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Malema: Our land plan not like Mugabe’s

2011-04-21 13:28

Johannesburg - ANC Youth League president Julius Malema said its land redistribution proposal would not be like Zimbabwe President Robert Mugabe's programme.

"He has done that, but the method is wrong," Malema said in the Equality Court in response to questions by Tau-SA lawyer Roelof du Plessis.

Malema is on trial under the Equality Act for alleged hate speech for singing the lyrics "awudubhule ibhunu". He said he did not recognise the translation of the words from isiZulu as "shoot the boer".

The ANCYL wanted the land redistribution law changed from willing buyer, willing seller, he told the court.

It also wanted the Constitution to be amended accordingly.

Handing over land

The league believed it was wrong that 90% of the population owned less than 20% of the land - a figure put forward by Du Plessis.

The ANCYL believed that landowners could be convinced to hand over land.

Under questioning, Malema said people would not be put onto trucks and driven away.
"That would be anarchic. That would be chaos," he said.

Earlier, he agreed that he had been trained to use arms and obey commands at 13 for the ANC.

He said although the struggle to remove colonialism was not over, arms were no longer used.

The case against Malema was lodged by civil rights group AfriForum and farmer representatives Tau-SA.

They believe the lyrics of the struggle song are threatening and polarising in post-apartheid South Africa.

“People do what I say, not sing’

They want the lyrics to be declared hate speech and for Malema to be interdicted from singing the song again.

In his testimony on Thursday, Malema said AfriForum did not represent all farmers.

ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe and Human Settlements Minister Tokyo Sexwale had farms.

Asked whether Sexwale would have to give up his farm, Malema said that could be dealt with if it came to it.

He agreed that people listened to him, but added: "They do what I say, not what I sing."
 

Comments
  • zulufox - 2011-04-21 13:35

    Enjoy your Easter weekend people...

      Awol - 2011-04-21 13:59

      I want to ask you: Following all your comments on different stories on News24 I assume you are a black South African: What is so appealing to the youth about Malema? Do you agree with his radical policy change requests and Militant way of going about if he does not get his way? Do you really see him as a future leader that can represent 45,000,000 people on the international arena? Does his followers take him seriously or is it only the uneducated masses? I can really not wrap my mind around this guy.

      Awol - 2011-04-21 15:15

      DW, I feel you brother. Thought its worth a try, maybe just maybe the real zulufox could have come forward.....

      Together - 2011-04-21 15:32

      I would like to know if State-owned land and tribal-owned land is included in that 20%? Many of the people flooding cities and rquiring free housing have land in rural areas - how does this measure up? Enjoy your weekend too, zulufox

      Uthando - 2011-04-21 16:02

      DW, please dont generalise. You are not helping the situation. I'm saying this as a young black lady, your comment offended me, I'm not that kind of person. So please TRY to refrain from making such comments.

      Koos - 2011-04-21 16:25

      I'm black and i will reply to you,what is appealing about Malema is that you whites take him seriously,and he irritate you,that is what is appealling about him.we have sense of humour and we don't really take him that serious we just find him funny cos he cause so much irritation among whites,ANC is our elders and we as blacks respect our elders not young guys like Malema,we will listen what he say but its up to each and indivisual to decide what he think,what is show here is that you whites really have no understanding about how a black south african think,because you believe that we are so stupid that is why you worry when Malema sing this kind of songs.if you whites didn't cause this fuss no one will really know about Malema,you have turn an ordinary guy into a kind of Celebrity.the more you white cricify him the more people will defend him just to annoy the hell out ya.I could not predict the future so i don't know if Malema will be a future leader but i doubt it. what is uneducated masses?can someone explain that to me please,how do you know that the person is uneducated? let just look back pre 94 all white male have to do national service,how many of those white male had degree's before they join the Army?how many of them did continue with their education after army?i know ex army white guys who had std 8,9,10 but not Uni qualification.I know lot of black people with degree's and lots with matrics and some with std 8-9.

      Sword&Cross - 2011-04-21 16:32

      Thanks jackal, same to you! -------------------- "The danger to South Africa is not julius malema but a countries youth capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency of the YL. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of a malema presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing and/or coerced to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than malema, who is a mere symptom of what ails South African youth. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The country can survive a julius malema, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their YL president. The REAL COST of a malema (and all zuma's) to SA citizens is as follows, and with far worse to follow soon down the line. h t t p://w w w.fin24.com/Economy/Soaring-municipal-bills-pound-SA-20110322

      Antoinette - 2011-04-21 17:24

      @zulufox.......enjoy the weekend too! @Koos......thank you.. I think that makes me feel better. :)

      tom.tom1307 - 2011-04-21 18:27

      @Koos, that is the most amazing response i have heard on this website, white South Africans and the media are at fault here for creating a person way above what he is because of misguided fear, the white population here is like middle america, very uneducated on other peoples cultures, heritages, economic and social positions

      TreeRat - 2011-04-21 19:51

      Koos, don't you think that the whole situation is sad? A young guy like Malema intimidating the whole white population (which is a minority group), and the rest of the country (the majority) finding it funny? It reminds me of the school bully always picking on the fat kid with glasses and everybody else thinking that it is funny. Not cool! The truth is that what Malema is doing is not good for the cohesion of the country, the fact that senior ANC people are supporting him is also not a good sign, and once everyone gets over blaming the whites and apartheid for everything (like blaming the Germans today for the holocaust), the ANC should think about putting in place policies that protect minority groups from bullies like Malema, as is the case in most civilized countries.

