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'Dead miners will turn against us'

2012-09-10 14:35

Rustenburg - A large group of striking mineworkers braved the scorching Rustenburg sun to protest at the entrance to Lonmin's Eastern Platinum mine on Monday.

They arrived there in a winding procession from the Wonderkop area, near Marikana.

Four police Nyalas barricaded the entrance and the strikers stood opposite them, singing and dancing. Leaders of the protesters entered the mine premises with police officers.

The workers sang: "Thina silwela amalungelo wethu... [We are fighting for our rights]."

‘Operations must be halted’ 


Earlier, a leader of the protesters, Anele Nogwanya said they would go to different mining shafts in the area to demand the closure of all operations.

"Mining activities at the Eastern Platinum mine have to be halted as the workers there are underpaid," he said.

"We have now buried all our fallen colleagues. Now is the time to honour our promise to them of getting the R12 500," he said.

"If we go back to work without getting R12 500, our deceased colleagues will turn against us."

Nogwanya said that after halting operations, the protesters would demand that non-striking workers at the hostels join them.

Police stopped the protesters on their way to the mine, but after negotiations, allowed them to proceed. Some of the workers waved knobkerries, arrows, pangas and sjamboks.

Representatives of the workers told the police they wanted access to the mine to close down operations there.

Peace deal

On August 16, police fired on a group of protesting workers killing 34 of them and wounding 78. Another 10 people were killed the preceding week, including two policemen and two security guards.

Lonmin said staff attendance was at 6.34% on Monday, ahead of wage talks.

One of the conditions of a peace deal signed on Thursday was that the workforce return on Monday.

"Attendance today is 6.34%," said spokesperson Sue Vey, after a slow start of just over 2% earlier.

Only one shift - the 07:00 - was running across the 11 shafts of the Marikana complex, which includes Eastern Platinum Ltd and Western Platinum Ltd.

The company, which is considered one of the world's largest producers of platinum group metals, loses about 2 500 platinum ounces per day of no production.

Work stopped at the mine on August 10.

Comments
  • customdesign - 2012-09-10 14:44

    I'd be more worried about the dead bunny if I was them...

      chaplinncharlie - 2012-09-10 15:10

      Eish but they are Stupid...

      rajen.chetty.3 - 2012-09-10 15:21

      Ps. Lonmin produces 52500 ouches of platinium per month @ $1600 per ounch, this equates to R672 million in revenue per month. To pay 28000 Lonmin miners R12500 per month equates to R350 million per month. So can anyone tell me what is wrong with the miners claim for this monthly salary amount to paid to people whose lives are at risk with constant rock falls in the mines and the dangers they face. Lonmin after R222 million for operating expenses still makes at least R100 million per month.

      derekneilmaclachlan - 2012-09-10 15:30

      @ Gee wizz....thats turnover not profit.....go and do some basic economics 101 before posting crap like that!!!

      Squeegee - 2012-09-10 15:35

      GeeWizz, let me write this slowly so that you can read it. If they give in to the miner's demands every industry, government department, police, etc. will go on strike and not negotiate for anything less than 300%. This will cripple the economy....

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-10 15:40

      GeeWizz ~ Do you know what shares are? Based on your theory we'll soon have ever person in SA wanting a job at the most profitable business there is. Shake your brain into action or are you just plain stupid? It's basic Economics 101 for heaven's sake.

      clint.thorpe - 2012-09-10 15:41

      @GeeWizz You must be an ANCYL member...Your statement is so stupid it could only come from the YL. Do you honestly believe this mine's only expense is the salaries of these miners?

      christiaan.vanvuuren.9 - 2012-09-10 15:46

      Geewizz are you that blunt? What about the other employees? What about the people who studied for 4year degrees? Are you seriously considering that miners without any education are worth more than these other parties? Really I cannot comprehend the way you think.

      susan.paul.330 - 2012-09-10 15:46

      This is hilarious, do you think the dead will bring you food as well...

