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Malema going with mineworkers to open case

2012-08-21 07:11

Johannesburg - Expelled ANC Youth League president Julius Malema will accompany Lonmin mineworkers to lay charges against the police on Tuesday.

"President Julius Malema will accompany leaders of the Lonmin mineworkers to Marikana Police Station [at 07:00] to go open a police case of murder against all the policemen and women who killed the 34 mineworkers in Marikana," former ANCYL spokesperson Floyd Shivambu said in statement.

President Jacob Zuma has ordered a judicial commission of inquiry into the deaths of 34 mineworkers died and injury of 78 when police opened fire on them on a hilltop near Lonmin's Marikana mine, in North West.

‘Justice not guaranteed’

Another 10 people, including two policemen and two security guards, were killed in violence at the mine in the week before the shooting.

Shivambu said the inquiry did not guarantee that justice would be served.

"We know that the commission of inquiry does not exonerate those who killed people from the fact that they killed people," said Shivambu.

"On many occasions, police officers have been arrested for murder, like was the situation in the case of Andries Tatane, and it will be the responsibility and burden of the police to prove that what they did does not amount to a criminal offence."

Police arrested 260 mine workers for public violence after the shooting. They were denied bail by the Ga-Rankuwa Magistrate's Court on Monday.

‘Zuma is not my president’

Malema lambasted Zuma in an address to the Marikana community on Saturday.

He told them that if they were asked who the country's president was, they should say they did not have a president: "I don’t have a president. Zuma is not a president."

He called for Zuma's resignation and that of Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa, accusing them of failing the miners.

The protests were believed to be linked to rivalry between the National Union of Mineworkers and the Association of Mineworkers and Construction Union over recognition agreements at the mine.

Workers also wanted higher pay.

Comments
  • richard.barrett.739 - 2012-08-21 07:25

    YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME , WHAT A JOKE , MALEMA YOU VOTED FOR ZUMA YOU CHOP ,

      Klaus - 2012-08-21 07:50

      good point, now where does a possible divorce comes in to play - this is where the system is wrong and must be rectified, it must be possible to recall a politician via popular vote, similar to a referendum

      eon.rareearth - 2012-08-21 10:34

      Malema the SUPER HERO MORON OF THE OPPRESSED again shows his only ambition of rising to the top of the political spectrum at any cost, so he can slurp voraciously at the pig’s trough. The latest video on news 24, clearly shows a rioter firing about 8 shots at the police at close range. The charge office should refuse to even consider accepting murder charges to be laid against the police, and refuse to allow them to be laid, processed, or investigated. The rioters begged and pleaded to be killed, and they got their wish.

      JManAtheoi - 2012-08-21 16:53

      Why do you even care what this brainless turd says?

      mattewis.kat - 2012-08-21 21:22

      Democracy in this country is a joke! Do these miners think they'll be better off with Malema than they currently are with Cyril Ramaphosa? If old Cyril sold their labour to Lonmin for R12,500.00/miner/month, Malema will probably do it for R20,000.00! People that stupid shouldn't be allowed to cast a vote!

      marcusvandermerwe - 2012-08-21 21:35

      Sounds like Julius is using the death's of 34 miners for his own political gain, ag I meant for the gain of the poor.

  • ettiene.esterhuizen.7 - 2012-08-21 07:27

    hopefully a riot breaks out and a stray bullet hits........ you know who

      IcemanGP - 2012-08-21 07:40

      Do you really hope and pray and believe that the fat fkk would be there.

      boltonbarry - 2012-08-21 07:42

      I'll rather have a well aimed bullet hit you know who

      sheik.mohammad.378 - 2012-08-21 07:50

      Wishful think, but we all live in hope.

      PB - 2012-08-21 08:05

      Hennie, the chances of him NOT being the main spanner in this whole sorry saga is 0%. He had to do SOMETHING to get the sheeple behind him again. Pushing his nationalisation ideal on top of that is a nice bonus. Having zuma in a bad light ... priceless. As more details are coming out regarding the whole sorry scene, it just becomes more and more obvious that 'someone' (read someone who had the world at his feet and lost it all...) had a finger in orchestrating this murky mess.

      dewald.galjaard - 2012-08-22 12:42

      id rather have a well aimed bullet hit you know who, you know where!

