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Madonsela slams Western Cape deal

2012-05-13 10:49

Cape Town - Public Protector Thuli Madonsela has found the Western Cape government's multimillion-rand communications contract to be "invalid", City Press reported on Sunday.

In her preliminary report, Madonsela said the provincial government should "immediately terminate the further execution" of its contract with TBWA Hunt Lascaris.

The contract, signed in 2010, is capped at R70m a year for two years for "ongoing costs".

It also provides R1.5m for "once-off deliverables".

City Press said the report could still be changed by Madonsela.

Zille's department told the weekly Madonsela had not considered the adverse impact of terminating the contract and the legal difficulties of doing so.

She should withdraw her recommendation to terminate the contract, the province reportedly said.

Comments
  • kobus.hattingh.5 - 2012-05-13 10:56

    Quite frankly I would rather trust in Madonsela's judgement than that of Zille! Madonsela rocks!!! :)

      Jean - 2012-05-13 10:58

      Kobus go read the full article at City Press cos this article from news24 is made to stir.

      Smili - 2012-05-13 11:14

      @Gladly stoned LAY OFF THE WEED> Its making you stupid (not like you were born that way, cough DUMBA*S cough). And the DA is not just Jeans party, it's every ones! And Jeans right! Read the full article... DA has done nothing wrong!!! VIVA DA!!! HELEN FOR PRESIDENT!!!

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-13 11:20

      @Kobus, all politicians are untrustworthy.

      Jean - 2012-05-13 11:20

      Gladstone did I defend the DA in anyway now!! There is a full written article at City Press which gives a lot more info than this half copied and paste article from news24...

      Kala - 2012-05-13 11:47

      The City Press article is way more informative.

      Gladstone - 2012-05-13 12:31

      Now the media is publishing your crimes DA. You come up with cut and paste stories. Tell the congress if you'd seen these media faults they're talking about. You are all corrupt Bastards, now you are Busted!

      ettienne.hattingh - 2012-05-13 12:32

      Gladstone. Do you know who your daddy is. Reading your comments indicates that you are a bastard.

      graham.plessis - 2012-05-13 12:54

      If Thuli exposes wrongdoing I hope the DA rectify their mistakes. Politicians are easily corrupted and it is our job as the public and Thuli's as Public Prosecutor to keep them on track. Am sure will expose things in all provinces and we must support her.

      koos.vandermerwe.92 - 2012-05-13 14:41

      There are, of course, the inevitable calls for me to resign as a result of the Public Protector’s draft report. I had undertaken to resign if the tender was found to be corrupt. It is common cause that there was no corruption whatsoever, and I regard these resignation calls as the normal political posturing that should be treated as such. I will be making all of these, and other points, to the Public Protector myself when I meet her later this week in order to give her the opportunity to rectify the report before she finalises it under her name. Sincerely yours, Helen Zille

      Raj - 2012-05-13 21:06

      She promised to resign if there was any wrongdoing. Not anymore. Forget about City Press article, read her own comment when she made it

      Koos - 2012-05-14 05:45

      She would resign if there was fraud or corruption. Unlike the ancESTORS there were not.

  • En - 2012-05-13 10:57

    Fair is fair...

  • Marion - 2012-05-13 10:58

    If the DA would be happy to see inappropriate contracts for things like leases cancelled then they should abide by Thuli's recommended action in this regard. They are not above doing the wrong thing and when they have done something that the public protector deems wrong they should man up to it and not make excuses.

      pws69 - 2012-05-13 16:51

      This is not the final report, and therefore do not constitute any recommendations, yet. Zilles response. http://www.da.org.za/newsroom.htm?action=view-news-item&id=10681

      Iceberg - 2012-05-13 22:32

      Marion, you should read a bit more on other online publications before you comment, really now.

      Iceberg - 2012-05-13 22:34

      At the top of this website, third from the right is a button "Newspapers" go there = you'll find other more trustworthy publications.

  • Gordon - 2012-05-13 10:58

    Do the headline writes at NEWS24 have a synonym for SLAM. It is used 5 times a day for anything from a court judgement to a sports report.

