News24

Malema supports striking miners

2012-08-19 07:53

Johannesburg - Miners and their families welcomed expelled politician Julius Malema on Saturday as he told the thousands who gathered at the site where 34 miners were killed this week that South African police had no right to fire the live bullets that killed them.

Malema, the former youth leader of the governing African National Congress, arrived as family members continued to hunt for loved ones missing since Thursday's shootings. Women said they did not know if their husbands and sons were among the dead, or among the 78 wounded or some 256 arrested by police on charges from public violence to murder.

"They had no right to shoot," Malema said, even if the miners had opened fire first.

Malema is the first politician to address the miners at the site during a more than weeklong saga in which 10 people were killed before Thursday's shootings - including two police officers butchered to death and two mine security guards whom strikers burned alive in their vehicle. He said he had come because the government had turned its back on the strikers.

Strikers complained earlier that President Jacob Zuma had not come to hear their side of the story when he flew to the Marikana platinum mine on Friday, cutting short his part in a regional summit in neighbouring Mozambique so that he could visit wounded miners in the hospital.

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Malema, who was expelled in April from sowing divisions in Zuma's African National Congress party, charged some top-ranking ANC members had shares in the Lonmin PLC platinum mine and implied that they had no interest in seeing miners earn higher wages. About 3 000 drilling operators at the mine, 70km northwest of Johannesburg, have been demanding an increase from the minimum wage of R5 500 a month to R12 500.

Malema called for Zuma and his police minister to resign or back the striking miners' wage demands - a call that brought cheers from the rally.

"President Zuma presided over the massacre of our people," Malema said.

When Malema arrived, the women ululated their welcome and men who had been sitting stood up and clapped. There were more cheers when Malema persuaded police at the scene to withdraw several hundred meters with their armoured cars.

South Africans are in shock over the killings. The police said they acted to save their lives after a group of miners armed mainly with machetes and clubs charged at them, and at least one miner shot at them.

Shock over deaths

Police responded with volleys of automatic gunfire and pistols.

The Lonmin miners live in corrugated iron shacks without running water or electricity. People like the strikers ask why their government, running Africa's richest nation, has not been able to improve their lot nearly 20 years after the ouster of apartheid.

The ANC's youth wing, which Malema once led, argues that nationalisation of the nation's mines and farms is the only way to redress the evils of the apartheid past. Zuma's government has played down those demands.

Britain's Foreign Office on Saturday supported Zuma's call for an inquiry into the shootings.

"We are shocked by the loss of life at the Marikana mine in South Africa and send our condolences to the friends and family of all those who have died or been affected," Britain's Foreign Office said in a statement. "We further welcome President Zuma's announcement of a Commission of Inquiry, as well as National Police Commissioner General Riah Phiyega's confirmation that the South African Police Service would co-operate fully with an investigation into these tragic events."

Comments
  • Lyndatjie - 2012-08-19 08:01

    *gasp* I am sooooo surprised....

      david.streicher - 2012-08-19 18:18

      the turd will support anything where the numbers are in his favor.

      matthew.swanepoel.9 - 2012-08-20 07:20

      Malema is NOT a politician, why are we still reading articles about him???????

      sheda.habib - 2012-08-20 08:15

      Instead of telling the miners to drop their wages so that the mines can employ the unemployed poor, that Julius supposedly fights for, he wants ALL the profits to be paid to a handful of miners (mostly foreigners)so that NO TAXES are paid and then the gov cannot pay out grants to the poor. The man is a born idiot...............pity he did not strike last week and lead the charge...

      greg.quinn.353 - 2012-08-20 09:53

      "They had no right to shoot," Malema said, even if the miners had opened fire first. I stopped reading right there. So it's ok for miners to shoot and attack with pangas, but no ok for the police to defend themselves. Mr.Malema, you sir, are an idiot.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-08-20 11:17

      It's so nice to see how much Malema loves the miners. I can't wait to see him in the front row at the next protest, holding a panga and storming the police with his brothers.

      thabang.bonang.7 - 2012-08-20 16:26

      Average ordinary miner's monthly salaries globally. Year 2005 figures. All salaries calculated after deductions. Australia - $5,061 (R40,488) US- $2,616 (R21,765) Germany - 1,862 euros (R19,067) Canada - $3,154 (R26,241) UK -1,494 pounds (R19,526) Lonmin S.A. - R4,000 = $480.70 Year 2012 salary. $1 = R8.32 1 Euro = R10.24 1 pound = R 13,07 Australian dollar almost same as US dollar. Source http://www.worldsalaries.org/miner.shtml You judge for yourself.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-08-20 16:45

      You can't compare salaries just because of the exchange rate numnuts. For example a good salary in my industry here in SA is about R25k for my qualifications and experience. In Europe a friend of mine is earning 4000 Euro doing exactly the same job, that's approx R41k a month.