  • ronel.kotze.3 - 2012-08-21 07:28

    with or without Malema there should be a criminal investigation against the Cops....I agree let them prove in a court of law that they acted in self defense,,,

      Teuneman - 2012-08-21 07:39

      And waste MY taxes. You fool!

      IcemanGP - 2012-08-21 07:42

      You have obviously never had the pleasure of standing in front of 3000 chanting armed, high on muti have you?

      neville.chamberlain.509 - 2012-08-21 07:50

      Did you actually think before you posted this comment or did you pen the first thing that came to mind?

      gavin.lott.9 - 2012-08-21 07:57

      Guys...If I read that properly...Ronel said let them prove that the POLICE acted in self defense.

      ianmichaelcalder - 2012-08-21 08:03

      Hi Ronel - Its a good thing this is in text that I don't have to talk slowly that you can keep up. The police had used teargas, rubber bullets, a water cannon, dogs, stun grenades and the list goes on. This mob had killed 10 people, yet they still persisted with trying to disperse the mob. Then the mob rushes them - maybe you haven't watched the video, but one thing is for certain - You weren't there. These guys were armed, and had proven during the course of the week that they didn't much care for human life or the police. My only wish is that they had killed more of these guys, as I'm sure plenty of the mob that stood by while 2 police officers were killed and mutilated and 8 other innocents were killed are just as guilty as their own dead friends, and don't deserve much more.

      delish7564 - 2012-08-21 08:11

      @gavin. You could take Ronel's comment either way, it's not very clear what was meant....I took it to mean the Police had to prove that they acted in self-defence but I'm with Iceman on this, I certainly wouldn't have stood doing nothing when charged by soooo many armed strikers. Of course there is the question, were they all miners or was there an element in there to cause trouble that didn't work for the mine? Just putting the thought out there, wouldn't be the first time a strike was infiltrated by "others", happens all round the world during demonstrations too!!!!

      sekalf.nroc - 2012-08-21 08:15

      Teuneman - judging on your well fed friends you would loose some kilos - perhaps not so bad!

      ronel.kotze.3 - 2012-08-21 08:29

      Thank you Gavin, glad you can read...there was 34 Unnatural deaths, in the coarse of Law there must me an in-quest by the police...This in-quest "can" lead to criminal charges. Surely, this must be investigated...How can we judge on limited knowledge..None of us was there and we are relying purely on information from journalist..

      jack.canes.3 - 2012-08-21 08:47

      @Teuneman... This is actually a constitutional move that guarantees minorities a strong voice...Based on your surname, you are that minority that needs a strong constituion.

      sharon.erwin.96 - 2012-08-21 08:49

      If memory serves there were more than 490 cops there - are they going to lay charges against all of them? There were 400 spent cartridges recovered from the scene - can they identify which cop's gun fired them? What about the people killed by the miners - are they going to arrest all of the miners too?

      boltonbarry - 2012-08-21 12:58

      There is always an inquest after any police shooting and only after that can criminal charges be laid if applicable. BUT if you cant see that they acted in self defense you need to have your eye sight checked. I know a good proctologist that can check if there isn't anything pressing against your optical nerve from your intestinal track preventing you from seeing

      jeremy002 - 2012-08-21 16:28

      Unnatural deaths, yeah, clear case of lead poisoning.

  • hudayfah.newman - 2012-08-21 07:28

    Lol this whole thing is unbelievable. Not one damn politician siding with the police,who obviously did this in self defence. Even the usually sensible DA had something bad to say. I don't know how else the poor cops had to defend themselves against those thugs. I would've done the same and I would do it again even after this stupid uproar.

      peterdonb - 2012-08-21 08:24

      Sad isn't it? After the initial knee-jerk condemnation one would have though that the video-footage clearly showing that the cops were attacked, shot at, were actually NOT storming the miners, and acted in self-defence would be enough to get the critics to apologise or at least do a double-take? The silence is deafening. No wonder the police at ground level get so negative. There is just no pleasing anyone. Furthermore, some years back the politicians summarily withdrew the use of shotguns with no. 5 pellets (light pellets), basically leaving the operational police officer with only rubber and sharp-point ammo to handle situations like these. This has come back to haunt them, hopefully. Now, altogether now: "The police have acted in self defence!"

      sipho.buthelezi1 - 2012-08-22 17:13

      thugs are criminals who steal,enforce bad negative effects for the society,,i dont know you but dont you dare call those ppl.thugs..are ypu reffering to them AS THUNGS BECOUSE THEY WANTED A BIG WAGE