      Marion - 2012-05-13 11:12

      @Gordon - and a plane crash where only the wing of a plane was hit by a train.

      Kala - 2012-05-13 11:53

      I agree Gordon. And when you read the basics of the report its hardly a fire and brimstone allegation of fraud and corruption. The total wasteful expenditure was less the R9 000.00, which is the amount of money the ANC wastes every second.

      bulumko.lusu - 2012-05-13 11:55

      lo,lol,lol!

      Kala - 2012-05-13 11:58

      There are two headlines below this story on the main page and if you add the total money wasted in just those two stories it comes R73 000 000.00.

      Len - 2012-05-13 22:00

      Perhaps the full report from the Mail and Guardian may help clarify beyond News24's short comings: http://mg.co.za/article/2012-05-12-public-protector-finds-da-advertising-tender-in-the-w-cape-unlawful/

  • Melusi - 2012-05-13 10:58

    there i was thinking the DA could do no wrong,poor me!

      Honest - 2012-05-13 11:33

      The DA is a political party , they have a province so they will do their best to out-corrupt the ANC which has more provinces in which to out-corrupt the DA. Not one political party will not take the opprtunity when it presents itself , No One , don`t know what makes people think the DA won`t do its fair share of corruption when in power.

      sandy.langenstrass - 2012-05-13 22:28

      As I mentioned in another post...the attack on Zille WILL INTENSIFY NOW....so don't believe everything you read.

      Nyiks11 - 2012-05-14 08:42

      and the counter attacks would intensify , for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction . The DA is a political party and therefore prone to error just like the NP and ANC

  • Sharon - 2012-05-13 11:11

    Thuli Madonsela has issues with procedures not properly followed in awarding the tender. There was no evidence of bribes being paid,conflict of interest or irregular spending.

      Smili - 2012-05-13 11:19

      Exactly Sharon! Well said!! READ THIS BEFORE YOU COMMENT TROLLS^^^

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-13 11:35

      How do you inteprete "executing an invalid contract"?

      Marion - 2012-05-13 11:41

      Thuli has said the contract is invalid and should be terminated. That is all that counts.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-13 15:04

      @Michael, "cancellation" is a recommendation. DA may or may not carry out the PP's recommendation. Secondly, PP has a record of impartiality in its work and its findings has been proven fair and credible. Now that it has made findings adverse to DA, all that should change? No dude, its not suppose to be that way.

  • Sematla - 2012-05-13 11:41

    And now Mrs ombudsman is sweeping from under the carpet of the DA boardroom, I bet you even the tikoloshi's will be swept out from there. Watch! when the madam hop on her broom stick and zooms towards the moon...hehehehehehe!

      Smili - 2012-05-13 11:48

      LOLOLOLOL ( I am actually not laughing) Your comments are not funny! They are just stupid.

      Gladstone - 2012-05-13 11:58

      Sematla that was very funny and actualy I'm laughing @ it now. Leave the Smilis they're feeling embarased, now that Madonsela is in their precious Western Cape. Moer om Thuli, Moer om!

      Jacqui - 2012-05-13 12:04

      Sematla, what childish humor you have. I hope you still have to grow up.

      Marion - 2012-05-13 12:20

      I wonder if this constant reference to Helen as Madam and Lindiwe as tea girl etc., could be considered derogatory or hate speech? I am sick and tired of hearing these insults hurled at two highly intelligent and competent individuals. You'd better be careful Sematla 'cos the tokoloshe may come for you sooner than you think.

      Sematla - 2012-05-13 12:20

      Jacqui,that was a free therapy, for you especially. You had to tap into your inner child to recognise that childish humour.Well-done you are making a progress.

      Sematla - 2012-05-13 13:23

      Ironically you are the one who is calling names here Marion,so you be careful because you are already a tikoloshi.

  • Pule - 2012-05-13 11:44

    I was about to fill DA membership yesterday,thanks I did,this political party are all the same.I'll not vote for any and i'll never complain of service delivery.DA,ANC,COPE,UCDP,IFP,UDM,ID go to hell...Oh ID is history....

