News24

Man called 'bin Laden' before fatal beating

2012-08-08 17:53

Johannesburg - A Muslim man has been beaten to death in Magaliesburg, allegedly by two people who insulted him because of his beard, a family friend said on Wednesday.

Mohammed Fayaaz Kazi, 27, from Ventersdorp, was with his father's friend Anser Mahmood when they were attacked at a Chicken Licken outlet on Monday.

"Two white people... they called him [Osama] bin Laden in Afrikaans because of his beard...and then they called us kaffirs," Mahmood told Sapa by telephone on Wednesday.

"Fayaaz, he understood Afrikaans, and was arguing with them."

All four were thrown out of the fast food shop, and the fight continued outside.

"I asked why they were troubling him and he punched me," Mahmood, 33, said.

"I don't know what he hit me with. I was unconscious."

Mahmood was mostly hit in the face, while Kazi was beaten over the head. He said he did not know what object was used to attack Kazi as he was lying on his side.

Nobody helped


"Nobody helps us. They wanted me dead also, but I survived."

Kazi was transferred from one hospital to another before dying at a medical facility in Potchefstroom from brain damage. His funeral was held on Tuesday.

Mahmood said a murder docket had been opened at the Potchefstroom police station.

Police spokesperson Captain Tselane Nkale said a case was only opened after the man died. She said the docket was sent to Magaliesburg police station as that was where the fight took place.

North West police spokesperson Brigadier Thulani Ngubani said the case had not yet been assigned as they were trying to determine under whose jurisdiction it fell.

Part of Magaliesburg fell under Gauteng, and police still had to determine in which section the Chicken Licken was located.

Ngubani said Kazi and Mahmood were heading towards Ventersdorp on Monday when they stopped for food.

"The two had purchased their food when two Afrikaner men began making fun of his beard."

The initial case of assault with intent to do grievous bodily harm was changed to murder.

Bin Laden was the founder of al-Qaeda, which the United States claimed was responsible for the 11 September 2001, suicide attacks on the country. US soldiers killed him in Pakistan on 2 May 2011.

Comments
  • sekwati.robinson - 2012-08-08 18:05

    2 afrikaners uhmmmmm ohhhhhk....deepest condolences friend,may your soul rest in peace...the cops need to find these 2 barbaric demonic piece of an excuse for humans...what a waste of skin they are...lock them up,throw the key in the sewage...

      thandiwe.ngema.71 - 2012-08-08 18:29

      Sies any attack against someone is inhumane, but when it is because of their skin colour or religion then it is pathetic.. I am glad this sort of thing is less common in South Africa - I don't know many racist whites, blacks, couloureds or Indians in my age group (late 20s.)

      husaberg.twostroke - 2012-08-08 18:56

      Weereens twee Idiote Afrikaners wat die Afrikaner se naam deur die grond sleep. Ek skaam my dood. Ek is n Afrikaner en weet net nie al Afrikaners is so barbaars soos die twee ape nie. Sies man sluit die varke toe.

      thando.gqabaza - 2012-08-08 19:24

      One thing I've noticed - Afrikaner men always want to pass a comment in public which leads to incidents like this. Remember the incident where a comment was made and the Indian guy went back to the bar and shot dead the commenter ? Why can't people keep their mouths shut in public ?

      TheReasonableMan - 2012-08-08 19:39

      I do not condone this in any way, shape or form...but, my gripe here is with the shoddy reporting. When you read about other attacks / murders / robberies you will not usually find things like " two black men" or "Two black africans" did this or did that. This is blatant racism towards the white populace in general. Shame on you news24, editor and writer of this article. Can anyone here explain to me why they had to mention so specifically that is was 2 white people?

      hsebolelo - 2012-08-08 21:07

      ...But TWO BLACK AFRICANS\r\n....WTF

      omo.naija.750 - 2012-08-08 22:10

      The more i read these comments,the more i realize that i need to get out of this country asap.I am sorry to say but most of you South Africans are a sick lot.I don't understand why you hate each other so much.I don't want my kids to grow up in a society like this where they will be taught from a very young age by their peers to hate people of other races and where they will be discriminated against because they are black.This is truly a sick society and all i can do is pray for you lot and hope that you will one day see the damage you are doing to your country and future generation with all these hatred you are spreading.I now understand why most of the Americans ,Europeans ,Africans and Australians i speak to within SA always speak negatively about South Africans and their race issues.You people really need to change and try to be good people otherwise your nation is heading for a civil war. I also think i need to stay away from news24 because the caliber of people who comment here always dampen my day.If someone had told me a few years ago that there are people on this planet who can hate like the way news24 bloggers do,i would have disagreed.Shame on all you racists who make news24 an unpleasant place to be.I hope you all die soon and leave us sane people behind so we can build a society of mutual understanding together.You racism chokes us daily.You are really very sad people who need to be spiritually delivered to understand how evil your mindsets are.

