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Madonsela's son crashes state car

2012-02-02 14:12

Cape Town - The son of Public Protector Thuli Madonsela crashed her state vehicle in Pretoria, her office said on Thursday.

He crashed into a wall of a home in the early hours of Wednesday morning but escaped serious injury, spokesperson Kgalalelo Masibi said.

"The public protector was not a passenger at the time of the accident. She was asleep at home after returning from an official function in Sandton, Johannesburg the previous night."

Masibi said the son, who was licensed to drive, immediately reported the accident to the Garsfontein police station.

Madonsela said she would allow the law to take its course.

"I will submit myself to internal processes regarding the use of state vehicles in line with my terms and conditions of my employment.

"I have already made contact with the owners of the affected property and agreed to compensate them for the damage," she said.

Comments
  • Snoopsy - 2012-02-02 14:17

    You go girl!

      Nosiphom - 2012-02-02 14:28

      @Ludowdj - I doubt that the son, licensed as he is, is authorised to drive a state car - she has broken the law, and if we are for clean governance, she must go. She has fortunately owned up and is commited to submit herself to internal processes. Sorry Thuli, we love you, but you have screwed up this time.

      Alan - 2012-02-02 14:35

      Eish - WTF - I am a taxpayer, so ultimately I will still pay for the car. I must say though - I do appreciate her admission of guilt for having let her son drive the car - It's pretty rarely that we see this kind of 'taking responsibility' from a Govt. official, and that has to be commended.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-02-02 14:45

      I think the praise for her honesty is unwarranted. It should be a matter of course that she own up! Just because the rest of government does not does not make her great, it merely makes her a normal part of a government. How and why her son was using a government vehicle needs to be placed in record and, if this is not in accordance with the law, then there is only one possible action: step down and be prosecuted for misuse of state assets.

      Gary - 2012-02-02 14:49

      @go - well said. Now good luck in trying to explain to people on here that the law was broken either way you cut it.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-02-02 14:53

      @gary, there is NO CHANCE they will get it.

      phumlanii - 2012-02-02 15:01

      Thuli must go and you must get in?

      Dirk - 2012-02-02 15:04

      As I was saying--- This is certainly not her only misdemeanour, despite the medias vain efforts to present her as a saint

      yolie.Landa - 2012-02-02 15:06

      I applaud Madontsela for taking responsibility in this regard. She and her team are doing a great job in investigating some government officials who are missusing our tax... I know some of you will thumbs down my comment, probably because u r gaining tenders

      Ian - 2012-02-02 15:10

      'The early hours of Wednesday morning' means he was drunk; 'allow the law to take it's course' means nothing is going to happen; 'use of state veehycles in line with the terms of my employment' means that the terms of her employment have just been 'adjusted'to include private use of state veehycles!

      Johnny - 2012-02-02 15:11

      @Nosiphom - and how exactly did Thuli screw up ?

      Merven - 2012-02-02 15:21

      Well Dirk, I'm in the fortunate position to know Thuli personally, and let me tell you, she is one of the most level headed, strong people I've ever met, and comparing to your usual drivel, much more of a principle, steadfast person than you can ever dream to be.

      Ryan - 2012-02-02 15:24

      Do you guys realise that if we lose her, we lose the last remaining for good governance in the ANC?

      Hugh - 2012-02-02 15:33

      Ok, where did it say she let him use the car? where did it say he was drunk?. This girl is a rock star, and her kid acts like any other normal teen who nicks the folks car for a midnight jol. Get a life guys.

      Philip - 2012-02-02 15:48

      the interesting fact is that they don't specify whether he was intoxicated or not? we as taxpayers fork out a massive amount of money every month to give them the cushy lives the live. personally, I have had enough of this type of misuse of money... put them in a Toyota corolla like the rest of us and make them appreciate what they get given as govt officials.

      ArchAngel - 2012-02-02 16:23

      @goyougoodthing: I disagree with several of your posts but must agree with this one 100%. Two issues I feel should be taken into account: 1. If the son had no permission to take the vehicle it was VEHICLE THEFT and criminal charges should be instituted, 2. His mother HAD NO RIGHT to give him permission to use a state vehicle so she then, if this is her contention, WILLFULLY MISUSED STATE ASSETS which is an offense in terms of the PFMA and unfortunately, should be fired. I think she is falling on her sword to protect her son.

      Dirk - 2012-02-02 16:58

      Too many in denial and fooled. She must be higher than the equivalent of a director in which case she gets a subsidised vehicle. She is not even permitted to travel in government vehicle, never mind have one at home.

      Jou - 2012-02-02 19:01

      Those damn German luxury motor vehicles. You would think that a top of the line car would be able to see those pesky walls.

      John - 2012-02-02 19:26

      There are a lot of GG cars at the shopping malls on the weekend; Are we to let out the air of all 4 tyres? Paint the windows? Accuse the driver of stealing government property? Report it stolen to the police?

      John - 2012-02-02 19:35

      ' the son is license to drive " means he has a drivers license, or is permitted to drive the car for her. NOT that she let him drive the car in the middle of the night! Vula amehlo!

      Xinobia - 2012-02-03 07:43

      Zola - She's investigating people miss using our tax......... Great!!!! NOT!!!!! She's miss using her position by giving her state car to her son to drive. Breaking the law, whether stealing tax money or disregarding rules on your vehicle, it's criminal!!!!! She's not better than them, but exactly the same!!!!!

      thitos - 2012-02-03 08:07

      Xinophobia, with a handle like that I'm not surprised by your reasoning, let alone grammar (or lack thereof). That's why I hardly comment on News24 any more. We got morons galore in here. Which law, Act of 19-what Section What-Point-What actually says it's criminal for her son to use the state vehicle. You don't know the terms of her contract. Criminal??? Really??? I think what you are saying is criminal, homes!!!

