can do with some weight off...... :D

  • David - 2012-04-23 14:59

    Full on extortion. Problem is they will probably get away with it. This Govt does not listen to anybody they are a law unto themselves.

      revaro.winkler - 2012-04-23 15:11

      yes you voted for them

      Irene - 2012-04-23 15:36

      and will probably do so next time around ... AGAIN! Some people never learn.

  • Eva - 2012-04-23 14:59

    It's gone too far already. Let's hope for the best. Sanral has started something they will not be able to finish and then it's going to costs millions more.

      rbphiri - 2012-04-23 16:08

      Nazir is a butth0le and so is every other government official who has their greedy hands in the cookie jar. Damn cholesterol infested, big bellied, impotent idiots. I hope you reading this u b@st*rd$

      Ridwan - 2012-04-23 16:47

      It will cost them BILLIONS!

      antoinette.jordaan - 2012-04-24 13:28

      Problem is..........they've invested their PENSION fund!! What the heck were they thinking????? Those are people's retirement fund! And the invested in this crap??? Something NOBODY wants? NOBODY can afford? Sheesh.

  • francie.potgieter - 2012-04-23 15:02

    My question is this on the N12 that is not even halfway finished if fees will be collected seeing as the cost are on the boards.

      Sharon - 2012-04-23 15:34

      I find driving on the N12 most unpleasant! And to think Sanral has the audacity to charge top dollar for allowing us the "priviledge" of using it. They can Kiss my Bxxx!

      Travis - 2012-04-23 17:36

      The N1 between Malibongwe and Rivonia Road is a virtual standstill every single day. I bet it accounts for hundreds of lost man hours and lost revenue. Not to mention petrol and wear and tear on our cars when you are start\stopping every 10m. Now I must pay tolls to be late for work, waste petrol in traffic and pay for wear and tear on my car due to lack of traffic flow.

  • customdesign - 2012-04-23 15:03

    The scrapping of e-tolling will hurt the country more than it will do good.

      revaro.winkler - 2012-04-23 15:12

      you right

      Mhlonso - 2012-04-23 15:20

      Bloody agent

      Koos - 2012-04-23 15:21

      If it is so good, why have all the other e-toll planes been shelved for the other provinces?

      Randomhero6661 - 2012-04-23 15:32

      NO NO custom! did you buy an e-tag? if so shame, mara mampara ne? if you didn't then stfu!

      Gerald - 2012-04-23 15:33

      Tell me how If you cannot you must pay the increase in every thing that goes up for every body . estimated increase in the price of goods especially foodstuffs expected to be around 15 to 20%

      Konstabel - 2012-04-23 15:36

      That is utter nonsense. Yes, scrapping if will have a big 'once off' cost to undo the mess but if it's not scrapped it will cost the country forever. What do you think the operational costs are of the whole ludicrous e-Toll monster? The maintenance of the e-toll reades and cameras, hundreds of staff, shop rental, computer systems, marketing costs, vehicle expenses etc. And a significant amount of this money goes off-shore to the Austrian supplier. Don't throw good money after bad, stop the madness now and boycott the system.

      NrGx - 2012-04-23 15:38

      ARe you looking at this simply as a monetary loss. If it is scrapped, the government will lose millions / billions, because of plundered a pension fund. If it is implemented, the repercussions are just unfathomable. Food goes up, transport goes up, even your security (atlas etc) are adding extra charges for this e-toll. If you think its just an extra R550 a month to go on a highway, think again. Citizens / taxpayers will be paying billions per year and plunge further into a financial crisis. AND, what happens when they have recovered the funds, are we to continue paying billions....for what? do you trust SANRAL to upgrade infrastructure? I DONT!

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-04-23 15:38

      This is but a pilot project. Next will be European or Chinese building dams, canals and pipelines. Users will pay per litre of water, on an automated system. 30% of the revenue will go to individual ANC ministers and 70% to the European or Chinese companies. This is so exciting! Just think : the ANC minister can lie on a Hawaiian beach, sip his/her cocktail and become richer by the minute! Then we can start with biometrics : Just walking into a government building can divert money from your bank account to that of the ANC. Now this is what I call progressive government.

      Shaylene - 2012-04-23 15:41

      They should have NEVER put them up in the first place!!!!

      rbphiri - 2012-04-23 16:14

      customdesign shut up!!!!!!!! u stupid government butth0le agent. go play in traffic, u backward thinking caveman. What do you know about the economy if you haven't even invented fire yet. U moronic homosapien.

      valcooperRSA - 2012-04-23 17:10

      who cares...the gov doesn't care so why should we....they wanting to justify their new way of extorting money from the citizens who already pay taxes in every which form possible.....

