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Malema 'referring to armed struggle'

2011-04-18 14:48

Johannesburg - ANC Youth League president Julius Malema's mimicking of a machine gun whilst singing "awudubhule ibhunu" or "shoot the boer", only bears reference to the armed struggle, the Equality Court heard on Monday.

Testifying in support of Malema's defence, Science and Technology Deputy Minister Derek Hanekom said the song "was not a call to violence, but was a reference to a period or a system where people took up arms".

Transvaal Agricultural Union of SA (TAU SA) counsel Roelof du Plessis told the court that Malema had been seen making the sign of a gun with his hand, which he showed the court.

He said Malema also mimicked the sound of a machine gun by saying "brrr pah" repeatedly.

Du Plessis told Hanekom earlier during a heated cross-examination, that he was "an extremely evasive witness. You answer questions like a politician".

Hate speech

Malema is being tried on a charge brought by Afrikaner interest group group AfriForum, which contends that his singing of a struggle song containing the lyrics "awudubhule ibhunu" or "shoot the boer" constitutes hate speech.

Hanekom, who is also a member of the ANC national executive committee, suggested a national dialogue on the matter.

He told the court the song bore no reference to an ethnic group, but referred to a system of racial oppression.

ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe and Minister in the Presidency responsible for performance monitoring Collins Chabane were in court on Monday, and were expected to testify in Malema's defence.

Malema is expected to take the stand sometime this week in the South Gauteng High Court, which is sitting as the Equality Court.

ANC stalwart Winnie Madikizela-Mandela was also at court on Monday. She has been at Malema's side since the start of the case, which has been set down for 10 days.

Renowned South African poet Wally Serote was expected to take the stand next.

 

 

Comments
  • onetickie - 2011-04-18 14:57

    malema wants civil war in this country and the ANC know that. Jacob Zuma is afraid of malema hence his silence. malema wants blood - the blood of white people in SA but it wouldn't surprise me if it was also the blood of his brothers/comrades. malema is a replica of all dictators throughout the world" - violence, hate, death, anarchy is what they and he lives for.

      Radrodent - 2011-04-18 15:03

      Bring it on!

      onetickie - 2011-04-18 15:20

      Well Looter you need to put that question to malema and hanekom.

      mlh@24.com - 2011-04-18 17:06

      I agree - seems malema most definitely would love nothing more than a revolution-him and his hideous sidekick winnie!! They love using the word 'revolution'! Its actually scary that these two DESPICABLE WARMONGERS can incite such hate! I can hardly look at their hate-filled faces without feeling my blood pressure rise!!! There's just something incredibly CRUEL about them.....

      Simpiwe Cele - 2011-04-18 17:14

      People , dont take our JuJu seriously , he is our court jester ( Pun Intended ) JuJu loves the attention , loves the media and loves playing to the audiences.

      clark - 2011-04-18 18:23

      - The thing that strikes me in all this Malema war talk,is they are revolutionaries without a cause. Twenty five years ago ,one could maybe have understood this call to arms. Has nobody told this idiot the fighting is over and his people and his party are in power ? At best, this 'shoot the boer' campaign is an election ploy by an ANC party worried about it's support. At worst, this represents a hugely worrying attempt by this despot Malema to destabilise the country with sinister motives of total dictatorship and the accompanying retrogression.

      paulf - 2011-04-19 07:32

      New York Times dated 6th April 2010. The words of the song “Ayesaba Amagwala” (“the cowards are scared”) have been found to violate South Africa’s constitution, which forbids the “advocacy of hatred that is based on race … and that constitutes incitement to cause harm,” The Economist reported: Julius Malema, the firebrand leader of the ANC Youth League, whose prominence and influence belies his 29 years, recently chose to perform “Ayesaba Amagwala,” a Zulu ditty with lyrics that say “Dubula ibhunu,” meaning “Shoot the Boer,” the Afrikaans word for farmer that is often held to refer to whites in general. This choice of song has attracted sustained criticism, not least because more than 3,000 white farmers have been murdered since apartheid ended in 1994: Mr Malema’s latest rendition has raised the question of whether his right to free speech should be trumped by the constitution’s ban on spreading hatred. The race-relations institute’s Kerwin Lebone says the ban should prevail. “These kinds of things are necessary if we are to protect what was achieved in 1994,” he says. “Otherwise, what’s the point?” According to The Economist, the ANC “insists the songs are part of liberation history and will appeal against the court ruling.” However, Dan McDougall in The Times of London quoted Tom Stokes of the opposition Democratic Alliance who rejected this stance: “Any argument by the ANC that this song is merely a preservation of struggle literature rings hollow in the face of farming families who have lost wives, mothers and grandmothers.”

      Otello - 2011-04-19 12:38

      Imagine the uproar if the lyrics to the chant/songs were 'Kill the Jew' or 'Kill the Muslim' or 'Kill the Capatalist'. I watched Hardtalk on the BBC last night in which he came off as either very well coached or not as stupid as the media is trying to make him out to be. Freedom of speech includes hatespeech whether politically correct or not. We are wasting the courts' time with these rediculous actions.

      mlh@24.com - 2011-04-19 13:37

      Now there's a thought Otello!! Just imagine the uproar....?! And the fact that there is a court case where WARMONGERS try to justify a murderous song is unbelievable because, in a country where farmers are murdered on a daily basis, THERE IS NO PLACE FOR IT!!

  • Jakob - 2011-04-18 14:59

    freedom of speech, BUT.. if he or any other black / white try to kill me, i WILL defend myself and kill him.. I can also go stand on a corner next to checkers and shout kill all blacks.. guess its only intellect malema lacks.. but dont worry, ur as good as the stones in my garden.

  • I Are Bender - 2011-04-18 15:02

    That period is over now. Come up with something new for the new strugle, crime and corruption. Please

      THABISO MOLISE - 2011-04-18 21:43

      My new struggle is economic emancipation of our blacks in poverty. Wealth of this country must benefit a humungous number of citizens if not all.

      Byron - 2011-04-18 22:57

      Thabiso, many white & coloured people poor too, why don't you rather be more democratic and focus on poverty as a whole? Your skin doesn't make more special than me, or anybody

      ERS - 2011-04-19 12:33

      @ Thabiso . Then fnnn work for it. Stop growing up with clasp hands. The up and coming society is right there in your neighbourhood. Only the Somali's use the oppertunity and then the locals feel they are taking away what it rightfully theirs!

      Otello - 2011-04-19 12:47

      Are we not missing the point? Why does this man enjoy such a huge following, especially from young people. Because the freedom gained in 1994 has failed to provide the anticipated liberation from poverty. The government has failed and continues to fail and betray the youth with a disgraceful education system and failure to create jobs. The song is about taking up arms against an unjust system, and currrent system is unjust. Wake up ANC.

  • willieman - 2011-04-18 15:03

    Is Winnie not suppost to be in parliament working ?