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-13 11:51

      All politicians are hypocrites. Lets form our own party and name Anti-Politics Movement, APM. Sounds goood nhe? HAHAHAHAHAHA

      Pule - 2012-05-13 11:55

      @siyadyosiba just an atom of time..One day people voice will prevail...

      Marion - 2012-05-13 11:58

      @Pule - Thuli has said the contract must be cancelled. She found irregularities in the procedures followed. She did not find corruption. We all knew her findings last year already. By not voting for anyone you do yourself, your family and others in SA a disservice. Every vote counts because just one vote could swing a ward to a different party. No matter who you vote for, if you are eligible to vote you should vote for whoever you perceive to be the lesser evil. I am not a member of any party and I do not necessarily vote for the same party at each election. No one owns my vote.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-13 12:06

      Pule, if one remark by someone decides for you what party you are going to vote for, you have a long way to go towards voters maturity. I hope you get there in the long run.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-13 12:08

      Siyadyosiba, In Germany they have just started a new political party called the Pirates. They are advocating power to the people politics and as things stand now they will become the third larges party in Germany.

      Pule - 2012-05-13 12:31

      @jacqui,So you imply I have to be loyal with the ANC No matter what happen with corruption and fraud.

      Nyiks11 - 2012-05-14 08:47

      that was a wise move Pule ( Mabe)

  • thapelo.devotion.mothibi - 2012-05-13 11:52

    I often wonder why there was so much passion in DA of battling everything ANC In the court of law?.but i now realise that they actually shifting the media's attention to the ANC in order for them(DA) to jump on the front of the gravytrain....Mmmmm! Destructive tactics can only work this far hey DA.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-13 12:10

      Thapelo, how many luxury cars are used by DA members?.

      thapelo.devotion.mothibi - 2012-05-13 12:13

      How's that question relevant to the fact that they DA where found to be corrupt?

      Marion - 2012-05-13 12:58

      @thapelo - the first part of your latest comment is undermined by the second part. The DA were not found to be corrupt in this investigation. There is no proof of any bribes, backhand payments etc., All administrative problems.

      ivan.matshaba1 - 2012-05-13 14:38

      Power corrupts whether on a big scale or small, just because there is no evidence doesnt mean there was no crime. In time the truth will come out

  • sesom - 2012-05-13 11:53

    They ALL stealing...What a country!!!!

  • pkheswa - 2012-05-13 11:55

    Trouble in paradise!

  • Jacqui - 2012-05-13 11:58

    Madonsela is trying to proof she is neutral. Now go after Mduli.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-13 12:06

      She does not have jurisdiction to probe criminal cases. She probes maladministration and abuse of power by the state.

      Sematla - 2012-05-13 12:23

      TRYING? you....? I suggest that since it is weekend you go and eat brooklux and do something chocolateful.....jacqui, seriously you go now..

  • CliveK - 2012-05-13 12:03

    If this is correct, it is to be unequivocally condemned. But let's be honest and unhypocritical about it, all you ANC supporters: it pales into insignificance when compared with the billions worth of wasteful and illegal "tenders" approved by the various ANC provincial governments.

      thapelo.devotion.mothibi - 2012-05-13 12:07

      There's no collective name for corruption, corruption is Corruption no matter how big or small cronies eat jam.

      thapelo.devotion.mothibi - 2012-05-13 12:09

      Collective Noun I meant.

      desmond.maefa - 2012-05-13 12:12

      Does that make it right? You are still comparing wrong with a wrong

      somikazi.pita - 2012-05-13 12:18

      Remember DA is in control of one Province, just imagine if they were in charge of all the other Provinces as ANC...Corruption is corruption, do not make excuses for any political party.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-13 12:20

      @Clive, let me tell you the difference between DA and ANC. WHen ANC has been found guilty of something wrong, it never says but DA did A,B,C.... When DA is found guilty of something, they always claim what they did is less severe compared to what the ANC has done. That is why I love my ANC, they accept adverse judgement unlike DA.

      ivan.matshaba1 - 2012-05-13 12:49

      Clive less power less capacity for corruption, DA could be as bad as the ANC if given the chance...so Viva ANC Viva :p

      Len - 2012-05-13 22:03

      It maybe because the DA controls only one province? Either way, be it the ANC or DA, they are there to benefit their own. The ANC needs the DA. Since the DA's popularity has a ceiling, the ANC does not have to take the DA seriously and they know any viable opposition will never happen while the DA is in second place.