      Sheik - 2012-04-23 17:59

      customdesign, Your real name's not Ally by any chance?

      customdesign - 2012-04-24 11:46

      So pathetic how people are barred from having their own opinions.

      Randomhero6661 - 2012-04-24 15:45

      ahhh shame...

  • Tsotsi - 2012-04-23 15:04

    Stop e-tolling. #Power to the people

      Gigo - 2012-04-23 15:06

      Amandla, down with people who don't listen to the masses down.We don't compromise...

      revaro.winkler - 2012-04-23 15:13

      giving the people the power to put it down in your city

      Koos - 2012-04-23 15:22

      Damn it Tsotsi! Stop stealing power! Rather steal the cameras!

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-04-23 19:29

      I don't always agree with you, Tsotsi, but you've got my vote on this one.

  • Pleasedie - 2012-04-23 15:08

    If we can pull this off, wouldnt they just increase the ever growing petrol taxes? Would be good to see us stick together on this, if we can, it would show us that we can stick together...and who knows - maybe the next elections might award us with a more competent, less thieving guvamoont.

      Mhlonso - 2012-04-23 15:21

      I don't understand people who are registering. Why??

      Marion - 2012-04-23 15:29

      @Mhlonso - succumbing to intimidation?

      Randomhero6661 - 2012-04-23 15:34

      that's the next step , the ever growing petrol prices.

      Irene - 2012-04-23 15:39

      Mhlonso ~ Nor can I understand them. They probably read the memo from the ancriminals telling them how to think.

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-04-23 15:09

    Our great mentor up north has a good idea. Indiginise. Nationalise. Just take the whole thing over and charge motorists 10c per kilometre. Together with the fuel levy already paid by motorists, manintenance should be well covered.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-04-23 16:26

      You're contradicting yourself. SANRAL is already nationalised. The government is the MAJORITY stakeholder, in addition to the private, minority stakeholders. That's the whole POINT of this mess. Government through yet another parastatal trying to rape law abiding citizens. Giving it all back to government 100% won't work either, as government is unable to maintain even provincial roads by itself. They needed the private partners, but their business model is ridiculous since tax payers already PAID for the 'nationalised' (public) roads in the first place. Profiteering in this case equates to racketeering, nothing less.

  • revaro.winkler - 2012-04-23 15:09

    cosatu must do what its getting paid for because it seems they not very succesful in these protest including the da squads they must start accepting they fighting a loosing battle

      Godfrey - 2012-04-23 16:19

      You may get the shock of your life.

      rbphiri - 2012-04-23 16:19

      Well well well, look what stupidity dragged in, a butth0le government agent. So you think ur masters at sanral will grant u imunity from the tolls becoz u are such a loyal abiding servant, not even in ur wildest wet dream. You disgust me!!! how u dare to comment that the etoll system should go ahead.

  • Gert - 2012-04-23 15:10

    The blue infra red lights are causing damage to the eyes and is a HEALTH RISK and is illegal to use in public. Babies on back seats staring up into those lights WILL GO BLIND. They kept this a secret from the public and it is a criminal act. An interdict against the use of the lights must be granted immediately because it is already damaging people'e eyes.

      Marion - 2012-04-23 15:31

      @Gert - I saw a viewer's comment on tv news this morning to that effect. Is it true?

      Randomhero6661 - 2012-04-23 15:36

      i make a rave sound when i pass through a gantry at night!

      Anthony - 2012-04-23 15:42

      well well now that,s news

      Marion - 2012-04-23 16:14

      @Gert - at this link they say the lights are not harmful to the eye. http://www.ectn.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=54%3Agefahrguterkennung&catid=41%3Aproducts-its&Itemid=60&lang=en

      Xavier7034 - 2012-04-23 17:09

      The light damage developed immediately after illumination with near-infrared light and a few days after illumination with blue light. No light damage developed in albino rabbits with near-infrared light at current power setting. The findings suggest the possibility that clinical retinal damage may develop in human eyes when exposed to near-infrared light.........

      valcooperRSA - 2012-04-23 17:14

      Interesting comment......hope many see it....

  • Pieter - 2012-04-23 15:10

    Can someone please explain why the minister of finance is backing a method of toll collection that is nearly 100 times more expensive than his own department will take to collect the same amount of money? The toll collection will cost nearly R 20 billion over 20 years which is 100% the value of the roads. SARS's collection costs are +- 1% of the revenue collected. Is there something we should know?

      Mhlonso - 2012-04-23 16:00

      That minister..which ward does he come from? who elected him? what is is his mandate from the people of his ward. I therefore say that minister is representing himself in parliament. He has no mandate from the people.

