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Liquor surprise for pregnant women

2012-02-06 14:15

Johannesburg - The draft Gauteng liquor bill of 2012, released on Monday and awaiting public comment, would prohibit the sale of alcohol to pregnant women, the DA said.

"Pregnant women in this province are in for a surprise next time they stop off to buy a bottle of champagne," spokesperson Gavin Lewis said in a statement.

According to section 53(1) of the draft legislation, a licensed liquor trader would not be allowed to sell, supply or give alcohol to minors, anyone wearing a school uniform, anyone who "reasonably appears to be intoxicated", or pregnant women.

"Actuated no doubt by the real concerns around foetal alcohol syndrome, this provision is likely to have all sorts of unanticipated consequences in the law courts," Lewis said.

These included possible conflict with the Constitution and gender equity regulations, he said.

According to the draft legislation, a licence application must be accompanied by the "broad-based black economic empowerment (BBBEE) or black economic empowerment status of the applicant indicating the shareholding, member’s interest or partnership structure of the applicant".

Section 17(1) states that the MEC may issue regulations directing that all applicants must meet a certain BBBEE status within a determined period.

Lewis said the BEE provisions in the bill could add to the burden of small businesses, who would likely find it more difficult to implement than big industries.

Despite these concerns, Lewis said the bill did indicate "a real desire to clamp down on substance abuse" and tighten the responsibilities of liquor outlets.

Comments
  • nikondaniel - 2012-02-06 14:27

    So would this require women to where proof of being not pregnant with them? Or, does this only imply women that is "visually" pregnant?!? This is going to ambarras a lot of overweight, non-pregnant women! Banana Republic mentality

      Brett - 2012-02-06 14:36

      Haha they might ask them to pee on a pregnancy test thingy.

      David - 2012-02-06 15:02

      Ja,Nee. We must also pass a law prohibiting politicians from buying expensive German sedans with OUR tax money. How about that?

      Godfrey - 2012-02-06 15:09

      Nanny state on steroids

      Godfrey - 2012-02-06 15:10

      Besides - this is unconstitutional as it discriminates on the basis of gender. I thought the ANC supported gender equality.

      Ina - 2012-02-06 15:26

      Never heard of any thing so ridiculous in my life! Whatever next!

      Gerhard - 2012-02-06 15:40

      So if you are a pregnant teenager, who thought you would nip out for a refill after you finished that last six pack with your buddies at school, you are screwed.

      John - 2012-02-06 15:50

      @Godfrey My comment is not about if pregnant woman can buy alcohol or not. Your Famous words:..."is unconstitutional as it discriminates on the basis of gender. I thought the ANC supported gender equality....." I think "Pregnant man" must not be allowed to buy alcohol also.

      JazzyBlues - 2012-02-06 16:05

      o my gosh!!! This is crazy!!! Better not wear my 'fat' pants when I wanna buy some wine. LOL!!! This is gonna cause a lot of offended overweight (non preggies) woman that's gonna want to knock sales clerks over the head with a bottle of wine!!!!

      TJ - 2012-02-06 16:11

      I have a foster child who has FAS. Are any of you aware of what this does to the unborn baby? Who protects the rights of these unborn babies who are going to come into the world with 100% preventable brain damage? Yes, adults do have the right to choose, but who gives the baby a choice in this matter? SA has one of the highest instances of FAS WORLDWIDE. Is that something to be proud of? About 3/4 of children in foster care or adoption have FAS. The prisons are full of people who have FAS. FAS sufferers have very little impulse control. They also don't really understand the difference between right and wrong, even though they may say that they do. Their brain 'wiring' is different to everyone else. FAS sufferers are easily misled and are targeted by gangs as they can be so easily infuenced. They are often refered to as 'problem people'. They are not the problem though. Their mothers who chose to drink while pregnant and society's attitude as a whole is where the real problem lies. Like many other FAS kids, my son also battles to understand concepts and so battles at school in various subject. However, the Dept of Education, in their great wisdom, have not taken these kids into consideration. Don't even start on the subject of trying to find councilling for these kids. It is not only kids who have FAS. FAS is 100% incurable and is the only mental illness that is 100% preventable. Still, whose rights are being compromised again?