      ken.grimblegrumble - 2012-09-10 15:48

      @GeeWizz If the miners bought their own spades and very long ropes to go down the mine (sorry I forgot candles and lots of water) then I suppose you have a point. The real facts are that there is a lot debt that has to be serviced and capital equipment that must be bought and maintained. You don't dig a hole in the ground and dig anywhere and everywhere. Engineering companies and geologists work together to find the very best streams where the mineral can be extracted at a profit. If there is no profit then it's back to the long ropes, spades and candles. Yes all businesses must make a profit otherwise no-one would invest. Maybe SA should give your idea a go. Grant some free ground to the masses and let them start digging, hell they may even strike gold

      marius.olivier.7 - 2012-09-10 15:49

      GeeWiz. Either you can't read or your maths are even worse than Malema's. It is only 2500 ounces not 52500, which means that you are only talking about a R32 mil turnover, which already leaves a shortfall of over R200 mil on just the wage bill that they are demanding, before deducting any other running expenses

      scheepers - 2012-09-10 15:50

      @Geewizz Unfortunately business is just not that simple. Just like the idiotic miners you are not thinking of the R2.9 billion debt or all the other operating expenses. You need to process between 10 and 25 tonnes of mined ore to produce a single ounce of platinum. Take that into account and you and those idiots will realise that it is not that easy to bump up 28000 peoples salaries, there are one or two other things to think about. So stop making calculations on you cellphone and leave the math to the smart people.

      grant.callaway.50 - 2012-09-10 16:03

      @GeeWhizz - and everybody else: Investors take big risks in order to get these big rewards. Lonmin is a successfully operating mine - but what about all the investments LOST in mines that never come to fruition!? I'm currently working for a company that has already spent about R250MILLION on research and exploration before a mine has even been built!! All that needs to happen is to discover that there is less gold in the ground, or the substrate is harder, or the local government to neutralise a mining licence, or the gold price to fall... any one of those, and the R250million spent goes down the toilet. And what's more - only 1 in 10 exploration companies ever successfully become mines. That means its possible to lose R2.5 BILLION before finding a profitable mine! Do the workers want to chip in for all those losses?? Just wondering...

      rajen.chetty.3 - 2012-09-10 16:21

      @ all you idiots that have given me the thumbs down, go and f..k yourselves. The mone produces 2500 ounches PER DAY @ R14k per ounch x 21 working days will give you R672 million in revenue per month. IT IS NOT YOUR LIVES ON THE LINE HERE FOR WORKING UNDERGROUND, WHY SHOULD THE INVESTORS SIT FAT?

      grant.callaway.50 - 2012-09-10 16:43

      @GeeWhizz - if you actualy read the post directly above your last one, you'd know why the investors should sit fat! Considering the financial risks involved in investing in any mine, if there was no potential MAJOR upswing, people would invest in less risky options. If people dont invest in the mine, the mine never comes to be. If the mine never comes to be, these idiots would all be starving. If, however, these idiots did NOT starve, it would be because there are other options available to them, which would just so happen to be the same options available right now. Now, that stream is not yet a river - please continue crying...

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-10 16:51

      @GeeWizz ~ Your comments are just plain stupid boy. Stupid and then you have the cheek to tell everyone who gave you a thumbs down to f themselves. Better still, why don't you learn something about economics and improve your level of intelligence?

      lacrimosewolf - 2012-09-10 19:08

      I think GeeWizz is confusing ounces with seashells

      pieter.calitz - 2012-09-10 19:45

      @GeeWizz. Ok, I will tell you. They made a loss of $7 million last year. http://annualreport2011.aquariusplatinum.com/marikana.html

      andile.vabasa - 2012-09-10 22:28

      @GeeWizz, I think everyone can give you a round of applause, clap clap clap. Well done man well done you successfully multiplied the amount of ounces they mine by the platinum prices and deducted most of the basic staffs salaries. Now where are you going with this. Please don't tell me you tried to calculate the entire companies expensiveness and with that one variable? You did? Shame man you should go to school again, what? you never did... Oooooh Nvm then. Guys lets just leave it at that the argument will not progress any further. But this is exactly why some earn more than others... (Brain capacity)

  • graememole - 2012-09-10 14:45

    tick, tick, tick.. whens this time bomb gonna explode again :(

      Pixi3kid - 2012-09-10 16:23

      Do these miners not get the fact, that if they dont go back to work they wont be getting ANYTHING? do they know and understand how much is lost every single day that production is halted? Do they get the fact that if the mine looses too much they wont have a job to come back to and then they wont even have that R4000.00!FIRE THE LOT AND GET PPL THAT WILL BE GRATEFUL FOR A JOB!