      CapeChappy - 2012-08-08 23:03

      @ Omonaija: Forums attract the worst of the worst because they are lonely, angry people with no friends who need somewhere to vent with anonimity. It is never representative of the majority, who do not need to abuse others from afar. It used to bother me too, but now I see them for what they are. Just ignore them and pass fair comment, rather than give them fuel.

      omo.naija.750 - 2012-08-08 23:22

      @CapeChappy - Thank you for your comment.I agree with you they don't represent the majority of South Africans.It is just so sad that they promote a negative image of SA and South Africans.These group of bloggers ruin every topic on this forum and instead of us having a meaningful debate all we get is racial verbal attacks from both sides.I just hope that these people will one day realize what they doing and change their ways.

      bfvillet - 2012-08-09 08:14

      @omanaija i am actually quite happy that we can speak this openly on these forums and if people want to judge us all as racists and bigots then i think it just shows their ignorance. in SA we are prepared to and afforded the opportunity to speak openly about things and many people do it is called freedom of speech and that is the thing about these freedoms we have,you are not the only one who have these rights but also the racists and bigots who also has the right to state his views in the same way as you THE hope is that these differing views will lead to a common understanding and acceptance of who we are and in that sense these forums play a crucial role in building our democracy.The more we speak to each other the more we will agree with one another.Our differences should never lead to murder my heartfelt condolences to the family and my hope is that you will find solace and comfort in ALLAH

      erich.goosen - 2012-08-09 08:49

      @ Thando - this is a hugh generalisation. I do not understand your comments. You have an axe to grind with Afrikaners but are referring to an Indian that went back to shoot the Afrikaner commenter. In any case, racism and intollerance are the causes of much tradegy which is a pity.

      hleriche - 2012-08-09 13:49

      It's quite obvious there are many black racists reading from the comments with their generalisations. They feed on stories like these to justify their own racism. What bothers me even further, it is expected from whites to take on other whites then they are racist, but there is a silence from good black people to take on black racists!?? What the hell is up with people? Are you so afraid of political correctness you will not allow white racism, but allow black racism??? And thanks to news24 that blew this story up to make it worldwide news. This is your contribution to stereotyping and making the race divide bigger.

      hleriche - 2012-08-09 14:04

      Yet back to the other side....... of silence from the media and government....... Karen Goosen aged 44 is fighting for her life in ICU at the moment. She was viciously attacked on her porch while waiting for her lift to work yesterday morning around 7am in Rhodesfield, Kempton Park. Karen has been secretary to a rural school for more than five years. When the school principal arrived at her house to pick her up, he found the front door wide open and blood as well as pieces of her nose and head spread across the floor. Karen laid on the lounge floor, her face beaten to a pulp. Karen told him that she saw two African men approach her before she was hit from behind on the head. An emergency operation drained the blood from the back of her head and emergency surgery sewed her face together as best could be done. Her handbag and jewelry was stolen. No one has been arrested so far at this stage.

      sean.howlett.71 - 2012-08-10 09:35

      News 24 likes stirring the pot !! Why don`t you add a colour tag to all the crimes reported news24 ? That means 99% Black and maybe 1% white !

      khabir.hoosen - 2012-08-10 16:11

      Ok, so who is going to label all White Afrikaans people racist murderers??? Nobody, you know why? Because they are all are not the same. Not all Muslims are terrorists and suicide bombers. Islam means peace! This is very sad and I pray that these two pricks are found and they spend the rest of their lives being some "huge" mans bitch in prison!