      gerald.parker.9847 - 2012-08-20 17:09

      Hugh having Malema running down the hill leading the charge will be the best advert for Trotters Jelly with all the wobbling in front

      yrhonour.honour - 2012-08-20 20:04

      @Thanbang - the only reason I would imagine then for being paid more is because they are productive! not more productive - just productive

      stephanie.sutherland41 - 2012-08-20 23:35

      @Thabang- The Amount the miners in Australia (extra 1000) get is due to the fact that they would have to drive up to 4 days to reach a city of decent size. Northern territory mines have strict rules, and some are in Alcahol free zones, thus you may have to live in 50 degree heat and work in its for up to 3 weeks before you can go crack a cold one. These are some of the things those miner give up to earn that money. If you think you can do it, then apply to the Aus mines they need the skills. And life is a lot more expensive in Aus than you think, so don't put it 8 to 1, because its not 8 to 1 in Oz. Housing is around $400pw, Car rego yearly(car lisence) $630 per year, those little things that cost so much. Don't compare.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-20 23:35

      Thabang is right. SA miners are being exploited. No doubt about it. And the Lonmin CEO pays himself a globally-highly-comparable corporate superwage of R1.3 million a month...

      tw2066 - 2012-08-22 15:35

      Oh look, it's Julia's Malenama, and his side kick Fflooydd .... Let's see how they use these wekas to settle political scores... Yes, and let's see if the workers realize that they are being used ..... And ... Aw forget it, they deserve each other.

  • leaproach.thekeeper - 2012-08-19 08:02

    You go Juju. Split the ANC and do South Africa a favour!

      george.dinta - 2012-08-19 11:40

      And yet u say u hate Juju? kwaaa.... it is impossible to hate Juju

      bob.mcmillen.564 - 2012-08-20 09:50

      GEORGE,you support an absolute half wit, he states the police should not have opened fire even though the miners fired on the police, please explain the idiots logic here, does he really believe the police should have just been shot without returning fire ?, he is just a Sh!!!t stirring evil SOB.

      sean.carbutt - 2012-08-20 13:18

      @bob, don't worry about the retards, stupidity begets more stupidity. As for julies arse, shame, must be horrible going through life knowing that you are natures cockup and whats even worse, there are even more stupid people out there like george, who support him, eeeish.

      eon.rareearth - 2012-08-20 21:03

      Thabang, a friend of mine here in SA showed me an article where a position similar to his was being offered somewhere in Africa at a salary of $60 000 per month, which equates to R 500 000 per month. This I would imagine is probably 15 times more than he earns at present. Big question, should he storm into his boss’s office tomorrow and demand a 1500% increase immediately, or else he will leave the company. According to your logic, that is just what he must do.

  • douglas.reid.921 - 2012-08-19 08:03

    Cops obey Malema??? Just using the opportunity to be back in the spotlight.

      yrhonour.honour - 2012-08-19 08:11

      that is a worry that the police are taking instruction from Malema ...

      emilyjane.elson - 2012-08-19 09:37

      Wtf? Perhaps anybody who feels the need can step up and start giving orders..

      eon.rareearth - 2012-08-20 20:48

      A point that has not been discussed extensively is that of the Sangoma on the mountain. It is likely that he told the strikers that they could not be harmed by the police bullets and that they would just turn to water due to the sacred ritual he had just performed on them. I was dumbfounded when watching the video, how the strikers stormed unafraid towards a bristling wall of military automatic rifles. If this is all true, then surely the Sangoma must be held fully responsible for the massacre, due to the insanity he planted in the rioter’s heads.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-20 23:44

      And every day you have your own clergy fuelling your own beliefs in "the awesome power of prayer"... (Shall we sue them too when those prayers are not fulfilled?)

  • toiteyi.baradzi - 2012-08-19 08:04

    the salaries are too low . the killing is bad but this opportuinistic boy MUST be stoped . someone must clip his wings

      sonet.vd.westhuizen - 2012-08-19 08:58

      @ toiteyi.baradzi... I agree with you FULLY!! This opportunistic CORRUPT "boy" is the CAUSE of this ALL!!!. HE causes division, hatred, entices people to VIOLENCE and wants to overthrow the government?????? WHY is he NOT in jail for treason????? He preaches the NATIONALIZATION of mines and land grab and entices the youngsters to TAKE by force and to KILL by the SONGS he sings at every opportunity he gets!!. He is NOT a politician any more as he was SACKED!! YET news24 forever cover this boy's doings and movements!!! "Malema is the first politician to address the miners at the site during a more than weeklong saga in which 10 people were killed before Thursday's shootings - including two police officers butchered to death and two mine security guards whom strikers burned alive"... HELLO news 24 this idiot is NO LONGER a politician!!!! Why does the Police even LISTEN to him????

