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Legal action over Pretoria name changes

2012-04-02 17:04

Pretoria - Lobby group AfriForum will take the Tshwane municipality to court if it insists on changing 27 street names in Pretoria without a judicial review, the organisation said on Monday.

"We have been instructed by our client to initiate such a judicial review process and papers to this effect will be served on your offices in due course," AfriForum said in a lawyer's letter handed over to mayor Kgosientso Ramokgopa's office.

AfriForum brought a similar interdict before the court in 2008, but withdrew it from the roll after an undertaking by the municipality that a decision would be made only after public consultation.

The group argued that this had not been done and, therefore, last week's decision to implement the changes was premature.

"Should this be the case, your decision to effect street name changes without a process of public consultation and despite undertakings given under oath in your answering papers, amount to a contemptuous disregard for the processes of court," AfriForum wrote.

In the letter, it asked for a written undertaking that implementation would be held off pending judicial review by no later than April 16.

"Should we not receive your undertaking by the said date, our instructions are to apply to the high court for an interdict prohibiting the implementation of the name changes pending the finalisation of a judicial review of the council’s decision," it wrote.

Comments
  • Cassandra Olivier - 2012-04-02 17:11

    The money they using for the name changes could be going to building houses for the poor what a waste of money.

      hein.huyser - 2012-04-03 06:43

      They don't care because we pay our taxes and don't demand accountability

  • hoyingomane - 2012-04-02 17:23

    Of course they will win in court,if you're black or ANC you go to appeal after appeal but end up loosing anyway.

      Chad - 2012-04-02 18:04

      @hoyingomane, are you playing the victim again? If you are please change your mindset, it will change your world.... get rid of your african crutch!

  • Shirley - 2012-04-02 17:38

    Petrol is going up,electricity is going up! People dont have food on the table,tax payers must fork out more money on electricity to pay for those who havent paid,e.tag system coming in.....For goodness sake anc wake up and look around-there are a million other IMPORTANT things that the money should be spent on instead of your egos!!!!!!

      hein.huyser - 2012-04-03 06:45

      Shirley, it is election ear and they must keep the flames of apartheid burning otherwise they have no votes. The NP did it with us, they just play the same game

      Charles - 2012-04-03 07:07

      yeah, Shirley, and now they want to increase rates and taxes in Tshwane...supose, to pay for the name changes

  • Manu - 2012-04-02 17:59

    How much is the court case going to cost?

      David - 2012-04-02 18:09

      I think Chad misunderstands.

      David - 2012-04-02 18:10

      How much is the name change going to cost?

      siyadyosiba - 2012-04-02 19:01

      How much will the name change + court case cost? Because name change is going ahead anyway.

      bluzulu - 2012-04-02 20:04

      It's going to change anyway so embrace the new history . This is human evolution. Places change, Names change, Countries change...That's Life.

      hein.huyser - 2012-04-03 06:52

      2 bluzulu et all; How many times did cities and streets in America, Europe and even in England had name changes every time they got a new government. Virtually zero. Why? think man think!!! Yes now you've got it. For those slow ones, simply because they spend their moneys on important stuff. Once those things (unemployment, infrastructure, electricity supply, hospitals, schools, policing, army) are sorted they look at the other stuff. My goodness, is it so hard for you to remember your brothers in the townships?

      bluzulu - 2012-04-03 07:39

      Unfortunately you are incorrect Hein, Most of Europe was conquered by the Huns however not many Mongol names exist in Europe today. If you aurgument has validity then Most of Europe should still have the Roman names and as is fact , this is NOT the case.

      Jacqui - 2012-04-03 13:24

      Bluzulu, what a lot of nonsense. The Romans invaded Britain and the Monguls were nomads who had no country to call their own. They murdered, pillaged and raped all day long. When would they have found the time to write streetnames?. They couldn't even write. Give me a break.

      bluzulu - 2012-04-03 14:39

      @ Jacqui,,,,,Here's some Free education. The Huns were a group of Eurasian nomads, appearing from east of the Volga, who migrated into Europe c. 370 and built up an enormous empire there. Their main military techniques were mounted archery and javelin throwing. They were possibly the descendants of the Xiongnu who had been northern neighbours of China three hundred years before[5] and may be the first expansion of Turkic people across Eurasia.[6][7][8][9][10]

  • Steve - 2012-04-02 18:26

    Street/town/city names are there for one purpose only.... so that people, you and me, can find there way from A to B..... Maps, GPS, verbal directions are there to assist.... Constant changes defeat the very objective of naming.... they just confuse... Whether the name is a stupid African name or a stupid Afrikaans name is irrelevant.... leave the bloody name alone..... Total dick-heads the lot of them

  • siyadyosiba - 2012-04-02 19:01

    Afriforum AGAIN?? Bring me Julius Malema.