      Junebugg - 2012-08-13 10:06

      LOL Poor black people, we had nothing to do with this incidents but It was between Muslim and Afrikaners...and some people feel the need to bring up the black race...how pathetic...stick to the story at hand. Some are bringing up old stories to justify what happened, lord have mercy on them. Dont divert the attention

  • beverley.oflynn1 - 2012-08-08 18:07

    This is utterly sad and shows total ignorance, I hope the suspects will be brought to justice and they must pay for this horrible crime! My condolences to the family.

      mihaip007 - 2012-08-08 18:42

      I realy do not understand how come someone could vote thumbs down on this comment!

      azande.futhi - 2012-08-08 19:49

      @mihaip, there are villains within this forum.

      bless.boswell - 2012-08-09 09:51

      For me this is especially sad because it shows a disregard for human life. Irrespective of whom you are and what you believe - you have rights to be so - and to believe what you will. Until such time as man respects all we're in trouble - each and every one of us. I am ashamed of my white brothers on this day.

      warwick.gibson.1 - 2012-08-09 11:24

      We have one mans word so far. This could have self defence as the one muslim had a brick according to a previous article.

      bless.boswell - 2012-08-09 12:53

      Warwick, that may be true - but what is the point of taunting people because of religion, race, belief etc? It just incites hatred and violence. When people learn to respect one another's beliefs and cultures this world will be a much better place. However Having said that, there are some cultural beliefs and practices that I believe no longer have a place in a modern world and these need to be dealt with (female circumcision, late male circumcision, there's also a ceremony where a bull is tortured to death, slowly and painfully - many such barbaric things that endanger health and lives). These things need to be ended, but should not be argued about or debated in public places where people can get hurt.

  • tumisang.kolobe - 2012-08-08 18:15

    This barbaric uncivilised behaviour should be condemned with the strongest possible terms....we cannot tolerate this kind of racist mentality in south Africa, they should be arrested and hanged by their balls

      mihaip007 - 2012-08-08 18:27

      We agree 100% that they ought to answer for what they have done in the strongest ways! We must just apply the same thoughts to farm murderers as well okay?

      azande.futhi - 2012-08-08 18:39

      @mihaip007, are you suggesting that different thoughts are applied to farm killings? If yes, by who? Is that relevant in this article?

      chaplinncharlie - 2012-08-08 18:44

      Totally agree with both of you...

      mihaip007 - 2012-08-08 18:52

      dear azande - on what planet are you living on? Of course the farm murderes are being turned a blind eye by everyone, it shows in all the manners that the gov and the police deals with them. But if you take a LITTLE bit of time to actually read what I said - I asked that the same thoughts should be also applied when it involves farmers being murdered. What exactly don't you get?

      azande.futhi - 2012-08-08 19:08

      @mihaip, don't the culprits in farm killings get apprehended, convicted and sentenced just like any other murder offences? ie ET murderer has been convicted and soon will be sentenced. What more do you want to see happening?

      mihaip007 - 2012-08-08 19:21

      @azande - are you not informed? In short the answer is "no"..! The et nonsense was changed into a a hero thing for the black community and then into a sick sexual thing. And obviously dragged over and over! and no the others are hardly being caught up! In short I think there is a cleansing programme sponsored by shady characters in the sa politics - to put it bluntly..! All I ASKED for was the thoughts of this omments to be applied also to such things a farm murders. But you wanna keep going - be my guest and keep going with your dof questions...

      azande.futhi - 2012-08-08 19:21

      @frank, whatever the judge deems fitting the offence. we don't suggest sentences as citizens, justice system does. its a democratic country, remember. not the pre-1994 country.

      victor.tamaranui - 2012-08-08 19:26

      Wind it down a little Frank, You gonna give yourself a Hernia. All variety of Citizens are dying unnecessarily in RSA.

      azande.futhi - 2012-08-08 19:40

      @mihaip, I'm black and I am ANC. I can tell you now that there is no such thing as "a plan to kill farmers from within the ranks of our government and ANC". If you really feel your assertions can be supported by some evidence, not just "pathetic and baseless claim from an angry and cynic mind", please bring forward the evidence. We will gladly put the culprits to book. Many of us know the role our farmers play in this country both as citizens and economic players. we are disturbed by the continuing killings hence Minister Mthethwa engaged AgriFDorum to discuss possible strategy to curb this plaque.