      TreeRat - 2011-04-21 20:13

      Koos, and to answer your question about national service: Don't forget that apartheid was actually created as a form of "affirmative action" to give Afrikaners preferential access to land, education and jobs after they were "oppressed" by the British, but the policies were later abused in order to enrich a few (sound familiar?). National service was obviously a way to get young men to fight the "war agains communism" in Angola and Namibia, but was also seen as a social upliftment tool for Afrikaners (English speaking South Africans hated the idea), so yes, many young white males did national service with little education (you had to get special exemption if you wanted to go to university first - although many intellectual white males used university as an excuse to get out of doing national service) and the military gave them some valuable life skills, but the dark side was obviously that these kids were put to use by the aparthied govenment for some more sinister objectives (sound familiar again?). It is therefore my belief that white males who actually did compulsory national service during aparthied should not be subjected to affirmative action since they were effectively "punised" (held back) for two years of their lives already.

      Protest - 2011-04-21 22:02

      @ TreeRat You make a very valid point. Just you are ignoring the camps after the 2 year service that totaled another 2 years. Effectively the white male population was legislated by the Apartheid regime to sacrifice 4 years of their lives. For me, this was the equivalent of being sent to prison for the military duty period. We were given non-stop lectures about the apartheid’s dogma. Needless to say that any-one that did not respond well to this brainwashing was mercilessly punished. I lost quite a few friends during that stage as well. This was compulsory and punishable with imprisonment, without trial, if you refused. I welcomed the change of government, as did many of my peers. We saw the change as positive and as final freedom from the manufactured conflict that demanded this military oppression of white males. This is totally ignored by the current regime and the various race based Affirmative action laws. Now my son is growing up. He is still not free in South Africa. As a white male, he is excluded from the economy by the black majority government. I know, the barrage of "you are still benefiting from the apartheid structures" will result. This is with total disregard and ignorance for the situation myself and my family find ourselves in. The laws are race based and does not only target the supposed to be white elite in top posts. It targets the whole white population. The laws are racist to the extreme. The motivation is not economic like Malema and many of Malemavision supporters make it to be. The laws are revenge based and greed based. Same as during the Apartheid years, the politicians refused to admit that their race based segregation was not the best option and would only lead to destruction, the current politicians are as narrow minded and short sighted. The Chinese are showing us the way. EDUCATION, EDUCATION and more EDUCATION. Chinese families are going hungry to be able to send their kids to school. Nothing else is more important than to get the kids educated. Before the Olympics, the Chinese government launched a massive educational campaign to educate the Chinese population how to behave in Western eyes. For example, they were taught to NOT SPIT IN PUBLIC. The ANC are building RDP houses all over. Most of these houses are no better than the mud and tin dwellings they replace. There is no planning for economic development in the newly created communities. There are no schools, clinics, shopping areas, parks, recreational areas or any facilities a normal community needs to function. More loads are placed on existing infrastructure with the resultant overloading and collapse of those structures. Then apartheid and the whites that control the private sector are blamed for the massive failing of the ANC government. It is absolutely amazing how they can use their own failings to gain more support. We all know the Apartheid regime failed and they were voted into extinction. The protests demanding service delivery all over South Africa is proof of that ANC’s massive failing in empowering their voters. I witness the ANC, and international concerns, giving grants towards black business development daily. I witness the failure of the businesses and the grant-money being wasted daily. The EDUCATION is lacking. I see families living on socioal grants with no motivation to better themselves. I see females manufacturing babies as if it is a production line, so they can claim grants for those children. Those children roam the streets with no future. They turn militant and turn to crime, just to survive. One of them is called Malema. The ANC is doing this to their own people. This is the true legacy of the ANC Fatcats. (Yes, they will blame apartheid till infinity.) Empowerment does not come from the oppression of any ethnic group. Empowerment comes from EDUCATION, and the resultant economic activity. It starts with micro trading that eventually develops into a self sustaining and growing economy, at community level and later as community’s trade, at national level. Then the masses can achieve economic freedom. Not by displacing and excluding the approximately 3.5% of the population that is white and economically active. This is RACIST RACIST RACIST.

  • l3jorn - 2011-04-21 13:35

    Every time this babbling moron opens his pie hole it's front page news. Seriously people, do you have nothing better to report on? The media (yes that includes you, news24) are the reason this guy has the influence he has. Just let the idiot fade away.

      CraigColinRoyMcLeod - 2011-04-21 14:33

      It's probably because it has been said on more than one occasion that he will be tapped by the anc for president. Also when you match that with the ever increase economic decline of our country and quality of life and the crumbling of the middle class under its weight, you will see that socio economic collapse is imminent. Watch the Quality of Life, Income and Life Expectancy in SA from 96 to now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbkSRLYSojo complete collapse happens in 5-8 years depending. This is a view of 200 countries from the worlds most respected expert on Statistics and Socio Economic change.

      supporter - 2011-04-21 15:21

      AND THE WORST OF IT ALL, STUPID MALEMA WILL NEVER GROW PASS THE STAGE OF A 2 YEAR OLD. WHEN YOU ARE DUMB YOU ARE DUMB. JUST PROOFS THAT THE SAYING "WHERE THERE IS NO BRAIN, THERE IS NO PAIN" IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. HONESTLY, TO THINK THAT "A DARK FORCE IS SPEAKING TO THE JUDGES AT NIGHT" AS REPORTED ON 94.7 NEWS, IS SOMETHING HE BELIEVES IN, IS HORRIFYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Thangy - 2011-04-21 15:37

      @Shadoz Wow! and we were told that Malema was the militant murderer, You want us to kill him?? its becoming more and more difficult to distinguish the sane from the crazy

  • za101 - 2011-04-21 13:37

    Malema says he was “disappointed” when former president Nelson Mandela said the ANC would insist on an election date from the former National Party regime. “We thought he (Mandela) would say, ‘now is the time to attack’.”

      JohnnyWotten - 2011-04-21 14:29

      Shame, VuyosWors, must suck to be ruled by the race you so dislike. If you know your history, the AWB tried their hardest to start a war pre-elections. Unfortunately for those boers, they were so utterly incompetent that they couldn't even pull that off properly.

      VuyosWors - 2011-04-21 14:38

      @Johnny perhaps they rule you but they dont rule me. Please dont confuse the AWB with the SADF (not the current SANDF) you obviously didnt go to the army did you? Is that why you are such a poof?