  • Cedric Papa-Junior Kgatla - 2012-05-13 12:15

    No wonder! Helen is a human being also hungry and also for her people! Its clear that DA has bn cheating all along just that THEY KNOW HOW TO PLAY THE GAME.

  • Charl - 2012-05-13 12:19

    70 million, thats nothing! What about the 47 billion spent on intertainment in 2010, witch was for food, flights , vip tickets , shirts and the youth party, and and and. O and what about the 18 billion spent on the e toll? And what a shame, it was the state pention money! I feel thy r looking in the wrong direction.

      shela.babygoal - 2012-05-13 12:23

      So u sèé nothing wrong about it?

      shela.babygoal - 2012-05-13 12:23

      So u sèé nothing wrong about it?

      kim.buren - 2012-05-13 12:37

      Shela, Carl's point is very clear. If there is any party that is corrupt, it is the ANC.

      thapelo.devotion.mothibi - 2012-05-13 12:57

      Hey wena there's no collective noun for corruption wena...all those monies you mentioned where legit except the 70mil, 47bil for the World cup and 80 mil for the world youth summit baba!

  • somikazi.pita - 2012-05-13 12:23

    If you're making excuses for DA then you no better than ANC supporters.

  • shela.babygoal - 2012-05-13 12:28

    I knew they wil come in DA's defense here

  • georgebrightons - 2012-05-13 12:31

    There are still a lot uncovered corruption in the Western Cape. President Zuma must send National Intervention Team and put that Province under administration. DA has been complaining about corruption by blacks, and now look how corrupt is the DA. All those blacks used to wear DA t-shirts must burn them now. Please Mr. Pravin Gordhan, take on Western Cape. Zille swept corruption under the carpet to convince Auditor- General that Western Cape was the best run in Administration. What is this now? Mother of all corruptions. Jail is where ZILLE belongs. IDIOTS!!!

      Sam - 2012-05-13 14:25

      you killed, NIT

      ivan.matshaba1 - 2012-05-13 14:40

      Jail for Zille...not a bad idea, then maybe I could think of voting DA

  • bongani.mtsweni.35 - 2012-05-13 12:35

    whether its ANC or DA,if the procedure is not followed its wrong finish and klaar no need for justification.One thing I have observed we hate each other racially with passion in the eyes of most whites African will not do something right.you see us as inferior race.

  • Charl - 2012-05-13 12:37

    70 million? Thats nothing! What about the 47 billion spent in 2010 for the intertainment by the covernent? All that for vip , food, shirts , flights. Youth ? And what about the 18 billion spent on the e toll? Whats even worse, it was the state penthon money! How will thy retire! Looks like u guys want to take that 70 mil to make up for ur losses! Rather look somewhere els.

      thapelo.devotion.mothibi - 2012-05-13 12:46

      There's no collective noun for corruption, and all those funds you mentioned where LEGIT besides of course the 70mil..obuti

      thitos - 2012-05-13 20:04

      Charl we heard you first time. We are not all forgetful "penthoners" you know.

  • siyadyosiba - 2012-05-13 12:49

    @justanotherguy, thanks for the link. I read the article. Its actually revealing more serious issues which are not reported here ie politicians drafting the tender spec, non availability of minutes, not following treasury regulations etc. I hear DA is trying to save its face here but if you read carefully, they are conceding that Madonsela's findings are fair and true though they are trying to pull technicalities ie effects of cancelling the contract, court process etc. All in all, DA has faultered and must account, simple.