      Jeremy - 2012-04-02 22:20

      You Sir are a plonker of note. Fortunately you are young enough to witness the TOTAL degradation of this country. Back to the state of nomadic nothingness prior to Europeans arriving. This is you right. However attending decent European centres of learning clearly do not come as your right as you detest the people who developed them. You cannot play both ends against the middle with little or no knowledge, unless of course you work for the CancER party, and then only for a limited while longer. I relish the day that the PEOPLE rise again and bathe the spears in Cadre blood. You know they will!!

      Jeremy - 2012-04-02 22:22

      ANC again!! and Again and Again and again and ooops they gone........

      seanpresherhughes_1 - 2012-04-03 01:33

      Siya, climb back into your box!!!!!!!!

      hein.huyser - 2012-04-03 06:53

      @ siyadyosiba et all; How many times did cities and streets in America, Europe and even in England had every time they got a new government. Virtually zero. Why? think man think. Yes now you've got it. For those slow ones, simply because they spend their moneys on important stuff. Once those things (unemployment, infrastructure, electricity supply, hospitals, schools, policing, army) are sorted they look at the other stuff. My goodness, is it so hard for you to remember your brothers in the townships?

  • Sonia - 2012-04-02 19:32

    Our government has got time and money to waste. I don't see any reason why street name should be changed_what difference does it make. The government must be more concerned with significant matters than renaming the street.

      Robert - 2012-04-02 21:30

      @siyadyosiba. Are you just thick or deliberately obtuse? It is a symptom of African rule to rename everything after `struggle heroes' (travell a bit through Africa and you will see). At the end of the day the roads and cities that are renamed fall apart, dirty, broken down remnants of what they were. When the focus of the government is on what a road is called, and not maintaining it, it is a wasted cause. I challenge you to name these `architects of apartheid' that the streets are named after one by and tell us what their contribution to apartheid was. I bet you cannot do it. (Remember son, there are 27 streets you have to name). I am really having to bite my tongue here, because I so badly want to make a sarcastic comment about how none of these streets existed before the European influence arrived in Africa, but I won't. And as far as your comments about `the architects of apartheid' preventing you from attending those prestigious universities, have you actually quallified to attend one? I seriously doubt it under the new poor standard of education policied by the ANC. And your mate Julius lives in Sandton. Also, the ANC government prescribes racial quotas on employment, particularly in the public sector, so don't blame anyone else if black people are expected to fill posts in those fields. And where is this mental brainwashing? Where did YOU experience it?

  • Kolobe - 2012-04-02 19:41

    who funds this afriforum idiots?

      siyadyosiba - 2012-04-02 20:08

      right wings and westerns.

      Chad - 2012-04-02 20:45

      @kolobe if the names are changed will you move on. or will you blame the westerns, (i'll include u siyadyosiba), the same western world whose sanctions forced the apartheid government into submission. hang on you havent blamed the chinese yet, or what about the arabs? Come on... when one is subjected to personal violation (ie. robbery, rape) they are taught not to adopt a victim mentality. Imagine the japanese still harping about hiroshima, the chinese about japanese rule. please look up victor frankel and begin to live in a world of self responsibilty....

      Chad - 2012-04-02 21:57

      @kolobe & @siyadyosiba please respond. tell me you looked up emotional trauma treatment, victor frankel, far east history, anything at might broaden your intellect.....