      Jacqui - 2012-02-03 11:07

      Nosiphom. what law has she broken?. She was asleep at home and the boy took the car without her knowledge. You are a bit harsh don't you think?. Unlike some I can think of the boy took full responsibility for his actions and his mother is doing the same. Respect is due here.

      Philip - 2012-02-03 11:16

      @nosiphom...you are an idiot.

      Nina - 2012-02-03 11:31

      Typical!!! some of you are never satisfied. When they are corrupt, you complain, when they do the right thing you still b!tch. How many kids steal their parents cars or use them without permission, and how is this her fault? She holds an NB position yes, but this could have happend to any parent, and she handled it better than most cos most parents would still try to shield their kids. Grow up and stop finding fault in EVERY little thing. its not her fault but she handled it, get over it.

      Gail - 2012-02-03 15:00

      It's entirely possible that he borrowed the car without her consent. Let the law take its course as she has suggested. This begs the question of whether only the driver and owner of the car should be allowed to drive it particularly in the case of public vehicles. In the UK, even if you have a drivers licence you can't just get into someone else's vehicle unless you are insured to drive that vehicle. My niece failed to get herself licensed to drive her own new car and it cost her the equivalent of R32,000 in penalties to get her car back.

  • ludlowdj - 2012-02-02 14:17

    Nice to see that at least some of our representatives are capable of honorable acts when found in the wrong. She has once again proven herself by fairly much winding up the entire matter by the time of print. Give the Lady a Bell's

      Gary - 2012-02-02 14:23

      So we must give her credit for breaking the law and fessing up? THAT'S what wrong with this f@#$% up country of ours.

      Megan - 2012-02-02 14:37

      Gary, I hardly think the rules regarding the use of company cars is LAW. Unless she signed a contract specific to the use of the vehicle stating that NO ONE else is allowed to drive the vehicle then she should be subject to internal disciplinary hearings, which will probably be result in her being responsible to pay for the damages herself, it's got nothing to do with the law of this country.

      Gary - 2012-02-02 14:44

      Megan - YES, its LAW. Its not a COMPANY car, its a STATE OWNED vehicle. She is an OFFICE BEARED appointed by the state president and he conduct and terms of employment is dictated by LAW. Negligence, abuse of state funds, abuse of state owned property can get you into jail. IE. ITS LAW.

      Jeffrey - 2012-02-02 14:45

      @Gary, How do you know that she "allowed" her son to take her car. If she was at a function or in bed he could just have taken it without her permission. I don't see any law being broken in such a situation.

      Gary - 2012-02-02 14:45

      pardon my grammar and spelling.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-02-02 14:47

      Megan it's an abuse of a state asset. Look that up.

      Megan - 2012-02-02 14:52

      "The Public Protector is subject only to the Constitution and the law and is independent of government and any political party." Read more: http://www.southafrica.info/about/democracy/pubprotect.htm#ixzz1lEDIG96v Maybe you could argue that in that case she shouldn't have a state car, but please, she certainly isn't the only person with a state vehicle who has let others use it. Nor is she trying to cover the story up like so many others!

      Gary - 2012-02-02 14:58

      @megan - you just proved my point. She is , and i quote "subject only to the Constitution and the law " Abuse of state assests \ funds is ILLEGAL.

      Mike - 2012-02-02 15:12

      Honorable acts - why did the son drive this car in the first place. A state car is used on or for official business - which I doubt a joy ride by the son is. She should take her hat and not get a bells!

      ttrevenen - 2012-02-02 15:19

      @Gary - oh get a grip... reach for your Prozac! Your reaction is totally overboard. The article does not include all the facts. She has the right to due process with her employer - the same as the rest of us (even if she is a government employee). You ask whats wrong with "this f@\$% up country of ours"? I'd say that its attitudes like yours.

      Merven - 2012-02-02 15:29

      @ Gary, you're missing the 'in line with my terms and conditions of my employment.' part. It is like diplomats, their wives can also drive their cars, first find out what her contract states. At least she is not doing what the average ANC member would've done in a case like this.

      Abram - 2012-02-02 15:53

      Thili children are not dicipline

      goyougoodthing - 2012-02-02 15:55

      Megan your reasoning is flawed on so many levels. "They all do it, so it's fine" WTF?

      Mvikeli - 2012-02-02 16:06

      @Gary: the majority of the comments and the article as a whole focused on Madonsela unlike the other article where the driver was the main focus. Additionally, the other incident resulted in 6 deaths. Now as a rational human being, can you really say that these situations are the same? I don't know (of) Madonsela well enough to call her a saint or a sinner but I can commend her for "fessing up" because that doesn't happen often in this country.

      Dirk - 2012-02-02 17:04

      Merven- Considering your wisdom, just this. Diplomats do not get vehicles except the head of mission, in which case he/she has a driver.So, dont argue. I am VERY familiar with the situation- I was in it.

      Bruning - 2012-02-02 17:51

      Oh? Who's car did you drive?

      Abisali - 2012-02-02 19:41

      @megan: company car? No such thing!!! This was a GOVERNMENT VEHICLE PAID FOR BY THE TAX PAYER (you and me) What she did, unfortunately, WAS against the law. The spending of funds from the fiscus is governed by the PFMA. To act contrary to an Act of Parliament is ILLEGAL which has EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE LAWS OF THIS COUNTRY. She has done a great job but stuffed up big time with this one. Internal disciplinary charges, dismissal as a sanction and then criminal charges to follow. Harsh but required as she literally stole state funds. (wrong is WRONG!!)