      Zing - 2012-04-23 16:26

      One has to ask why the treasury steps in to save the profits of a private company. If we don't pay e-tolls, the roads won't disappear, only the people who were to profit from it. There's a smell of corruption in the air.

      Irene - 2012-04-23 17:23

      Zing ~ Major corruption in the air. If there wasn't, why were half the files from SANRAL redacted so Vavi couldn't see them?! This whole project reeks of corruption and cover-ups.

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-04-23 22:01

      Mhlonso : You just made my day! Another 50 million to go and we've got ourselves a working democracy!

  • Thoka - 2012-04-23 15:12

    Viva Vavi VIva

  • Dave - 2012-04-23 15:13

    and just let one of there newly appointed peace officers try and take my car off the road, aint gonna happen SANRAL

      rbphiri - 2012-04-23 16:21

      For their efforts with should praise them by giving them a Bells....a Bells to the head.

  • Gert - 2012-04-23 15:14

    Get a doctor's report on the damage to your eyes already done driving through the towers and start individual civil suits against Sanral and sue them for millions.

  • Marion - 2012-04-23 15:14

    NO to eTolls. Someone posted a comment on Morning Live this morning to the effect that those lights on the gantries will affect people's eyes. Anyone know if that is true?

  • Sean - 2012-04-23 15:15

    Why are they still talking about alternative ways to pay for the roads. We already pay more than enough. The only alternative is to ring fence all vehicle related taxes and insist the government use these for actual road infrastructure policies. Currently we pay these amounts but the money gets used elsewhere and then they try to make us pay again.

      antoinette.jordaan - 2012-04-24 13:40

      Oh boy.......an actual other idea!! Oh but wait, they've already "borrowed" that money to uhm.....well, uhm......well, it's somewhere right?

  • lebogang.molefo - 2012-04-23 15:15

    I will be holding toyi-toyi lessons from Wednesday.... Toyi-toyi 101 is free lol..... Down with e-Troll!!!!!!

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-04-23 15:21

      I want to come along and get tagged for toyi

      Isabel - 2012-04-23 17:17

      I'm off to the UK next week or I'd take you up on that, Lebogang. We should form a human chain and sit down across the highway. If there are thousands of us protesting PEACEFULLY they won't be able to do much, otherwise they'll have another Sharpeville.

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-04-23 21:40

      Can I wear my crocks?

  • mmakhathini1 - 2012-04-23 15:18

    Dear Izinyoka it is time you give back to the Community steal EToll cables in Gauteng do the right thing

  • Mashilo - 2012-04-23 15:18

    Where are the izinyoka(copper thieves) when we need them most?

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-04-23 15:22

      The fibres linking the tolls are made from very precious rhino horn !!! spread the word ...

  • Gert - 2012-04-23 15:18

    The eye does not respond to infra red the same as for normal light and the pupil does not close to control the amount of light entering the eye. The lense and retina is damaged and you will fail your drivers licence eye tests eventually because of the damage. Stop this illegal system now.

  • Ashwin - 2012-04-23 15:22

    What does the Government not understand? The people who elected them into office do not want this. How can the representing Government claim to be serving the people? Upcoming solution: vote for a change.

  • Ian - 2012-04-23 15:23

    E-toll can suck on my E-toll. I will not pay e-capiche!

      Randomhero6661 - 2012-04-23 15:40

      toll-e?

  • Nathan - 2012-04-23 15:25

    South Africa needs unite against this reprehensible system. It's not constitutional. All together against Sanral.

  • Warwick - 2012-04-23 15:26

    E-tolling is an economic terror waged on Gautengs citizens by the corrupt anc and their useful idiots - sanral. Who let this idiot Nazi Ali into our lives to spread such lies, half truths and threats. Listen here Ali - I don't respond well to your threats. I do not respect your 'authority' - you are a clown puppet in my eyes and an anc cadre. You have no credibilty anymore. Stop the tolls, we the people will get you by the etollie and twist. Resign with some dignity...............or what's left of it.

  • AdeleFHM - 2012-04-23 15:26

    Will they succeed? I sure hope so. They love robbing us... Atleast some in the government are thinking of the rest. It's bad enough that we have to pay about R12 per Ltr for petrol...

      Ze Don - 2012-04-23 15:37

      Especially if you consider that 298.5c of the price of each and every litre of petrol sold is tax!

  • Marion - 2012-04-23 15:27

    Employment opportunity. Lots of guys n gals will be able to get jobs delivering the summonses.