  • Sonnyjakes - 2012-09-10 14:46

    Eish, who told them that? Tokoloshe?

      mark.singh.9889 - 2012-09-10 14:52

      I belive it was Rumpelstiltskin

  • lionel.defrontignac - 2012-09-10 14:46

    Close the mine down and sell it to the Chinese.

      juan.prinsloo.750 - 2012-09-10 15:37

      Last time the Chinese had a riot it was at Tianmen square, and look what happened. Can't wait for the comrades to pull this stunt on the Chinese, would make 16th August look like a picnic

      clint.thorpe - 2012-09-10 15:42

      I agree...lets see how favourable working conditions are for them once the Chinese are running things!

  • lorain.maseko - 2012-09-10 14:46

    All I want to know is, How did they get to that figure 12 500? This whole thing smells like Malema,he wants to make the situation so bad in SA the zuma wont hae a choice but to step down and when that happens he is back in the swing of things.

  • DJPotifar - 2012-09-10 14:46

    They now have the Police by the short and curlies. The Police will be more forthcoming regarding their movement and demands. This will not end soon. It's like the time the Kwa-Zulu Natal government commanded their Metro officers not to fine taxi drivers.

      Squeegee - 2012-09-10 17:17

      Don't worry, I'm sure they will equip the police with rubber batons and soft plastic machetes... oh, and water pistols.

  • Hemlock - 2012-09-10 14:47

    Oh for crying in a bucket.....!!!!

      boltonbarry - 2012-09-10 22:26

      You cant...They stole the bucket

  • loo.steyn - 2012-09-10 14:47

    OMF ???? seriously ??????? Were screwed

  • tony.naidoo - 2012-09-10 14:49

    and the rabbit makes a return!

  • marc.rule - 2012-09-10 14:49

    what a load of BS.

  • TheyTookMyNickLaZynEko - 2012-09-10 14:53

    someone needs to make clear to these people how incredibly stupid they are without offending them lol.

      maree.cassie - 2012-09-10 15:30

      The only way to get out of this is to educate! These people have to be taken out of their idiotic way of thinking and brought into the real world!

      Erna - 2012-09-10 15:48

      We can always ask zuma to speak to them - he's been uttering some boobers lately.

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-10 16:08

      Right Erna! Like the 'service delivery' boober.eish eish

  • stampalex - 2012-09-10 14:53

    Protesting for rights? What rights? You already have too many rights. Oh, R12,500 is now a right is it? I swear I cannot even begin to comprehend the moronic logic behind all of this... It takes one militant a$$hole to mouth off and these sheep go happily forward (to the slaughter as it were). They will end up forcing Lonmin to close and Malema will ride in on his... err... white (?) horse, dragging the ANC behind him as they 'save' the mine by nationalising it... That's the agenda. It's not for the workers. These guys are being manipulated (Sheep that they are).

      ken.grimblegrumble - 2012-09-10 15:58

      You must realise that these people have NO (takes 2 weeks to train a rock driller, should take 10 minutes) knowledge. They live in a world that has gone thousands of years ago. Casting dispersions on the miners will do no good. The Sangoma is all the majority understand. As an adult you should realise that you are dealing with seriously demented people.

  • bullardx - 2012-09-10 14:54

    lol...you guys cant be serious. Life will turn against you for not confortin yourself with a salary thats better than nothin.. Get real guys, Shut down mines... then wer you gonna earn income??? Your arrogancy will make you suffer as much as you are already, considerin dat yal ddnt get a penny from last month:p

  • terrylee.heuer - 2012-09-10 14:56

    Nevermind the dead miners the 10 innocent people you murdered are going to haunt you!!!

      sonia.bloem - 2012-09-10 15:17

      Agree!!!!

  • peter.kreuger.7 - 2012-09-10 14:57

    The rise of the Tokoloshe miners.

      larry.piggott1 - 2012-09-10 15:24

      There be Dragons.. Burn the Witches and Stone the Crows… oh and eat the Rabbit.

  • peter.jefferies.90 - 2012-09-10 14:58

    Why have they not fired these miners yet???? Just get rid of them.

      dezzeyd - 2012-09-10 15:27

      I agree fire the miners that don't want to work and employ people that want to work and earn an income. All people are working so that they can at least have food on the table.

      christiaan.vanvuuren.9 - 2012-09-10 15:35

      The situation is more complicated than that. Seeing that fired miners will threaten those who replace them as soon as they start. This is a very delicate situation and alot more lives would be lost, in my opinion, when miners are fired since theyll have no reason to restrain from violence.