      JohnnyWotten - 2011-04-21 14:45

      VW, the SADF wussed out. AWB were waiting for them to join in and nothing happened. You're right, I didn't go to the army, so yeah, I guess I didn't get the opportunities to share showers with a bunch of sweaty, big guys that you did.

      multicon - 2011-04-21 14:50

      Oh Johny, I get the idea you're gay.

      JohnnyWotten - 2011-04-21 15:02

      I could be. You keen?

      Gooi die klippe - 2011-04-21 15:04

      Are you gay Johnny?

      Sandal - 2011-04-21 15:16

      Intelligent debate guys... LOL HES GAY LOLOLOLOL! bunch of children.

      Thangy - 2011-04-21 15:42

      @VuyosWors @multicon How on earth does @JohnnyWotten not being part of the apartheid army make him a poof? He merely called your sickening racism to order so that qualifies him as gay?? The level of debate that we have to endure on a daily basis is shocking, this from grown men!!

      multicon - 2011-04-21 16:14

      Thangy, get connected, it was his reply about the "I didn't get the opportunities to share showers with a bunch of sweaty, big guys" that prompted my response. Get of your horse, there was no rage and anger there, just a comic remark. Chill out.

      multicon - 2011-04-21 16:23

      Thangy, I wish you were there, in the SADF. Your opinion would be quite different. It was well organized, clean and descent. And you couldn't even begin to imagine the amount of humanitarian work that was done by the SADF under BLACK people with NO STRINGS attached. It ranged from medical supplies, to medical procedures, to provision of food, building dams, fixing roads and much more. And those had nothing to do with war. So try to broaden your knowledge of human kind.

      JohnnyWotten - 2011-04-21 19:47

      Wow, I get back from a round of golf and Worsie and Multicon are obsessing about me possibly being gay. However you like to imagine me, fellas. The laughable part is how condescendingly racist your rationale about the SADF is. Guys, either get educated or isolate yourself in misery. Your beloved apartheid is over, you lost and your loss was a victory for human rights. Maybe it's not the fact that you lost that upsets you as much as the fact that you've realized you were actually the bad guys in this story. I don't know. Either way, man up, deal with it and move forward. The past is getting longer and longer ago.

      william.botha - 2011-04-21 20:20

      Hey Mr Rotten, I actually don't see any racism there. Highlight it for me please.

      JohnnyWotten - 2011-04-21 20:40

      William, Worsie's more racist comments have fortunately been removed

      VuyosWors - 2011-04-21 21:00

      Johnny hope you enjoyed your caddying session. What do you mean we lost? There was a referendum in 1992 where the malority of whites voted yes to reform. There was no battle fought so how did we lose? The country was basically given to the black electorate, the ANC never won or fought for liberation, its all in their minds. Jeez you are stupid I cannot believe anyone would even hire you to be their caddy. I dont mind life in SA I am affluent and live very well. I cant say the same for millions of "liberated" ANC supporters...I wonder why that is?

      JohnnyWotten - 2011-04-21 21:38

      So Wors, you'd like a bit of kudos for raising the white flag? Well done to you, then, very noble of you to surrender when you were down like that. BTW the caddy is the guy that carries the golf bag, not the guy hitting the ball but I'll teach you how the game works some day. 'Til then...

      VuyosWors - 2011-04-22 10:20

      Johnny your stupidity knows no bounds. Who has surrendered? Who is or was down? The white man is stll king in SA...look around you who lives in houses and who lives in shacks? Who lines up to beg from whites at traffic lights? We just have more black public servants (government) now than we did then. Anyway I think your boss wants you to go clean his golf clubs now...run off...

      multicon - 2011-04-22 11:02

      VuyosWors, we are wasting our time with people that have tunnel vision. Just look at the pathetic state of the SANDF, it is a big poster sign that says it all. Even in the days before 1994, any white person faced the full consequences of the law if you stole, beat up or murder a black person. The technology was advanced in the SADF, it is now non existent. The same goes for government. The government before 1994 was innovative, created jobs, stabilized the country and the Rand was strong, even though we had tough sanctions. What has the ANC government done for the country. Bring it on JohnyRotten, I want to hear it.

  • Phil - 2011-04-21 13:37

    The land expropriation has already begun - "The ANCYL believed that landowners could be convinced to hand over land". How, by shooting farmers, mmmm, that makes sense, almost as much sense as the already expropriated farms that was declared disaster areas by your own government.

  • Grazy - 2011-04-21 13:37

    Ja, it is easy to convince them, kill them, Africa style negotiation.

  • za101 - 2011-04-21 13:38

    malema should stop worrying about land and o to ficksburg. Lets see if that community loves him.

  • JustinX - 2011-04-21 13:39

    Eish....Malema for a moment there I was actualy believing you! You will always a dumb fool, a useful puppet in the Afro-Nazi regime

      anita.nortje - 2011-04-22 11:49

      Haa haaa haaa! Very good Justin – Koos did someone hit a nerve there? That will teach you to abuse the Afrikaans name you are hiding under…. PLEASE GO ON and tell us what your roll was in Pre 94? Also teaching little kids to use guns? Or wait! Having 20 babies by 6 different wife’s and unable to care for them? What was your roll Koos?

  • TinusB - 2011-04-21 13:40

    Juliass I'm not the easiest person to convince but hey you can always come and give it a try and face the possible consequences off course. It would be fun and make an excellent story. Oh ja, can I please get Tokyo's farm, I'll make it profitable, promise.

  • Stella - 2011-04-21 13:42

    That is exactly what he intends to do, forcefully remove people from their land without payment for it. Nobody will believe otherwise. The more nationalisation can take place the more the ANC can pocket.

  • Smindlo - 2011-04-21 13:43

    we cant ignore the land issue forever unfortunately. However we need someone with brains to tackle the issue, not a loose canon like Juju.