      Realist - 2011-04-18 15:09

      Working? She is busy reaping in the loyalties from that useless movie depicting her as some kind of heroine, and now she is probably preparing to reap in loyalties from the musical about her? Makes you wonder what kind of society puts this kind of cheap trash on a pedestal and within the same league as true heroines!!

      Realist - 2011-04-18 15:09

      Ooops, should have said, royalties!

      IandI - 2011-04-18 15:10

      If you ever see Winnie working, call me as I need to see this miracle! She is, after all the ANC:-), and we know the ANC does not work.

      Siya - 2011-04-18 15:15

      She is still on duty, accompanying his boy boy, she is enjoying a privilege of being a member of number 1 political party. How’s dat, cooooooooool!!!

      Dave - 2011-04-18 15:16

      When Winnie wa asked why she hadnt spent a single day in Parliament last session, she said she was too busy...and earned R800k for it

      Len - 2011-04-18 15:29

      No winnie is supposed to be in jail

      Adams - 2011-04-18 15:42

      @Siya - God help us if morons like you are working at our varsities. I guess it explains why UKZN is going down the crapper.

      bar-one - 2011-04-18 16:46

      @ SIYA You are representative the cancer that is destroying our country

  • observing - 2011-04-18 15:05

    Hang on ........... The problem is not malema (note: not capital letters) The problem is the anc (note: not capital letters). We need to get into a mode (or state) to revolt against the anc who misld the people.

      Tamzien - 2011-04-18 15:10

      yawn

  • paulf - 2011-04-18 15:05

    Who really is attempting to rewrite history? Is the controversial song urging the killing of “Boers” truly part of the ANC’s liberation struggle heritage, or are such claims simply an ingenuous, or perhaps sinister, attempt by the ANC leadership to defend its Youth League leader Julius Malema by distorting the historical truth? Or is the ANC itself trying to rewrite history after it accused the courts of doing so when two successive court rulings found the song to incite racial hatred – findings in line with one already made by the Human Rights Commission (HRC) as long ago as 2003? These are questions that come to the fore from an investigation into the origins of the controversial song, "Dubula iBhunu". The truth seems to be that words to the same effect first were chanted in Pan-Africanist Congress (PAC) circles in the early 1990s along with their infamous slogan of “one settler, one bullet”. Shortly thereafter, the late ANC youth leader Peter Mokaba borrowed the slogan and began chanting his “kill the Boer, kill the farmer” version in 1993 after the murder of ANC and Communist Party leader, Chris Hani. In none of the sources on the origins of the song which could be identified, could any indication be found that the song has ever been part of the ANC repertoire of songs during the struggle days. Although the controversial song sung by Malema is claimed now to be a historical liberation struggle song, it was not included in a 2-CD history and recording of 25 freedom songs released in 2002. Senior ANC and former Umkhonto we Sizwe leaders, including Ronnie Kasrils, Baleka Mbete and Pallo Jordan among others, had collaborated in the production of the collection. At the time of its release, the CD set was described as a collection of field recordings of songs and chants used in the liberation struggle, complemented by a radio documentary providing an overview of the songs, their history and context in the struggle. These songs were sung in ANC camps, at meetings, mass rallies, demonstrations and other gatherings. The set, it was said, was designed as an archival and historical document. Nowhere did it mention “kill the Boer, kill the farmer” or “shoot the Boer”. All indications are that the slogan or chant and the song, or even songs that developed from it, originated with the Pan Africanist Congress (PAC). In August 1999, Thomas Ramaila told the Truth and Reconciliation Commission that he had been a PAC operative and had been influenced by what he called a PAC slogan, namely “kill the farmer, kill the Boer” to kill a farmer, Neville Rudman. Most of Ramaila’s testimony and his amnesty application were rejected, but his reference to the slogan was not. The slogan/song in any version was used first in circles associated with the PAC in the early 1990s, although the PAC never officially took ownership of it and, after the first democratic elections of 1994, distanced itself from it. At almost the same time, the ANC’s Mokaba began using the slogan in 1993 when the armed struggle for all intents and purposes was a thing of the past. In that same year, a large crowd of PAC supporters marched through Cape Town’s Kenilworth and Claremont suburbs, demanding the release of PAC members who had been arrested in connection with the massacre of 11 churchgoers at the St. James Church and chanted “kill the Boer, kill the farmer”, “one settler, one bullet” and “one church, one bomb”. Also in 1993, at a rally in Tembisa near Johannesburg, both Mokaba and a PAC representative used these or similar words in speeches to the large crowd. Mokaba reportedly also urged the crowd to direct their “bullets” at then president FW de Klerk, declaring that he hated De Klerk. To which the PAC representative added, “war against the enemy... kill them”. In March this year, a former participant in an August 1993 march (called “Operation Barcelona”) against increased exam fees in Cape Town, wrote in a comment to an article on the Internet, that he was among PASO (PAC student wing) students in the march who chanted “kill the Boer, kill the farmer” immediately before American student Amy Biehl was killed by members of that mob. In 2002, then president Thabo Mbeki, as president of the ANC, and in 2003 then ANC secretary-general Kgalema Motlanthe - who is now ANC deputy president - firmly and unambiguously distanced the ANC from any such song or slogan, saying it had never been, and would never be, a part of the ANC. No claim was made then that it – in any form - ever had been an ANC liberation struggle song. That is until now, when, in March this year, Malema began singing a generic version of Mokaba’s chant. Suddenly senior ANC leaders, among them secretary-general Gwede Mantashe, are claiming this to be an old ANC liberation struggle song that apparently never was sung to incite violence against white farmers or whites in general, but was aimed against the apartheid regime. Mcebisi Ndletyana, senior researcher at the Human Science Research Council - in another defence of the song and attack on the judges who ruled against its use in an article in "The Sunday Independent" - claims the song embodies black hatred of “whiteness”, but not of people of European descent... with a very wooly explaination of what the difference is intended to be. No documentary or other evidence could be found that the chant or related songs were indeed ANC liberation songs before 1993, when the liberation struggle was practically over and constitutional negotiations in full swing. The Mokaba chant of “kill the farmer, kill the Boer” was next heard in June 2002 at an ANC Youth League meeting in Kimberley, and at Mokaba’s funeral in Limpopo. The funeral was attended by prominent ANC leaders, including Nelson Mandela and Mbeki, and the chanting was stopped immediately. The Freedom Front lodged a complaint of hate speech with the HRC, which subsequently rejected it. However Mbeki, as president of the ANC and the country at the time, on 19 June of that year told Parliament: “Nobody in our country has a right to call for the killing of any South African, whatever the colour, race, ethnic origin, gender or health condition of the intended victim. Those farmers and boers are as much South African and African as I am...” In June 2003, the HRC, chaired by Professor Karthy Govender, assisted by Professor Henk Botha and Mr Khashane Manamela, heard an appeal by the Freedom Front against the earlier HRC ruling. In their decision, delivered on 15 July, they overturned the earlier HRC ruling and found that the slogan "Kill the farmer, kill the boer" as chanted at the ANC youth rally in Kimberley and at the funeral of Mokaba constituted hate speech as defined in section 16(2)(c) of the Constitution. What is even more interesting is that part of the record of submissions made to the HRC at the time contains a letter from Motlanthe, then ANC secretary-general, stating that the ‘’utterance has never been, cannot and will never be a slogan of the ANC, not used by the ANC at all.’’ The logical assumption then is that, according to Motlanthe, it was not part of the ANC’s liberation struggle heritage.

      onetickie - 2011-04-18 15:12

      Thank you for this concise summary. I tried to put into words what I watched live on eTV but couldn't get it quite right much to my own frustration.