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-08-19 10:46

      I think you hit the nail on the head Toiteyi, there are better ways to fix our inequality, this opportunist will destroy our country, he has already done much damage, he must be stopped & soon.

      jaco.flemix - 2012-08-19 11:01

      They should actually tread him the same as the guys from the Boere mag trail as a enemy of South Africa because he is doing the same as what tey did spread hatred

      eon.rareearth - 2012-08-19 20:04

      In a way, I wish Malema would form his own political party. His actions are just so transparent. Wherever there is tension in the land, along comes the SUPER HERO and champion of the masses to their rescue. Winnie Mandela behaves in an identical way. As a populist leader, Malema's support would swell amongst the simple masses. In the process the ANC would become weaker and weaker, and lose a huge percentage of its support. As the ANC weakened a chain reaction of defecting voters would ensue. The ANC's power could be halved, and with two smaller parties, the possibility of an opposition coalition party ruling the country would increase. We could also sit back and gloat, as Malema stuffs up every constituency his party wins. A political scenario much improved on that where the mighty ANC presently pulls in close to 2/3 of the public vote.

      ganon.nhubunga - 2012-08-19 22:54

      Suprising the media & other people think he is doing a good job misleading the youth & the poor miners! We are in for torrid times, I just wish for once the ANC should be united & condemn this guy. He is so full of himself.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-20 23:47

      It's a free country. He's a free citizen. He has free rights to go where he wants, see who he wants, say what he wants. Within the bounds of law. And so do you. It's called "freedom". It's a good thing.

  • johan.steyn.127 - 2012-08-19 08:04

    Malema is a moron who is he? he is a nothing a wana be! the protestors drew first blood that showed the police force to what they were capable of they are barbaric they deserve what they got the days when criminals got away with everything and politicians and idiots like malema protecting them must stop.

      philip.allebone - 2012-08-19 09:16

      No my friend - Malema is NOT a moron, and that is the problem...

      gavin.lott.9 - 2012-08-19 10:47

      Philip is right!..like it or not. Malema is still very dangerous & the ANC know this. He's a power hungry pr**k..& cares only for himself & power!

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-20 23:51

      He is as much of a leader as what he is able to attract a following. If he fails to get followers, he's powerless. If many people follow him, he's powerful. And you don't need to belong to any "organisation" to attract a following -- if you can do so outside of any structure, you're powerful too. And you're not constrained by their rules and protocols. It's known as freedom.

  • kobus.jansenvanvuuren - 2012-08-19 08:04

    O shut your pie hole you dumb ass!!! I wonder what you would have said if the police did not shoot back and something like 50 officers lost their lives. would it possibly be something like this "SAPS is pathetic, how can they let something like this happen?"

  • carl.fourie.9 - 2012-08-19 08:07

    This dum arrogant idoit must be taken care of. His exploits the raw emotion of others and his influence can lead to another unwanted situation.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-20 23:53

      "Taken care of" means what? Are you making a death threat? That's a crime.

  • alex.gush.3 - 2012-08-19 08:08

    Just like a rebellious teenager!

  • etienne.odendaal.1 - 2012-08-19 08:09

    So Malema feels the police should just stand and be shot at....

      zahir786 - 2012-08-19 09:28

      "They had no right to shoot," Malema said, even if the miners had opened fire first. Siphiwo , EXACTLY WHICH part of that line did you not understand??? The no right part or the shoot? or the EVEN IF the Miners fire 1st?? Honestly How Difficult is it to understand?? Please Explain this to us all , If read soo many stupid comments from people like yourself, With no explanation, but a lying twist Please enlighten us!

      om.nom.nom.01 - 2012-08-19 09:32

      siphiwo... "They had no right to shoot," Malema said, even if the miners had opened fire first.

      lorraine.polson1 - 2012-08-20 08:58

      At the end of the day, the miners made their intentions very clear, when they came to the negotiation table with pangas, guns and knives.

  • standvm.nel - 2012-08-19 08:10

    HEADS MUST ROLL DOWN

  • douglas.reid.921 - 2012-08-19 08:12

    PMalema, Malema, Malema. What is it that the press will give this corrupt, ignorant, arrogant totsie so much exposure. Unless they have an agenda to see him back in power.

  • zwelethu.sabasaba - 2012-08-19 08:13

    And news 24 supports Malema.

      yolanda.dali - 2012-08-19 08:53

      Meaning what exactly Zwe, should News24 not have reported what Malema said, nc nc nc nc

      zwelethu.sabasaba - 2012-08-19 09:12

      News 24 is a very powerful tool to get intelligent reports to South Africans. Whatever Madam Malema says is stupid. They might as well reported what 5 year old think of the whole matter and their answers could have been heartfelt and intelligent more than those of Madam Malema

      Thabang - 2012-08-19 15:49

      And news24 readers love reading about Malema. Always topping most read and most commented.

  • siphiwo.maurice - 2012-08-19 08:13

    As indicated yesterday here, that the old guards have failed to give direction to this debacle, I still mantain that. After the first 10 people killed in the mines, we did not see even the Premier of that Province, coming to give leadership. We have not seen Ramophosa, who hold shares in this company, giving leadership and meaning, getting involved in wages..just a leadership guide. Even a fool would have seen that, more is to come here, yet nobody from the ruling order bothered. Also, Malema should go there only to give leadership guide and bringing the two unions to accept the noble cause of co-existing. In future, workers themselves should refraim from carrying dangerous wepons when on strike as that could make certain sectors, provoked and intimidated.