      Burtfred - 2012-02-06 16:21

      Just because a pregnant woman is buying the booze, doesn't automatically mean she is going to drink it. She could be buying it for her husband. Are pregnant women also going to be barred from buying cigarettes? This government is out of control.

      Sizah - 2012-02-06 16:23

      @BadMuse its easy mat, if u pregnant send somebody who is not pregnant.... PROBLEM SOLVED

      John - 2012-02-06 16:52

      @TJ I don't know exactly what point you trying to make here, but prohibiting sell of alcohol to a pregnant woman will not rectify FAS (Fetal Alcohol Syndrome). One way or another.....If woman is neglecting these risk factors during the pregnancy a think AWARENESS and EDUCATION Programs is the way to go. Laws as such will not contribute anything positive, but another scheme for corruption. "Still, whose rights are being compromised again?" - We've seen this slogan in many campaigns...and doesn't work well. I am against high levels of alcohol consumption during pregnancy, but TJ we don't need stupid laws, becouse next one will be not to sell a super glue to a pregnant woman becouse she might inhale.

      TJ - 2012-02-07 08:42

      @ John, I am not saying that the sale of alcohol must be prohibited and also this bill is going about this the wrong way. Also, the most damage done to the foetas is in the first trimester (although damage is done throughout the rest of the pregnancy) and many of these women don't even know they are pregnant. There are some places overseas that are bringing in new legislation where newborn babies are being tested for FAS and also if the woman is aware of being pregnant and yet continues drinking through the rest of the pregnancy, she can be charged and fines and jailed for child abuse. I think that is more the way to go. You would be surprised to hear how many 'pickled' babies are born. I am trying to put across the message that this is something real and needs to be adressed. If anyone came come up with better ideas to protect these babies, please, lets hear them. I am not kidding when I said SA has the highest number of FAS sufferers. For example, De Aar has the highest WORLDWIDE and it is estimated that at least i in 10 kids starting Grade 1 have FAS. There is no cure. Instead of critisizing, come up with other solutions to curb this. Our kids are our future. At the moment that future is not looking so good. We need to nurture our children, not harm them for life through our own selfishness.

      John - 2012-02-07 10:10

      TJ, You got the answer in your previous post: ".... if the woman is aware of being pregnant and yet continues drinking through the rest of the pregnancy, she can be charged and fines and jailed for child abuse...." Excellent....please tell me which country has this kind of legislation and we all support and demand from our government the same. Please don't get excited of prohibiting alcohol sale to pregnant woman, becouse this is more like "cutting the hand, becouse might steal" aproach. You have a very strong case why pregnant woman must not CONSUME alcohol, but in the same token don't mix that with someone's political agenda. Just in very short note please: "...and many of these women don't even know they are pregnant...." i think the cycle that takes 28 days is self explanatory.

  • peter.bezuidenhout - 2012-02-06 14:29

    And the first lady you refuse a drink to because she looks pregnant, who turns out to be nothing more than overweight will certainly not be too happy!

      Janice - 2012-02-06 15:58

      True, and then I suppose they can sue for defammation of character too.

  • jaz82 - 2012-02-06 14:34

    Well firstly, if someone is pregnant, she shouldnt even consider to buy booze, and if she does, she is not fit to be a human

      planetdonovan - 2012-02-06 14:38

      yes, but we don't need a nanny state with another misguided law that's supposedly in our best interest.

      nikondaniel - 2012-02-06 14:38

      Jeeez, you should move to Afghanistan!

      Jason - 2012-02-06 14:48

      Ag jaz82 - and what if she is buying it for her husband, boyfriend or friends, then she is not fit to be human??

      Gordon - 2012-02-06 14:54

      even if she is hosting a dinner party or getting some beers for the boys? You cannot legislate against stupidity. Getting the booze companies to fund FA programs and cover the cost of the results of FAS will cause much stricter policing of the current laws. Make the booze companies pay for the damage they do.

      jaz82 - 2012-02-06 15:29

      Jason, who on earth will send their pregnant Gf/wife to buy booze so that they can have a good time? the fact of the matter is, that pregnant woman should not even think of using alcohol, and yes, its inhuman, cause at the end of the day, i do not care what happens to the woman, it is the unborn baby that suffers.

