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'Malema wants to turn soldiers on state'

2012-09-12 10:02

Johannesburg - Expelled ANC Youth League leader Julius Malema seemed bent on turning soldiers against the state, Defence Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula said in an SABC radio interview broadcast on Wednesday morning.

"You can't just go on and on and on, and be going around mobilising funeral gatherings and agitating people to become ungovernable," she said.

She was reacting to Malema's plans to address members of the SA National Defence Force in Lenasia, Johannesburg on Wednesday.

"What are the consequences? I wish I knew. What I do know is that any responsible citizen in South Africa cannot associate him or herself with a person who wants to agitate and mobilise members of the SANDF against the state because they have concerns," said Mapisa-Nqakula.

‘I don’t see what value Malema will add’


SANDF members should use the current structures in place if they wanted to raise concerns.
She said it was not clear in what capacity Malema would address soldiers.

"I do not know and I don't see what value he is going to add in trying to resolve their problems. I don't see in what way he can do that."

The minister said Malema had been "instigating people" in the past few weeks, in an apparent reference to his address to mineworkers at the volatile Lonmin Platinum mine in Rustenburg, and, more recently, his call to Gold Fields miners to strike until National Union of Mineworkers leaders step down.

Forty-five people have died at Lonmin mine in Marikana in labour unrest in the past month.

Consequences

"It cannot be allowed to happen in the SANDF," said the minister.

"It cannot be that we allow an ordinary citizen to stand up and want to instigate and want to agitate members of the SANDF, which is what has happened in Marikana, which is what has happened in the mining industry amongst those workers.

"It's not acceptable, it is wrong, it is incorrect and it is not going to be right. My view is that they are all traits... they are all indications that this is counter-revolutionary, I'm sorry," said Mapisa-Nqakula.

She warned soldiers attending the Malema address that there would be consequences if they did not report for work on Wednesday.

"Our memory is very short and we would probably have forgotten where we come from. People died for this freedom... people died for this country, it's been very, very costly.

"I think it is too risky for anyone who wants to agitate members of SANDF to turn against their own government because they have concerns - because effectively that is what it means.
"Judging by what he has been saying in the past few weeks, that is exactly what it means, that people are going into a meeting to agitate members of the SANDF and I'm saying no, it can't be correct."

The Friends of the Youth League said Malema would address the soldiers after being invited by them to listen to their grievances.

Comments
  • mmangaliso - 2012-09-12 10:08

    fire every soldier who goes there

      richard.hipkin - 2012-09-12 10:25

      Fire ON every soldier that goes there, this is paramount to treason and mutiny..

      heathway.master - 2012-09-12 12:24

      How can I as a SA Citizen any longer have respect for the ANC Government or its figurehead only leader. Imagine putting the countries military on high alert for a moron with the thinking capacity of a dead sheep. Surely the Government and its leader have the power to arrest and imprison this man for life. Please tell me where else in the world that an upstart like Malema could instil such mortal fear and complete inactivity in the Government of the day. The Governments present inactivity in the face of the destructive Malema mindset buggers all human belief.

  • leigh.legonidec - 2012-09-12 10:10

    How is that an "ordinary" citizen can address the military?? Surely this is incitement to violence, mutiny..treason???? (punishable by death in some countries)

      conrad.marshall - 2012-09-12 11:05

      it's sedition - sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that is deemed by the legal authority to tend toward insurrection against the established order.

      linda.smit.142 - 2012-09-12 11:09

      who give him the platform to get his messages through?. You dont go to a streetcorner and say these things? Someone is sitting behind him and use him as a tool to get the message out!!

      maria.roth.589 - 2012-09-12 12:48

      Treason?

      BruceRSanderson - 2012-09-12 13:35

      Exactly!!!!

      jaded.oldfart - 2012-09-12 18:36

      but he's got a beret - doesn't that make him a soldier? :-)

      mark.wiercx - 2012-09-12 20:49

      dammit! all those months wasted on basic training, officer's course, weapons training, etcetera, and all I needed to do was buy an ill-fitting beret and develop a boep...

  • ken.rowe.509 - 2012-09-12 10:10

    Malema should be arrested and charged with sedition.

      rowan.clark.10 - 2012-09-12 12:54

      He is just adding on to the long list of young people who are part of the lost generation. They were used for the struggle and are now see any agitator as a leader .