      VuyosWors - 2011-04-21 13:51

      If you had even a vague idea of the science of agriculture, you might appreciate the vast amount of land that is needed to provide food for 40-odd million people. But you dont and that is why, in the long run, so-called land redistribution is going to lead to your starvation.

      Smindlo - 2011-04-21 13:59

      @Vuyo, FYI I was born and bred in the plaas my boy. I know its hard work and needs continuos improvements in the way one goes about farming boy. Yep, I dont know much as I am not really interested in Agrics, hence I said we need someone with brains and the required knowledge. The Boeres did not acquire the farming expertise from some breastfeeding, they practised for years and years and with new technologies things became easier especialy for economies of scale farming. wake up boy, the issue needs to be attended to, and we dont want to end up like Zim where politicians use it to get votes.

      The Observer - 2011-04-21 14:24

      Their is no problem with willing buyer seller. If the gov stoped waiting money they could by the farms. Farmers wanting more than market value is a different story though. But again here there are laws removing such a person same as for the building of new roads etc. I just doesn't work as the anc is in charge. Nothing to do with the concept. And in any case what do you think will happen to the farms?

      The Observer - 2011-04-21 14:24

      Pardon "There is"

      bevaneil - 2011-04-21 14:30

      @Smindlo..our government cant even tackle flippen potholes..that 2 them is like brain surgery..who do u think is brainy enough in the current administration 2 b able 2 handle such a huge task? do u think the poor will get their share..fat cats will benefit...PLEASE "U" wake up.

      VuyosWors - 2011-04-21 14:41

      Smindlo look at the rest of starving Africa living on handouts from the rest of the world. Blacks are consumers not producers. Dont bank on someone with brains unless he is white.

      Smindlo - 2011-04-21 14:45

      @Bevaneil, my point exactly, no one. however that does not make the problem go away. Just as many people are waking to the fact that the ANC cant deliver, I think farmers need to take the matter into their own hands and not wait for government. My gut feeling is some idiot in government will one day when people are fed up with the non-delivery use the land issue to get out and I personally dont want that to happen. remember the situation in Zim started when people were fed up with Bob, his gateway was to tell people to invade farms and he seems to have gotten away with it..

      Smindlo - 2011-04-21 14:56

      @Vuyo, my bad, I thought you had at least an inch of brain more than Malema. so why dont you go to those African countries and produce food for them? huh?

      Together - 2011-04-21 15:34

      It would be interesting to find out if State-owned land and tribal-owned land is included in that 20%? Many of the people flooding cities and rquiring free housing have land in rural areas - how does this measure up?

      bevaneil - 2011-04-21 15:39

      @Smindlo what exactly do u propose that the farmers take into their own hands? If the government wants the land let them compensate the farmers. Our country will never go the way Zim did...we have to face the reality that very few of our people are capable to run these farms to be productive, atleast not yet. There is just too much hatred still in many people, u cant build a anything on someone elses tears. Be honest irrepective what happened will you be able to just hand over something that you have known all your life, if you were brought up to believe its yours. The same like the coloureds feel about what Jimmy said that the Cape is over concentrated with coloureds. Though it is a reality, you cant just up and move people and tell them to hand over, that was exactly what the old regime did and unfortunately you cannot fix this by just taking and giving back and anyway back to who the rightfull owners are long dead and buried. Its time to start on a clean sleight and start building on new foundations and learn from one another not make the same mistake the old apartheid eras people did...ps and dont call people "boy" you remind me of the olden day white racist pigs & the Americans in the old South...very disrespectfull.

      Totman - 2011-04-21 16:08

      @bevaneil. What is your story with Smindlo. he is making sense and say nearly 100% what you are saying. You first attached and insulted him. Then you +- repeat what he said and when he reconfirm his point, you insult him again. You wake up!!!. @vuyo. Why attacking the man. He is making sense. Zim's farmers was delaying the issue for decades and were still in there little private world. They create an excuse for a fool to use the issue to his advantage when he needed votes. I was there and I saw it. I was socializing between those white farmers. They was putting there head in a hole and hope the issue will disappear by it self. They always was reckoning on England and an old SA. England broke a deal with them. They waited till the old man got crazy and than stated that they will not help Zim because of the old man, but if they was doing it earlier as originally promised than there was a good change that all that nonsense would have not happened.

      VuyosWors - 2011-04-21 17:01

      @Totman its good that you are taking Zimbabawe into account. Did you see what happened to the country when they took the farms from whites? Why do you think millions of Zimbos have flocked to SA to get food? Think man think! OK I will tell you...Its because we still have white farmers here! Who is going to feed you when they are gone?

  • Gorilla - 2011-04-21 13:44

    I can't belive that Malema has been given the opportunity to grandstand his political ideologies in a trial that has nothing to do with his manifesto. I am getting the feeling that this trial is all about getting Malema's views out to the people who are militant and nothing to do with his attack on his fellow countrymen.

      Chris - 2011-04-21 14:18

      @Gorilla , you maybe right, I am also starting to wonder about the Tau's agenda as well , maybe they are in cahoots with Juju to get his point across..

      Blaq - 2011-04-21 14:49

      @GORILLA maybe if the Afriforum council had stick to what they come for the Maleme would have never went that direction dont u think. It's a political matter will be dealt with politically.

  • Born To Fish - 2011-04-21 13:45

    Check the Picture of that Body Guard, That gun is on Automatic! When is the police going to enforce our gun laws? How do Body Guards get acess to Assault rifles?

      MJ84@24.com - 2011-04-21 13:47

      Bodyguards of government are allowed automatic guns

      Beam me up - 2011-04-21 13:56

      Malema is not government, he is a party member and holds no post in goverment

      shortcut - 2011-04-21 14:02

      imagine if someone bursts a balloon near this guy.

      Mike - 2011-04-21 14:26

      the Firearm ( not a gun ) should be on safe at all times, this was enforced in the old SADF

      Rory444 - 2011-04-21 16:08

      That ammunition needs a special permit for civilian street. It will over-penetrate as we have seen in the townships, and shoot the guy behind the target too. I see some lawsuits in the making.