  • andtowns - 2012-08-21 07:28

    What about the workers that killed fellow workers and hacked a policeman to death??? Idiotic FOOL!!!

      sipho.buthelezi1 - 2012-08-21 09:22

      34 black community workers and you are complaining about 1 death

      joe.irwin.50 - 2012-08-21 09:59

      @sipho.buthelezi1... 10 people died at the hands of these so called black community workers, not 1. Even if it had been only 1 the outcry should be the same. These people are all union members and they carry weapons as their method of negotiation. It happens all too often in SA. The unions involved should be condemned and deregistered.

      boltonbarry - 2012-08-21 13:00

      Sipho. Hold your hands out in front of you and spread your fingers. If you still have all your fingers, that is how many people were killed before the mine workers decided not charge the police

      deon.louw.7505 - 2012-08-21 13:19

      Sipho 10 people died and apparantly the two policemen were tortured to death. We live in a sick country or some people are just mad?

      indianajohn - 2012-08-22 00:46

      sipho... community workers?? lol!

  • kim.buren - 2012-08-21 07:29

    Anything for a little attention hey, Telly Tubby?

      delish7564 - 2012-08-21 08:12

      LOL. Which Telly Tubby though Kim? :)

      boltonbarry - 2012-08-21 13:01

      HAHAHA Stinky Winky..classic

  • carl.fourie.9 - 2012-08-21 07:32

    Why didn't they lay charges when 10 where murdered by them...their silent approval????

  • andrew.mackie.90 - 2012-08-21 07:33

    Idiot trying to cause more trouble and drum up support for himself. This moron cannot think at all and all he is doing is causing more problems rather than solving problems. What is not clear is how he was allowed into the area where people are still in shock at the happenings and stirring up trouble.

      Sharon Gien-Cambier - 2012-08-21 07:43

      Andrew. Mackie, he was allowed in because the lump owns shares at lonmin. He is more dangerous now then he was with the anc.

  • peterthabo.mahlatji - 2012-08-21 07:33

    What is one to say to such but just LOL in disbelief.

  • yrhonour.honour - 2012-08-21 07:34

    While he is there he should be detained for fraud pending the final outcome. Unfortunatley he is more of a fat than flight risk

  • victor.windsor - 2012-08-21 07:35

    The police should open a case of murder against the miners as well !!!!!

  • neville.chamberlain.509 - 2012-08-21 07:39

    What this halfwit fails to realise is that a murder docket has already been opened. It is SOP for every death where a member of the SAPS is involved. No pills for stupid but plenty of space for inflated egos

      Sharon Gien-Cambier - 2012-08-21 07:45

      MALEMA is a LOL ..... lump of lard!

  • Mlu.Tolo - 2012-08-21 07:43

    Let them waiste state resources, He just seeks for attention again.

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-08-21 07:48

      The problem is, those 'state resource' are our tax money. So now more of the masses will starve because of Malema and the idiotic ANCYL.

  • Simukelo Nicholson Mdladla - 2012-08-21 07:44

    it is total madness to open this case, the only thing I agree on is that I don't have a president, Zuma and his government have failed me.

      steve.ritchie.739 - 2012-08-21 08:33

      Zipper Zoomer has failed the entire country. Malema is a opportunistic oxygen thief, trying to gain mileage from this sad event.

  • douglas.reid.921 - 2012-08-21 07:45

    Desperate for the spotlight, and ANC powerless to stop him. I smell assassination.

  • wilhelm.grobbelaar - 2012-08-21 07:46

    And it was ok for the miners to kill 2 cops. All the f***ers should be killed or go to jail for a very long time.

      sipho.buthelezi1 - 2012-08-21 09:27

      f**kers...the dead mine workers or the black community..

  • vanessa.govender.73 - 2012-08-21 07:47

    of course he is... in his expensive designer clothes, fancy car, body guards Malema will help the poor and downtrodden because no1 knows their plight better than him. PLus these are desperate times .. one needs to ensure one remains in the spotlight even if it means exploiting the suffering of others to make oneself look good. Having said that though...when will we be spared having to read blow by blow details of the mindless antics of this sullen, sour and very dim witted soul.