      Dean - 2012-02-06 15:55

      Wow, you certainly have a dark ages mentality. So my pregnant wife cant stop at the local Tops and grab a six pack for me while I am at home doing the gardening??? Stupid law, most educated women are aware of the dangers of drinking while pregnant, for those that arent legislating a law like this is the least of their worries, they will still drink, smoke and take drugs

      J-Man - 2012-02-06 15:56

      jaz82 - do some research before you comment.

      skootzie - 2012-02-06 16:15

      jaz82 : Imagine, for a moment, that a man is currently 30,000ft in the air, on his way back from a business trip. His wife is out shopping and, while visibly pregnant, is still capable of doing things for herself. She intends to spoil her man and welcome him home by cooking him dinner and presenting him with his favourite wine. This new law will prohibit her from buying said wine, ergo preventing her from spoiling her man in a manner she chooses. Is this fair? No. While that is only an analogy, the law also discriminates against her being pregnant by automatically assuming that she is going to drink the alcohol for herself and endanger her child while at the same time indirectly calling her a bad mother. Is this fair? No. At least TRY to think a little before posting?

      Danielle - 2012-02-06 16:30

      I totally agree, that NO pregnant person should smoke or drink. Having said that- I don't drink, or smoke at all, much less when I was pregnant- however I can assure you that during at least 1 of my 3 pregnancies, my husband asked, while I was at the store to pick up a 6 pack for him while a rugby game was on. So now myself and other truly innocent people should be treated like idiots or someone lacking in commonsense. Besides-just as the alcohol I was buying wasnt for me- how are they going to prevent someone who is idiotic enough to drink while pregnant in the first place, from getting someone else to buy booze for them?

      Develyn33 - 2012-06-28 10:12

      Dont be stupid Jaz - I do the shopping for our home - should I not be allowed to buy my partner beer because I am pregnant?? Of a nice gift bottle of wine for a friend! Dumbest thing I ever heard!

      Develyn33 - 2012-06-28 10:14

      Also - if a pregnant woman wants to drink then not letting her buy it herself will not stop her anymore then it will stop underage drinking - if she is stupid enough to drink then she can get a friend or family member to buy it.

  • lindaawhelan - 2012-02-06 14:40

    I agree that pregnant women should not drink but this is an impossible law to enforce. Are women going to have to provide urine samples before they can purchase alcohol?

  • Omrisho - 2012-02-06 14:40

    so what... oldest trick in the book... get my non-pregnant "friend" to buy it for me while i wait in the car

      Develyn33 - 2012-06-28 10:15

      Omrisho you can probably accompany your friend into the shop as long as she pays :)

  • MastersVoice - 2012-02-06 14:41

    I agree with the proposed law! The husband / partner should be buying the booze, so that the pregnant lady doesn't have to carry heavy bags. Seriously though; this is typical of the ANC-led regime! It seems they should be proposing a law that states no liquor to be sold to ANC politicians, because it renders them stupid!

      Jason - 2012-02-06 15:04

      In most bottle stores I go to, they carry the Heavy bags to your car anyways!!

      Brendon - 2012-02-06 15:33

      Heavy bags...here is your sign...wear it with pride.

      skootzie - 2012-02-06 16:18

      And if, as per my analogy above, the husband is on route from a business trip and is 30,000ft in the air and his preggy wife wants to surprise him with his favourite wine, what then?

  • francoisengelbrecht1 - 2012-02-06 14:44

    Don't see how they will be able to enforce this. The worst time for a pregnant woman to drink alcohol is in the first trimester (increased risk for the physical symptoms of fetal alcohol syndrome (FAS)). However, during the first trimester most pregnant women aren't visibly pregnant yet.

  • Lorenzo - 2012-02-06 14:45

    GOOD!!!!!!! Although what about those women who just have beer belly’s? :p That’s going to be awkward!

      Develyn33 - 2012-06-28 10:17

      Yeah - maybe next they will ban the sale of beer to fat people because everyone knows that being fat is bad for you!