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-08-19 10:57

      We have a leadership vacuum thanks to Malema & Vavi who forced Zuma on us at Polokwane, we said Zuma was not fit to be president, but they said, we will kill for Zuma, now the ANC is being torn apart by this demagogue Malema, he pretends to care, but he is a snake in the grass. I would like to see the mine communities benefit from the mines, but at the same time the mines must remain profitable, they employ about 150 000 people, if we allow people like Malema to destroy mining in SA, all these people will be unemployed & the ecomony will suffer greatly, taxes will evaporate, investment will stop & we will become a wasteland, think people, we have to resolve this carefully, not violently. Malema is not helping & the ANC needs to wake up & start leading.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-21 00:20

      Nigel, unless you are personally a paid-up ANC member of a branch, and your branch officially delegated you to be their part of the ANC's electoral conference in Polokwane, you had no say whatsoever in Zuma's appointment. To claim that "WE said that Zuma was not fit..." is a nonsense. Outsiders "say" really means nothing at all because insiders simply don't have to listen to the views of outsiders.

      theo.dupreez - 2012-08-21 21:12

      Siphiwo is right of course. Who goes to a labour rally with pangas, knobkieries, assegaais and fire arms? Also, a story I am hearing more and more is that sangomas somehow assured the marchers that they would be safe. Isn't it time that somebody tells the people the truth about such reckless advice?

  • Sima1989 - 2012-08-19 08:16

    m nt surprized @ all

  • gerald.mphuthi - 2012-08-19 08:17

    And the photo used by News24, now Malema is going to accuse the poor white cop of single-handedly maiming those miners

      lara.vanrooyen.1 - 2012-08-19 09:19

      Yes, Yolanda dear, since they comprise the majority demographics of the 'force'. You don't like it when black people are shown in a bad light, do you? Racist b....

      philip.allebone - 2012-08-19 09:19

      @ Yolanda when the country is as racially sensitive as ours, then the answer is YES, else there will be far more violence.

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-08-19 11:01

      @ Yolanda, why not the cops were 99 % black, it is either poor journalism or totally insensitive or just plain incompetence, I wonder who was the editor, this person should explain this to us on this forum

  • janzanele - 2012-08-19 08:22

    you of all people shame on you.you cause all this nonsense that is happening in the structure,you've done division it's enough,now as you rush in there speak with the miners as you there or you know the other side of the story,get your facts straight you idiot

      stephanie.sutherland41 - 2012-08-19 12:52

      siphiwo - in a first world country they will ask you 3 times to put down a weapon and then they will shoot you. Just imagine charging at armed officers with the intent to harm, armed to the teeth, the day after killing 2 of their own, and 8 others bruttally (who of course in your eyes had no rights at dignity or life i suppose), and then expecting them not to shoot you. I am sorry but that is the most idiotic sorry excuse for stupidity as far as actions go. You don't storm armed police when you are armed, and people in a crowd are shooting at them, that defies good reason and is down right stupid. I feel for those families who have to live with the deaths of those 10 innocent people who were bruttally murdered by this crowd who showed no remorse of any sort, yet expect remorse and sympathy from everyone else.

  • thabo.swafo - 2012-08-19 08:25

    Why they didn't investigate or form that commission of inquiry before the killings to investigate on how thsese workers are underpaid?it's useless and funny now for them to do that kind of committment.It is clear that the likes of Cyril Ramaphosa and other polticians are having the shares at that mine.NUM thses days are just the window dressers and sell out the labouring masses.Zuma and his people must step down.

      madoda.monamudi - 2012-08-19 09:10

      I support u, Zuma fail to lead the Country forward he must go and his leadership.

      siphiwo.maurice - 2012-08-19 09:10

      Thabo, you hit the nail on the head. NUM, is a now a shadow of itself and must be dumped into the dust bin of history. They are all now sleeping in one bed with the ruling order, the very order that is clueless only making their families rich and all of their 'yes-bass'. They must vacate the office.

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-08-19 11:13

      @ thabo, if the ANC government had learned to govern in the last 18 years & if they hadnt become arrogant, selfish, corrupt & desperate, we would not be seeing this kind of situation, BUT, people like Malema & Vavi forced Zuma on us at Polokwane & now we are paying the price for this foolish politics, we said Zuma was not fit to lead this country, we have many social challenges, from poverty to crime to economic inequality, these challenges need good leaders to sort out, it needs to be done carefully & cleverly, blacks, whites & colureds need to work together to create a balance society, we dont need corrupt greedy politicians & we also dont need demagogues that use workers to incite hatred, violence & division. Where are the real leaders ?, where is the black led opposition ?, where ?, we need to find them, otherwise we will be like Zimbabwe sooner that we all realize.

      stephanie.sutherland41 - 2012-08-19 12:58

      @siphiwo - the mine belongs to foreign investors, so stop blamming white South Africans for everything. Lay the blame before the right door.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-21 00:25

      Malema and Vavi "forced" nobody on us. The duly-elected grassroots ANC branch delegates each carried out their appointed mandate and voted for the party presidential candidate their branch happened to prefer. And that candidate so happened to be Zuma. There is no coercion involved in arriving at a democratic decision. Someone wins; others lose. That's just the way it works.

  • alaina.nel.12 - 2012-08-19 08:25

    As long as malema and zuma take each other out.I have no problem if they take each other out.