  • nicolaas.geldenhuys - 2012-09-12 10:10

    The longer he lives, the more doomed this country is.

      klipkop.degroote - 2012-09-12 12:03

      ja man, KFC please offer him free nationwide bottomless chicken so that he can clog his arteries and get a heart-attack or stroke pronto.

      francois.vanderschyff - 2012-09-12 12:36

      @ klipkop, I dont thing such a stroke of luck can happen in our day

  • nads.delange - 2012-09-12 10:10

    This is treason, plain and simple, planning to make a country ungovernable is treason!! Throw his ass in jail, he needs to lose some weight.

      juan.prinsloo.750 - 2012-09-12 10:12

      He can share a cell with the Boeremag

      vicker.man.3 - 2012-09-12 10:25

      No he must rather share a cell with 160kg Bubba who hasn't felt the comfort of a soft body for a decade or 2...

      arthur.hugh - 2012-09-12 17:32

      Not sure if Bubba and fatboy could fit in the same cell.

  • DJPotifar - 2012-09-12 10:11

    Hopefully he is scratching the wrong lion's balls and will get bit this time.

  • johan.r.erasmus - 2012-09-12 10:11

    Don't we already have people tried and found guilty of treason, recently? If plotting to overturn a govt. amounts to treason, then surely Malema's actions here amount to the same?

      DJPotifar - 2012-09-12 10:13

      True words. Incitement is the wrong term here.

      fussed.anderson - 2012-09-12 10:33

      Two laws one for us and one for them

      maria.roth.589 - 2012-09-12 12:54

      There is a difference between the State and government. The constitution is what safeguards the state even from the government. He is attacking the state that's the difference.

  • Ze Don - 2012-09-12 10:12

    How does a civilian gain access to a military base? If he does manage to turn even one SANDF member against the state, it's a clear-cut case of treason... hope he enjoys C-Max!

  • Erna - 2012-09-12 10:12

    Perfect opportunity for the president to show his leadership abilities - let's see what he does! Any bets? I say nothing.

      chuck.farley.104418 - 2012-09-12 11:29

      I bet you my house, car, wife and next door neighbours Yorkshire Terrier that he goes Ostrich........

      frederick.frier - 2012-09-12 12:31

      He hasn't got any!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      maria.roth.589 - 2012-09-12 12:58

      Not acting against Malema in this regard is grounds for impeaching the ANC government I think. Their lack of action would be endangering the state.

  • customdesign - 2012-09-12 10:12

    Well said, I hope other powers in government say no too!

  • mariuskowie - 2012-09-12 10:13

    What Malema is doing is comparable to the Boeremag. They were found guilty for treason. Why is Malema still walking free? Should the same laws not be applicable to him?

      mirrorman.smith - 2012-09-12 10:30

      Alas, it appears not... Sigh... Does the governemnt not have the cahoonas to take a clear stand agaist this imbecile?

  • juan.prinsloo.750 - 2012-09-12 10:14

    This is an eye opener now we realise just how fragile our democracy and peace really is,

  • giuliano.loddo.3 - 2012-09-12 10:16

    this idiot should not be able to address anyone , let alone soldiers . lock him up and charge him for mutiny , but this wont happen as there are very powerful people backing him so they can get into power and cause more damage to our beauitiful country.

  • Sonnyjakes - 2012-09-12 10:16

    We have "boeremag" treason, what do we call this. The "boep maag" uprising seeing he has such a nice paunch? Would make a lovely pot belly replica?

  • shelley.vorster.9 - 2012-09-12 10:17

    One silver bullet should do it - right between JUJU's eyes I suppose he will blame apartheid for it - somewhere along the line he will find some reason to

      dave.gray.549221 - 2012-09-14 09:03

      Would probably richochet off that hard head and kill some poor innocent person

  • clifford.smith.za - 2012-09-12 10:17

    The Boeremag are presently on trial for just thinking and talking about overthrowing the government. Now this pinhead (cannot mention his real title on a public forum) comes along ang wants to do the same. Lets see if he also stands trial for treason.

  • bob.small.7547 - 2012-09-12 10:17

    That is treason...what the hell are we waiting for!! It seems the whole ANC government can’t stop one little fat pig!

      rkrudolph - 2012-09-13 06:40

      Bob, don't insult PIGS, they make Good bacon....LoL

  • william.jena1 - 2012-09-12 10:19

    When you start or furn a small fire never think it will remain small.I think Julius should have been stopped during Thabo Mbeki era.The people who where supposed to stop him,encouraged him to go on>Now he is a real problem to those that where encouraging him and they dont have any solution in place for him.I say sit down with your problem before it costs the country a fortune.

  • stefan.vanderspuy - 2012-09-12 10:20

    So how many soldiers will mobilize, 10 or 12? (The rest are asleep, AWOL, or not interested).

  • mark.haupt.31 - 2012-09-12 10:20

    The consequences are very, very foreseeable, just not to you it seems. The question is for how long you are going to allow him to continue on this path. Are you going to wait for a coup?

  • Erna - 2012-09-12 10:20

    Isn't what he is doing treason?