  • Shaun - 2011-04-21 13:45

    Well then, keep singing!

  • Gorilla - 2011-04-21 13:46

    Mugabe's plan: Chase out whites, take farms, kill and beat up those who won't leave, stuff up the country. Malema's plan: Chase out whites, take farms, kill and beat up those who won't leave, stuff up the country. Looks very different to me?

      JackMeoff - 2011-04-21 16:05

      Spot on GORILLA. Malema was up here in Zim not so long ago....chanting with ZANU-PF thugs about the very same thing he is pursuing in SA.

      Afrocentia - 2011-04-21 16:39

      Gorilla, stop criticising without offering alternatives. You seemed aggrieved by the prospect of the land being taken away forcefully. This will only be a reversal of what the current settlers did to the rightful owners through their colonial ancestory. That state of affairs will eventually change and all these with despicable attitudes will be left with a headache of where they need to emigrate to, since Australia is a casualty of mother nature.

  • MJ84@24.com - 2011-04-21 13:46

    No it will not, it will be ALOT worse!!

      Loverock - 2011-04-21 13:57

      @MJ84@24.com - " ANC Youth League spokesperson Floyd Shivambu then said the bodyguards were not funded by government." They are not government body guards........private company currently under investigation............. "ANC leaders going around with personal security displaying weapons sets a dangerous trend, Cope leader Mosiuoa Lekota said on Thursday. "This is not a military state. This is not a military dictatorship," Lekota reacted to the heavily-armed private security guards who surrounded ANC Youth League president Julius Malema outside court in Johannesburg this week.

  • MJ84@24.com - 2011-04-21 13:46

    No it will not, it will be ALOT worse!!

  • DeonL - 2011-04-21 13:47

    Before you make an enemy out of farmers, ask the state for land, they own lots of land all over the country, we don't need another blood river.

      Koos - 2011-04-21 16:58

      @DeonL why you people keep telling us about Blood F***in River? listen now the game is fair,you have guns we have guns,it not that you have guns we have spears,that is how you guys won its simple as that.all the dutchmen who believe that they can take us on are living a dream life. we will wipe you out.we take on Brits with spears and we take on you Ducthmens with spears..right.. now imagine if we had guns as well back then.we are not cowards we have courage if we want to attack you we will.

      Truth - 2011-04-22 10:58

      @Koos You are dead wrong. The Zulu impis had more rifles. supplied by english missionaries, than what the Trekkers had. Read your history before making stupid comments.

  • daaivark - 2011-04-21 13:47

    Unrelated, but what the hell are your people doing with porta-cannons outside the court? You don't think you are unpopular with anyone, do you? The things look like star wars prototypes.

      Cuba12 - 2011-04-21 14:01

      It's a display of imagined power/strength, meant, solely, to intimidate others. Like any bully, they rely on these types of displays to try to cudgel others to support them. When you cannot get people to follow you with sound policies/discussions/negotiations, you show off the military hardware at your disposal.

      Vlooi - 2011-04-21 16:18

      Worst is by looking at the bodyguards anybody with a few days of REAL training can see they are utterly incompetent, badly trained and pretty stupid. Instead of scaring us it gives us this feeling of hope. You know, like taking candy from a kid.

  • WillF - 2011-04-21 13:47

    I think that the racist black people and the racist white people should have it out with each other on some racist farm land. Or even better, the black people can invade all the farms of racist white farmers, seeing as though afrikaner racism is the cause of much of these issues.

      Slayer - 2011-04-21 13:57

      Or maybe its about people that grow the food for our country getting slaughtered on their farms, and then some politician singing a song about killing them. If either party is racist, F... em, I dont care, but dont bite the hand that feeds you.

  • 300katoom - 2011-04-21 13:47

    Looking at the photo of the fools body guards in news 24, why the hell does he need them and why the assault rifles the f...ing CHOP!!!!!

  • Mangena1 - 2011-04-21 13:49

    Why whites dont want to share land with the African? Why do you believe you are entitle to this land all the way from Europe? African are not saying they are taking the whole land but share, why is it so difficult? Afrikaners, you are ver strange people!!

      GrimReaper10 - 2011-04-21 14:01

      So why are you entitled to it? Why dont you work for it like everyone else.

      Marcell - 2011-04-21 14:07

      Mangena, If I give you 100 hectare, what would you do with it?

      tkotze - 2011-04-21 14:11

      I have not met a farmer from Europe, although I would acknowledge there will be a few. For the rest, they either paid for it with money they worked hard for, or with blood many generations ago against the British. About sharing, as someone noted, running a large farm capable of sustaining the ever growing Southern Africa population requires most of the farm to be farmed using western techniques. For the people wanting the farms for themselves, the result would be more expensive food for the other 48 million South Africans since there will be less food going around to the benefit of a small community which will not be able to sustain themselves in anycase unless they are truly working the farm as a commercial farm. All the smaller farms collapse. Many if not most of the large farms anyway struggle to make a living as it is. The correct argument would be to compare the net profit of land, not the area of the land but that would not fit the ANC promises. Every person I have met which complains about land and AA/EE that must be more aggressive and whites that must make way and they are racists are people who were unable to make it. I work with many blacks, and have so in the past. They range from juniors to seniors, and all of them, the educated group understand the problems and that just because the ANC makes an election promise does not make it a real solution. Creating work and working together is the way a society can thrive.

      Educated - 2011-04-21 14:13

      Because you need to work hard and buy a farm with the money you eventually make, just like all those farmers had to do. You're proposing that you just get farms for free, as per your government, and unfortunately that is not how things work in the civilised world. You're not entitled to anything for free just because you were born black and you really need to try and understand that. It's not racist, it's life. All those people worked very hard to get and keep their farms and now your government wants to steal them because they believe that they're entitled to it. Can you not see what's wrong with that?