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-08-19 11:17

      which is the better of the 2 evils, it is a difficult choice, I say we are doomed with either of them, the one is corrupt & weak & the other is corrupt, arrogant, ignorant, intolerant & dangerous. The only difference is that Malema would destroy the country quicker, if he ever got his hands on power, he would make Zuma look like Ghadi.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-21 00:26

      They'll take each other out. To dinner.

  • Forest Gump - 2012-08-19 08:26

    no surprise this thug would support any form of hooliganism

  • piet.hannibol - 2012-08-19 08:26

    Why the FK is the media still covering his rantings????????

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-21 00:28

      For the same reason that you are not only reading it but responding to it, I suppose?

  • tricia.sutherland1 - 2012-08-19 08:27

    in short - it is because of Malema these miners thought they could do what they did - he encites the people in a bad way and is not good for the youth - he is a c@nT.

  • Intell.Tk - 2012-08-19 08:27

    Malema is an opportunistic looking for his way back in tha ANC.... They've been quiet the whole week when ppl getting killed as well as police

  • iceman196 - 2012-08-19 08:29

    no right to shoot, you stupid idiotic fat uneducated clown, they murdered 2 police officers, other police officers were attacked with medieval weapons, NO RIGHT TO SHOOT SE GAT, WHAT AN IDIOT

  • zwelethu.sabasaba - 2012-08-19 08:29

    South Africa will soon be a knowledge country and fools like Madam Malema will have no stage to show off their stupidity. I don't think they have an equivalence of Malema in Japan's politics.

      Intell.Tk - 2012-08-19 08:31

      you said it mouth full!!!

  • Ballycan Mashabane - 2012-08-19 08:29

    Malema is a politician? My foot? Which political party does he represent?

  • Tman Mosiane - 2012-08-19 08:30

    Some of u here are puttin silly and heartless comments, all Im condemning is loss of lives, deaths of over 30 people is intolerable, would it have suit u well if it was ur father/brother. Those people deserv their rights 2 strike. SAPS could have used rubber bullets, thats all.

      zwelethu.sabasaba - 2012-08-19 08:36

      Would you use a rubber bullet on people who will butcher and burn you if they catch you? And the strikers guns have live ammunition, i also don't like it that so many lives are lost.

      charmaine.paterson1 - 2012-08-19 08:49

      You are the one being silly. If your brother was a policeman and these strikers had mutilated and killed him for doing his job, how would you feel? If you were facing a mob who were armed and you had a family at home what would you do? These were not innocent people on a march. These were vicious, armed people, some of them murderers. Is money really more important than someone's life? The strikers are being unrealistic and greedy.

      Erna - 2012-08-19 08:54

      They have a right to strike but not the right to murder cops or carry dangerous weapons.

      mcevasmile - 2012-08-19 09:10

      So u r sayin they should hv raised up their hands?surrender to the miners? Endanger their lives? If nt mistaken,cops shot on da ground,then ur ppl(as u support da behviour)ran 2 da bullets(as if dey had bullets proofs), n dey wer gunfire wen our cops hold fire,wer dd dey cum 4rm? Tl us@TMAN

      KeeperofChaos - 2012-08-19 10:00

      *facepalm* Tman, what would you do if people started shooting at you, throw water balloons at them???

      dorothyanne.sutton - 2012-08-19 11:03

      They can strike but they don't need to bring their weaponry with them.

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-08-19 11:24

      people deserve to strike legally, they deserve to strike peacefully, they deserve not to murder policemen, security guards & opposition union members, they deserve not to be mislead by opportunists, they deserve real leadership which is lacking, they also deserve fair pay, but this has to be negotiated not demanded with threats of war, intimidation & murder. The police are victims just like the workers that have been used by heartless Union bosses & opportunists that use them to further their own agendas. p.s. SAPS did use rubber bullets & water cannon, & only when they were charged & SHOT AT, did they return fire with live ammunition, thats all.

      alon.fisher.752 - 2012-08-19 12:10

      Their is a fine line between striking and violent riots, this action amongst many in common day to day toytoying is nothing but rioting, and if rioters are armed with pangas and fire arms and butcher cops and set security guards alight, while firing on heavily armed cops tragic situations like this are bound to happen.

      stephanie.sutherland41 - 2012-08-19 13:10

      Tman - No one denies there right to strike, but question the wisdom of doing so heavily armed and then killing other innocent people bruttally and expect to be heard. There is a big difference between striking and murdering people because you think you can !!! Those people had a right to life to, all 10 of them!!

  • kobus.hattingh.5 - 2012-08-19 08:30

    Adding fuel to fire and all for the sake of futhering his own opportunistic agenda and selfish ambitions.

  • Oscar KayGee Runtorture - 2012-08-19 08:32

    So what Uncle Malema is saying is that even if the miners were shooting at the poor cops, they were suppose to put down their guns and raise their hands and beg the miners to stop shooting? Wow! in my next life I'm gonna be MALEMA!!!