      YohYohYoh - 2011-04-18 15:15

      Sorry I'm sure your comment has many valid points, but c'mon man it's just way too long to read

      50something - 2011-04-18 15:23

      Good information, matbe you should send your research to the judge

      Carel - 2011-04-18 15:27

      well there you have it

      redrobot - 2011-04-18 15:33

      A very good and well written piece. Hats off to you paulf. I hope the AfriForum uses this material in their argument.

      BlackLikeMe - 2011-04-18 15:54

      I sent this piece on to Alana Bailey, Adjunk-Uitvoerende Hoof AfriForum. She has read it and gives her thanks.

      Nexus6 - 2011-04-18 16:10

      Thumbs Up! Excellent Read. This guy knows what he is talking about. Let this be known to all murderess and racist members of the ancyl. Your hole is getting bigger I see.

      Derek Gerber - 2011-04-18 22:24

      Thank you. This is highly enlightning, and I mean it.

      paulf - 2011-04-19 07:48

      This post might not be off great interest to the Americans and Europeans on here, but to us South Africans, this is an important matter. I felt like sharing it, just so you might get a perspective on an issue we currently have in SA. We have a political figure, called Julius Malema, leader of the Anc Youth league, wich is part of the ruling Anc party in SA. This guy has been very controversial in his reign as leader of the youth league. In the last week he has been taken to court for violating some free speech principals and possible human rights. He has been singing this song, claiming it is a song from the "struggle", back in the Apartheid days. Nothing wrong with that, the problem is the words in the song. Things like "kill the boer", "kill the farmer" or "one bullet one boer". In this context Boer reffers to the white minority in Sa. Clearly this song is used to instigate people against whites. Malema however claims he is doing nothing wrong, since it is a "struggle" song, a song the freedom fighters use to sing. However is it really? Lets have a look. Is the controversial song urging the killing of “Boers” truly part of the ANC’s liberation struggle heritage, or are such claims simply an ingenuous, or perhaps sinister, attempt by the ANC leadership to defend its Youth League leader Julius Malema by distorting the historical truth? Or is the ANC itself trying to rewrite history after it accused the courts of doing so when two successive court rulings found the song to incite racial hatred – findings in line with one already made by the Human Rights Commission (HRC) as long ago as 2003? These are questions that come to the fore from an investigation into the origins of the controversial song, "Dubula iBhunu". The truth seems to be that words to the same effect first were chanted in Pan-Africanist Congress (PAC) circles in the early 1990s along with their infamous slogan of “one settler, one bullet”. Shortly thereafter, the late ANC youth leader Peter Mokaba borrowed the slogan and began chanting his “kill the Boer, kill the farmer” version in 1993 after the murder of ANC and Communist Party leader, Chris Hani. In none of the sources on the origins of the song which could be identified, could any indication be found that the song has ever been part of the ANC repertoire of songs during the struggle days. Although the controversial song sung by Malema is claimed now to be a historical liberation struggle song, it was not included in a 2-CD history and recording of 25 freedom songs released in 2002. Senior ANC and former Umkhonto we Sizwe leaders, including Ronnie Kasrils, Baleka Mbete and Pallo Jordan among others, had collaborated in the production of the collection. At the time of its release, the CD set was described as a collection of field recordings of songs and chants used in the liberation struggle, complemented by a radio documentary providing an overview of the songs, their history and context in the struggle. These songs were sung in ANC camps, at meetings, mass rallies, demonstrations and other gatherings. The set, it was said, was designed as an archival and historical document. Nowhere did it mention “kill the Boer, kill the farmer” or “shoot the Boer”. All indications are that the slogan or chant and the song, or even songs that developed from it, originated with the Pan Africanist Congress (PAC). In August 1999, Thomas Ramaila told the Truth and Reconciliation Commission that he had been a PAC operative and had been influenced by what he called a PAC slogan, namely “kill the farmer, kill the Boer” to kill a farmer, Neville Rudman. Most of Ramaila’s testimony and his amnesty application were rejected, but his reference to the slogan was not. The slogan/song in any version was used first in circles associated with the PAC in the early 1990s, although the PAC never officially took ownership of it and, after the first democratic elections of 1994, distanced itself from it. At almost the same time, the ANC’s Mokaba began using the slogan in 1993 when the armed struggle for all intents and purposes was a thing of the past. In that same year, a large crowd of PAC supporters marched through Cape Town’s Kenilworth and Claremont suburbs, demanding the release of PAC members who had been arrested in connection with the massacre of 11 churchgoers at the St. James Church and chanted “kill the Boer, kill the farmer”, “one settler, one bullet” and “one church, one bomb”. Also in 1993, at a rally in Tembisa near Johannesburg, both Mokaba and a PAC representative used these or similar words in speeches to the large crowd. Mokaba reportedly also urged the crowd to direct their “bullets” at then president FW de Klerk, declaring that he hated De Klerk. To which the PAC representative added, “war against the enemy... kill them”. In March this year, a former participant in an August 1993 march (called “Operation Barcelona”) against increased exam fees in Cape Town, wrote in a comment to an article on the Internet, that he was among PASO (PAC student wing) students in the march who chanted “kill the Boer, kill the farmer” immediately before American student Amy Biehl was killed by members of that mob. In 2002, then president Thabo Mbeki, as president of the ANC, and in 2003 then ANC secretary-general Kgalema Motlanthe - who is now ANC deputy president - firmly and unambiguously distanced the ANC from any such song or slogan, saying it had never been, and would never be, a part of the ANC. No claim was made then that it – in any form - ever had been an ANC liberation struggle song. That is until now, when, in March this year, Malema began singing a generic version of Mokaba’s chant. Suddenly senior ANC leaders, among them secretary-general Gwede Mantashe, are claiming this to be an old ANC liberation struggle song that apparently never was sung to incite violence against white farmers or whites in general, but was aimed against the apartheid regime. Mcebisi Ndletyana, senior researcher at the Human Science Research Council - in another defence of the song and attack on the judges who ruled against its use in an article in "The Sunday Independent" - claims the song embodies black hatred of “whiteness”, but not of people of European descent... with a very wooly explaination of what the difference is intended to be. No documentary or other evidence could be found that the chant or related songs were indeed ANC liberation songs before 1993, when the liberation struggle was practically over and constitutional negotiations in full swing. The Mokaba chant of “kill the farmer, kill the Boer” was next heard in June 2002 at an ANC Youth League meeting in Kimberley, and at Mokaba’s funeral in Limpopo. The funeral was attended by prominent ANC leaders, including Nelson Mandela and Mbeki, and the chanting was stopped immediately. The Freedom Front lodged a complaint of hate speech with the HRC, which subsequently rejected it. However Mbeki, as president of the ANC and the country at the time, on 19 June of that year told Parliament: “Nobody in our country has a right to call for the killing of any South African, whatever the colour, race, ethnic origin, gender or health condition of the intended victim. Those farmers and boers are as much South African and African as I am...” In June 2003, the HRC, chaired by Professor Karthy Govender, assisted by Professor Henk Botha and Mr Khashane Manamela, heard an appeal by the Freedom Front against the earlier HRC ruling. In their decision, delivered on 15 July, they overturned the earlier HRC ruling and found that the slogan "Kill the farmer, kill the boer" as chanted at the ANC youth rally in Kimberley and at the funeral of Mokaba constituted hate speech as defined in section 16(2)(c) of the Constitution. What is even more interesting is that part of the record of submissions made to the HRC at the time contains a letter from Motlanthe, then ANC secretary-general, stating that the ‘’utterance has never been, cannot and will never be a slogan of the ANC, not used by the ANC at all.’’ The logical assumption then is that, according to Motlanthe, it was not part of the ANC’s liberation struggle heritage. Sorry for the huge post, just wanted to bring this to your attention,.