  • Marion - 2012-02-06 14:47

    You cannot legislate responsible parenting. Anyone without concern for the baby could buy the booze and then they can just get vrot together. As a fat broad the only thing that could prevent them from accusing me of being pregnant is my obvious age. If the mother is considered to be the only one with any say over her body when it comes to abortion, surely she is the only one who can have any say over her body when it comes to pregnancy and alcohol? Not that I agree that the father shouldn't have any say, just that is what the statute books say. Any law that is unenforceable is no law at all.

      John - 2012-02-06 17:30

      BRENDON !!! You missing Marion Here. Give her a sign please.

  • kerrimg - 2012-02-06 14:54

    how about with cigarettes as well. its is not going to stop a husband or boyfriend to by and what she drinks at home

      John - 2012-02-06 17:56

      Well...another good point. I've got on the list here: 1. Cannot use cellphone (bobophone might harm you baby) 2. Cannot buy alcohol (ask someone else to buy for you) 3. Cannot go to cinema (no suitable seats) 4. Cannot eat ice cream (might be too cold for her) 5. Cannot buy pencil (might swallow) 6. Cannot buy supaa-glue (might inhale fumes) 7. Cannot rest in camping equipment in Sportman's Warehouse 123237. Cannot buy cigaretes (Ask Mpho Rampisa at the door for assitance) Lets sort out those "pregnant woman" once and forever. How many idiots think that prohibiting purchase in the store will stop diseases? Drugs are not permited, but still accessible. What are we creating here? a Black market for "Pregnant Only"?

  • Makatikamusona - 2012-02-06 14:56

    Seller “Are you pregnant or you just happen to have a bigger stomach” Buyer “Noh is just the stomach caused by too much drinking” Seller “I never heard anyone getting a bigger stomach from drinking, so do you mind taking a pregnancy test before I sell you some alcohol. I want to see if you are not like 2 weeks to 1 month pregnant”

  • Zion - 2012-02-06 14:56

    This is an insult to women and despicable. I believe pregnant women have just the same rights to enter a bottle store than any other person has. Does the fact that she may be pregnant make her a lesser woman with a lesser sense of responsibility. Utterly disgusting and childish(no pun)

  • Frik - 2012-02-06 14:56

    Time for a few woman to get rid of their bellies......

  • Makatikamusona - 2012-02-06 14:59

    champagne? I bet they can get that on at Shoprite. Rather arrest the one drinking than the one buying, what if she is buying her husband who is busy doing some woodwork so that he can stay home instead of finding an excuse to go buy 1 or 2

  • Linda - 2012-02-06 14:59

    Maybe they should also make a law that all pregnant woman wear T-shirts saying “I am not fat I am pregnant”

      Develyn33 - 2012-06-28 10:19

      :) or the other way round - I am not pregnant I am fat!

  • Andrew - 2012-02-06 15:02

    Another law with good intenions which is not possible to enforce, will every female over 18 years have to produce a pregnacy test certificate from a a medical doctor stating she is not pregnant.

      skootzie - 2012-02-06 16:21

      A certificate which would have to be applied for quite frequently I suspect O.o

  • Nosiphom - 2012-02-06 15:03

    Nanny state mentality. You cannot legingislate responsibility, you need to educate the people more. They also tell us we cannot spank children in our own houses, how they will police this still needs to be seen. This is a waste of taxpayer's money, legislators having nothing to do.

  • TenRas1 - 2012-02-06 15:05

    Lets just have one that prohibit woman from buying alcohol...Period!

  • Zion - 2012-02-06 15:08

    So who is going to fetch your drappie when you are at work. Cannot send your teenage daughter because unbeknown to you she may be pregnant too. Could use the gardener but you may end up with zilch. Ask your neighbours wife to pop in at the bottle store and fetch you gin and tonic but first gawk to see if she is preggies too. If that comes to pass invite them over for a drap on the house.

  • Debbie - 2012-02-06 15:08

    Biggest load of garbage I have ever heard!!! What about pregnant women and cigarets? This law won't stop pregnant women from drinking, like underage smokers, they will get some one else to buy the booze!!! I'd love to know how they going to monitor it though :) Some women don't show until 6 months!!!