      Albo - 2011-04-21 14:19

      @Mangena1 - why don`t you WORK to EARN MONEY and then BUY your own farm? Why doesn`t Pick n Pay just share all its groceries with everyone? F***ing moron!!

      tkotze - 2011-04-21 14:21

      This country will be much better off if a stance is taken on the influx of migrants taking local work(although they are typically much better workers and better educated than the local populace) and stem the population growth coupled with sorting out the education system. If this is done and the country makes it an investor friendly country companies will grow, more people will get employed, more employed people with income will create more areas where entrepreneurs can get a foot-hold. More entrepreneurs will result in more businesses and the snowball effect comes into play. More money, more houses, more government income on VAT, personal and business tax better services etc etc. That is how a great society is built. I don't want South Africa to be compared to Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Nigeria, Angola, Zambia. We are better, we can do better and we will do better if we don't follow the same route. Taking farms is the same route, being anti western is following the same route, having corrupt government is the same route, civil war is the same route. Sure I can get quite a few other examples as well. And in essence this might translate into Africa bad, Western good but the evidence is out there to look at. Western countries are much more racial friendly and if you walk in Paris you see what a rainbow nation truly looks like. Unfortunately with current education and entitlement that many AA candidates are brought up with they are not generally liked by European and UK countries despite what some people are claiming on these forums. For them it is not about race - they easily employ local people of colour, it is purely about a stigma which needs to be changed. So many blacks have made a success and shown what can be done and I just wish the rest could follow suite.

      Marcell - 2011-04-21 14:23

      @Educated: You can't use the word civilised in Africa.

      supporter - 2011-04-21 15:29

      work for your land you stupid idiot. don't always demand i want, i want. your government promised you a job, a house, a salary, a car, over 17 years ago and what happened?? your government took it all for them and forgot about you. no service deliveries, no good hospitals, no good teachers, roads full of potholes, expensive fuel and food and clothes. complain to you government.

      JackMeoff - 2011-04-21 16:09

      @MANGENA - You black people had 1000's and 1000's of acres of land and all you did was grow a few mealies and cabbage. Along comes the white man from Europe, who instills new technology into the land that he legally bought. The white man turn his newly acquired land into a thriving business that starts feeding your creed and your brothers and sisters all over Africa....then the black man suddenly want's it for free and blames colonialism ! Go figure you buffoon !

      pop101 - 2011-04-21 16:20

      Mangena1 Most of the farmland probably belongs to Banks - ever heard of loans and bonds. It is like buying a car, you take out a loan from the bank and pay the owner of the car (the bank) about two times more than the original price. When times are hard on farms or you want to do improvements, farmers take out a loan from the bank, which means the bank then partly own the farm till you paid off your loan. See eg. Subdivision of Agricultural Land Act. So, take the land, but then you must be willing to take the loan/bond as well. Oh yes, and BTW, the State is the biggest land owner in SA, not the white farmers. So ask them to share their land.

      Vlooi - 2011-04-21 16:21

      @Blaq - no need for me to worry then, you're to flippen lazy to burry anything.

      Sally Fryer - 2011-04-21 16:33

      And where did your great-grandfather hail from? South Africa, mmmm? So glad I'm and 'English' white, then. One of my clients, a retired engineer from the USA, says 80% of the world's population are idiots. I'm beginning to believe him, and, no MANGENA1, you don't fall in the 20% range.

  • tjoppie - 2011-04-21 13:50

    "He said although the struggle to remove colonialism was not over, arms were no longer used" Please tell me then, mr malema......could we possibly draw a line connecting the rampant farm murders, and your youth league's hunger to hurl farmers of theyr farms!! ie. they want farms, and you sing to them to kill the "boers"!! this is starting to make sence now! if i were the judge.....CASE CLOSED!!

      paulf - 2011-04-21 13:56

      It's because it's an ANC judge according to Malema and can't put two and two together.

      Zeek - 2011-04-21 14:23

      @Tjoppie, Maybe you must go read a bit of history about South Africa and who lived where and from when. And where the blacks and the whites came from.

      tjoppie - 2011-04-21 14:47

      @zeek I know the history of south africa pretty good, but what has that got to do with killing innocent farmers and theyr wives and children?? i know that the white voortrekkers had war to get the land, but show me one reference of a voortrekker going into the hut of an induna at night to kill him and his family just so that they could get his land!! whats happening now is barbaric, and it looks more and more like slow and steady, undeclared WAR!!

      multicon - 2011-04-21 14:53

      Its easy to draw a parallel here. First he shoots his head of with "shoot the boer, kill the farmer" and then he demands radical land reform. Do you make the connection? I do.

      DW - 2011-04-21 15:14

      Arms are no longer used, but his bodyguards are armed to the teeth....

  • FrankLee - 2011-04-21 13:51

    We have now learned through repeated occurrences that when the ANC[read also Malema] says they won't do a certain thing, that is exactly what they intend to do. In this case Malema wants to amend the law to remove the road-block of willing buyer, willing seller presumably to forced expropriation. This would then be followed by herding people onto trucks and dumping them in the middle of nowhere. Or just shooting them and burying the bodies in shallow graves. The land will then be re-distributed to well-connected officials. Just as in the land of Zim. That is the plan - according to ANC duplicity.

  • K_za - 2011-04-21 13:55

    Ok so let's get back to the real world. Everybody have a wonderful and safe weekend!!!

      Mangena1 - 2011-04-21 14:26

      Have a great one everybody.

  • willieman - 2011-04-21 13:55

    For once i agree with Malema on willing seller willing buyer,but the dept of land affairs needs to be invistigated because the officials are corrupt in that dept,that is why this process is so slow.We have to face it mense the land act of 1913 is crap.But at the same time the ANC sunset clauses were wrong when it comes to the issue of land

      daaivark - 2011-04-21 13:58

      Excellent point.