  • Rabbler.Rouser - 2012-09-12 10:20

    Just arrest him for treason. He can then wallow in jail for years before he faces trial.

  • mmangaliso - 2012-09-12 10:20

    every soldier who goes to meet\r\nwith julius is guilty of high\r\ntreason HIGH TREASON! THERE IS\r\nNOTHING IN JULIUS'S MIND BT\r\nWAR IM TALKING CIVIL WAR THESE\r\nARE THE EARLY SIGNS BE WARNED!

      ruben.opperman.9 - 2012-09-12 10:31

      i am so glad someone is seeing the real move behind this, remember they will make the country ungovernable and then take over, they are going to spread the armed forces thin all over the country and then strike where they want. This guy is not stupid, I take my hat off to a very very good strategist, the country is going to burn while the elitist mob that runs this country is having tea parties. Would love to see how many people die before this boy is stopped in his tracks, and all this for money.

      yolande.boshoff - 2012-09-12 11:02

      I think the government is scared to take him on as it will cause more violence from his supporters.

  • Hemlock - 2012-09-12 10:20

    This cretin should be expelled...FROM LIFE!!!!! High treason, he is a traitor. Another bloody Idi Amin in the making!

  • marc.rule - 2012-09-12 10:21

    Will someone please shut this thing UP

  • connie.mlonyeni - 2012-09-12 10:22

    why cant this government arrest Malema??? i just fail to understand. he is instilling voilence among south africans and there will be civil war sooner than later if this matter is not attended to urgently..just watch the space.

      timothy.tanzer.5 - 2012-09-12 13:12

      Because he has too much on them with regard to corruption... he will take them all down with him.

      lionel.defrontignac - 2012-09-12 13:47

      I wouldn't worry about this buffoon; they can't even organise a youth fest - as for the SADF? Useless bunch.

  • richard.zanner - 2012-09-12 10:22

    He clearly is intent upon destabilizing the country. First get all the miners to strike so we have no more mining to export and this will bring the country to its knees economically. Now take control of the Army is the obvious next step. In two moves he has taken control of the economy and the army and suddenly you have a forced takeover of the country while you sleep. Malema is not clever enough to work this one out so he must have advisers who are interested in taking over the country. My belief is that this situation is threatening us all in a way that Zuma seems not to have understood and that is why he is so silent on the issues and does nothing or maybe there are other dynamics involved e.g that he has been offered a huge golden handshake to shut up and get out. I smell a revolution on it's way which will destroy what remains of this country. The economy cannot survive it. Surely one expects the Government to step in at this point and do something but alas this is Africa. Everything is done by force and civil war. Democracy in the constitution is a joke. Africa does not understand democracy as Africa by it's nature is a Continent of dictators.

      kent.paulsen.79 - 2012-09-14 09:56

      @ Richard. The so called third force??

  • sizwe.wesley1 - 2012-09-12 10:22

    malema wants to start a civil war ....this guy must be stopped because he is just pushing his political agenda

  • IcemanGP - 2012-09-12 10:22

    The boy child needs to be shot.

  • derek.wright.7370 - 2012-09-12 10:24

    Arrest his him and charge him with treason, sedition and formenting violence! He is a danger to the country and uses those of lesser education to drive his agenda which I am sure is to keep him out of jail for corruption.

      Nadine Van Rensburg - 2012-09-12 10:29

      i agree 100%...He has created nothing but violence and hate for this country!!

  • dorino.treccani - 2012-09-12 10:24

    So Minister, now that you as an official representative of SA conclude this to be unjust "It cannot be allowed to happen in the SANDF," said the minister... What actions can you take legally to put your money where your mouth is ?

      mirrorman.smith - 2012-09-12 10:33

      Send him to a political rehabilitation centre? Take him by the hand and say 'Now, now, you can't do that'? Slap on the wrist? Who knows.

  • petrus.ngwenya.3 - 2012-09-12 10:24

    This is a good thing. Malema is standing up, going head to head with the goverment. Maybe, finally, one of them will lose, and be anihilated. Unfortunately, it seems Juju has the advantage if the WHOLE SANDF is going on high alert because of one meeting. When this is over, the next 20 years for South Africa will also be easy to predict.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-09-12 10:27

      It will be over when there is nothing left for anyone..

      lionel.defrontignac - 2012-09-12 13:49

      SANDF on high alert? A contradiction in terms...

  • mirrorman.smith - 2012-09-12 10:25

    Why has it taken such a long time for the governemnt to speak up??

      Andrew - 2012-09-12 10:49

      government are the people,not a minister!

      mirrorman.smith - 2012-09-12 11:06

      Andrew, agreed. But the minister is part of the group of people that are supposed to represent the people.