      Abisali - 2012-02-02 19:43

      @Jeffrey: Is he was NOT given permission then he STOLE THE CAR and should be charges with THEFT OF MOTOR VEHICLE!! I am horrified at the complete wrong understanding of morality on this forum. WRONG IS WRONG!!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-02 20:19

      @Gary, your request for pardon of poor grammer is dismissed... you screwed up.

      Merven - 2012-02-03 07:20

      Dirk, I dated a Brazilian girl working for the Brazilian Embassy's office, and she had a state vehicles, sponsored by her government.

      Merven - 2012-02-03 08:58

      Sorry, state vehicle.

      Schmee - 2012-02-03 09:52

      Gosh all these arguments about whether she was allowed to let him drive the car. Are you forgetting what kids are like? Did she give him permission to drive the car? I don’t see anywhere in the article that it says he had his moms permission to drive the car. Every family has embarrassing moments like this so don’t act as if you guys are so perfect and have perfect families. Fact is that she is willing to face the music and not shouting about how innocent she is and coming up with conspiracy theories. So give her a break.

  • Gary - 2012-02-02 14:18

    Why the HELL must we pay for her vehicle when her idiot son drives around in it? Maaifoedies!!!

      Stan - 2012-02-02 14:22

      you are a Maaifoedie.

      Willie - 2012-02-02 14:23

      Gary relax don't insult people

      Gary - 2012-02-02 14:26

      yes stan, i am. And you are stan. A dimwit who cannot think up his own insults. Fun eh?

      Clive - 2012-02-02 14:39

      You are quite right, Gary. I think most of us have come to respect Madonsela, but she (presumably) broke the rules and must accept the consequences - including paying for repairs if the insurers don't. Unfortunately there are those in the ANC with skeletons in their closets who will clamour for her immediate dismissal.

      Lauren - 2012-02-02 14:42

      Calm down Gary - it's not as if her son drove her car into your wall. She has admitted to letting him use it, he reported the accident immediately. What's the matter?

      Burtfred - 2012-02-02 14:44

      It takes one to know one.

      IAmTheDarkPrince - 2012-02-02 14:44

      Yes Gary, "Maaifoedies" is so original. You put stan right in his place. *eyeroll*

      Gary - 2012-02-02 14:51

      @lauren -the double standards is.

      David - 2012-02-02 14:54

      Now wait a minute guys. She said she would allow the law to take its course. And that she would subject herself to any diciplinary action that would follow. Now, we dont know if her contractual use of the vehicle would not require her to repair the vehicle at her own cost in cases like this, which it possibly does. Lets get the facts before we asume that we are going to bear the cost. We might not have to bear that cost after all! Fact is I would not really like to see her go! She is probably the person that irks the ANC government the most.

      Gary - 2012-02-02 14:55

      *people who still use asterisks to emulate facial expressions are stupid with no vocabulary, and by trying to emphasize their point, they will try to divert the reader's attention away from the bad grammar and lack of brains by placing words between asterisks*

      Lauren - 2012-02-02 15:00

      What double standard? This happened last night. Do you know something about the outcome that is not in the above article? As far as I can tell no decisions have been made?

      Gary - 2012-02-02 15:06

      http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Driver-in-court-over-6-deaths-20120202 Everone calls for this man's blood. But a prominent figure's son steals \ takes her car,and all of a sudden , the mother is a hero and the next black saviour. She either knew about it, hence if he killed someone, she would be just as accountable. If she didnt know about it , then her son must be charged with theft and reckless endangerment. THOSE double standards.

      Mike - 2012-02-02 15:19

      So Gary! What is your opinion with regard to Zuma and Mandela's family mining fraud for R14million before audit??

      dumisiledee - 2012-02-02 15:25

      @Gary these peopl are straight up hypocrites, on the other article they scream jail him jail him on this one, its ok shame cause the mom reported the accident!!! No its not ok, someone has to take responsibility of this and we need to know what steps were took.

      Merven - 2012-02-02 15:30

      @Gary, and Maaifoedies is your 'own' thought up insult how?

      J-Man - 2012-02-02 16:12

      Hahahhaa this is funny 'n sh*t.

      Willie - 2012-02-02 16:25

      @ Gary so Mreven is a dutchman ne keep on insulting those who do not agree with you

      asteyn - 2012-02-02 16:58

      time for a new Bee-EM

      Gungets - 2012-02-02 17:13

      Gary - get a grip son. We don't even know what the terms of her "car use" are. Her son might well be allowed to drive it. Facts boet, facts, they are a wonderful thing. You have built a straw man from one bit of straw and now having a thrombosis. Chill.

      Merven - 2012-02-03 07:23

      'Gary so Mreven is a dutchman ne keep on insulting those who do not agree with you'???? Talk about a Dutchman, dude, first, try to put an English sentence together, and learn to spell. You make NO sense at all.

      Nina - 2012-02-03 12:03

      Oh Gary, relax would you :-) He didnt kill anyone.

  • Willie - 2012-02-02 14:19

    Better than MEC of housing in gauteng

      StarStruck - 2012-02-02 15:10

      MEC of housing will soon be challenged in court. Mark my words.

      paulmandlankosi - 2012-02-02 15:12

      But the law has been broken here so no one is better.

      Merven - 2012-02-02 15:31

      Look how all the ANC membership card holders are enjoying this, Thuli will still come for your leaders, sorry!

      Hugh - 2012-02-02 15:39

      Which law??