      Richard - 2011-04-19 09:02

      Well done, good article.

      Michael - 2011-04-19 09:10

      "The truth seems to be that words to the same effect first were chanted in Pan-Africanist Congress (PAC) circles in the early 1990s along with their infamous slogan of “one settler, one bullet”. You are exposing your ignorance hence morons like you think this song was popularised by Malema. I started hearing this song and have been singing it since mid-seveties. Back to basics and do your research. The sad thing is that it's ignorant people like you who misinform people and you do get support like other morons that congratulate you on this comment.

  • golferspal - 2011-04-18 15:07

    This just about sums it up !!!      Affirmative Action   South Africa is the only country in the world where affirmative action is in the favor of the MAJORITY, who has complete political control.   The fact that the political majority requires affirmative action to protect them against a 9% minority group is testament to a complete failure on their part to build their own wealth making structures, such that their only solution is to take it from others.

      Psalm - 2011-04-18 15:15

      * sigh*...No malaysia also applies affirmative action in favour of the majority Malay which also hold political powers. They have also been doing so BEFORE SA introduced AA in SA. I think you're deliberately spreading false information...

      REVO - 2011-04-18 15:22

      Couldn’t agree with you more, although we’ll give them the benefit of the doubt and add on another 10 years, we’ll see if it’s made a difference. Time will tell.

      Tamzien - 2011-04-18 15:23

      SA is the only country where the minority still owns the majority of the wealth. Unique problems require unique solutions. "Make your own wealth" my ar?se. The wealth stolen by the minority was only possible through legislated slavery. (cheap black labour)The hardest working people in any economy are the least paid.

      REVO - 2011-04-18 15:30

      @Tamzien, exactly the reason it took so long!! Don't start crying now because we evolved quicker than the black Africans it's not our fault!! That's the way evolution works, Explore new frontiers and conquer!! The Zulus did it, i don’t see the other local tribes complaining

      sceptic - 2011-04-18 16:05

      Oh Psalm. You are a biscuit!! You cannot compare Malaysia's policies with South Africa's! Malaysia practices a system of government based on constitutional monarchy! South Africa, last time I checked was a democratic country! BEE and AFIRMATIVE ACTION is not DEMOCRATIC!!YOU CLEVER TIT!!

      sceptic - 2011-04-18 16:07

      Oh Psalm. You are a biscuit!! You cannot compare Malaysia's policies with South Africa's! Malaysia practices a system of government based on constitutional monarchy! South Africa, last time I checked was a democratic country! BEE and AFIRMATIVE ACTION is not DEMOCRATIC!!YOU CLEVER TIT!!

      Psalm - 2011-04-18 16:38

      @ sceptic "You cannot compare Malaysia's policies with South Africa's! Malaysia practices a system of government based on constitutional monarchy" Hahahahaaaaaa!!!! Oh my word! Please go share your comment at Prime Time on SABC and e-tv. Please! Do you realise how STUPID your comeback is? Do you also know that ENGLAND is a Constitutional Monarchy? Malaysia, LIKE ENGLAND, holds democratic elections- duh, they even have a PARLIAMENT. What part of democracy are you too thick to grasp regarding parliametary elections in Malaysia and England? Is ENGLAND an undemocratic country, according your ignorant opinion? Gosh, you've just done what I thought that was impossible - lowered the already horribly low IQ displayed by some on this forum!

      burtfred - 2011-04-18 21:46

      Psalm, you sound like an anti-white racist. Even if Malaysia (WTF) also has AA that benefits the majority, this does not justify our racist government's policy of BEE. Two wrongs will never make a right.

      Psalm - 2011-04-19 08:28

      @ burtfred And you sound like an anti-black racist. Why do you sound so content with the dispossession of blacks and current economic inequalities. Honestly, burtfred, I do not give a hoot about whites who seem unconcerned about the effects of Apartheid. Get that? Furthermore, AA or positive discrimination is practised WORLDWIDE in favour of the disadvatanged. In SA, blacks are disadvantaged. Ofcourse typical whites in SA want us to believe that Apartheid did not happen, that economic oppression is a fiction, that the dispossession of black people is all imaginary, that they did not steal and murder. FIRST right the wrongs of the past, then we can talk. And no, calling black people "stupid, lazy, uneducated" (as your fellow whites here love to do) is not a good start.

  • Skottie - 2011-04-18 15:07

    Just replace the word Boer with ka**er ... with the same argument ... "The song bore no reference to an ethnic group, but referred to a system of criminals (that is how ka**er is defined in the dictionary)(racial oppression). Will the blacks be happy when the whites start to sing a song like that !?!?!?! I don't think so. This is a struggle song and the struggle is now something of the past (16 years in the past) surely it is time to move on and replace it with a VICTORY song !!!

      golferspal - 2011-04-18 15:32

      Maybe we are the new stuggle. We can because we have the intelligence and the means Lets get a LEADER !!!!!

      Siff - 2011-04-18 15:49

      The "K" word is actually an Arabic word meaning nonbeliever. Usually along with the word yahuddie meaning Jew.