  • Blackpoison - 2012-09-12 10:25

    Isn't trying to turn troops against the state seen as a Coup d'etat? And isn't that seen as high treason punishable by fire squad? Or does that only apply to Boeremag members? Just asking.....

      IcemanGP - 2012-09-12 11:07

      Only if ya white, sad to say.

      matla.motso - 2012-09-12 17:30

      To answer your question: yes :-)

  • hardy.mashapa - 2012-09-12 10:25

    south africa must take firm actions against that small boy(malema)be4 he is to turn the country into another zimbabwe.

      veritas.odium.paret - 2012-09-12 10:51

      Or worse, another DRC or Somalia. I show hope we don't join the African Civil War-torn Countries Club.

      galmzala - 2012-09-12 11:31

      only solution hitman

  • Sharmay - 2012-09-12 10:25

    Malema is becoming a regular Agony Aunt.. Idiot!

  • patrickflynn73 - 2012-09-12 10:25

    WHY does this mampada still have so much say he should be arrested and silenced!

      Andrew - 2012-09-12 10:44

      what is democracy?

      tjaart.vanwyk - 2012-09-12 15:28

      DE MOCK CRACY

  • bguirrugo - 2012-09-12 10:27

    like really,who the hell does Malema thinks he is?

      tefo.sekete.7 - 2012-09-12 10:38

      He's a nobody!after all who does he represent?

      connie.mlonyeni - 2012-09-12 11:26

      he represents the mob tefo!

      ben.louw.5 - 2012-09-12 11:46

      Idi Amin

  • mirrorman.smith - 2012-09-12 10:28

    The story of the Fat Dictator. People laughed at Hitler once upon a time...

  • LanfearM - 2012-09-12 10:28

    This should not be allowed! It is clear incitement and agitation. Arrest this spreader of chaos ffs! Why doesn't he form a political party and take the ANC on in the elections? But no, he wants to be a warlord, not an elected leader.

  • goodguy.buthelezi - 2012-09-12 10:28

    HOW TO GET RID OF THE MAMPARA: Hire a super hot woman that the idiot wont say no to, make sure that she attends the same entertainment events that he attends, make sure they date, when she gains his Trust, poison the thing. Finish

      luke.dekoker - 2012-09-12 11:33

      goodguy, Good idea but it will take too long and on top of it fatboy only goes for entertainment with boys.

  • promise.ozuzu - 2012-09-12 10:28

    Pls guy help me out here! How do we know what JuJu want to say to these guy? I feel it is you guyz here making him( JuJu) look good and powerful..

      maria.roth.589 - 2012-09-12 13:09

      If at this stage you don't have the measure of this guy you have your head up your XXXX Nobody makes this guy look good that is just not possible.

  • michael.digby.9 - 2012-09-12 10:28

    Zuma, take your finger out of your @rse and sort this stupid clown out once and for all, before there is no country left to govern. Not that you are doing a good job at that either at the moment!!! You might win some more votes if you can sort this prick out.

  • promise.ozuzu - 2012-09-12 10:29

    Pls guy help me out here! How do we know what JuJu want to say to these guy? I feel it is you guyz here making him( JuJu) look good and powerful..

  • chilli.stephenson1 - 2012-09-12 10:29

    ANC seems like they still support him. They just are not saying that they support him, but it is obvious! Otherwise they would arrest him for treason. You know, if i you, me or anyone else had to run around causing trouble and doing all that JUJU is doing, we'd be arrested in the blink of an eye! ANC is in with JUJU and it's alljust a bunch of BS!

  • JevonMarshallJohnson - 2012-09-12 10:30

    Why is he even allowed a soapbox?????? News24's little golden boy too it seems. Ignore the fool.

      tjaart.vanwyk - 2012-09-12 15:33

      Agree -just have a lekker laugh and enjoy the day. Julius for president!

  • loyiso.mgebisa - 2012-09-12 10:32

    In some countries individuals that stand in the way of progress, they are assassinated!!

      Andrew - 2012-09-12 10:34

      tolerance!

      maria.roth.589 - 2012-09-12 13:11

      Loyiso you have a very strange idea of progress my friend

  • mmangaliso - 2012-09-12 10:32

    elke soldaat wat gaan om te\r\nvoldoen aan met Julius is\r\nskuldig aan hoogverraad\r\nhoogverraad! DAAR IS NIKS IN\r\nJULIUS se gedagtes, maar\r\noorlog Ek praat burgeroorlog\r\nHIERDIE IS die vroeë tekens\r\nwees gewaarsku

  • annelene.munro - 2012-09-12 10:33

    He doesnt know, that he 'doesnt know'

  • mpho.e.mogashui - 2012-09-12 10:34

    Enemy of the state.. on diapers !!!