      Iceberg - 2012-05-13 22:55

      Read again. And carefully now. If the DA needed an Advertising Agency to do their communications for them, who was supposed to draught the specs? The DA is the client, the Advetising Agency is the provider. The client has to somehow convey to the provider what it is that they want? Madonsella RECOMMENDED that the skills, capacity, record-keeping and training in the supply chain management of Zille’s department should be improved. That was the best she could come up with? Seriously

  • ivan.matshaba1 - 2012-05-13 12:52

    So we should trade in one corrupt government for another, I dont think so...ANC one way

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-13 13:07

      looks pretty much like that

  • Barefoot - 2012-05-13 12:54

    People saying this story is not true and we must check city press, do you usually do that when news show anotherpolitical party in a bad light? or you can't believe that a particular party can be wrong that you go hunting for news paper articles that paint it in A good light? at the end of the day they are all human

      Iceberg - 2012-05-13 22:57

      No Barefoot, just hunt for a complete report on the story. You can't seriously say that by now you don't know that the reporting on the site is sub standard to say the least.

  • Andile - 2012-05-13 12:54

    Oh News24! What kind of a story is this? News24 is really biased, at the end of each article they usually have these words that link the article with other relevant articles. E.g. If the article is on crime, than at the end the article there will be a word 'Crime' that you can click on and follow other stories on crime. This article is different, the word 'Corruption' should be at the bottom but NO because the article is about allerged DA irregularities. Nc! Nc! Nc! Nc!

      thitos - 2012-05-13 20:08

      Good thing they didn't tag "corruption" down there. Otherwise every other link would lead to ANC corruption story.

  • Hudayfah - 2012-05-13 12:59

    It would be very interesting to see how this pans out. The comments, as expected, is the usual 'im right no, im right' responses. The article does not give enough information to verify if corruption was involved,to what extent and who the perpetrators are. The more interesting part is the anc supporters seems delighted that this one time they can point a finger of corruption at the da. Wich, ironically, shows how well the da has done to keep corruption to the bare minimum. The most important thing now is how, compared to the anc, the da will deal with the perpetrators if they are indeed guilty. Interesting times ahead. Time for da to step up to the plate and show what they are made of. I will be very dissapointed if they are found guilty and they try an anc style cover up. Because they have untill now shown that they can be the party to town to after the many failings of the anc. Heres to hoping things gets handled properly and efficiently.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-13 13:06

      @Hudayfah, fair comment there. I like your assertion that DA has done its best to keep corruption at bare minimum. I hope there are no more revelations still coming to expose the contrary, like this one as we were not aware of it.

      Hudayfah - 2012-05-13 13:26

      @ Siyadyosiba. As stated above if more corruption is found I would be utterly dissapointed. I do think that corruption sneaks in at every organisation,especially a politically based one. I feel that two factors should still influence your decision whether to vote for the party or shun it. One is the level of corruption and secondly, the way the perpetrators are dealt with. Those two factors shows the party is moving in the right direction

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-13 13:41

      @Hudayfan, I agree with you 100%

      Hudayfah - 2012-05-13 13:58

      @Siyadyosiba Cheers.

      Patiwe - 2012-05-13 14:22

      Thanks guys, this is the only fruitful engagement I had throughout this month other than the racist drivel in this forum, to such an extent I stopped commenting. Thank you once more.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-13 14:34

      @patiwe, there are sane and objective readers in this forum though few. Hudayfah and Marion are amongst them.

      Hudayfah - 2012-05-13 14:45

      @Patiwe. Pleasure. Lets hope for more of the same.

      Iceberg - 2012-05-13 23:01

      Hudayfah, There was NO corruption. TBWA campaigned for this tender against the big guns in the advertising industry like Ogilvy. A proper process was followed from advertising the tender right through to the awarding thereof. From what I understand from the City Pres article is that Mandonsella is not happy that two senior DA members were part of the committee who awarded the final tender. She recommended that the contract with TBWA be cancelled which is not an option. The contract was awarded for two years, and by the time the case gets to court the contract time will have expired. Compare that with the ANC who does not even following any process in awarding tenders and simply awarding them to friends, family and who ever seems to be the flavour of the month, it defies logic, honestly.