      Together - 2011-04-18 15:54

      Quite offensive and silly, Skottie - the old two wrongs don't make a right concept? Rather, let's replace the gun in the song with a pencil and a claculator - the biggest enemy in this country is a lack of proper education. Kill ignorance, kill ignorance...

      supporter - 2011-04-18 16:33

      THESE PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS USE APARTHEID AND THE BOERE AS AN EXCUSE FOR THEIR OWN MISTAKES AND THE MISTAKES OF THEIR SO-CALLED NON-RACIAL GOVERNMENT. WHY WILL OR SHOULD THEY WORK IF EVERYTHING GETS HANDED OVER TO YOU ON A SILVER PLATTER???? WHITES MUST START SINGING KILL THE K%^^$R LETS SEE WHAT MALEMA AND THUGS WILL HAVE TO SAY

  • Slapper - 2011-04-18 15:10

    What would this Goose know about armed struggle? I doubt if he could even spell it? The song/Chant/Dirge is racist and inciting and has no place in South Africa.

  • FUBAR - 2011-04-18 15:11

    Malema was 12 years old in 1994, which means he was a snot-nosed little ass when the "struggle" he keeps on referring to took place. He does not have a right to use the struggle as an excuse to sing songs like this which DOES CAUSE VIOLENCE.

      shane.jacoby - 2011-04-18 15:31

      Just so you know, when Peter Mokaba sang the song first in 1993 due to the murder of Chris Hani, Malema was only 11 years old!!! What the hell does an 11 year old know of politics! He's a blood thirsty thug...

      MaLemmer - 2011-04-18 15:47

      Just like your typical Zim "war vet"! What a bunch of clowns!

      FRpower - 2011-04-18 15:49

      Agree'd in 1994 while still doing my Military service i witnessed first hand how the ANC and IFP behaved....like savages.Natal was under a State of Emergency and these two political foes were hacking and shooting each other at rallies. Malema was sitting under a tree up North eating a fricken orange and picking his nose,while trying to glue two pieces of wood together. He is a fat boy with a wooden spoon,just stirring all the time.

  • Phlegm - 2011-04-18 15:13

    I suppose singing a song with the lyrics "Eat chicken" and using your hands to act as if you are stripping the meat from the bones and then licking your fingers afterwards, does not actually mean you should eat chicken, it is merely symbolic of humans historical battle to find food................. Derek, you are the weakest link, f*&% off!

  • Kpt_Keyboard - 2011-04-18 15:13

    Derek Hanekom said the song "was not a call to violence, but was a reference to a period or a system where people took up arms". Shoot the boer means shoot the boer! huh, or am i nuts... its like 1 + 1 = 2

      Raymond - 2011-04-18 20:56

      If I can be called a boer,why can't I refer someone as a k?

      MathysTheart - 2011-04-19 14:46

      because youre white

  • bloodyagent - 2011-04-18 15:14

    direct translation for 'brrr pah' for wee J is 'bring pap'.....

      Dave - 2011-04-18 15:30

      government math = 11

  • juschase 00 - 2011-04-18 15:16

    why does Julius have a white Lawyer? should he be setting an example an use a black one? Isnt that what they promote anyway?

      Psalm - 2011-04-18 15:36

      Julius has a team of black advocates. I really don't know where you get your information from....

      BakkieB - 2011-04-18 15:38

      Agree. Should be applying the governments policy of AA. Explain that please trolls

  • Stella - 2011-04-18 15:17

    I am so sick of hearing about this bafoon. They are wasting precious paper to write about him. He is not worthy of anything!

      Looter - 2011-04-18 15:51

      take a look on his wiki page under eduction...its the only part that has nothing!

  • onetickie - 2011-04-18 15:17

    eTV no longer able to broadcast live from the courts on Hate Speech Hearing. Maybe someone has been tampering - sabotage????

  • Nick - 2011-04-18 15:20

    Ok so lets look at this one quick, the constitution allows for the freedom of speech, in that case, Malema should walk a free man, if he was picking up a gun or even supplying guns to have any Boers killed, he should sit in court till he rots in hell... but that is not the case, he killed not a single boer, he should be set free... However, in that case, we should all be able to stand up and sing Shoot the Politician's!!! Shoot the poloticians!!! and get disadvantaged folk all reved up over the current struggle, the struggle of political exploitation against every South African!! we can make machine gun noises too Brrrrrrrr Pha!!! Brrrr Pha!! Shoot the Polotician, no hang on, its freedom of speech so Shoot the president!!! Shoot the president, Brrrr Pha! Brrr Pha!!! hey who likes my new struggle song?!! its called Polo-Pha!!!

  • Julius - 2011-04-18 15:20

    The ANC are just a bunch of lying thieving thugs

  • Homo-Sapien - 2011-04-18 15:23

    One Malema, One Bullet. Draai sy nek om gooi hom in die sloot, trap op sy kop, dan is hy dood! Siembamba!

      Together - 2011-04-18 15:56

      Why would anyone want to shoot him and make an even bigger thing of this? If anything happened to him it would only benefit the legend he is trying to build. Anyone with brains wouldn't him at all - just let him speak.

  • golferspal - 2011-04-18 15:25

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMwRM7LIVKo&feature=related Check this video and see why they cannot run a nation. If it was not for the millions of uneducated masses voting them in they would be nothing. Now you have this moron of a malema that is enticing these lot with ideas of wealth from nationalizing mines giving them farms.We are the nation builders we must get a leader.Forward this video to all lets get a leader!!!!!!!

  • BernieK - 2011-04-18 15:25

    All the stupid f.... excuses of this racist party do not make any difference to me. The song is a song of hatred and should be banned. No excuses nothing of that sort. The ANC is a racist party and they know it pretty well. To get someone like Hanekom who is a white and a sellout means nothing to me. They just use him and Hanekom is a lame duck getting his salary from a racist party - he is too useless to get a better job. He is of the same genre as a speedcop - not good enough to do decent work - parasites of the extreme kind. The entire ANC party is one big parasite. Bloodsuckers and criminals - good for nothing. Useless socialists that belong to the Soviet era of thinking. NEVER EVER trust this party - NEVER!

  • kolobe - 2011-04-18 15:25

    "Afrikaner interest group AfriForum" what took you so long to refer to that group as such?was never a civil rights group

      Spyti K - 2011-04-18 15:46

      So Afrikaners are not civilians and citizens of this country or is it just that they don't have any rights?

      FerretGee - 2011-04-18 15:58

      And the ANC was never a political party, it was a terrorist organisation or, as you like to call them, Freedom Fighters. Malema has never struggled for anything in his life (apart from woodwork and other scholastic endeavours). Everyone refers to 1994 which was when the actual election took place but in fact the actual "struggle" was fought long before that, what they conveniently forget is that FW De Klerk realsied that the ongoing white dominance was fruitless, took the huge step of unbanning the ANC and other "terrorist" organisations, knowing full well that the grip of white power was going to be taken away. No-one is asking the black man to forget the past but common sense tells us that to continue spewing vitriol against each other helps no-one. And singing songs in any language in a public place or forum that supports the killing of another should be viewd as hate-speech.