      mihaip007 - 2012-08-08 20:19

      @azande - just because you are black and anc, does not mean that you guys are NOT turning a blind eye on the farm killings. you DO! otherwise we would not "engage" in talks, but rather we'd see actions! The only action you have is promises. As about the proof, it IS in the pudding! The amount of response on a bloddy painting was by far larger than what you guys "attempt" to engage in such things...! I also NEVER SAID it was from YOUR ranks that we are suspecting it, but if you feel like u have to defend your ranks, then be our guest. Lastly I am not angry - I am SAD! Sad because this country could have been so much better than having to deal with spears, tender corruptions, crime, murders, POOR EDUCATION, lack of service delivery, Toilet jokes, etc etc...! I am sad my friend...

      philip.vde - 2012-08-08 20:23

      @Azande .... do you have a life ??? you are a piece of work my friend !! NOT a compliment

      azande.futhi - 2012-08-08 20:45

      @mihaip, fair comment. promises and promises is indeed a rife phenomenon in the ANC and its government. Its not only happening in the farm killings resolution, look at current spate of Service Delivery protests, people (black and white) are not happy. Moreover, I am not defending the ANC and governement, I am just commenting from a space I know since I can not comment for DA, COPE and other groups that I am not part of. My point here is, we have a problem everywhere, its ridiculous to conclude that the ANC and its government is choosing to ignore farm killings when we know how much it affects the families of victims (citizens), the economy, the image of the country and so forth. @phillip, engage properly or just shut up.

      warwick.gibson.1 - 2012-08-09 11:26

      Meybe it was "criminal" just like the horrendous torture ,murder and rape of white farmers their wives and children by blacks. Remember crime affects all as the governmnet always tells us.

      merven.halo - 2012-08-10 08:31

      'I'm black and I am ANC. I can tell you now that there is no such thing as "a plan to kill farmers' And how do you idiots explain the 'Kill the Boer' song then? We are not the dumb ANC masses, we can think for ourselves.

  • victor.tamaranui - 2012-08-08 18:16

    So much Intolerance, Why do Humans behave like savages, If not one allegiance usually to Colour in this country , then Religion. Africa as a Continent is Islam by Number. Earlier some-one suggested that this is a Christian rather than Secular country......Secular is the correct evaluation here in RSA. Why do so many burn in a bitter hell here in RSA that they would take a life ??

      andrew.cooks.5 - 2012-08-08 18:30

      @victor - because humanity are a savage race. But í dont care what the colour of their skin they should burn in hell.

      victor.tamaranui - 2012-08-08 18:55

      We are a virus to planet Earth. The Greed of Capitalism has corrupted this entire Planet. Humans are a bad case of Thrush to Mother Earth....I'm pretty sure she would want a new start after this Infection is washed away.

      mihaip007 - 2012-08-08 19:00

      actually I disagree about the virus comment! It is an antiqued thought that should have been overcome by the confidence in humanity as some of us strive to make things betterm and reach the stars literarily. It is only in places like sa, zim and others alike that the people only occupy themselves with things like skin colour, land ownership and taking without paying or working for it. In other countries, we build amazing machines and we land on Mars...

  • Peter Jacobs - 2012-08-08 18:24

    Police must stop arguing what jurisdiction falls under! Catch these idiots and make them pay. SCUMBAGS!

      mihaip007 - 2012-08-08 19:10

      couldn't have said it better! But alas, we ARE talking about incompetence in the police ranks! Instead of being a solution, they become a stumbling block in the way to justice...

  • devon.riley.52 - 2012-08-08 18:25

    It always irritates the crap out of me that when white afrikaans males are involved the newspapers states it as such. If black people are clearly involved, the article would have stated 2 men. As tragic as this story is, I'm afraid the misguided political correctness in society I find most annoying

  • isabel.w.stokes - 2012-08-08 18:25

    The bigger problem is that three days after the event, while vital clues are being lost, instead of finding the culprits, our "police" are still squabbling about whose jurisdiction it is. The bastards have got away now and the witnesses have disappeared or been intimidated. I feel so sorry for his family, but really mad with our alleged law enforcers. They haven't got a clue.