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-10 16:10

      blerrie apartheid to blame again! eish

  • sisie.indola - 2012-09-10 14:59

    ONG these morons are unbelievable.

  • jacques.shepperson - 2012-09-10 14:59

    I am amost getting the feeling there is more to this than what meets the eye...

  • shirley.steenkamp - 2012-09-10 15:01

    I wonder if their dead friends mind the thefact that families will go hungry-or is there a bunny for that too??????

  • jaysonpaul.beckwith - 2012-09-10 15:03

    Run for the hills little bunnies,,run for the hills. Just stay away from Wonderkop.

  • Provence - 2012-09-10 15:03

    Yes, and The Tokolosh will get you in the bed tonight. RESPONSIBILITY RESPONSIBILITY AND 10000000 times more NO RESPONSIBILITY.

  • peter.fraser.92754 - 2012-09-10 15:05

    Vlok man....is dit 2012 ?

  • sonia.bloem - 2012-09-10 15:07

    This is madness.... Sad!

  • Joubs1957 - 2012-09-10 15:12

    Bunch of neanderthals!Like the prez.= Totally out of touch with reality!!

  • Bigrp - 2012-09-10 15:13

    ...and we allow them to vote!

  • shelley.vorster.9 - 2012-09-10 15:17

    why interfere with those who are still prepared to work? at least they ARE thinkingof the future....

  • charmaine.rowlands - 2012-09-10 15:19

    God help us!!

  • larry.piggott1 - 2012-09-10 15:21

    Dont forget the Rabbit? It can give you a nasty haunting.

  • michael.rampatla - 2012-09-10 15:24

    Miners need to stay away until their demand are met. How long will the black people are going to be exploited by capitalists

      lorain.maseko - 2012-09-10 15:28

      Michael are you sane at all? Why dont you stay away from your workplace until they give you 200k a month? You dont just come up with a figure that sounds good to you then just demand that you have it.

      michael.rampatla - 2012-09-10 15:34

      The unioun failed to represent the miners until they miners decided to turn tools themselves. It sound like a capitalists that exploit the desperate poor for your personal wealth accumulation

      derekneilmaclachlan - 2012-09-10 15:35

      You are a moron Micheal.....I wish Lonmim would close down....or better still sell to the Chinese....they wont take this sort of crap from a bunch of ignorant workers....

      Watkykj - 2012-09-10 15:39

      Will u stop trolling. U not funny. U actually quite sad with ur \All white people use black people\ take ur attention seeking someone else. It's not wanted here!

      ntsunyane.frederick - 2012-09-10 15:41

      hoping you give them some income.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-10 15:44

      @Michael ~ Aren't you embarrassed by your stupidity? Ooops I forgot! Too stupid to know that you're stupid.

      corrie.botha.7 - 2012-09-10 15:59

      m why dont u try to think for urself what u just said is being repeated over and over all u did was copying it to sound uhmm wise to the uneducated...and may those miners get back at all the people that told them to strike be afraid whahaha idi.ts may ur night be blessed with tokolos...gullable ppl like u is actualy sad but hel im cracking myself ..

  • daniel.v.wyk - 2012-09-10 15:24

    Skeer ek my HOL!!!!! Hahahaha

  • Marikexox - 2012-09-10 15:28

    If I didn't know better, I would have really thought it's April Fool today!!!!!

  • betsy.fulton.5 - 2012-09-10 15:29

    Seriously?

  • ashleigh.moller.7 - 2012-09-10 15:33

    Lol! Wow, wonder why rapists and murderers dont have the same thought before they do the deed! I cannot believe how stupid people \think\ they are able to try convince people that this is their stupid reason! If they gonna die of anything, its probably gonna be from starvation from losing their jobs!

  • frans.vanderpoll - 2012-09-10 15:34

    Superstitious fools! Let's look at some of the stuff these people believe in: Sangoma, inyanga,tokolosh,dead miners,Zuma and Malema! No wonder our education system rate 140 out of 144.

  • peter.vanrensburg.5 - 2012-09-10 15:35

    sooooo let's see......the sangoma told them that crap...and who told the sangoma to say that??....i'm smelling a rabbit...err, sorry a rat!

  • Michael - 2012-09-10 15:40

    The stupidity continues unabated.

  • elizabethann.auld - 2012-09-10 15:41

    I must be one of the most grossly underpaid peope in SA. I am a Bookkeeper - I earned R8500.00 when I worked full time - I now get half that as I worl 1/2 days. No increases no unnion demands jsu thatnk God I have something!