      Ghost - 2011-04-18 16:12

      Kolobe: Jy's dof, F*kof

  • Verbatim - 2011-04-18 15:27

    This is getting to be a real clown show. Malema, jsut STFU and die please.

  • Bantu - 2011-04-18 15:27

    yaawwwn!!! can we have other news please, this 1 is over its sell-by date

  • nuclear - 2011-04-18 15:27

    "brr pah" repeatedly - BRILLIANT!

      Verbatim - 2011-04-18 15:41

      I have to admit, i lol'd

  • FRpower - 2011-04-18 15:29

    Who gives a crap about fat boy Malema ,i want to know where the hell Pikitup is. Im more worried about the rubbish than this toss.

      VIC - 2011-04-18 15:46

      Maybe thats the problem, Pikitup still on strike not collecting the rubbish, no wonder Malema and Winnie are still around.

      MaLemmer - 2011-04-18 15:50

      At least all the rats are in court, and not scrounging like usual!

  • David - 2011-04-18 15:33

    Is it not about time that our so called rainbow nation got on with making things better for everyone instead of wasting public money on absolute trash. Wether it be Malema, or anyone else they must not be allowed to create hatred by going back so many years, Malema himself must of been a child when the now ruling party of the ANC won the first democratic election in the country, who is this child to cause the nonsence that is going on now with the attributal cost of the circus, how many homes could of been built with the money being wasted in the court rooms and how can our government let people become in positions of power whom have no knowledge of any struggle apart from what their parents and grandparents have told them. It is like myself saying I hate Germans because they bombed the city where I was born close to seventy years ago, come on people of south africa whatever colour, creed, religion you are either pull together or you will end up like the rest of Africa a complete mess and then what will happen maybe even taken over by Chinese people whom I can assure you will be worse than the Afrikaner ever was.

      tarnoldmashao - 2011-04-18 18:48

      I guess you are the only guy who write sense in all, everyone is so stuck in the past with no hope to move forward and make this a better country irrespective of race

  • Badger - 2011-04-18 15:37

    The fact that this goverment is busy disarming it's citizens with crazy legislation and snotkop malema's songs are making sense. They are afraid of fierce resistence when their genocide are intensified. I guess we need to be always prepared for the worse. The fortunate thing is that many black south africans will not take part in the anc genocide of minority groups.

  • CheekySod - 2011-04-18 15:39

    The Americans say "Remember the Alamo", not shoot..... Why must Malema and the ANC chant "Shoot ......." The "struggle" is long gone. The chant/song is still calling for violence. There is no educational or historical component to the Malema approach to the song he created and now the whole ANC wants to make into their heritage. This court case is being tried in the jury of public opinion. Malema is extremely skilled at guiding his followers to the opinion he wants them to have. I don't believe the judges are able to present a non-biased and fair judgement any more. If they judge the song as hate-speech, the ANCYL will be in rebellion. If they judge the song as not hate-speech then they will effectively alienate the white population and place a stamp of approval on the race based politics the ANC is promoting. Malema created the situation where South Africa must now choose between two evils. I am glad I am not in the judge's position.

  • MactheKnife - 2011-04-18 15:42

    I cannot understand why he still goes on singing that song. Why doesnt he shut the f@ck and get on with life.

      Looter - 2011-04-18 15:53

      because he believes that everything the ANC does is done so through god and he also believes that everything he does cannot be wrong! He Julius after all!

      John - 2011-04-18 22:53

      The ANC knows nothing of God

  • lonaz - 2011-04-18 15:48

    ur hate for one man has translated into hate for all black people. Or have u all been supressing ur hatred and Malema's actions have given u a a chance to show how u truly feel.

      Orosman - 2011-04-18 15:59

      Hey Lonaz. You have hit the nail on the head. The black hatred coming out here shows the true feelings. Its not about Malema as there are many thousands like him. It is about wanting apartheid back and blacks in the kitchens and gardens.If you black or coloured and speak afrikaans you are not viewed as an afrikaner. you have to be white AND AFRIKAANS like in the old National party days.

      Stryder - 2011-04-18 16:33

      Would love to be there when they come for your daughters, although I have already worked out that is not a picture of you. The hatred is from blacks to whites. get it the right way round, whites aren't singing about killing ANYBODY!!

      Mad Hatter - 2011-04-18 17:21

      Wow ,there's a gross generalisation for you . I thought people were upset because a politician is chanting for the murder of afrikaaner farmers a.k.a call to genocide. I must be mistaken for it being an all afrikaaner hates black party although doesn't the song go 'shoot the boer ' , ' kill the boer' .

      Rev. H-Cubed - 2011-04-18 21:34

      Well, that is exactly what the upstart wants. The only reason to push and prod relentlessly at a sore point is to elicit a response, which then becomes justification for further misconduct. It's schoolyard bully tactics, we've all seen it.

      Raymond - 2011-04-19 14:03

      lonaz, personally i hate malema and all he standsfor, and any person who suports him. us whites don`t harbour resentment half as bad as you seem to. we have moved on but your gvt is now killing democracy and we hate that and the poisin it is pouring into our beautiful country. we hate that even though corruption is staring you people straight in the face, you continue to allow this gvt to steel from everyone. we do not hate blacks, just the corrupt (wish I could say few) gvt employees. not the blacks, just the ones blinded and brainwashed by malema and bent on ruining the future of this countries kids (black and white) would think you would feel the same?or are you one of the people I`m refering to?

  • karendb - 2011-04-18 15:49

    If by Boer they mean a regime then why don't they say so. Why do they make Boer and an oppressive regime synonymous? They are not and by using the terms interchangebly they are trying to imply that they are the same thing which is what is causing the racial hatred. To their gullible followers, if you mean oppressive regime and say boer then logically (although I'm giving too much credit here), the boer must be the oppressor so lets shoot him. Let all this rubbish go, forget the past and move forward instead of constantly looking backwards.

      multicon - 2011-04-18 16:12

      You got to look deeper into the soul of Malema and those like him. They are revolutionaries, they can only stay in power as long as there is turmoil. It is their modus operandi

  • slg - 2011-04-18 15:55

    But he's singing it today. There's no more armed struggle. Therefore he is inciting violence. It's hate speech. Hand down a strong, clear ruling and end this stupidity.