  • Shirley - 2012-02-06 15:09

    This law should be nation wide! In the Western Cape the ammount of pregnant woman who are fall down drunk over weekends is shocking!

      MastersVoice - 2012-02-06 15:12

      The best comment yet!

      Shirley - 2012-02-06 15:42

      To all those outraged by my comment,I see the effects daily on woman in the Western Cape who drink,dont work,live off grants and continue to bring babies into the world with SERIOUS A.F.S problems. As there children grow older they drop out of school because they cant keep up,end up on drugs and start the whole cycle over again! You would not be so quick to be against this bill if you see the affects this has on these poor children. Its heartbreaking!

      Ina - 2012-02-07 09:11

      If this law could be enforced it would be wonderful, but come on, lets get real here, it most decidedly cannot be enforced or monitored, until a woman is way gone in her pregnancy,and by that time, the damage had been done. No it is really not feasible, quite laughable in fact, if the comments are anything to go by. As someone else suggested, stop all woman from buying alcohol, and then there will really be an uproar, mostly from the menfolk who sends wify to do the shopping for the braai!

  • John - 2012-02-06 15:12

    Pop down to your local for a pregnancy test.... Are we now going to post cops outside of bottle stores to enforce the law. Where do they get off.......

  • Les - 2012-02-06 15:16

    ...and obviously overweight people will not be allowed to buy products containing fat or order malva pudding in a restaurant, and people with a cough will not be allowed to buy cigarettes, and people with bad breath will be forced to buy breath-freshener and toothpaste... BTW, does anybody remember when we stopping signing a liquor-store register for buying more than a case of beer...?

      rickey.de.clercq - 2012-02-07 12:53

      The difference is, all of the above are responsible for the own well being... pregnant woman are responsible for their babies... so if your breath stinks, fine... it is your sole issue to deal with... but get drunk and your pregant, you are deliberately putting your childs life in danger...

  • Chris - 2012-02-06 15:16

    instead of stuffing around with nonesense like this, which will in any case go against the constitution and will be completely unenforceable, why don't they get off of their collective lazy backsides and fix the traffic lights for example. if they only do that this year, they will have achieved something at least.

  • Matshidiso - 2012-02-06 15:18

    In the first few weeks it is mostly impssible to see if a woman is pragnant until at leat 3 months of which the first few weeks is where the damage happens. How are they gonna see if the woman is pragnant?

      Nosiphom - 2012-02-06 15:30

      So no more booze unless you produce a certificate that you are not pregnant, sorry. Altenatively the liquor stores will be required to have facilities where they will conduct pregnancy tests.

  • rickey.de.clercq - 2012-02-06 15:19

    Seriously, I actually don't get you lot.... Yes, it will cause a lot of uncomfortable situations with bigger ladies... and people will always find a way to get around the law.. but everybody sits and moans all day long how the government does nothing, and when they do something, you moan AGAIN! And instead of worrying about hurting people's feelings, why don't you think of the few kids who will be saved BECAUSE of this law. By bringing in constitutional rights and stuff like that, you open the door to saying that a 14 year old can go buy booze because it hurts their feelings when they are told NO. A mother drinking (excessively or occasionally) is putting their child's life at risk. And all you lot are concerned about is hurting's a woman's feelings. Get over yourselves...

      Shirley - 2012-02-06 15:46

      Thank you! Someone with sense! Yes there will be problems and hiccups but the benifits will FAR outweigh them. These children are a massive financial burden on the economy and the problem is they grow up and repeat the whole cycle-causing more and more people reliant on grants!

      Debbie - 2012-02-06 16:21

      I don't think this law will change anything, these women that are drinking to the extent mentioned by Shirley will find a way to get booze and continue to drink with serious effects on the poor children. However, if it does work and prevents a handful of women bringing AFS children into the world, then great. Rome wasn't built in a day and we can't expect this law to work over night. But I think they are going to have problems making it work, for years the government has been throwing our "human rights" at us and sadly these women that are drinking while pregnant are mostly poorly educated, but ask my kids what they remember most and they will say "I have rights" These women are going to turn around and say they have a right to do as they please. They don't see the unborn baby as a human being but as an inconveniece they have to carry for 9 months. The governemt needs to spend money on educating the poor first, teaching them about birth control etc. Showing them the sad effects their drinking is having. And I seriously think women that continually have kids, drink, smoke, don't work and couldn't give a s&%#t about their kids, should be sterilised by law.