  • JuditVictor - 2012-09-10 15:44

    Well this is the symptom of from a country like ours which is 140th out of 144 countries when it comes to maths and science.

  • Erna - 2012-09-10 15:46

    I suppose if you believe muti and a live rabbit will keep you safe, then having dead colleagues turn against you sounds quite sane!

  • mpho.leballo.1 - 2012-09-10 15:47

    though neh, i listened to jayzee singing what have we done it was so sombre that iknew then that a black soul is at risk

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-10 15:58

      WTF?

  • frank.desousa.10 - 2012-09-10 15:47

    U zombies r spending 2much time in the sun. Get back in ur hole

  • godfrey.chauke2 - 2012-09-10 15:48

    striking miners are wright if they don't go back to work before they get what they want. They are practicing their democratic wrights.

      Watkykj - 2012-09-10 15:49

      Lol. Ok sparky!

      christiaan.vanvuuren.9 - 2012-09-10 15:53

      Well obviously they should accept it if they get replaced since it is the people who want to work's democratic right to work but that wont happen will it?

      eposius.fulious - 2012-09-10 15:54

      O Godfrey... You make so much wense with your words. You are in fact, very very wright,

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-10 16:01

      What's 'wrights'? Do you have a dictionary? The only 'rights' those miners have is to resign and find another job. What they're doing is illegal and morally wrong. I pray with all my heart that if Lonmin doesn't fire them, that they close the mine down. Finished and klaar. This is the 21st century and these thugs have no 'wright' whatsoever to hold their employers to ransom. If they don't like the terms of their employment, then they're free to push off and find another job.

  • jason.marriott.75 - 2012-09-10 15:49

    They making an emotional decision. Easy to make judgments from a distance. Also those with other agenda's are fueling the fire!

  • nikondaniel - 2012-09-10 15:51

    "The return of the Cavemen"

  • Sammy Willow - 2012-09-10 15:52

    these are the same sangomas who tell them to sleep with virgins to cure HIV, leading to the rape of 8 month old babies, are you people living in la la land

  • Eric Mdudus Shaku - 2012-09-10 15:53

    I didnt know the dead have the connection with the living one!

      thapelo.teleki - 2012-09-10 15:55

      now you know

  • dolphindunes.guesthouse - 2012-09-10 15:55

    GeeWizz says: GeeWizz - September 10, 2012 at 15:21 Report commentComments Policy Ps. Lonmin produces 52500 ouches of platinium per month @ $1600 per ounch, this equates to R672 million in revenue per month. To pay 28000 Lonmin miners R12500 per month equates to R350 million per month. So can anyone tell me what is wrong with the miners claim for this monthly salary amount to paid to people whose lives are at risk with constant rock falls in the mines and the dangers they face. Lonmin after R222 million for operating expenses still makes at least R100 million per month. You are as stupid as these miners. They produce 2,500 ounces per day. In order to extract a single ounce of platinum, about 10 tons of ore need to be mined.That is a lost of ore per day, you do the maths, you seem to need it. After that, the refining process takes a full five months, more expense. To make a single small ring of approximately 3 grams requires approximately 1 ton of raw ore. Now pray tell, what do you think the machinery, maintenance of these, chemicals, other staff etc etc that you need to run a business cost? If Lonmin makes a 15% profit, I'd be suprised.

      lacrimosewolf - 2012-09-10 19:13

      LonMin was running at a slight loss before this fiasco. Not to mention the declining demand for Platinum as the world recession tightens and the perfect storm looms. Don't bother trying to present any facts. People made up their minds a long time ago and there is no room for facts or reality. So I say let them have the mine and see how well they do.

  • manie.vanwyk.12 - 2012-09-10 15:56

    JUST TO ASK A ?? MALEMA HOW MUCH DO YOU PAY YOUR GARDEN& TEE GIRL ??????

  • Matthew - 2012-09-10 16:01

    Who would've thought that being a Moron was so infectious. My word. They dont learn. Sure,protest for better pay.But think before you act like a savage. think about how you go about protesting, instead of resorting to violence so easily. you only otherwise put your comrades death to vain and have learnt NOTHING. but if these words go in the one ear and just out the other,then sure carry on. Cripple the economy. then see the pile of cr@p not just you okes,but the whole country will be in.

  • julian.pybus - 2012-09-10 16:02

    Boo and all....................SPOOOOKY