  • albert.t.bezuidenhout - 2012-08-19 08:33

    Reading this article it feels like everyone has lost the ability to think rationally about the circumstances of a particular event. Taking the whole Lonmin debacle as just another example of how people are driven by their emotions rather than using their rational thoughts to unpack a situation. I don't mean to sound cold, (and my condolences to the families of the deceased), but how is this a surprising occurrence of events from BOTH the mine and the striking miners perspective? If you show up to a strike with weapons, what was your intention when you picked it up and walked out the door? Actions speak louder than words and therefore people should think about all the relevant factors impacting on this situation before they start blaming mining companies or in fact the Government for "acting inappropriately". People in this country think that you should be entitled to everything because you went to all the trouble of striking. You do have the right to strike, and the right to live. Who gives you the right to take away someone's life who is just doing their job (referring to the burning of the security guards and the butchering of the police officers) when you show up with weapons and a clear intention. Stop playing the victim and crying at the graves of people who were not so innocent in all of the goings on at this strike. Once again my condolences to the families of the innocent deceased. If ever there was a relevant piece of literature it would be "Animal Farm"

  • qhesi - 2012-08-19 08:33

    I wonder if some unknown guy give speech same as Malema's, will u fools realize that those people hu r dead they were fightin 2 better their families' lives...u will agree or u just hate Malema wthout listening to his facts.

      jaco.flemix - 2012-08-19 08:51

      Qhesi,that is the problem he is using these people for his own agenda,swiping them up for another beeting,he has no facts just agenda

      mcevasmile - 2012-08-19 08:51

      If u dnt hv anythng better to say, cn u pls nt comment? U r missin the point. Wer wer he wen all ths hapend? Out of blue he wnt 2 b da little hero? On wat grounds? Insultn da presidency? Cme on, cum bk 2 reality

      philip.allebone - 2012-08-19 09:23

      @qhesi you are ignoring a great deal of the points being made to argue here. Most of the comments are not about the validity of the miners claims, but the fact that violence was used. Pay attention if you wish to talk with the adults in this umbiso.

      stephanie.sutherland41 - 2012-08-19 13:13

      Ghesi - That does not give them the right to kill 10 innocent people to get their way. Murder is murder and they committed violent and brutal murder on 10 people. They took away their own rights when they crossed that line.

      stefan.kruger.1297 - 2012-08-20 08:41

      To an extend I agree with what your saying, the only thing that white people like myself is worried about, is the fact that Julius is going to blame this on white people again... Here I am, 27year old South African male, grew up during apartheid, didn't know what it meant as a kid... and yet... I'm blamed for it everyday... The fact that Julius is doing this is making him a dominating leader, if only he would leave the whole racism thing, then his fight might be worthy... I mean, this is exactly the point, the ANC have been in charge now for years, and NOTHING changed... so who can they really blame but the ANC... Sorry to say, but its the total truth..

  • brandon.mccutcheon.56 - 2012-08-19 08:34

    If you look at the video of the shooting, you will see the cops were initially firing into the ground in front of them to warn them off but they chose to run into the gunfire as they were told by a sangoma that bullets could not harm them. Further, if you were one of the cops who witnessed the bodies of the two cops who were hacked to death, would you not respond the same? If the cops did not fire, what would have happened to the cops?

      mcevasmile - 2012-08-19 08:43

      Exactly, u hv a point hey. Nw ths maladaptive behaviour by malema is misleading em ppl in blvn da cops were wrng, nd afta he is dne wit em, he gna leav em jobless i tl u

      msibi.zenzele - 2012-08-19 08:45

      You've Said It All.

      david.thulani.98 - 2012-08-19 08:55

      The problem is we do not know ,who gave them order to shoot ,le'ts waits and see the commisioner of enqury to establish all .

      mcevasmile - 2012-08-19 09:01

      @david. I dnt thnk ppl hv da prob wit da inquiry, bt da little hero wu thnk he is as sweet as a bby's purity. He ws nt there wen da incident occured, nw he wnt 2 publish a sympathy book blamin wrng ppl? We all sad 4 da loss, bt ppl dnt thnk b4 they act, thats wat we do wen we follow wrng leadrshp of da likes of julius malema

      brandon.mccutcheon.56 - 2012-08-19 09:34

      At the end of the shooting you see an officer running to the scene and picking up a gun and bringing it back to safe quarters. Apparently the two dead cops' guns were also found with the deceased. So, there is no doubt that the cops were facing a crowd that could have killed them.

      velemseni.ngubane - 2012-08-19 09:36

      brandon der was one cop in front what if those miners were trying to get rid of him since he was showing to be a worria to them,it not like they were running to the cops lineand look carefully it only that one cop who was in front that killed almost 60% of those protesters

      brandon.mccutcheon.56 - 2012-08-19 09:50

      @mcevasmile. Not sure what his agenda is but I am sure it is about himself only. If you look at what he said regarding the triple increase stating that it is their right, he is making them believe that it will happen. Truth be told, it wont. Even with his plan for nationization, nowhere does he state that people will earn more. He does however say that more jobs will be created. Which is true, that is how communism works. Look at China and the former Soviet Russia, most people had jobs, but worked for a pittance (1$ a day). The only people benefitting were the architects of the system.