      Jeremy - 2012-04-02 22:13

      fyi the westerners (European Union)are bl@@dy well paying for half of the CancER party's health service. They are under no obligation to. They just feel that unlike you, helping this sad messed up country might assist in creating good will. Not a chance!!! So bl@@dy grateful. Stop bleating and go and build a nation.

      alansmartSnr - 2012-04-03 01:25

      @ siyadyosiba..Kolobe..siyadyosiba ..You poor people are a joke. Can't you see that the way things are going we're all a path of self destruction. I would strongly suggest that you educate yourselves slightly by reading "Animal Farm" which is an exact script for what the ANC is doing and "Peters Principal" Which is an exact script for every member of the ANC parlementarians, Premiers, Municipal Managers and all other political appointments and nepotism in governance. I bear you no animosity but I am sure that you would aggree with me once you've had a look at a brief summary of these two works which I'm sure you'll be able to Wiki. I realy feel sorry for you guys who live in absolute ignorance of obvious repurcussions which we all will have to face if things don't change for the better soon. Please do yourselves this favour.

      hein.huyser - 2012-04-03 06:59

      I do. To keep bigots and racists like you at bay. Sies man your racist. You are out of the township in the very nice suburbs of the very whites you hate but you forgot your brothers in the townships. Sies man, sies!! Hamba now.

      Jacqui - 2012-04-03 13:27

      Right wings and westerns?. What are those?.

  • Jeremy - 2012-04-02 22:07

    If the band of thieves posing as government had just left the 30billion it stole just last financial year, they could have put a deposit down on building a new city. Interesting concept that would create jobs, homes, generate revenues and ultimately give some pride to black people who so sorely need to see some hope. They would also then be entirely within their rights to name streets after the founding fathers. But hell its just so much easier to steal the money, wreck the infra-structure and p$ss off the public, comfortable in the knowledge that it will take at least another 8 years before the CancER party is finished for good.

      hein.huyser - 2012-04-03 07:02

      What and stop stealing. You must be crazy man. This is Africa and they can not do anything other than push race hate, violence and theft to cover up their clepto tendencies while blaming everyone else except themselves for their situation.

  • seanpresherhughes_1 - 2012-04-03 01:29

    This is just about the government's egos that they do not have their" mark" in Pretoria! If the ANC loses their hold one day their names could be ripped off again anyway irrespective of the costs, that's how the general public feels I am sure, just in spite! This government HAS to realise the full extent of the costs and utter confusion it has to " just go and place their name on a plate of metal" as they see it!? Maps have be be re-written, GPS's have to be changed which also costs the public money, utter confusion for our well needed tourism industry and many more ramnifications that this government have not even contemplated yet, all they want is their " Wall of fame" f....ck the rest! What bad mentality is that?

  • seanpresherhughes_1 - 2012-04-03 01:40

    I wonder one thing , if the road names change, will they be up-kept better due to their pure ego attached to them ? I think not, as long as their name is on a sign-post that is all that matters to them!

      hein.huyser - 2012-04-03 07:04

      Unfortunately the history of the last 20 years have given you your answer.

  • Charles - 2012-04-03 07:23

    Bluzulu, the current names are also part of history, so no need for name changes. It won't change history will it? What I know, it's going to cost everyone, you and I. Most municipalities are financially in the red, but they have money for stupit name changes....oh, I forgot, that's why they going to increase municipal taxes in tshwane now... hope you enjoy paying them

      bluzulu - 2012-04-03 07:40

      Charles, Most of Europe was conquered by the Huns however not many Mongol names exist in Europe today. If you aurgument has validity then Most of Europe should still have the Roman names and as is fact , this is NOT the case

      Carlos - 2012-04-03 10:10

      @ Bluzulu: The Huns were Caucasians and therefore not Mongols. Don't try to be smart if you only have half the facts. Most of Latin Europe still bear Roman names or the names changed as the local languages evolved, for example Valentia in Roman times is now called Valencia.

      bluzulu - 2012-04-03 10:37

      @ Carlos,,,,,Here's some Free education. The Huns were a group of Eurasian nomads, appearing from east of the Volga, who migrated into Europe c. 370 and built up an enormous empire there. Their main military techniques were mounted archery and javelin throwing. They were possibly the descendants of the Xiongnu who had been northern neighbours of China three hundred years before[5] and may be the first expansion of Turkic people across Eurasia.[6][7][8][9][10]

      bluzulu - 2012-04-03 10:38

      Caucasians are now from Nothern China and Mongolia , Carlos? Thats a new spin.

  • Jacqui - 2012-04-03 13:18

    Give them a break, everything is running so smoothly there, they have masses of money to spend and not a pothole in sight. No shacks and unemployment, why they are a model lot, so what else can they spend their time on other than street names?. Oh heavens.

  • John - 2012-04-13 19:20

    What in the hell are they up to. Why do we need name changes? It screws up everything, postal address, directions, not to mention money hat it costs all of us. W hat about GPS?

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