      Smindlo - 2011-04-21 14:04

      agreed, too much corruption going on and no will from government to end it. take for example the AGRIBEE fund that was meant to help farmers, the money was stolen by politicians and used to buy luxury homes in KNYSNA. Zoom Zoom promised to deal with corruption, but all I see is the same as what we had, protection of cronies.

      pop101 - 2011-04-21 16:23

      Jip, just see what happened to Landbank.

  • Awol - 2011-04-21 13:55

    I seriously wonder where he gets these ideologies from? Is it fed by the ANC? Does the ANCYL have a think tank that comes up with these ludicris ideas? Be it as it may, black people in this country needs white people just as much as white people need black people. I do firmly believe that Malema is a purist and the worst at that. He tells his followers what they want to hear not what he believes. I am almost certain he is Bi-polar and does not know his nose from his ass.

      Zeek - 2011-04-21 14:28

      Exactly the same way that the president deals with issues. Speak to business tell them this and that speaks to the farm community and tell them that etc etc. Instead of taking a common sense stance on matters on how to run a country and the ANC should have learned from the leaders before them on how to do things regards to service delivery etc.

      Awol - 2011-04-21 14:57

      Zeek, your comment definately holds water. I have often wondered why the ANC have never engaged the DA and get info on why DA led municipalities are run so well. I cannot think that the DA will keep it from the ANC as the DA's main aim is "Service delivery for all". ANC can learn from DA on best practises, use it and start delivering on your promises, then DA supporters will then not mind voting ANC, if they deliver.

  • Nunya - 2011-04-21 14:00

    SURE...IF YOU LACK LEAD IN YOUR DIET.....COME AND TAKE MY LAND.

      Awol - 2011-04-21 14:05

      HAHAHAHA!!! Love this comment: Kom vat my plaas en ek sal vir jou wys watse bliksem ek kan wees, jy sal kak boetie, hierdie is nie Zim nie!!

      l3jorn - 2011-04-21 14:13

      Hahaha! Reminds me of the phrase from Tropic Thunder: "I'm a lead farmer, motherf***er!"

      Awol - 2011-04-21 14:20

      Awesome!! ANCYL: "We are ANCYL and we Have Simple bOER!!!" bOER: "I WILL DESTROY YOU, I WILL F**K YOU UP!! ANCYL: "Stunned silence"

      Wils - 2011-04-21 17:19

      You sound the same as Malema, you two could be out of the same box.

  • customdesign - 2011-04-21 14:05

    Looks like Malema is using the ourt case as a platform to try and win votes ahead of the election

  • Wils - 2011-04-21 14:05

    Malema at the mature age of 13, armed with a 9mm pistol explains a lot!!! Malema at the age of 30 surrounded by thugs with machine guns doesn't seem to have matured much since then!!! ANC youth league hijacked by a bunch of bullies and thugs!!! Surely the youth deserve better than a bunch of old immature men representing them? My 12 year old son asks "who is that old man" and I tell him "Malema represents you and me, the youth of South Africa" Nothing wrong with song only with Malema!

      Awol - 2011-04-21 14:12

      Excellent comment, just sad that you went and screwed it up in the last line!! I have a very very thick skin and live by the phrase "sticks and stones", but for the first time in my life I get very uncomfortable every time I hear the words of that song, its daunting and not fair towards the white youth of South Africa. Be considerate in your postings and what effect these words can have on our society. Will there be anything wrong with me teaching my kids "Shoot the k*ff*r!!" if shoot the boer is not hate speech? My excuse: It does not refer to a person or ethnic group, but rather a system that opresses us white people my son, so sing it as loud as you can and beat this system!! Two wrongs dont make it right.

      multicon - 2011-04-21 14:55

      Its easy, he has Boerephobia.

      Wils - 2011-04-21 16:11

      The song is steeped in history and therefore has its place. The resurrection of the song at TB funeral was inappropriate. To intensionally incite people at gatherings is very wrong. I know very good black people and I believe that the mass majority have very high moral standards. Malema is far too old and embittered to lead the youth of South Africa.

      JackMeoff - 2011-04-21 16:15

      @WILS - For someone who proclaims to represent the youth of SA, why does he sing songs about killing the white youth's father ? It's plain to see, Malema only sees black youth, not white youth. The words begin with a R" and a "P"....RACIST and POLARIZATION towards whites in SA !

      Wils - 2011-04-21 16:35

      @JackMeoff Malema is a bully and uses his tactics to rule and contaminate the black youth of South Africa. The black and white youth of South Africa deserve better and should unite to elect a young leader that has respect and good moral upbringing,which should then stop all this ill-feeling and bitterness.

  • SomeDumbC - 2011-04-21 14:07

    On the bright side - when this happens we (the white minority) will be given exile status in just about any first world country we like, just like they where in Zimbabwe in the 80's. Brilliant!

  • Len - 2011-04-21 14:08

    Trying to work out the age of this idiot. Says he is 37. Carried a fire-arm to Hannis funeral, aged 13. Hani I think died about 16 years ago. Sixteen and 13 make 29. What am I missing, or did Hani die before that

      Awol - 2011-04-21 14:15

      Brilliant, AHAHA!!!

      Paul McCullough - 2011-04-21 15:00

      malema turned 30 recently

      Wils - 2011-04-21 15:32

      You missed the point!

      jinxed1 - 2011-04-21 15:42

      If the point is to malema-bash then Len is doing great. If the point is to say something insightful then sorry, this comment is just stupid. Where does it say the guys is 37??

      Vlooi - 2011-04-21 16:26

      I just think that when your age gets higher than your IQ you can not be member of the ANCYL anymore. That being said they will have to drop the minimum age otherwise the membership numbers will dwindle.

  • Mike Hoxbig - 2011-04-21 14:11

    "The league believed it was wrong that 90% of the population owned less than 20% of the land" That's because they're squatting on land that does not belong to them in the first place. Is is the legitimate landowner's fault that this is the case?

  • mufasa - 2011-04-21 14:13

    somebody please punch this ape!