  • daniel.motlhatlhedi - 2012-08-08 18:28

    This incident happend in South Africa cum on police open up the case arrest those white guys who think the world belong to them. Why dont they go to Australia if they thnk they are too white for this country. I wonder if Debra(3rd degree) wil talk abt ths.

      mihaip007 - 2012-08-08 18:39

      while we do NOT condone what happened, we ALSO do not condone your racist comments! Is it because they are white that they have to go to australia? can you please read the following word, very slowly and carefuly - C I T I Z E N! do you understand it?

      hans.himmler.7 - 2012-08-08 18:42

      Debra talks drivel at best Daniel. Did Debra talk about the murder on ET? Have you ever wondered why Australia is so attractive to white South Africans?

      merven.halo - 2012-08-10 08:35

      '99 % of the crime in RSA is committed by the majority ' Yes Sam, but people like daniel.motlhatlhedi believe it is his birth right to do crime.

  • dolf.dutoit.50 - 2012-08-08 18:29

    From the hundreds of articles you publish every month WHY do you only differentiate in race when its a WHITE offender? How many farm killings has there been? and how many of those murders did you report a BLACK man killed a WHITE farmer?? NEVER!! Because referring to any race in their colour is considered racist except to the WHITE man. "Black man kills white farmer" its considered racist reporting ... "Muslim man blows himself up" he is considered a true Martyr ... "White man kills black man" Racist white man ... its so obvious that the news in this country is ran by people who loves to stir racial tension so that they can have another story to write about. Its a good thing you point out a WHITE man has killed a MUSLIM but then do it in all your stories!!

      hans.himmler.7 - 2012-08-08 18:39

      Dolf, not only white, but Afrikaans as well. Did the headlines read "Black Xhosas murdered ET"? Nope. Just another fact one can mention to Genocide Watch. White Afrikaners have their back against the wall in SA, in more ways than one. It has also been foretold by Siener van Rensburg. I offcourse do not approve of the actions that took place.

      mihaip007 - 2012-08-08 18:40

      hmmm I am starting to smell a rat! agreed! ...

      hans.himmler.7 - 2012-08-08 18:55

      Chaplin, at least Isak is not posting here! I wonder if this could've been a Christian / Muslim incident?

      chaplinncharlie - 2012-08-08 19:06

      Hans. Personally i don't think so... or should i say i don't hope so. There is no need for these action in SA, We are already facing so much and then we get this... Maybe the one called the one Chicken... I'm obviously referring to the Chicken Licken here...

      hans.himmler.7 - 2012-08-08 19:15

      Chaplin, agreed. Even with all the political hassles we still manage to get along in SA, and these type incidents makes it real uncomfortable. I have never seen or heard Muslim attacks on Christianity in SA, but I also do not believe the "Barbaric White Afrikaners" did it out of no reason. Perhaps comments made on the ET episode, a subject that will remain very sensitive especially in Ventersdorp. Just speculation. We can really achieve great things (Black, White, Dynamite), ANC exlcuded offcourse.

      chaplinncharlie - 2012-08-08 19:30

      Yes they have one side of the story and they decide to run this article... No one is even arrested yet... Which sort of making it easy to become a flight risk. Hopefully they will keep us updated on proceedings. I wonder what they will say if these two afrikaans men is not guilty as they don't have the all/full facts yet. Personally i think News24 should never have aired this the way this article is written...

  • george.pito - 2012-08-08 18:29

    Yeh this story probably has another side. Why did they pick up the brick as reported earlier. All of a sudden Afrikaans is brought into it. I dont understand how they were attacked. Somebody called them names so they went up them and started looking for trouble why not just go made some case. Sorry but both parties seems to be guilty. Thrown out of the shop can only imagine the rest now. Two men on both sides but the reporter says two white afrikaans speaking men beaten a Moslim to death but they were also two. Anyway nothing to do with relion colour or language. Lets get the truth in court

      ratsaka.eugene - 2012-08-08 19:53

      @Essop, you realise that you got all thumbs down, tell you why, you are fighting a loosing battle. 95% of a certain 'race' is probably laughing about this now, and that's a fact. I was with some of them now, I showed them the article and they made so much fun of it I nearly puked. I can give you names if you want.

  • cstoman - 2012-08-08 18:31

    I am utterly appalled by this story, this type of ignorance should not be tolerated anywhere. No one should be treated like this no matter what their race or religion. Racial and religious slurs have caused enough problems in this country. Why can't people just let each other be? My heart truly goes out to this man's family and friends and I hope the men responsible are brought to justice.