      Abisali - 2012-02-02 20:10

      @HUGH: THESE LAWS: Acts 1 and 29 of 1999.

  • Citizen - 2012-02-02 14:20

    will they test for alcohol, unauthorised driving of a state vehicle, did mom know?

      procold2 - 2012-02-02 14:25

      they cant test for alcohol its to late, but if you read he immediately reported the accident to the Garsfontein police station and he is licenced to driveandMadonsela said she would allow the law to take its course. and will submit herself to internal processes regarding the use of state vehicles in line with her terms and conditions of her employment. transparancy

      Gary - 2012-02-02 14:32

      Well, of course she knew. Otherwise Sipho vd merwe will be charged with theft. So she will fess up and hope she only gets a written warning.

      Jeffrey - 2012-02-02 14:50

      @Gary, Hey Mr. Perfect, get off your holier-than-thou high-horse. She has done what would be expected of someone in her position. Now just let the process unfold; if you are not happy with the result, then is the time to complain.

      Gary - 2012-02-02 15:07

      jeffrey, at least i have permission to ride my horse, and i pay for my horse's feed and upkeep.

      Easi - 2012-02-02 15:43

      fight! fight! fight! ...

      carpejugulim - 2012-02-02 16:47

      doesn't say anywhere in the article that she gave permission what it does say is that she will allow the law to take its course

      Schmee - 2012-02-03 10:51

      Gary I'm starting to wish that you have kids and that one of your kids take your car for a joy ride and crash it. Just by the way insurance does pay out and you don't have to charge the kid with theft. Anyway I'm not one of those people who wish bad things onto people but you are seriously making it difficult for me. Can you please just get a grip on yourself. Did you forget your happy pill this morning or are you just generally like this?

  • Baxito - 2012-02-02 14:20

    Tjo!

  • Werner - 2012-02-02 14:24

    Madonsela for President!!!!!!!!!

      yolie.Landa - 2012-02-02 15:09

      YAYness @Werner. I know a few offices are happy about this incident and cannot wait to get rid of her, she is probably a pain in their fat asses. I will kill for Madontsela lol

  • dumisiledee - 2012-02-02 14:25

    What frustrates me as honourable as she seems is that they'll be using MY tax money to pay for this car, I mean really *rolling eyes*

      George - 2012-02-02 14:40

      You are worring about the little things. Mayby only R30g's to fix What about the Billions stolen and put in there pockets. Get your prioritys right

      Megan - 2012-02-02 14:44

      No Dumisiledee they probably won't. If there is ANY contract specific term stating that no one else is allowed to drive the car then SHE herself would be responsible for paying for the damages. And we can all say "ja right we've heard that one before" but I honestly think that not only has this woman proven she's not like the other chance takers who don't give a sh#t about the wastage of tax money but she's also given this government enough (justified) grief for them to jump at any opportunity to "get her back". At the same time, if state employee's entitled to state vehicles have not had to sign any agreement regarding who can drive the car then technically she hasn't done anything wrong.

      dumisiledee - 2012-02-02 15:11

      @George just because others have stolen Billions doesn't mean I must overlook this one. I'm always complaining about the other ones and everyone has been complaining with me just because its this woman I must then look the other way? sorry it doesn't work that way...I'm a tax payer and I will still complain, I work hard for my money Mr. @Megan thank you for the info:) " If there is ANY contract specific term stating that no one else is allowed to drive the car then SHE herself would be responsible for paying for the damages"

      Abisali - 2012-02-02 20:14

      @George: Oh, so stealing only a little money is OK? Stealing a few thousand from the pensioner's fund is OK, is it? Just not millions? Unlawfully use state assets is OK, is it? As long as it is just a small amount, not so? One car? Two cars? Ten cars? Where do you draw the line? And you wonder why the country is so screwed? People in South Africa do not understand that MONEY FROM THE FICUS IS NOT TO BE STOLEN, NOT ONE CENT!!!

      Jacqui - 2012-02-03 11:14

      Dumisele, you don't mind your tax money being spend on the cars of others then?.

  • Thoka - 2012-02-02 14:25

    great leader, I hope Mr Motata is reading this

  • Sky - 2012-02-02 14:26

    Doubt if mom knew about this nor whether he is allowed to drive it (Alone) in the wee hours of the morning.

      MoAfrika - 2012-02-02 15:08

      I bet there will be that one kid in a family who will put mom in her place hey...

      steve.dupreez - 2012-02-02 15:59

      Personally I think Thule did not go easy on him lol

  • senny.tloubatla - 2012-02-02 14:28

    I love Thuli, I love Thuli, Thuli, I love you. You are true symbol of strength, character and resilience in the world today. I love ya!!!!!!

      Glenda - 2012-02-02 15:17

      Argh!

  • eddiebant - 2012-02-02 14:29

    The whole family make use of the benefits she got and milk the state coffers.

      eddiebant - 2012-02-02 15:02

      Nothing against her,I think she does her work excellent.If the child or family may use the car-no problem.Misuse of benefits is all that worried me.

      dumisiledee - 2012-02-02 15:13

      Thanks @Eddiebant, lots of bloggers here are two faced, they always fight about misuse of benefits but when and only it suits them or sits well with them its ok? I have nothing against her PERSONALLY cause I don't even know her that well but if something screams STATE, I think of my money that is being used carelessly

      eddiebant - 2012-02-02 17:47

      dumisiledee,I agree,its also the wasting of money(0ur money)that bothered me.Sure she will tackle her son if he was wrong.