  • carl.lutzer.3 - 2012-08-19 08:35

    who pays for this oke criss crossing the country stirring sh*t ??

      salani.hulela.7 - 2012-08-19 09:19

      Your tax, like or not.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-21 00:31

      No, not your taxes. He's not on the public payroll. He is funded by rich benefactors who think that it might pay off handsomely if and when he rises to power and owes them some payback.

  • ceba.mlandu - 2012-08-19 08:35

    See what happens when you \leth'umshini\? I wish I was there with a machine gun as well.

      salani.hulela.7 - 2012-08-19 09:17

      One showerman is spearoff your a**********s dammit!

  • masixole.mqolo - 2012-08-19 08:35

    These guys don't deserve tears not at all they were playing with their lives like that they brutally murderd two police men I don't know how that gets overlooked the police had nothing to do with their unreasonable demands if they wanted to earn so much mone then they should of stayed a little longer in school I'm sorry for their families but let's not blame the police for protecting themselves Malema does not even deserve the attention he gets he's like a fly once you start giving it attention it will keep coming back President Jacob Zuma solved the problem by expelling him he deserves no attention in this matter that stupid full

  • carl.lutzer.3 - 2012-08-19 08:37

    Hi PF, same here ... mentioned newsss 24 in my mail and whala , deleted....

  • albert.t.bezuidenhout - 2012-08-19 08:39

    by George Orwell. Then Julius Malema. Where do I start? This is someone who is just as responsible for the political state in this country as the people he so often likes to blame for what ever happens. Who give him the right to call for any type of action, especially resignations when he couldn't even do his job properly when he had the chance. Malema appears on the scene just to rally up emotions and under a fake sense of compassion give his "support" to miners. How about we all stop picking sides and look at the situation form an objective point of view, and if you are unable to do this, then you should refrain from getting involved. I mean really now, are people so clouded by their emotions that they are unable to see how they are being manipulated by this man? Everyone has the right to freedom of speech and expression, but sometimes I feel like they should include a restriction on stupidity.

      mcevasmile - 2012-08-19 09:44

      I could not have said it better than that

  • Erna - 2012-08-19 08:43

    The biggest mistake the anc made was to expel malema. His following is as big and he can now say what he wants without repercussions from the anc. They can't stop him from campaigning against zuma at all now, so in actual fact they have give him more power as an 'independent'!

  • hleketanitrevor.baloyi - 2012-08-19 08:43

    Really our government is misleading us,usually they like to act when the situation is very bed 34 people died in marika who must take a responsibility now,,I support the strikers is very painfull to generate more than 65 millions a week and earn R3000 a month,this our country we rather suffer with our minerals if this investors they don't want to co-operate,its been a while suffering with investors because of their exploitation.

      zwelethu.sabasaba - 2012-08-19 08:53

      Job is job, what happens in the corporate world if you're not satisfied with your job? You quit or negotiate. In China most people work twice as hard and earn less than the miners thats why their economy is booming and their unemployment rate is low

      salani.hulela.7 - 2012-08-19 09:01

      Job is job,wtf is that?

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-08-19 11:30

      Ok why not lets get the facts, how much do they really earn is it R 3000 like you say or is it R 5500 like others say, is this after medical, pension, tax etc, or is this the total package, can someone who is an expert please give us the facts, so that we can stop speculating, If they are paid badly then something needs to be done about it, but they must stop their violence, if they are paid fairly then the unions are to blame, lets get facts before judging ......people

  • stephan.bester.14 - 2012-08-19 08:43

    this malema rubbish is inciting the miners. He should be charged for murder, not the cops.

  • jaco.flemix - 2012-08-19 08:44

    Why did the police not arrest him,he has been sitting behind this hole moles making promisses and sweeping them up,and then he goes and make more trouble again, he needs to take account for the deads of every one killed there and not the Police service

  • Harold Chisimba - 2012-08-19 08:45

    Viva Malema for presidency! Oo yes! President for idiotic and indolent dudes let alone grabbers and hooligans.

      salani.hulela.7 - 2012-08-19 08:57

      Go back to zim!! Foool!!!!

      Shonisani - 2012-08-19 09:01

      You Chisimba(zimbabwen) you should have taken this oppotunity to try and solve the polotics in Zim. R u just commenting cause people r commenting? You will go back to Zim soon

      salani.hulela.7 - 2012-08-19 09:07

      Very soon shoni very soon, this bustard know nothing about drilling a rock for the whole 12hrs and end up getting 3000 at the end of the month.

      Harold Chisimba - 2012-08-19 09:12

      @ salani and shonisani, Should Irespond to your mischieviously blasphemous comments?

      Shonisani - 2012-08-19 09:22

      Pls dont bother to answer me Chisamba.Save your energy ,cause it wnt change anything. You dnt belong to this space. Google Znpf

      boulvy.selala - 2012-08-19 09:28

      La phapha lekrikampa le..If u want to b an Activist go join ZanuPF or MDC..Ska tlo re potela mo

      Harold Chisimba - 2012-08-19 09:32

      @shon and his oafish dude, Yebo you are indeed right.Because you must go to the nearest doctor to replace MUCUS with HUMAN BRAINS which is in your f* ** *g pathetic and weightless skulls.Then certainly you will be able to choose good leaders.Haa haaaa where is my castle larger?