      skootzie - 2012-02-06 16:31

      I see no benefits from this. How will this prevent pregnant women from drinking? It won't. The husband/boyfriend or girlfriend will simply pop into the store and buy her what she wants. In addition, what if the wife is out shopping (I've seen plenty of pregnant women shopping alone so don't come with that "man should be with her" BS) and wants to buy her husband something nice? OR if it's his birthday and she wants to buy him his favourite bottle of Mr Walkers? She can't. I get what you are saying, really I do but this law will not achieve the desired result. It will produce more harm than good. rickey.de.clercq: I don't give a fig about the woman's feelings, I'm looking at it from a logical perspective. Not all pregnant women that buy alcohol are buying it for themselves, yet you seem to think they are. How very insulting for all the wonderful mothers-to-be that are very concerned for their unborn child and would never drink but would still like the FREEDOM to purchase alcohol (for whatever reason).

      Matshidiso - 2012-02-06 16:33

      We certainly hope the GOV will have a way to stop pragnant mothers from taking alcohol. Early pragnancy can only be proven by confession or doctors test, now imagin peeing first to prove that you are not praggies before downing your drink.

      rickey.de.clercq - 2012-02-07 09:08

      I agree, what I am saying is that in my opinion, at least the government is trying... Like Shirley said, it will take a lot of time time to implement, byut the building blocks will be there... once you have seen a baby that has AFS, you would understand why I say this is such a good idea... its not about the process, not about the people, but about saving lives.

  • heinz.neethling - 2012-02-06 15:20

    Moronic. So pregnant woman can't do shopping for a Friday night's braai now? Just because she's buying, doesn't mean she's drinking. Only an idiot could have thought this law was a good idea.

  • malcolm.dale - 2012-02-06 15:25

    If I read the article correctly the implication in terms of BBBEE is that if you do not have a partner or partners from previously disadvantaged groups you will be denied a liquor licence? Has anyone any idea what the implications are for a single owner - white- who is practically a 1 person business?

      Matshidiso - 2012-02-06 16:50

      There are already liquor licence owners in the townships who are also single licence holder, they certainly be afectec by BBBEE clause.

  • Kusleg - 2012-02-06 15:26

    Those in the liquor business may as well start counting loses.

  • Philisiwe Msomi - 2012-02-06 15:27

    what happens if a shop refuses to sell me alcohol because they think Im pregnant,who should I sue gvt or da shop...this s silly!!

  • Karena - 2012-02-06 15:31

    THIS IS GREAT FINALLY THE GOVERNMENT DOSE SOMETHING RIGHT! To all those "mom"s who think its okay to drink smoke take drugs when pregnant you are absolute fools- when you pregnant the only person who matters is the one you carrying !!!!!!!!!!!! as for Bad muse Rather get shot down that you a little heavy than a pregnant woman slowly killing her unborn child! WELL-DONE SA

      Shirley - 2012-02-06 15:46

      Amen!

      Nosiphom - 2012-02-06 16:18

      Are you implying that people are so stupid that they need a law baring them from buying alcohol to make them stop drinking during pregnancy? Should the focus not be on educating the people rather than legislating everything!

      Shirley - 2012-02-06 16:36

      Actually some of them ARE!

  • Karla Soares - 2012-02-06 15:34

    Its about time legislation like this is in place. Pregnant women drinking alcohol makes me sick to my stomach!

      Nosiphom - 2012-02-06 16:19

      Men drinking and driving makes us all sick, but they still do it even though its illegal!!

  • Eeny Meeny Miney Mo - 2012-02-06 15:36

    This is so stupid! In most households the women do the shopping. A pregnant woman buying alcohol in no way implies that it's for her personal use. And what about overweight women who may be mistaken for being pregnant? I suggest traders provide their staff with conflict resolution training.

  • Aston - 2012-02-06 15:37

    Both sides of people's comments are valid. However, in my view it looks a little too complicated to implement. I say, increase liquor prices, ban liquir advertising and cut down the number of hours a bottle store can remain open.