  • Christopher - 2012-02-02 14:29

    The usual question: what the hell was her son doing driving her OFFICIAL vehicle? If she had knowledge of it then she should be relieved of her post as Public Protector. If not (and I rather think that she didn't know about this) then the law must take its course and the son should be charged with theft, damage to state and to private property. Hope he's got deep pockets ...

      TenRas1 - 2012-02-02 14:36

      His allowed to use it...

      Gavin - 2012-02-02 14:39

      Absolutely spot on mate, there can be no other alternatives. It's her call...

      Jymiro - 2012-02-02 15:12

      You absolutely right Chris. She has a difficult choice, either to cover for her son and take the blame, then she must go or testify aganist the son

      dumisiledee - 2012-02-02 15:14

      Fair comment Chris:)

  • Lionel - 2012-02-02 14:36

    I'm guessing her son took the car without her knowledge - if not then she must go. If he was being a typical testosterone riddled youngster, then she has taken the right approach - no wonder insurance for young men is so expensive!

  • Catherine - 2012-02-02 14:36

    Ja right, let's see if justice takes it's course

  • Snoopsy - 2012-02-02 14:37

    I wish people would read. Thuli said that she would pay for the damages. Being sacked for what her son did. NO! She is the only one not allowing the government to intimidate her.. She is fair and transparent, Honest, and owes up when things go wrong. I take my hat of to this woman.

      senny.tloubatla - 2012-02-02 14:44

      Snoopsy, I am right there, she is facing the fire not hiding behind the smoke. I love Thuli to bits and pieces

  • Mr. Blaq - 2012-02-02 14:37

    HAHA what a story, but like she said, she will allow the law to take its course. We are not aware if she authorized that the son use the car, that would really dent her credibility as a public protector. If the took the car without momy's permission then I recommend her (Madonsela) for taking the matter to the authorities.

      Lionel - 2012-02-02 14:53

      It's a pity he's too old for a good spanking ;)

      henriette.louw - 2012-02-04 09:40

      @Lionel have you forgotten they will be taking the spanking also away. aai tog where are we headed?

  • Grace - 2012-02-02 14:38

    I suppose the taxpayers, once again, have to cough up for her Insurances, excesses and indirectly; repairs to people's property - as of course the taxpayer pays her salary anyway.......

      dumisiledee - 2012-02-02 15:16

      You'll get crucified by Troll George for this comment but I hear you..

      steve.dupreez - 2012-02-02 16:02

      Grace - and the tax payer buys her food and her toilet paper which she wipes her ass on - so what is your point.

  • MissGremlinSays - 2012-02-02 14:39

    So, just to be clear, judging by the bulk of the comments made so far, we need to have Ms. Madonsela dismissed, because her son drove her company car? I would submit, that as we do not know the "company policy" relevant to her situation, we wait, before we allow her to be crucified in the media. Further to that, I ask on a very serious note, that all commentors calling for her head, check carefully in in their family history, to see if their child has ever been allowed to drive a parents company vehicle, or has taken said company vehicle possibly, without the parent's knowlege? I realise she is in the public eye, but truthfully, this is a family matter, and if a "company" regulation HAS been broken, then her employer should be allowed to deal with it in the way that they see fit. She should NOT be tried by media, and have her name and reputation dirtied.

      Jeffrey - 2012-02-02 14:53

      Agree 100% MissGremlinSays.

      Lionel - 2012-02-02 14:56

      Only if she consented! She knows the rules (at least one can presume so). Like I said I'm guessing he was on a joy ride, probably trying to impress his mates - not unusual behaviour for a young guy.

      Lumko Ntshinka - 2012-02-02 14:59

      Perfectly executed statement gremlin, people should just butt out

      MissGremlinSays - 2012-02-02 15:09

      Futher to this comment, her son has just gone on record and said that "he took the car without her knowlege". It is up to her employer as to whether or not they wish to press charges. But it leaves her clear of all mean spirited accusations and allegations. The average commentor won't give a damn however, and will continue to drag her name through the mud.

      Megan - 2012-02-02 15:15

      Thank you MissGremlin!! She may very well have to pay for the damages herself, and the argument that at least one person brought up about how his tax pays her salary then it's still a burden on tax payers is just plain absured. But if this had been the CEO of Pick n' Pay for example we wouldn't really hear the same thing, even though the money you spend on buying products off thier shelves paid for that vehicle and the insurance and the services, etc. In the much bigger picture a state vehicle is as much an asset as the computers they have in their offices and there should be no reason why they aren't treated as standard "company cars" it's certainly not like her son took the presidents plane and flew it into a mountain...

      Willie - 2012-02-02 15:31

      No media is not putting her on trial is bloggers

      Sharon - 2012-02-02 15:40

      This is NOT a COMPANY car but a STATE owned car...

      Hugh - 2012-02-02 15:47

      Thanks for the voice of reason, and our "off with her head" slaters disapear into the wilderness.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-02-02 16:02

      Then he should be prepared for jail for theft and damage to public and private property.

  • Denzil - 2012-02-02 14:41

    Chapter 5 of the ministerial handbook states that, “Members may utilise official vehicles allocated to them at the expense of the State for any reasonable purpose.” It also indicates that, “within reason, official vehicles, which do not form the basis of a taxable benefit, may also be used for private purposes such as transporting school going children to school” provided (i) “family members of Members may travel with them in official vehicles”, (ii) “spouses with a valid driver’s license may drive the official vehicles allocated to Members at any time, including times when the Members are not in the vehicle”. --- Weird eh ?