  • smalefane - 2012-08-08 18:31

    Let's not paint all Afrikaners with the same brush. It will however do some justice to hear more Afrikaners condemning such behavior. Deepest condolences to the deceased family.

      dolf.dutoit.50 - 2012-08-08 18:38

      Agreed smalefane ... I am an afrikaner and currently my beard is bigger than what Osama bin Laden's ever was and I say that these guys who committed the murder should be sentenced to death just like all the other murderers in our country!

      nickolse - 2012-08-08 18:59

      Try reading earlier posts.....

      alon.fisher.752 - 2012-08-08 20:28

      I dont want murderers in my country wether they are black, white, Christian, Muslim ,etc regardless of the victims race.

      jaco.flemix - 2012-08-09 06:58

      I am a Afrikaner and I am not condemning it and so is a lot of other Afrikaners,People like you should not brand us as we don't go around branding you

  • diran.pillay - 2012-08-08 18:37

    I hope they rot in jail, scumbags..... They probally pissing their pants now!

  • lodewyk.fred - 2012-08-08 18:40

    Just get the feeling that this story has another side to it.

      azande.futhi - 2012-08-08 18:45

      maybe the two afrikaaners were being attacked or robbed? and they did it on self defence, smart mentality Fred?

      rebecca.robyn - 2012-08-08 19:33

      Like...???

  • malusi.shumane.7 - 2012-08-08 18:42

    Even when they are eventually nabbed, they know that justice systems favours them in NW. They will be given time to have sex with their partners while in jail, just like that Skierlik killer.

  • samoras - 2012-08-08 18:49

    In The Name of Allah The Most Gracious The\r\nMost Merciful heal his family Allah Akbar

      tumisang.kolobe - 2012-08-08 19:03

      I agree with your prayer but I wished would pray agresively here like "May the fleas of a thousand camels infest the crotch and armpits of the person who committed this senseless murder"

      merven.halo - 2012-08-10 08:38

      'In The Name of Allah The Most Gracious' It is because of Allah and the Christian god that this happened in the first place.

  • Harold Chisimba - 2012-08-08 18:51

    Absence of love!

  • Flash Back - 2012-08-08 18:54

    If these guys are christian...then its very ironic that they pray to a man with a beard(JESUS)

      merven.halo - 2012-08-10 09:46

      How do you know Jesus had a beard?

  • nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-08-08 19:00

    uneducated low lifes, this kind of religious (or racial) intolerance is disgusting !!!!!!!!

      alon.fisher.752 - 2012-08-08 20:35

      couldn't have said it better Nigel.

      dakey.ras.73 - 2012-08-09 21:45

      The fight could have started over anything Nigel. Had the Muslim guy ignored the comment, what do you think would have happened? It has nothing to do with religion or race, rather idiots being idiots. On any given night out as a student you could get into a fight for looking at someone funny.

  • joyce.kweyama - 2012-08-08 19:07

    SORRY TO FAMILY OF THE DEAD MAN. WE ARE A MULTICULTURAL SOCIETY WHO SHOULD ACCOMMODATE EACH OTHERS RELIEFS. NO NEED TO BEAT THE MAN IF HE IS MUSLIM. MAKES ONE TO WONDER AT CHRISTIAN SUPERIORTY THAT LEGALISED APARTHEID FOR DECADES. NEVER FORGET HOW CHRISTIANITY WAS INTRODUCED TO NEVEER.

  • malusi.shumane.7 - 2012-08-08 19:09

    When municipalities fail auditing, we are told how incompetent, useless, uneducated,corrupt, etc blacks are. I meaan all blacks get the same brush. Now these racists commit crime and then expect us to be charming in condemning their behavior, because they think they are God's gift among other races. Kuphi khona?

      jaco.flemix - 2012-08-09 07:13

      dont make it a race thing,nun of the news papers said black municipalities as there is a lot of white people also working there,get your facts straight

      maria.roth.589 - 2012-08-13 23:07

      I think that you identify too strongly with the ANC. When we say ANC we are not saying blacks we are saying ANC. So when we say the ANC are corrupt we are not saying blacks are corrupt we are saying the governing party is corrupt. If you identify so strongly with the ANC that when they are criticised you feel criticised we cannot help you. That is your problem not ours. It is not because we are racist it is just that we are intolerant of corruption.