      Sheik - 2012-04-23 18:30

      If they can afford the cost of using the e-tolls to deliver them.

      valcooperRSA - 2012-04-23 18:44

      oh yes indeed they will....i have big dog....and u know what big dawgs do

  • Manford - 2012-04-23 15:29

    i wont register for scamral, viva striking viva

  • Gerald - 2012-04-23 15:30

    The Consumer Protection Act states that the price advertised is the price that one pays.Nobody can advertise a discounted price and then charge more. Mrs Mohalha here we come 2nd May, prices on Toll boards at EVERY toll plaza are not the prices the general public will pay, they are the discounted prices that only E-tag holders will pay which in my book in fraudulent

      Sheik - 2012-04-23 18:31

      This e-tolling was never well thought out.

  • Jozi - 2012-04-23 15:30

    Same old same old, I said I WILL NOT BE REGISTERING no matter what the outcome in court. I WILL NEVER REGISTER!!

  • ndyeboreginaldmazawule - 2012-04-23 15:33

    The best interest at heart indeed. Hope they could win ths one for all th road userz yoh, viva Cosatu

  • i.see.a.cupcake - 2012-04-23 15:33

    lets just burn the e-tolls down

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-04-23 15:34

      SANRAL will have to hire guards to protect these toll gantries by night.

      Ze Don - 2012-04-23 15:38

      Charles FYI they already guard them 24/7...

      Phae - 2012-04-23 16:37

      How quickly you drop your mask of civility! Be careful your barbarian is showing. Let's act like decend humans while we stand against this unacceptable situation.

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-04-23 21:09

      I think cupcake's idea is simply marvelous, Phae. Bristling with creativity. Ascending to a higher order of intelligence and insight. Not a descend human being at all. Come on! Admit it! You'll just love to see that gantry ablaze! Smoke and fire! Burn gantry ! Burn! We don't want no gantry in this country! This gantry make our pantry empty! Burn, gantry, burn! (You like it, hey? Come on, Phae, don't shy away,let that dark side show!) Shucks! What we gonna light it with? Blitz? Bribeliters? Petrol? No, too expensive, and the ANC makes too much tax on it. Tyres? Yes! Where is Winnie? On crutches again? Tyres will be a very fitting epitaph thing for this gantry thing. Don't you think, Phae? Got a Goodyear? A Jokeahama? Doesn't have to be new. You can have the wires back. We gonna do something about this unacceptable situation?

  • Dries Cronje - 2012-04-23 15:38

    it was reported earlier that there are about a million road users going through gantries. so at the capped price of 550 per month. SANRAL will collect 550 000 000 per month if everybody registers. where will the money go? back pockets? thats more than the 300 mil needed for phase 1 of the national health act.???

  • Gert - 2012-04-23 15:40

    With the damaging blue lights it seems that they want you to go blind as to force you to use public transport because you will fail your drivers licence. They want to force cars off the city roads and force people into buses as to control traffic density in future.

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-04-24 07:06

      Gert: These are not really blue lights. They are infrared. Like the signals from your TV remote. The lights at these gantries carry messages from the ANC which are planted straight into your brain through your eyes. Like a wireless mouse it can issue instructions that you are not even aware of. The sooner we expose ourselves to these lights, the sooner we will agree with everything the ANC says and does, and therefore be relieved of this terrible burden of searching for freedom and truth. It is so much easier to let the ANC control all our thoughts and actions. The e-tolling advert on TV has a super low frequency message which creates the urge within us to go and buy an e-tag. This message can travel over very long distances, and will reach you even if you are as far as one kilometre away from any switched on TV set. Ask any of the people who have already bought e-tags why they did this, and observe their automaton reactions.

  • Faizie - 2012-04-23 15:40

    Yada Yada. Get in the payment queue numnuts. Lead SA is the right thing to do.

      Marion - 2012-04-23 15:52

      @Faizie - No Faizie, you get in the queue. By the way, normally people who post comments about curry munchers and homosexuals hide behind anonymity. You need to be careful what you say and where you say it. Big Brother is watching you.

      Zing - 2012-04-23 16:32

      heh heh - Faizie, you'll be paying for tolls while I don't. Think about that :)

      Vaughan - 2012-04-23 16:44

      If SANRAL can make a profit off this what's stopping them from tolling the municipal roads and side streets. Faizie you are the numb nut!

      Gerald - 2012-04-24 06:39

      While yoy are there get mine as well Thanks You can use your car's reg number

  • Irene - 2012-04-23 15:43

    I want to know why the taxis aren't also paying? anCancer scared of them? Until the taxi's pay, I don't either. Sorry for you thieves.

      lynda.manxiwa - 2012-04-23 16:21

      They knew that the taxi guys wont take this lying down and would start war....Let us let them know they are mess with Gautenh citizens, period. What puzzles me the most is the fact that the very taxis uses the roads more than us....These stupid scamral people think they are clever. They will get their money from the clever people who does everything the government asks them to do... I will not register.