  • shawnqatar - 2012-08-21 07:48

    So the miners cant return to work and the ultimatum to return to work was postponed because this week is "supposed" to be a week of mourning. Yet the so called mourning have time to go to the police station and lay charges against the Police. Lets hope another riot doesn't break out again at the police station, if one should I hope malema - you are in the front leading your folk of sleep. "this is what most would refer to as "sh#t for brains"

  • sheik.mohammad.378 - 2012-08-21 07:49

    When little brains are dangerous.

  • beki.khumalo - 2012-08-21 07:49

    President Malema? President of what exactly? These boys though, opportunistic sore losers! They take advantage of such a tragic event, instead of trying to bring calm and a bit of sense they milk it for their own ill-conceived agendas! Unfortunately some will fall for their fake sympathy and hail them as leaders. This is not leadership! A true genuine leader cannot defend criminal behaviour. There's difference between holding a protest and being a murder and a thief. These people killed one of their own, cut his toungue out, his lips and his ears and placed an animal skull on his chest! The day before they had butchered two police officers and burnt to death two security guards! In any country when the police approach such criminals they must be prepared to defend their own lives. Floyd and Julius pretend as if these were peaceful protesters who fell victim to a violent police force! That's NOT leadership! They should be ashamed of themselves.

      beki.khumalo - 2012-08-21 09:19

      @Hennie: mina anginaso is'khathi sokuphendula isilima. Ang'hlanyi mina!

      Matt Lloyd - 2012-08-21 10:44

      Beki... Thank you for constantly being the voice of reason and intelligence, it's because of people like you I have hope of RSA achieving its potential, , , Do not drop to the levels of these racists , I just wish South Africa could open its eyes....

  • lminnie - 2012-08-21 07:50

    Hhahahhaaaa - What a absolute dingbat !!!!

  • Nicki.Labuschagne - 2012-08-21 07:50

    This man's stupidity and manipulative lies are endless. He is playing a dangerous game but is blind to the truth. It is going to bite him in his fat behind.

  • MSGRule - 2012-08-21 07:51

    The fact that the miners started all this with killing police men and other miners have nothing to do with nothing. Miners with pangas coming to "negotiate" and then the police sorts them out. now they all want to cry. Ba ba ba go away fat head.

  • Enki - 2012-08-21 07:51

    First the muppet says "I will kill for Zuma", now Zuma is not his President. Anybody that follows this muppet they call Malema, needs to seriously get their heads checked out. What an idiot!!!!!

  • leviy - 2012-08-21 07:52

    and whos gona open a case for those 10 people who whr killed before?i gues MR Zuma will"...

  • lerato.kay.3 - 2012-08-21 07:53

    News flash Cde Malem - Zuma is yo president and you are fired! Better look for a job there

  • nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-08-21 07:54

    This is high treason, he is trying to start an uprising, AMCU must take responsibility for the murders (of the police & securtiy guards) & the death of the miners. NUM, the ANC govt & the Lonmin must not back down like at Implats where AMCU forced the mine through violence & to increase the driller wage to R 9000. Basically AMCU is holding the mines to random through illegal violent strikes.

  • claude.oosthuizen - 2012-08-21 07:55

    Malema, crawl up your own ahole and disappear you ignoramius.You ahve absolutely no idea what you are doing, you oxygen thief. You are only stealing the limelight because you are no more.............

  • Eric Mdudus Shaku - 2012-08-21 07:57

    Malema be carefull oneday your past will hond you,how many enemies have you created so far in yourlife?

  • mikembengo - 2012-08-21 07:57

    oh yes it ws like another syria.

  • david.lebethe - 2012-08-21 07:58

    Malema is right to accompany the community of Marikane to lay criminal charges against the police. Otherwise, they would not have been able to do so on their own. They either faced arbitrary arrest or simply laughed off by police, who would not open a docket if they were on their own. Statements emanating from the SACP (Blade Nzimande, in particular) and conduct of Minister of Labour and commissioner of police, already inform that mineworkers and their preferrred union will never find justice. In fact, their outbursts were reckless and irresponsible and in the midst of tragedy.

      kiran.chetty.3 - 2012-08-21 08:34

      Malema can be there leader in helping them,but the police was forced into self defence to protect their life an the lives of others an that is just what they did.The police stood their ground because they took the vow to protect their country,as you have also seen in the video how barberic the mine workers are,when running to attack the police with weapons,If they could murder 10 people including the policemen then they have no respect for the law,things could have been much worse if the mine workers have gotten hold of the policemens weapons.Be open minded an think,don't try an defend but also think about the situation.There are better way to solve problems than violence.