  • Stu - 2011-04-21 14:14

    People you are missing the point of all this; the ANC wants to keep you occuppied complaining about Malema while they carry on with whatever they do not want you to know about behind the scenes. I call on all the ancestors to give minnie mee problems with his sex organ and his woman friends.... lol - have a good weekend y'all.

      Awol - 2011-04-21 14:58

      over and out Mike 1....

  • CathrynReece - 2011-04-21 14:16

    test

      Awol - 2011-04-21 14:22

      one, two....

      Gorilla - 2011-04-21 14:24

      he might've but he failed I think...

      Mandla - 2011-04-21 14:28

      loud a clear, you are in

      Awol - 2011-04-21 14:59

      over and out Mike 1...

      Steve Wonderboy - 2011-04-21 17:25

      Charlie Romeo come in

  • Zakhele - 2011-04-21 14:17

    Young Malema! I am all for more land give to blacks. But we must first use the land we've got to the full. You've just confirmed yourself that the two ANC idiots have farms. When do they get the time to run those farms? My uncle alone has over 15000 hectares (correction onm y figure yesterday- i forgot one more zero). These 15 000 hectares have been lying there for 18 years unused. Your uncle in Limpopo too has not used his land to the fullest potential. I know a lot of farms that were claimed and nothing has come out of them except fighting and laziness. Hear me our here1 I am not implying that we should not get back the bulk of our land. I am saying there is very disturbing evidence of black farm owners who sit is cozy offices and hope that farming will run itself. Minister of Transport Sibusion Ndebele alone has 8 huge farms. Is that stealing from the poor? I know at least over 19 families who have farms in the Northern KZN but they are never there- they all live in Ballito, Richards Bay, Umhlanga Rocks, Marirtzburg and Durban. Black employees on their (the black bosse) farms are struggling to make ends meet. They can't afford to sent their children to school. My uncle with all those 12 huge farms can't afford to put bread on the table! Want to know why? Answer: The minister ad the MEC for LEDs will not give money government money to strangers. Not even money for seeds and fertilizers, let alone helping with mentorships- unless you politically linked. F*ck ANC &Malema man!

      multicon - 2011-04-21 14:57

      Zakhele for president! Finish and klaar!

      quietmouse - 2011-04-21 15:09

      As a young man my grandfather was a white, English speaking farmer. He was an extremely kind, just and giving individual who saw the good in everybody and treated people with respect in particularly his farm workers. One day a relatively new farm hand and my grandfather’s foreman (a black gentleman) were having a discussion regarding land redistribution (this during the time when apartheid was still very much in practice and speaking of land redistrubtion unheard of). The new hand said to the foreman one day we will all share farmer X’s land and we will not have to answer to anyone but ourselves. My grandfathers foreman responded that that might very well be the case one day but further added that farmer X was an extremely hard working man and that he would probably have is farm back before the year was out. That farming was not an easy task and a lot of time and preparation was require to ensure that things run smoothly. My grandfather unfortunately had to sell his much loved farm due to severe drought that lasted several years and caused extreme hardship and a huge financial burden for himself.

      Together - 2011-04-21 15:39

      It would be interesting to find out if State-owned land and tribal-owned land is included in that 20%? Many of the people flooding cities and rquiring free housing have land in rural areas - how does this measure up?

      jwill - 2011-04-21 15:45

      Someone that doesn't know how to farm and/or doesn't have the money to farm should never be given commercial farm land in the first place. If the banks don't want to provide funds (maybe because this person is not credit worthy), why must government? Many many many white farmers have failed at farming.....only the best survive in this game....finish and klaar. Where do some of these affirmativ action farmers get the notion that they simply get the land and then the government must bail them out whenever they have problems..

  • Dirk - 2011-04-21 14:19

    What are you smoking you BABOON I wont give up my land .... Juju you are dumber than a plank.....

  • LanceJames - 2011-04-21 14:19

    I think it is the same at least you get free land

  • LanceJames - 2011-04-21 14:21

    The other day I went to buy chicken they would not give me drumstick because my colour

  • Eric - 2011-04-21 14:22

    awudubhule inkowe

  • LanceJames - 2011-04-21 14:22

    Hey what is going on i go shoping guy pushes my trolley i give him 3 rand he says he only takes 5 rand this world is comming to an end

  • JackyMoon - 2011-04-21 14:25

    Malema gets all the attention he wants from the media! Stop braodcasting the crap that he talks. Everyone with a IQ higher than 10 knows that he is an idiot! I think it was also him and the ANCYL that wanted to shut Twitter down?

  • LanceJames - 2011-04-21 14:25

    I go to Eastgate roof parking lady comes to me car wash I say okay 20 rand she says do I look like your maid eshh

  • Slapper - 2011-04-21 14:26

    If Malema gets his way, I have no doubt the the future for South Africa will be the same as it is now for Zimbabwe. The Man is a cretin, but is still in the frame for the position of our future President. A frightening thought in itself.

  • LanceJames - 2011-04-21 14:29

    I drive a very small car 1 litre engine I put R100 im going nowhere how the hell do people afford the bigger cars eshhh

      OomPiet - 2011-04-21 23:01

      They are smart workers who earn bigger salaries

  • LanceJames - 2011-04-21 14:30

    If you notice I am not trying to mention !!!! too famous for my liking

  • daaivark - 2011-04-21 14:31

    "landowners could be convinced to hand over land" HA HA HA HA HA HA! Cloudcuckooland, my brudder-man.

      Together - 2011-04-21 15:40

      It would be interesting to find out if State-owned land and tribal-owned land is included in that 20%? Many of the people flooding cities and rquiring free housing have land in rural areas - how does this measure up?

  • Nasdaq7 - 2011-04-21 14:31

    More like 54% of the land. Latest figures.

  • mdubane04 - 2011-04-21 14:31

    people do not get cooked up by this guy he's just grand standing....as far I'm concerned he's irrelevant

  • beicime - 2011-04-21 14:32

    Why doesn't Mr. Malema releases the plan?