      Lotus - 2012-05-14 08:55

      Hi iceberg,this contract has been an issue from the start,http://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2011/08/14/da-aides-in-contract-row, luckily the internet never forgets. I think it all smells of foul play,but we'll have to wait until the end of the month for the final report

      Iceberg - 2012-05-14 10:15

      Hi Lotus, A provisional report, drafted for the Public Protector, into the Western Cape Government’s “alleged improper procurement of communications services” was leaked to the media a week before the agreed deadline for the DA's response. This in itself is highly irregular, and prejudices the DA's right to rectify what their Senior Counsel, Advocate Geoff Budlender, believes to be material legal errors in the draft report, before the report is finalised. This premature leak prejudices the administration of justice and compromises the DA's rights. It is important to point out that there are a number of central points that are beyond contestation and are accepted as “common cause” by all parties in the matter. Most importantly it is accepted that there was no corruption whatsoever, nor any evidence of political involvement, interference or manipulation in the procurement process. The draft report finds that two (out of the six) people who served on a tender bid evaluation committee should not have done so. The two were special advisers to the Premier, Ryan Coetzee and Gavin Davis. However, the Public Protector’s draft report acknowledges that there was no attempt to improperly influence or manipulate the process, that the presence of the special advisers made no difference to the outcome of the evaluation, and that indeed one of the special advisers, Ryan Coetzee, had supported another company during the short-listing.

      Iceberg - 2012-05-14 10:16

      Further: The key paragraphs in the Public Protector’s draft report are as follows: 7.1.1: “No evidence was presented or found during the investigation that indicates any involvement of the Premier personally in the procurement process”. 7.1.2: “There was also no indication found suggesting that the Premier instructed that her special advisers should be (or that she was aware that they were) involved in the drawing up of the specifications of the tender and appointed as members of the Bid Evaluation Committee.” Turning to the role of the special advisers, the Public Protector’s draft report concludes: 7.6.2: “There was no suggestion that the special advisers of the Premier that were involved in the procurement acted improperly or tried to manipulate or influence the process in any manner.” 7.11.2: “During short-listing the majority of BEC members rated TBWA as the highest, with the exception of Mr Coetzee.” Despite this, the Public Protector’s draft report concludes that the involvement of the special advisers was “unlawful” and therefore rendered the contract “invalid”, requiring its termination. According to senior counsel, Advocate Geoff Budlender, this conclusion is legally flawed and cannot be sustained because there is nothing in the Constitution, the Public Finance Management Act, the Treasury Regulations, or the Accounting Officer’s System that, explicitly or implicitly, prohibits the involvement of special advisers in the bid evaluation process.

      Francois - 2012-05-14 23:35

      Well said - First level Headed response - Agree 100%

  • Frans - 2012-05-13 13:09

    What's happening to my hard earned money? First it was our beloved president spending 64mil on renovations, now this.

      Elize - 2012-05-13 14:11

      Atleast this was only R9000.00!!

      Patiwe - 2012-05-13 14:26

      Bull I always admire how the WC is ran as a province, you can't compare corruption which we should regard as a cancer eating away our moral fibre as a country. Corruption is corruption. But not one in this case only procedure that is at fault.

  • Musawenkosi - 2012-05-13 13:10

    Ladies and gentleman of our beloved country, wrong is wrong and also right is right. We also cannot solve wrong with wrong, I have been going through some comments and you can see how divied this country. Everything has got to do with race, why can't we tackle the matter at hand And solve it. This week we witness the results of apartheid whEre people comment recklessly and the response has been the same messAge. My question is where are conscious leaders of South Africa, where are the intellectuals of this country whose school of thought is not confined and hijacked by race, color and political parties. It goes back to what Prince says that South Africa is largely an intellectual desert, in the realm of ideas this country is barren. Come South Africa we can do much better than this.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-13 13:15

      We did do better than this with e-tolling. We all pulled together. There was not a hint of racism. It was "us" the people against "them" the government. We can do it - without all of the petty crap. These guys just need to grow up.