  • karendb - 2011-04-18 15:57

    Malema also said that no black has ever killed a white man!!! And the crowd he was addressing cheered. What they should have done is burst into fits of hysterical laughter or stoned him for telling such blatant lies!! Not have black people been killing white people for decades, both criminally and in the name of some or other cause, but the ANC has ordered hits on places where innnocent white people gather eg: churches. We have been robbed, murdered, raped and now oppressed by black people and they claim to be the victims!! When they are confronted with this evidence they claim that that was committed by criminals who happen to be black and yet when it is a black person who is the victim and a white person who does the crime it is always assumed to be a racial attack. Surprise, surprise people sometimes even a white person can be a criminal - but thanks for the compliment in assuming that white people are never criminals and must have some other motive for the act.

  • AndrewM39@24.com - 2011-04-18 16:05

    What I dont understand is Winnie Madikizelle-Mandela has been in court since the start of the hearing, is she not a member of SA parliament which is still in session ?? If that is the case why is she not attending to her parliamentry duties for which the tax payer is footing the bill.

      karendb - 2011-04-18 16:20

      Because she is busy babysitting the idiot child. She is also making sure she is favoured one day if Malema does by some evil joke, become the president. What gets me is that this horrible woman who has proven over and over how criminal and militant (which is a bad thing, for all those ANC supporters who think militancy is a good thing) she is, was married to Nelson Mandela who the world believes is a great peace maker and honest person. Something isn't right here? Either Nelson Mandela has pulled the biggest worldwide prank and made a joke of all those fighting for the rights of the "poor oppressed black people in Africa" or opposites really do attract - somehow I have a feeling it is the former.

      Rev. H-Cubed - 2011-04-18 21:38

      Karendb, if you recall, they separated soon after his release. I believe it is because Madiba was sincere in relinquishing hatred, and could not remain associated with a person who could not walk that path.

  • Dr.Ntsele - 2011-04-18 16:18

    The song has been sung since Mandela became a president... how is it a problem now?

      shane.jacoby - 2011-04-18 16:34

      OK, fair enough... This is a struggle song... Please explain what his struggle is? Think very carefully before you answer...

      Tired - 2011-04-18 16:42

      The point everybody is pondering about why are they still singing it? Are they still in a struggle? If they are who is to blame? The song suggest that its the fault of the Boer? And then with all the farm killings it just puts fuel in the fire.The white people don't sing apartheid struggle songs cause its not apartheid any more.If they do would it be ok for you?

      Mad Hatter - 2011-04-18 17:22

      Actually its been a 'problem' since it was sung.

      Raymond - 2011-04-19 14:12

      the song was sung becaus of apartheid and oppression, now it is sung to build hate against whites and instill fear in them. thats why it is a problem Dr....catch a wake up....

  • Dr.Ntsele - 2011-04-18 16:20

    but the song has been there since forever... why is it a problem now? *justAsking*

      shane.jacoby - 2011-04-18 16:37

      No it has not!!! It belonged to the PAC in the 1980's and was called "One setller, one bullet", then Peter Mokaba sang it in 1993 after the death of Chris Hani but changed the lyrics to "One farmer, one bullet..." THEN Malema changed it to "Kill the farmer, Shoot the Boer..." Another thing, in 1993 when Peter Mokaba sang it, Julius Malema was only 11 years old!!! Please tell me what an 11 year old knows of politics!

      shane.jacoby - 2011-04-18 16:41

      And so you know! Shoot the Boer means SHOOT the FFing Boer! It means exactly what it means!!! How can he be referring to a struggle that is no more? How can he be referring to the economy when all the government is run by the ANC? How can he refer to money when he himself lives in Sandton and drives a Range Rover, eats sushi off women and live's the high life? I'm sorry, but no one can defend him unless you have a hand full of cash he is paying you... He does not care about you or anyone but himself!

      VuyosWors - 2011-04-18 16:49

      Because now, farmers are being murdered almost daily! Are you really so ignorant?

      Mad Hatter - 2011-04-18 17:23

      Keeping slaves has been there since forever ...... why is it a problem now?

      Baldyman - 2011-04-18 17:28

      the biggest problem is that we are supposed to be reconsiling, and working on living together as one nation. why keep doing something if it offends some people? Clearly a large group of people, who are by the way, feeding this nation, are offended by the song. Mr Malema is supposedly leading the youth, and he is leading them on a confrontational path.Is that what black people want? more confrontation? more violence? more killing? You as a doctor should know the crowd pshyce. Songs like that incite violence and anger, why not sing reconciliation songs?

  • Tired - 2011-04-18 16:32

    I hope for the sake of Derek Hanekom that there is not civil war.We might point him to the world court as somebody that knew what they planned and under oath stated it is nothing to be worried about.

  • goyougoodthing - 2011-04-18 16:47

    What does this child know of the armed struggle, he was in nappies.

  • VuyosWors - 2011-04-18 16:51

    What armed struggle is fat boy reffering to? The few pipe bombs that they used to kill civilians? The cowards never tried to take us on during Apartheid. So really, what is he talking about?

  • QuestionSam - 2011-04-18 16:54

    Why is it that 17 years has past (a whole generation) and yet the whites get blamed? Apartheid was an issue - no doubt about it, but, hell, after 17 years it is still a reason for not progressing in life??? How many towns or cities were developed after 1994? (not townships - Towns, with services, infrastrcture etc) or do we still see the towns of Pre-1994? There is no "struggle" but yet the old boere "blame" is used as an excuse for non-development in a rich South Africa.

  • GATVOL - 2011-04-18 16:59

    So it is now alright for us to start singing our armed struggle songs too-Remember boytjie we were in a legitimate military fighting a real war on the borders,and we sang some songs about k***rs. So if you can sing,so can we!!!

      Gatvol - 2011-04-18 21:12

      Maybe someone should make a CD of those songs and sell them! We can use the proceeds to arm the Afrikaner community.

  • Orosman - 2011-04-18 17:01

    Hey Stryder. That is a genuine picture of me and the saying about coming for my daughters i heard when I was 15 and that is like 4 decades ago. Its called fear tactics. I never hide who I am when I make comments of this nature. I am proud to be a South African and helped in the struggle against the previous government of oppressors

      Johan - 2011-04-18 18:37

      Mr Orosman, so how about helping us getting this government fixed, I mean this is the government you helped put in place, with your struggle that is? Or do you think this government is doing just fine...wait don't answer that.

      clark - 2011-04-18 20:00

      - What is there to be proud of ? Nothing works in this place anymore since your anc took over. Liberals like you will be first in the crosshairs of the 'shoot the white 'campaign.

  • DenR - 2011-04-18 17:27

    The very convenient return to anti-apartheid songs calling for whites to be shot.. and their harping on ‘struggle songs’ as they were sung in the past, is not a reflection of how attached they are to the struggle, but an attempt to get the people to believe that all they have is remnants of the old order against whom their anger should be vented. In this way, the political elite sidetracks the people from singing about the current dislocation of water and electricity, the ruthless and violent evictions of shack dwellers, the vicious police attack on service delivery protesters, and the kleptomaniac proclivities of the new political and economic elites. It is a weapon of mass distraction.