  • karen.grainger - 2012-02-02 14:41

    Don't be so judgemental people, I know for a fact that most people with company cars allow their spouses / children etc. to use them - I have seen a white Afrikaaner Ekuruleni traffic cop (state resources / fuel) use the van to drop their kids at school every morning - that is still dishonesty !!! And are you telling me that unfortunate accidents have never happened to you either ???? The son drove the car, an accident occured, she followed the law, reported it to the police, made a public announcement about the matter. Now suddenly she deserves to lose her job ?? Whew, the country is in a sadder state than I thought - far too many high and mighties !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Eugene Muller - 2012-02-02 14:50

      and black cops robbed me last year...your point?

      Xhanti - 2012-02-02 15:28

      Eugene, You Are An Idiot!

      Willie - 2012-02-02 15:33

      @ Eugene Muller you so funny

      Sharon - 2012-02-02 15:43

      As someone stated : u may take ur children to school in a state/company owned car

      Merven - 2012-02-03 07:26

      Eugene, they didn't rob you, it was affirmative shopping!

  • Thokozane - 2012-02-02 14:43

    I like people who take responsibility, I commend her for taking an initiative of meeting with the affected family. I wish some leaders could learn from her, and her son probably took the car without permission, but as she stated, let the law take its course.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-02 20:23

      He did take it without her knowledge..

      Lincoln - 2012-02-03 01:55

      @ pointblank.... you dont spell "grammer" like this... its GRAMMAR!! Smart ass... your'e dismissed.

  • Burtfred - 2012-02-02 14:45

    The little bugger. Now his mom is in trouble.

      Merven - 2012-02-03 07:28

      God put children on this earth to temp parents.

  • Brian - 2012-02-02 14:46

    My inside track was that Thuli was being watched for any misdemeanors as she has been ruffling too many big wig feathers. An infraction like this would lead me to question if her son was pushed off the road so an incident could be registered and her put on the spot. Coincidence?? as Desmond Tutu would normally say.

      Lumko Ntshinka - 2012-02-02 14:55

      Exactly my brother, we all know how dirty those political gorrillas hes takin on can be, i bet they are trying everything in their power to taint ha credibilty and shake her out of that office.

      Lumko Ntshinka - 2012-02-02 14:55

      Exactly my brother, we all know how dirty those political gorrillas hes takin on can be, i bet they are trying everything in their power to taint ha credibilty and shake her out of that office.

      Willie - 2012-02-02 15:35

      @ Lumko Ntshinka "...political gorrillas ..." you so mean

      Phill - 2012-02-02 18:10

      Brian, you are 100% right. Thuli's son was pushed off the road to get her mon into trouble. This is purely a set-up. Unfortunately Thuli can't investigate this on her own.Dear Byleveld, can you make yourself available for this? Terms of reference: African National Corruption.

      Byron - 2012-02-02 18:13

      I suppose the conspiracy included convincing her son to steal the car .... or .. wait, I've got it - The Conspirator(s) paid a girl to call him on his cell that night manipulating him into thinking the only way to meet up with her that night was to steal his mom's car - which, being good conspirators and all, they've carefully worded her request so as not to mention his mom's car at all, leaving him to solve x all by himself. Once he picked her up, she handed him a spiked non alcoholic beverage, carefully spiked so as not to draw attention to their motive(s) and let his body's immune system do the rest. Of course, being good conspirators and all, they've supplied her with a virtually untraceable substance that he passed when taking a leak before the first response vehicle arrived on the scene of the accident. Cool stuff.

  • Perfume5 - 2012-02-02 14:47

    Madonsela said she would allow the law to take its course. "I will submit myself to internal processes regarding the use of state vehicles in line with my terms and conditions of my employment. "I have already made contact with the owners of the affected property and agreed to compensate them for the damage," she said........I applaud Ms Madonsela for wanting to pay for the damages and to submit herself to internal process. I hope many can take a page out of her book.

      Jason - 2012-02-02 15:25

      Compensation which comes from where - Tax Payers!!

      Perfume5 - 2012-02-02 15:39

      @Jason...how many in government have actually owned up to a wrong doing. I am sure Ms Madonsela earns a salary, I am only commending her on being transparent regarding the situation. Time will tell as to how the damages are paid :-)

      sechaba.lenong - 2012-02-02 15:48

      Jason, her salary comes from taxpayers so what do you expect?

  • Lumko Ntshinka - 2012-02-02 14:50

    I love and admire that woman with every breath thats in me, fact is this cud've happened to any1 who is a parent, we all know how unruly kids can be and i know for a fact she ddnt sanction and consent the use of that vehicle(read the story properly before u criticise, she was tired and asleep from a function) lets not drag and taint a perfect image of a good proffesional intelligent courageous black woman in the mud please fellaz.

      senny.tloubatla - 2012-02-02 14:59

      Me too sistam if I was man, she would be my wife, I love Thuli, it is crazy.

      MissGremlinSays - 2012-02-02 15:13

      I think a lot of people admire her. She has been fearless in her attempts to reveal truth, has shown tremendous courage, and has been nothing but honest. She is inspirational, and has the makings of a true leader.

  • Lumko Ntshinka - 2012-02-02 14:50

    I love and admire that woman with every breath thats in me, fact is this cud've happened to any1 who is a parent, we all know how unruly kids can be and i know for a fact she ddnt sanction and consent the use of that vehicle(read the story properly before u criticise, she was tired and asleep from a function) lets not drag and taint a perfect image of a good proffesional intelligent courageous black woman in the mud please fellaz.

  • Scouter - 2012-02-02 14:58

    Quite simple - what was an unappointed driver doing behnd the wheel of a an official Government vehicle? Whoever was responsible for the vehicle should be bulleted.