      Musawenkosi - 2012-05-13 13:28

      @Bless, I liked that spirit that was demonstrated by the people of South Africa at that time and I m sure that matter is resolved now. I m quite confident that this would be the way foward where people deal with the problem at hand, I do understand however that some would still comment otherwise.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-13 18:45

      I really, with all my heart, wish that we could move forward. Just as the hurt is felt by those who suffered under apartheid, many of us feel a different sort of pain. Most of those who gave birth to apartheid are no more, but their actions have spilled I

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-13 18:49

      Over to the white population, whether or not they were part of it. Many of us are not wealthy, many of us are barely eking out a living. - yet we are vilified and accused of enriching ourselves. I guess in some instances it is true but in many it is not. We just want to I've forward as one people. There is more than enough room for us all and plenty to go round- we just need to work hard to root out the malpractices.

  • Charl - 2012-05-13 13:39

    mmmmmm never mind, i cant help ppl that dont want to be helped.

  • Charl - 2012-05-13 13:39

    mmmmmm never mind, i cant help ppl that dont want to be helped.

      Sematla - 2012-05-13 13:50

      Self inflating I call it.uzobamuka! o ipompe!

  • Norman - 2012-05-13 14:17

    Dearest ANC sheep, your beloved party has you so caught in their marketing tricks it's sickening!!! So DA is corrupt now....where is the evidence linking the finances to politicians? This CRAP is about a technicallity, show me the corruption! There is no supporting reports to confirm corruption. http://www.da.org.za/newsroom.htm?action=view-news-item

      thulani.zondi.7 - 2012-05-13 14:33

      Norman, your party violated a supply chain management good practice and your president hellen zille has acknowlwdge the mistake. So what arw you trying to defend?

      thulani.zondi.7 - 2012-05-13 14:36

      Norman, your party violated a supply chain management good practice and your president hellen zille has acknowlwdged the mistake. The da did not follow acceptable proceses of supply chain management and there is a conflict of interest that has be identified.

      Norman - 2012-05-13 14:53

      .....Idiot....you're not worth arguing with

      ivan.matshaba1 - 2012-05-13 15:04

      Dear DA troll....so you are saying the DA has no corruption whatsoever, such B.S is the reason ANC will keep on rulling.

      Iceberg - 2012-05-13 23:08

      Thulani, please explain what to us what "violated supply chain management" means Please? Not taking minutes of a specific meeting was the one of the criticizms Madonsella came up with...honestly?

      Francois - 2012-05-14 23:45

      @Norman - That is why they are sheep, ANC doesn't have to be good at marketing tricks, just read the comments by there supporters on this forum. Its like trying to explain to a 5year old the Easter Bunny doesn't exist

  • Normal - 2012-05-13 14:21

    Political Parties,whether white-led,black-led(although ANC seems to take the gold-medal),they are prone to being corrupt. What Thuli says should go - whether its towards the ANC or DA. She is our last hope,our last wall against these Zille-led,Zuma-led criminals who are out there to rape the state of our hard-earned cash.

  • Sam - 2012-05-13 14:31

    Ja! Im now finish with newspapers, let me see what is online, hhhhhhm DA stinking corruption, hhhhhm its pretty clear they continue where BJ Vorster left hhhhhhm anyway white mens corruption is investment , black mens investment is corruption

  • mikenortje - 2012-05-13 14:37

    http://www.da.org.za/newsroom.htm?action=view-news-item&id=10681

  • Seena - 2012-05-13 14:43

    we see you, always have........

  • Sabelo Mdlalose - 2012-05-13 14:46

    The disappointing part is when we try and defend corruption. It does not matter whether u are DA or NAC corruption is corruption. This time is Western Cape and the must answer for it and take fully responsibility of their actions. They have failed the system and the people of South Africa.

  • Stlouis Heidtmann - 2012-05-13 14:47

    shut up you anc lovin thugs zuma himself got more corruption cases against him then whole of da and then the rest of anc still to follow i think some one needs to bring me my machine gun and has been proven yet dark are the days coming hope you all enjoy hell

      thapelo.devotion.mothibi - 2012-05-13 15:30

      What an idiotic bitter man!! You shut up da are Corrupt maan,!!!

  • Dejavu - 2012-05-13 14:55

    It seems like everyone is getting corrupted!

  • ivan.matshaba1 - 2012-05-13 15:19

    The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, DA is also corrupt finish and klaar.