  • bishop.solitaire - 2012-08-08 19:09

    Crime has no colour, this hatred must stop..and i mean everyone must stop commiting these evil crimes!

  • lennox.mdlankomo - 2012-08-08 19:21

    Its funny how most white people are trying to justify the actions of these thugs defence,this should serve as a reminder to those ignorant fools who think that blacks are the only perpetrators of crime,this is not about race but about people acting foolishly...condolences to the family of the deceased

      hans.himmler.7 - 2012-08-08 19:42

      Well said Lennox. Murder is color and race blind. Murder is murder. News articles should then identify perpetrators across the board, each incidents. Murder is the worst crime one could admit, some could argue voting for the ANC, but why then wasn't there so much hype about the thousands of farmers (ET excluded) that have been murdered cold blooded at the hands of black people? More specifically the incident last year whereby the entire family was wiped out, including a 4 year old girl? It is clear by comments of specifically black bloggers here that there is an extremely high level of hate against whites. Hasn't your race had carte blanche since 1994? Haven't we surrendered our history, heritage, economic freedom, beliefs, religion in an "enough manner"? Are we really such bad people that we need to be murdered in cold blood at the hands of racist and hatred filled blacks?

      victor.tamaranui - 2012-08-08 19:57

      @ Hans, Have you asked Boeremag, VVK, AWB etc etc etc this very question ?? Seems from mu observations most Blacks just want to get on with a better life however this very site's posts dictate a larger % of Afropeans are still bitter and explode occasionally resulting in them being judged in a court of Law. Most crime against Farmers are personal due to their treatment of their workers. The theft is secondary to the root cause of the Violence. Additionally their Isolated location is conducive to criminal acts. Figures dictate far more Blacks are still being killed unnecessarily due to violent crime.

      chris.badenhorst - 2012-08-08 20:41

      lennox i wish all people will reason like u do!!

      dakey.ras.73 - 2012-08-09 21:50

      Lennox, going by the average number of murders per day in South Africa, the other forty-three people killed today were not killed by white people. Murder only makes headlines in media when it is particularly gruesome or when its a white man who did the killing. This happens to be a case where the guy dies as a result of his injuries. It could happen in any fist fight, whether school, bar or street. The other 43 murders are likely because a man got a bullet in his chest.

      merven.halo - 2012-08-10 08:41

      'Figures dictate far more Blacks are still being killed unnecessarily due to violent crime.' @Victor, who the targets are are not the problem, who the perpetrators are is.

      maria.roth.589 - 2012-08-13 23:16

      How is it you give condolences after you have spread your poison . It is funny how you accuse most whites of justifying these murderous acts. What are you reading? So you pretend to be so tolerant but it is just an opportunity to spread some hate. Look to yourself I am not going to justify anything here nothing can justify the death of a son I am a mother and my heart just aches for this man's mother.

  • nompumelelo.madonda - 2012-08-08 19:29

    RIP... C'mon South Africans!You have started a war out of the inability to respect and tolerate one another... I only trust that this is not the beginning of something nasty...

  • Bosvark Van Rensburg - 2012-08-08 19:34

    Chicken Licken is less than a Km from Magaliesburg Police Station, so I don't understand what is the delay for charging this two bullies. They must be charged for their actions.

  • joangemmell.budricks - 2012-08-08 19:44

    This is disgusting , its sick , these guys are a embrasement to Afrikans Speaking South African,s ,I dont know what makes any person in their right mind kill another person

  • Jacques - 2012-08-08 20:05

    White trash bastards

  • jessop.sutton - 2012-08-08 20:05

    It is disappointing that no Christian person was brave enough to step in to save the two from the attack. What would Jesus do? Where is the faith, where the courage?

  • michael.duplessis.71 - 2012-08-08 20:31

    @News24: Next time you have a farm attack story please state the race and language of the persons involved. The media is spreading racial tension and News24 is making this worse by allowing all this racial comments. A South African was attacked. Is this actually legal? I have not read any News24 or Naspers story about black people attacking white people, but the otherway round seems fine?

  • Bra Tebzaah Sibilanga - 2012-08-08 20:31

    Hope they also die a cruel and violent death too.