      Lumko Ntshinka - 2012-02-02 15:02

      You should be bulleted for being so stupid

      Scouter - 2012-02-02 17:03

      Clearly you don't understand the term 'bulleted' - it means fired. I assume you believe therefore this scenario is quite acceptable then by African standards?

      Scouter - 2012-02-02 17:13

      @Lumko - get a grasp of the nuances of the English language before posting. I admire you for posting in English though - half the angry posts here eminate from a misunderstanding of each others' language. First barrier to overcome - we often say things that are misinterpreted by others. Be they Black, White et al.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-02 20:25

      @Scouter, no one really uses that term, you on your own. Bulleted... lol... dumb saying.

  • entjana - 2012-02-02 14:58

    How is it that the son has access to driving a state vehicle. She may own up, which is appreciated, fact remains if it was not for the accident, she would have allowed such misuse of state resources to continue. She should know better. I am disappointed in her for allowing this coz I dont think it was the first time.

      Ken - 2012-02-02 23:04

      The keys were probably on a table or in her bag. Get real, should we expect that the keys to the state car are locked up in a safe.

      Ken - 2012-02-02 23:10

      It is actually a "company" car. A lot of us drive company owned cars and we don't lock the keys up or hide them away. Come on , S--t happens.

  • jason.joao - 2012-02-02 15:00

    Wow at some of these comments. In a perfect world I suppose it's quite reasonable to demand her dismissal - no matter how good she was about it all. However, this isn't a perfect world, and considering how limited honesty is in our government, how she's handling this is commendable. Furthermore, if she is dismissed, someone has to replace her. What are the odds that we're going to get an honest person interested in fighting the hard battles for us again? Not that I see Thuli as the "devil" here at all but "better the devil you know than the one you don't." So those that want her axed, if we get a cronie to replace her and help the corrupt big-shots get away with stuff, the karma is yours.

  • Phumi - 2012-02-02 15:08

    Another attempt by the white owned media to taint everything that is black and successfull corrupt. Except for malicious reporting how is this story suppose to advance the lives of ordinary South Africans and take the country forward? The sooner we fasttrack the implemantation of tough media laws and print media particular in this country the better off we will be!

      Gary - 2012-02-02 15:11

      to hide you and your kind's corrupt, animal like behaviour? Dream on Hitler.

      Willie - 2012-02-02 15:37

      Dreaming

      Phill - 2012-02-02 18:17

      Phumi, you got it all wrong dear. This is a state vehicle and we can't condone it just because it is a Black person involved. Thuli herself understands this better. That's why she owns up.Please, don't make it worse than it already is.

  • ruben.maistry - 2012-02-02 15:09

    Could the son be taking the blame?

  • Jymiro - 2012-02-02 15:09

    My take on this matter is simple. She either has given his son the car by which account he has to be fired. That is against her employment contract. Or the son might have stolen the car, if that is the case she has to testify against her son and he has to be prosecuted for theft. If its the latter she will be a good citizen ti testify against her son. Someone has to take the blame. I like her though she did a very sterling job as a Public Prosecutor.

  • Kobus - 2012-02-02 15:10

    Ms Madonsela for President! Sure beats Zille by far. This one is open and honest :)

      Burtfred - 2012-02-02 15:13

      Kobus, are you suggesting that Zille is not open and honest? If so, on what do you base this assumption? Do you read the New Age every day?

      Kobus - 2012-02-02 15:17

      Yes Buttfed, what you see with Madonsela is what you get. With Zille you have to wonder about it. There is no such thing as having a party keeping everybody happy in it. That is just deceiving oneself and the voters for that matter. And no, I just age every new day :)

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-02 20:27

      Kobus, you have something personal against Zille, your comments are almost always anti-Zille regardless of the content of the article. Did she ignore you bumming for money while riding her bike or something?

      Merven - 2012-02-03 07:31

      @PointBlank, many South Africans just don't trust Zille, have you ever heard her speak out against for example farm murders? She tries too hard to be political correct, just to score some political points. She appears pretentious.

  • ttrevenen - 2012-02-02 15:11

    Good for Ms Madonsella - you've got to respect the fact that she came straight out with the facts! Its now a personal matter between her, her employer and her family. No need for the media to turn this into a circus!

  • Panana Ruben - 2012-02-02 15:11

    gv Madonsola a break she loves her family lyk evrybody does, whether state or no state property! so what?

  • Jason - 2012-02-02 15:13

    Its not like she cant admit to it, so why all the praise?? Secondly what was her son doing driving in early hours of the morning, has blood tests been taken, how the hell does one drive into a wall one has to wonder??

      Cynthia - 2012-02-02 15:33

      How about losing control of the car?

      Hugh - 2012-02-02 15:53

      Jason, you are a saint. Most people I know have had their cars nicked by their kids without permission. Nice to know some children never misbehaved. You refresh my belief in our youth.

      John - 2012-02-02 16:21

      Ask that question of Jacques Kallis!!! He also drove into a wall at his complex in the early hours.

  • roland.js.naidoo - 2012-02-02 15:14

    I think this was a setup as she is taking people down in government.Madonsela is clean and if her son did take the vehicle its normal as lots of teenagers steal their parents car... go fly a kite all those that don't like her...

      Jason - 2012-02-02 15:32

      Setup, what are you smoking?? Its a state vehicle which he should not be driving.. at early hours of the morning I might add, who do you think is paying for the damaged wall, yip, thought so!!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-02 20:28

      @Jason, grow up you sound like a real grumpy and miserable person who swims in his own self-righteousness...