  • Cornelius - 2012-05-13 15:57

    Those who say ANC is more corrupt are not being analytical. If the DA is to have the same levers of power I am sure it will be a tight competition. They are only ruling one province. If they are to rule 8 or 9 provinces the scandals will be unimaginable

      Stlouis Heidtmann - 2012-05-13 16:20

      @cornelius come on you blind anc fool no evidence its tech fualt

      Nyiks11 - 2012-05-14 09:05

      if they get to rule all 9 provinces they'll reintroduce separate development and we will have to rove around with passports and IDs since we will be refugess in (what used to be) our own country. atleast that is what some believe

  • sasekile - 2012-05-13 16:39

    Shame on you hypocrites, corruption is corruption and it should be condemned

  • pws69 - 2012-05-13 16:50

    Zilles response. http://www.da.org.za/newsroom.htm?action=view-news-item&id=10681 I'll await the outcome of the court case, or the final report from the PP.

  • Elize - 2012-05-13 16:58

    I think all of you that would like to learn something about corruption should watch Carte Blanch tonight, could get quite interesting :)

  • John - 2012-05-13 16:58

    The political newspapers so bias .....thanks for being so objective and reports of preffrence .Why is this story not so WhO ha LIKE A ANC /MALEMA /ZUMA STORY ....REALLY FUNNY >>>?

  • pws69 - 2012-05-13 17:01

    The FACTS: The PP DRAFT report has stated their was NO corruption. The issue is of two special advisors sitting on the bid committee. The DA senior councel has said it is legal, the PP DRAFT report says it is illegal. The high court will decide, unless the FINAL report retracts this. There is the issue of fruitless and wasteful expenditure of less than R9000 incurred by re advertising the tender, but the PP DRAFT report states this money was spent precisely to prevent future and potentially significant fruitless and wasteful expenditure that would have been incurred if the error in the original advertisement had not been corrected early on. A complete storm in a tea cup. WHEN it is found the DA did no wrong, is the PP going to fire the person who wrote the original opinion, and fire the person who released it to the press, if a different person?

      Lotus - 2012-05-14 07:23

      http://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2011/08/14/da-aides-in-contract-row

  • John - 2012-05-13 17:03

    Newspaper courts newspaper buddy buddy with the media ,To those who believes DA OR Zilla is fair honest and corruption freee wait till u see the news that is coming out soon -like................?

      pws69 - 2012-05-13 17:11

      Oh, ok, give us a hint then.

  • pws69 - 2012-05-13 17:04

    I do believe though that the FINAL report will state the FACTS correctly. I have total confidence in Madonsela being impartial. That of her underlings? Well, after the release of this DRAFT report, I'm not so sure.

      Sam - 2012-05-13 20:05

      Hellen on news is refusing to comply , this is so interesting when the PP judge against anc she sings praises

  • Thapelo - 2012-05-13 18:09

    cANCer vs DAncer

      Nyiks11 - 2012-05-14 12:13

      cANCer can be treated and cured , can't say the same about Helen's DAncing

  • ernestfigo - 2012-05-13 19:48

    lol some south africans are really funny so akward when a person writte a comment condeming corruption calling for heads to roll da next day singing a different tune Lol contradicting themself .The public protector should do her job just like in other cases Helen Zille should dance to the public protector and praise her just as she was doing couple months back .She wants to go the court root cause we know Justice is white

  • Kagiso Tlhakung - 2012-05-13 19:58

    I hv always said the DA is a mafia organization...trust them to ur own peril. If the DA ever wins the elections we r gonna end up like either Mexico being run by druglords or Nazi Germany wit black ppl being executed in gas chambers...beware ppl!!!

  • Lotus - 2012-05-13 21:30

    Like bob marley said, never make a politician a friend you can rely on. I'm so surprised at some of the comments!just like malema supporters some people are willing to follow their da down to whatever path. Just a note,hitler did not single handedly cause the holocaust, neither did whichever presidents responsible cause apartheid. It is always the naïve persistent followings of the masses that cults and genocides become successful. If there is smoke, acknowledge that fire is burning somewhere and keep an open mind