      Irene - 2012-04-23 16:28

      Lynda ~ Exactly. They're scared of the taxi thugs because they know what they'll do. It's time we the citizens also started behaving like the taxi drivers do if that's the only way they'll listen.

      Gerald - 2012-04-23 17:24

      Irene in the Government Gazette published on 13 April taxis and busses were not mention in the section for exempted vehicles therefore they will also have to pay. Now lets ee what happens when taxis fin out that they also have to pay

      Irene - 2012-04-23 18:03

      makesuthink ~ Yes, but do the taxis know that yet?

  • Tawizee - 2012-04-23 15:44

    Blah, blah, blah... I'm not paying!

  • ludlowdj - 2012-04-23 15:48

    At the end of the day it doesn't matter what the court rules or what the government wants. you as a consumer are the only one who's opinion and belief matters. if you refuse to be robbed and do not use the toll road it will fail whether a court wants it to or not. Stop being Sheeple, stop be complacent and show your fellow man more loyalty than you have ever shown this country by not registering for an e - anything and by using alternate routes. It is time to realize that complacency and our inability to stop this issue dead in its tracks will fairly much doom us to continued failure in any other issues and will be a sign to government that they have free rein and will achieve anything by simply bulldozing it through.

      Zing - 2012-04-23 16:35

      Why should we not use the roads? It was ours to start off with. Now it's been given to a private company to make profit from it. BS! I will drive through and make sure I get an invoice in the post. Then they can see how they will get money from me. DON'T BUY AN E-TAG!

  • Deon - 2012-04-23 15:48

    I would not be surprised to see some more "refugees" moving to Cape Town.

      Koos - 2012-04-23 15:57

      ETA of the “Great wall of Zille”?

  • Dhavandran - 2012-04-23 16:02

    i hope we succeed but my biggest concern is that SOB gordhan who has now joined they fray to make sure e-toll gets the go ahead. he is afraid of his corrupt govt who gave him the mandate to bleed us taxpayers to death so that they can steal more. now they are worried because their GEPS has a stake in sanral and their ally COSATU is now showing them what it means to !@#$k with the poor.by the way haven't heard vavi make any recent comments.?

  • Mark - 2012-04-23 16:05

    RPhiri. "financial molestation". Thats a good description!

  • Katlego - 2012-04-23 16:08

    why dont this outa organisation and cosatu form a ruling party and topple these ANc motherf*@kers. They are useless.

  • Desmond - 2012-04-23 16:08

    Someone please tell me, What could be the best way of collecting this fees if not tolls? We have been fighting against this system but I never hear of anyone coming up with a better collection method. We were complaining when 20c was added to fuel levy. If Outa looses then what? Back to square one

      Irene - 2012-04-23 16:13

      Then what? It's quite simple Desmond. Whether OUTA win or lose, we will still not pay. It's that simple.

      Zing - 2012-04-23 16:38

      We are not upset because we have to pay for roads. We are upset because we have to pay for crooks.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-04-24 01:27

      Desmond, it's very simple. When government stops stealing public funds there will be plenty to go round. Just think how many other piles of money there are like the R5m stashed away by Mdluli and other officials. Add all of that up - its going to shock you just how greedy they have been .

      antoinette.jordaan - 2012-04-24 13:56

      Wasn't 20 billion unaccounted for last year? THAT's my problem with all of this. I pay tax for road maintenance. So, why the heck are they not using that tax for road maintenance???? Where the hell has that gone?

  • Craig - 2012-04-23 16:10

    This time I will not pay for goverments stupidity. I have no more spare cash.

  • Francoise - 2012-04-23 16:11

    In Benoni, the roads are not yet complete, and will not be finished by the 30th April, but we will still have to pay the toll fees. If SANRAL gets it right, Toll fees will be charged all over Suth Africa!!

      Vaughan - 2012-04-23 16:48

      It gets worse. I travel on the R24 which is not a toll road and is developing pot holes and I still have to pay R4 tolls when I go through Gallolies before I get off at Eastgate. Really don't see why I need to drive right through Edenvale because SANRAL is run by a bunch of idiots.

  • Ryan - 2012-04-23 16:13

    I have to wonder if we have to pay for driving on the N12 on the east rand even if the road works are not completed yet and are far from being completed.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-04-24 01:23

      I would say yes because the prices have been published on the road signs