  • Jeremy.Traygon.Opperman - 2012-08-21 07:58

    Imagine there was no media coverage around this - You would not see (Malema) him at all...

  • thandazab - 2012-08-21 08:02

    Even when malema duz something to help others u just don't see it because he is a slimy snake. Really do not like the boy at all.

  • michelle.h.koekemoer - 2012-08-21 08:06

    Wonder how much involvement Malema had in instigating what has happened??? Evil twit!

  • sharron.forsyth - 2012-08-21 08:09

    Oh my, the uneducated fat cat through corruption just cant keep his dirty nose out of business that is not his. Malema, there is only one Mugabe and one Kony, you will never get far enough to be anything like them as some dude will take a pot shot at your forehead before that happens.

  • sekalf.nroc - 2012-08-21 08:12

    ...told you - 'it' is looking for a job!

  • charlesglass1895 - 2012-08-21 08:13

    Go for it.. Turn our police force against you too you stupid fool...

  • neil.swart - 2012-08-21 08:17

    Seeing that alot of those so called strikers where not even employed at Lonmin and that there were ex-employees involved in the strike, the cops should investigate the involvement of Malema and his chronies as well as the ANCYL in this matter. This is one way of destabilising the mining sector and to take control once investors pull out! There are more behind this than just plain wages and unions! Politicians driving their own sick agendas at the cost of people's lives! Well done Malema & co.

  • neil.meyer.12 - 2012-08-21 08:19

    Whats the chances of the police actually doing anything about the charges against them? Not the type of people you want to be messing with. I bet no prosecutor in South Africa will alienate the police which is to a great deal their colleagues by prosecuting such a case. I was wondering how long it would take for the Jackal to return... Maybe he will start a union,,, hehehe. They are a bunch of power hungry meglomainiacs just like him. Maybe the perfect job for him.

  • Marikexox - 2012-08-21 08:22

    The police acted in self defence! Why did they charge the police with weapons?! Definitely not to go and shake their hands! And please, M is no president! "He" is polluting our youth and spreading his violent tendencies like a virus. He should go and live with Mogabe! They suit each other!

  • isabel.w.stokes - 2012-08-21 08:24

    Zapiro has put a scathing cartoonin The Times today showing Malemawith his Breitling watch and Gucci shoes walking over the dead miners' bodies shouting through a loud hailer marked "opportunism". This is cynical manipulation of these poor people by someone who is determined not to let go of his power (real or imaginary) at any cost. He will do anything to stay in the limelight, even if it means exploiting those who have everything to lose. Why doesn't he help these people by sharing his ill-gotten wealth with them? Shame on you, Juliarse. You are a total disgrace to thisnation.

  • koolHD - 2012-08-21 08:24

    I'm starting to believe Malema is a prime minister of the country. Why is News24 still giving him airtime to utter such ludicrous statements. Malema is a populist. He has a hidden agenda. Mark my words! Mbeki was recalled in the same fashion(during xenophobia). Is zuma next in line??

  • zezethusweetmunch.mkondweni - 2012-08-21 08:25

    *smh* Malema loves attention too much! As for Floyd, i didnt know that he still sees Malema as his president. Not so long ago Malema was 100% Zuma, saying he'd actually kill for him and now? Waah!

  • joanita.hilton - 2012-08-21 08:25

    Same mineworkers he wants to be unemployed with his nationalisation theory?? This clown never lacks comedy

  • tim.kilpin - 2012-08-21 08:26

    Oppurtunist - getting good out of bad

  • rian.dejager.3 - 2012-08-21 08:26

    Flippen clown... Always has ti stick his nose into everyones business...

  • LouisBok - 2012-08-21 08:30

    This coconut Orosman does not want to see his next birthday. Maybe his wish should be someones command. If 30 cops were killed at least 50 arms would've been grabbed and then? Ooo this pikanien is stupid.

  • butch.poulter - 2012-08-21 08:36

    Where was this moron when the sh$t hit the fan last week? If he felt so strongly about the issue why wasnt he leading the strike

  • patrick.erasmus - 2012-08-21 08:37

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/national/murder-white-farmers-south-africa

  • patrick.erasmus - 2012-08-21 08:37

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/national/murder-white-farmers-south-africa