  • John - 2011-04-18 17:36

    yah ye ol' dumb nignogs, keep singing "struggle songs" such as this, and the result is: http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/De-Aar-farming-family-found-dead-20110418

      Palian - 2011-04-18 18:29

      I see the page to the links been deleted. Methinks juju is being protected here. Be vigilant folks, be very very vigilant.

      Die Bees - 2011-04-18 20:40

      A family of four were killed today in De Aar which seems to be a family murder at first glance because a gun was found on the fathers lap. Him, his wife, and their six and eight year old daughters were shot in the head. http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Farmer-family-found-shot-dead-20110418

  • Dave - 2011-04-18 18:44

    Just shows his class, scumbag, no respect for the law, no respect for those who support him, he absolutely loves the limelight, loves the publicity, loves the idea of being in the news, loves the ego rush, he'll not love the same bullet he gets from some irrate dutchman who will do it for his 'vaderland' because this is going to happen, soon, I hope,

  • jacques.vermaak - 2011-04-18 19:07

    Nicely said by someone "Whether apartheid lasted 46 years, like the history books say, or whether it lasted 350 years, like some of the creative accountants in the ANC say it did, does it really matter? Why ruin your future because of your past? If YOUR life has not improved since the changeover, if YOU are still living in poverty, or in a shack, then there are two people you can blame: yourself and your government"

  • orgazmic - 2011-04-18 19:18

    makes me wonder who should be on trail for hate speech, Malema or all you racist whites, not all of you but those who are saying these nasty things granted, the ANC of today is not the Anc of yesterday, but if wasnt for the very same ANC, you guys wouldve been driven into the sea, this is our land, because we are all here living in it, but its actaully our land as blacks, and right now, youi're living in our land, remember that, our father Tata Madiba, challenged us to live in peace and harmony, we have honoured our part, its time for you to do the same

      SeanJ - 2011-04-18 19:57

      actually its not the "blacks" land. it actually belongs to the koi-san. so u are also just staying on their land. and lets think about wat was here before the whites came. up in europe they had sewaage systems and iron and stone house. before the white came here you had mud house and spears and skin shields with no infrastructure. if it wasnt for the europeans landing in south africa you would not have had any of that.. you must also see some of the comments from some black ppl on this forum. very racist aswell..

      cdnmoose - 2011-04-18 20:01

      Hate to disagree, but if it wasn't for the leadership of Madiba and not the " ANC" there would have been civil war....and don't think that the whtes would have ended up in the sea. THe deaths of the masses being told to attack the whites by their "leaders" would have been enormous. Ultimately as in any war, everyone would have been the losers. MAdiba saw the futility in all this and provided a better example. It's the Terreblanches and Malemas of the world that keep f&^%*!g up the world, and it's the average man and woman on the street who end up suffering. THe big shots shoot their mouths off and the average citizen is the one who pays. How about we make a law that anyone inciting hate, instigating war, or seeking to deny people their rights or services ....well they get to be in the front of the line...no exemptions, no hanging back...lead from the front......Yeah..I thought so...won't find these bozos in front of anything unless it's the gravy train.

      Lanfear - 2011-04-19 14:10

      No orgazmic, the whole of South Africa never belonged to the blacks. You came here as immigrants yourselves [from Central & West Africa] between 700-1000 years ago, and murdered, plundered and raped the KhoiSan people who are the only ones who can truly claim South Africa. They are the only indigeneous people here. And your new black ANC government blissfully ignore them and even insult them. What do you really mean with your comment? That the whites should just put up and shut up? That we are now the second-class citizens? That there is not and never will be equality? You guys conveniently forget all the positive things that your association with whites brought you. You only hammer on the negative. But I agree on one point, and that is that the white racists on here are getting my blood boiling. And the few black racists on here as well. Can't believe all the hate and intolerance that I read on here sometimes. Everyone also seems to forget when they say "look at Zim' etc. that our country has 4.5 million whites and another 4.4 million coloureds. Its not Zim and it never will be. You won't find it so easy to drive 4.5 million people into the sea you know. People tend to forget that Zim only had a few thousand whities. But nevermind, I don't want civil war at all. I want this country to work together and make a brighter future for all colours and cultures. Why is that so bloody difficult for people to understand?

      Raymond - 2011-04-19 14:51

      I`m sorry, to sound like I think You`re an idiot but it is intentional. this world is ours (white and black) the tiny fact that blacks were on this continent before our white forefathers arrived by boat does not mean that this continent ", but its actaully our land as blacks, and right now, youi're living in our land, remember that. your statement isd racist and stupid and that is why there is so many white people posting such filth on this forum because of stupid comments that you post. God gave this universe to His children, black and white, so unless you are not God`s child (I`m sorry if this is the case but then you should`nt even be alive or posting your stupid comment) get it into your thick head that the last thing you should think is this land belongs to the blacks CAUSE IT DOES`NT FOOL. It belongs to whites , colords, indians and blacks. you did not make this continent so don`t come and say it belongs to your people dumba$$. God made it for all his children, so do me a favour... SHUT UP! what else must we do dummy? do your work for you, study for you, go to school for you, have ambition and drive for you,wipe your bum for you????????? get your but into gear and do things for youself, stop blaming whites for your circumstances, your anc has been in power for 17 yrs now. honour yr a$$ man, stop looking for handouts!

  • Tom444 - 2011-04-18 19:42

    Act No. 4 of 2000: "Promotion of Equality and Prevention of Unfair Discrimination Act" contains the following clause: 10. (1) Subject to the proviso in section 12, no person may publish, propagate, advocate or communicate words based on one or more of the prohibited grounds, against any person, that could reasonably be construed to demonstrate a clear intention to (a) be hurtful; (b) be harmful or to incite harm; (c) promote or propagate hatred. The crime of crimen injuria ("unlawfully, intentionally and seriously impairing the dignity of another") may also be used to prosecute hate speech. WHY THEN IS THIS CASE TAKING SO LONG; THE PROOF IS IN THE 115 COMMENTS BELOW?

      maseratifitt - 2011-04-18 20:10

      Money Tom, money. So nice to sit around doing nothing, and getting paid handsomely to do it.

  • Zion - 2011-04-18 19:43

    So Malema and company claim they are referring to the struggle and all that hocus-pocus. The term Kill the boer obviously refers to the Farmer and Afrikaner section of this nation. A hypothetical question now is Would it be in order if Whites sang a song equivalent to "Kill the Caffre" We can argue we are referring to godless people - like myself - and besides the K-word begins with a K. I am sure the Afrikaners dislike the term "boer" in the context which it enjoys in the Struggle song. People who Kill the farmers for what ever reason are probably also godless. Zion Caffre Pay. Sounds lekker neh. Think about it.