      Harold Chisimba - 2012-08-19 09:41

      @ boulvy Oo no wena siphukuphuku! Wipe your mucus dangling down your nose. Spitting !

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-08-19 11:36

      @ salani & shonisani, Boulvy, the irony of this is that he comes from a country that has done exactly what Malemea (whom you appear to support) is trying to do, & he knows how that worked out from personal experience, so instead of insulting him with intolerant zenophobic comments, why not learn from his experience & debate\discuss the problems.

      alon.fisher.752 - 2012-08-19 12:21

      Salani & Shonisani- Harold knows the hardships and failures of nationalisation and land grabs(which your hero Malema advocates BTW) Why do you need to resort to petty name calling, take the time and listen to someone who knows from personal experience instead of spouting constant drivel, it's your type that aare brainwashed into supporting Mugabe prototypes leading everyone else to suffer, infact if you never adored Mugabe so much Harold could have been living a normal life in Zim, yet you glorify Mugabe and co-than cry foul about Zim expats?You both are truly pathetic.

  • michael.rampatla - 2012-08-19 08:45

    The only president I recognise is Malema, the rest are nothing inside the dustbin in Zuma

      sekalf.nroc - 2012-08-19 09:10

      yeaah, president of the donkey delegation - follow the herd - nerd

  • dave.willard.79 - 2012-08-19 08:47

    \\\They had no right to shoot,\ Malema said, even if the miners had opened fire first.\\ - so wtf were the cops suppose to do - go home and leave the angry protesters to loot and burn and kill. You @$$wipe

  • bmakanya - 2012-08-19 08:54

    Feeling sory 4 d minerz and police officers wh lost thr live.To the familiez may God be with u through ths difficult time.

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-08-19 11:38

      they are the victims, the ones in the middle, while the greedy political bosses watched from the side

  • flinkjon - 2012-08-19 08:54

    Your name calling and indignation will not bring the pieces together.Focus on yourself and see the vomit all over the place.We know these mines been controlled by people that cannot even relate to the needs of the poor anymore.Corporations put up to have more control of the poor. Privatization set up only by the filthy rich to control the markets for their own benefits. No wonder the worker that build the country feel the only solution is not to fear death.

  • maria.ferreira1234 - 2012-08-19 08:54

    Malema is good at stirring, and yet he has nothing to offer. Why were the strikers armed? I bet the weapons used were illegal.\r\nPolice need to restore law and order. If it means killing a few, so be it......

  • FinalJustice - 2012-08-19 08:56

    Reading between the lines in the comments to this story, I have to say that I think people of SA are starting to realize that colour/race are not at the forefront of these events - But rather the power of political propaganda and the way common people are influenced to become the pawns in their political games, and we are getting sick and tired of it!

  • Andre - 2012-08-19 08:58

    It is disgusting that News 24 portray a White policeman with bodies of black miners killed in the background. There were but a handful White policemen among hundreds of Black officers. It was Black policemen who gave the initial orders to shoot (in self defence). However it was White policemen who ordered to cease the firing. The picture portrayed here is that the Whites are killing the Blacks! Nothing is said about the sangoma who told the armed miners that they need't worry about the police because their bullets would turn into water when fired at them! Nothing is said that reporters were sent away by union activists just before they charged the police fully armed with the words "go now before the blood runs". Nothing is also said that many miners were forced to participate against their will and were issued with pangas and spears by NUM members. This is called one sided reporting by a liberal press that want to portray the cops as the bad guys and the blood thirsty miners as the good guys!

      zwelethu.sabasaba - 2012-08-19 09:03

      Please, stop interpreting everything with race. Was the camera man supposed to chase the police men in the photo and ask for another race police men to pose for the picture?

      ratsaka.eugene - 2012-08-19 11:34

      I saw the footage, all of the rifle firing policemen were white. The inquiry will prove it anyway, but sir, news24 is always anti-black, but on this one they would have needed to beg an off_duty uniformed black officer to pose for a pic. Get the footage, watch it closely like I did, then you'd realize that you are making a fool out of yourself. The firing squad was white sir, News24 is not making up stories.

      alon.fisher.752 - 2012-08-19 12:24

      Ratsaka are you brain dead man?Seriously dude, you know for a fact that there were mostly black cops involved, and besides what makes you think an enquiry will go to seek out the race of the cops involved?

  • lawrence.mabasa.39 - 2012-08-19 08:59

    malima,surely u will be stupid for the rest of your life.u trying to hijeck this strike to be a political matter.what do u say about the killed police officers and security officers?

      alon.fisher.752 - 2012-08-19 12:26

      He feels he hit the jackpot now, and hopes he can secure his wet dream of nationalisation and land grabs.

  • johann.serfontein - 2012-08-19 08:59

    How did anyone think having mr \mine-nationalisation\ on the scene was going to calm the situation down?? Fact is that mine management cannot concede to the demands of workers at this stage anymore, otherwise it will set a presedent and we will NEVER have a peaceful wage negotiation in this country again. If violence is rewarded, that is all we'll have in future