  • Lungani - 2012-02-02 15:14

    Is it good to have son or a girl?; or not to bother if you don't have a child at all. I sympathise with this hard working lady as we know that sometimes city kids can be more than a job description.

  • Mc - 2012-02-02 15:15

    Was it a Bently? Was it comprehensively insured? Leave her alone insurance will pay?

  • mbuso.malale - 2012-02-02 15:17

    Its good to hear something like that (I will take full responsibility). The question we need to ask ourselves is; was the son authorised by her or is just being mischeiveous of her son? Guess everyone has met unforeseen circumstances. What if the son stole the car? We must answer those kind of questions before concluding because we are currently not sure of everything, and that is caused by what is called bad journalism. I've seen most articles being published on this site out of mere speculations. Overall the law must take its course to those found guilty.

  • Cynthia - 2012-02-02 15:18

    You are such a straight up and down lady. Imagine if the rest of Government was like you, we would probably be the envy of many - look at the UK for example. I bet your son is going to get into very hot water. Please run for President.

  • gaeleen - 2012-02-02 15:18

    well lets hope that he gets treated the same way as any other public servant's child who has dared to drive a state vehicles without authorisation.

      Cynthia - 2012-02-02 15:40

      He'll probably get into much more trouble than the other kids!

  • Tshepo Selelane - 2012-02-02 15:19

    Don't know the law in this regard... But if it says he is not allowed to be driving the car, she must hit the road. Do the honorable thing and recommend to the President that your head should roll. Wonder if the young man was sober.

      Hugh - 2012-02-02 15:59

      Tshepo, seriousy? resign because her son took a car without permission? Shouldn't that be the ethical standing of all politicians or public servants. The ones involved in misappropriating R25Bn per year in fruitless and wasteful expenditure, the ones in illegal tenders, the list is too long to contemplate but you get my drift. Cart before the horse syndrom.

      Merven - 2012-02-03 07:33

      You ANC guys are sh*tting yourselves just hearing her name, hey! Hehehe.

  • Seja - 2012-02-02 15:20

    How do you know for sure that she gave her son permission to use the car?? How do you know for sure that the son knew that the car his Mom drives is actually a state vehicle?? How do you know for sure that the son did not take the vehicle without Mom's knowledge, and now Mom is perhaps protecting her son from a possible case of theft of state property? How do you know what the exact rules are for state vehicles given to senior government officials?? ... I know I used to take my Mom's car without her permission and I only stopped doing that when I bought my own car! ... there's no way she would have stopped me from taking the car, even though she didnt like the idea of someone driving her car around in the middle of the night... and Im sure alot of you here did similar things - and your mothers still kept their jobs!!

      Jason - 2012-02-02 15:35

      Seja, his mother works for the state- so it should be rather obvious!! If its a state owned vehicle then only government officals are allowed to drive them, and cannot be used for private use, in other words jolling at early hours of the morning TWAT!!

      Byron - 2012-02-02 19:34

      "How do you know for sure that she gave her son permission to use the car??" I don't - whether she did, or not, it which would serve her detractors well to point out that her son was arrested or that she was negligent. "How do you know for sure that the son knew that the car his Mom drives is actually a state vehicle?? " He knew since the first day she drove it home and he checked it standing in the garage and was like "Mom! Cool car! Did u buy it?" *whistles* "How do you know for sure that the son did not take the vehicle without Mom's knowledge, and now Mom is perhaps protecting her son from a possible case of theft of state property?" It's either she takes the blame or her son faces charges of theft. Difficult choice, but she'll protect her son first. We'll see how this cooks as the (unavoidable) heat is turned up. "How do you know what the exact rules are for state vehicles given to senior government officials?? " I don't. I can only hazard a guess that there are responsibility clauses included there-in.

  • Jason - 2012-02-02 15:22

    Nice Thuli! Fantastic to see somebody taking responsiblity for a change.

      Merven - 2012-02-03 07:35

      Imagine if it was Malema, then some white agent bastard who is part of some third force would've been blamed, or Apartheid.

  • Sharon - 2012-02-02 15:22

    Her son should not have been driving a STATE owned car, she has got to take the blame because he has obviously had her permission to drive the car before this. She should have her car taken away and her son should do jail time for theft of STATE property.

      Zulumfana - 2012-02-02 15:43

      Have thought that key might have been stolen as kids usual do in their teen???

      Cynthia - 2012-02-02 15:43

      And you know all this for sure! She HAS taken responsibility - read News24! I rest my case!

      Lerato - 2012-02-02 15:51

      Which part of she will allow the law to take its course did you not understand....??? judging by most comments i would say then all of you here are "Perfect"...!!!

  • Lumko Ntshinka - 2012-02-02 15:22

    I wonder, if this was Zille's son would it be getting this much media attention and criticism, shows the fairness of our media houses, sumtimes i think the controversial media info bill is justified.

      Sharon - 2012-02-02 15:52

      I would say the same about Zille as I am here .........do the crime do the time

      Lumko Ntshinka - 2012-02-02 16:14

      Besydes the fact that Madonsela ddnt commit any crime and im pretty sho 24 wudnt have headlined it.

  • rfsibara - 2012-02-02 15:22

    i'm absolutely certain that her case is a minor case as her son seems to be a responsible person and she not neing negligent unless if in her employment contract, there's a clause that does promotes such allowance of allowing her son to use the car.

  • leondlg - 2012-02-02 15:23

    "Early hours of the morning..." that's usually when things like walls jump in front of your car... Was he also at the "official function, aka drink festival"?

      Glenda - 2012-02-02 15:27

      ha ha! thats funny!

      hosia.modiga - 2012-02-02 20:06

      kwaaaaa