  • aardvarkie - 2012-02-06 15:39

    How's that going to make any difference - "Hey hubby - go get us some wine!" - what a stupid law to pass.

  • Lana - 2012-02-06 15:50

    what if the pregnant fairy just decides to buy hubby a couple of beers so he can get off her hormonal case?

  • E=MC2 - 2012-02-06 16:06

    i agree with the reasoning behind it but good luck trying to enforce it!

  • Rudolph - 2012-02-06 16:15

    "Liquor surprise for a lot of women - pregnancy" "don't skrop when on dop".

  • Thokozane - 2012-02-06 16:16

    "According to section 53(1) of the draft legislation, a licensed liquor trader would not be allowed to sell, supply or give alcohol to minors, anyone wearing a school uniform, anyone who "reasonably appears to be intoxicated", or pregnant women." This will be interesting.

  • MadMorgs - 2012-02-06 16:18

    T think its a good thing.. not all people abuse alcohol whilst being pregnant... but the ones that do, hate the outcome of a deformed child and probably couldnt care less about the child. Question is, what happens if a pregnant lady has been asked to by drinks for family, friends or even parties?!

  • Andrea - 2012-02-06 16:28

    What is to stop women going into a pharmacy and asking for and buying alcohol?

  • weldon.broughton - 2012-02-06 16:34

    And while they at it stop liquor sales after 5 in week and after 12 on Saturdays

      Shirley - 2012-02-06 16:36

      That wont help!

      Develyn33 - 2012-06-28 10:27

      Why? What possible difference will it make?

  • Rosie - 2012-02-06 17:00

    I do not know how will they control this. When friends get together one buy the drinks and the pregnant person wait at home and get drunk at home. I would be cautious of my own Health when i am pregnant and not a Goverment to "babysitting" me. Myabe the Goverment want Geniuses to be born for the next generation. WOMEN WE ARE VERY IMPORTANT!!!!!! SO KNOW GOVERMENT MUST PUT A TRIPPLE PUNISHMENT ON MAN WHO ABUSE WOMAN!!!

  • HendrikAfrika - 2012-02-06 17:11

    The strictor the alcohol laws the better. Better even increase the tax on alcohol by 100% or more.

      Gerhard - 2012-02-06 17:13

      Are you one of those bitter ex-drinkers?

      rickey.de.clercq - 2012-02-07 09:12

      I agree! Nothing wrong with a drink at its time... but I am convinced the alcohol kills more people than we think...

  • Kim - 2012-02-06 17:17

    Guess bottles stores will be selling pregnancy tests now

  • Frank - 2012-02-06 18:27

    Please pass me another beer, Aunty.

  • marina.poniatowska - 2012-02-06 19:37

    What? They are worried about crap like this, and not about the state of the country? If you want to drink during your pregnancy, it's up to the mother! Surely this is against the constitution?

  • SeeVeeDeeEl - 2012-02-06 20:49

    A totally stupid (African) government at work (again).

  • Cathrynne - 2012-02-06 22:25

    The attack on a pregnant woman's right to do the household shopping is ridiculous enough...but in a country where there is huge unemployment and a lack of entrepreneurs, the legislation that prevents an individual or group of people getting a liquor licence unless they are of the right colour is financial genocide of the country's minority and damaging the country's economic growth and chasing more of us out of here! The attack on the rights of pregnant women is just a decoy! Some of this country's citizens are refused employment due to affirmative action - and when they try to start businesses in order to pay their bills, they get slapped with BEE and BBBEE - it is ALL TOO RIDICULOUS! BOTH these aspects of this bill ((a)the limitations of women's rights AND (b) the limitations placed on 'wrong-ethnicity entrepreneurs') ought to be challenged... I really liked someone else's description: 'nanny state on steroids' - very funny if it weren't so annoyingly real...why don't they go and deal with something important like CRIME and CORRUPTION?

  • Lee-Anne - 2012-02-07 10:19

    Please tell me wat the hell does Black Economic Empowerment have to do with selling liquor to pregnant woman and underage kids???? Im sick and tired of the frikken Race Issue being brought up for everything in this Country!!! For crying out loud ppl GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!