  • Warren Cowley - 2012-08-08 20:38

    Hope justice is served. However, lets not paint all Afrikaans people as racists. Let us not make yet another crime in SA about race. If you hate been stereotyped, then dont do it to other people too.

      phae.rayden - 2012-08-08 23:22

      But this was about race, so why are we trying to hide the fact. They wouldn't have called an Afrikaaner with a beard 'bin laden'. As much as we need to not make everythng about race, we need to call it when we see it.

      Warren Cowley - 2012-08-09 09:01

      @phae. This incident may have been about race, yes, but that should not make our mindsets believe that all future crimes committed from one race to another will be racially motivated. There are racists among all races, yes (i mean i'm colored and it shocks me 2 find other coloreds who are racist. But that doesn't make me label all coloreds as racists).\r\n\r\nIf today, a family member of yours commits a crime, I'm sure you would not want your entire family to be called criminals. One (or more ) Afrikaans criminal (or racist), doesn't make all others criminals or racists.

      maria.roth.589 - 2012-08-13 23:28

      Phae rayden yes possibly it was about race two miserable criminals killed somebody for what ever reason. Have we had a trial yet? Do we know exactly what happened. It is one murder amongst many for many different reasons Why make it more bitter for the family of the victim and for all the innocent people out there who have nothing to do with it.

  • samoras - 2012-08-08 20:41

    The holy month of Ramadhan is a great gift from God for the believer\r\nand its blessings are not to\r\nbe missed. In this month\r\nAllah grants the believer\r\nmore thawab (reward) for their good deeds and\r\nblessings are increased\r\nmanifold and God has said He will forgive even\r\nmore sins, so how can we let this opportunity go\r\nby.This is sad for the Muslim brothers

  • chris.badenhorst - 2012-08-08 20:44

    I say, bring back the death penalty, it will stem the tide of violence in this country as well as make people think twice before taking a life, raping or robbery with aggravating circumstances, hang the bastards, white, coloured, indian or black, if he/she takes a life, his/hers should be taken...easy mathematics...

  • sekwati.robinson - 2012-08-08 20:46

    murder is murder regadless of race...this guys being Afrikaner does'nt make them any worse than all muderers...but fact is they commited an inhuman act...two evil creatures who deserved to be punished.....and 1 thing I wish all black people could learn from whites is to grow a back bone.....this is a public forum,express your opinions without fear or favour....support,criticize,encourage in whatever manner you wish.....you don't need approval from any race.. stop being butt kissers and stand for what you believe in...stop doing injustice to yourselves by posting comments that keep 'others' happy...you are living a lie and being unfair to yourselves.....wether they crucify you,insult and degrade you is of no importance....100 thumbs down means nothing...be true to yourselves....

      chris.badenhorst - 2012-08-08 20:54

      sekwati, if the govt do what u suggest, then this country will be one of the best in the world, pity they still in the apartheid dead horses saddle, everyone is passing the buck to the next, none accepting and agreeing when they are out of their depth, like our dear minister of education, i bet she wont ever own up...

      Cedric - 2012-08-09 09:02

      hey u leave us blacks out of dis dis got nthng 2 do wit blacks cuz wen blacks r killed by ur whites frnds no muslim step in nd help wit our prblms nxaaa.

      maria.roth.589 - 2012-08-13 23:38

      So Sekwati you say one thing and mean another. Being tolerant is butt kissing? Being reasonable is lacking backbone. There are people in this world who have no patience with controversy for its own sake because there are many people out there who don't have the brains to differentiate and get sucked into hate. Once something is said it cannot be unsaid and hate is intolerable.

  • ditoare.gypsy - 2012-08-08 21:05

    These Blind Dumbs failed to see the difference between the Black and Muslim. South african Muslims are not fighters for your record. If you want fights you know who you need to go to. U F!*'-,#. R**i n#k

  • yusuf.mota.1 - 2012-08-08 21:22

    I'm a muslim with Afrikaans friends and I know not all of them are racist. That said I ask how do we deal with this , it is a racist act and it was because of race that this occurd. My heart goes out to the family of the deceased and I want justice to be served but to say all murder cases are the same is wrong , racist is racist and this was racist .

  • jones.mkandawire - 2012-08-08 21:27

    Holy jesus something is terribly wrong with this place.Why are people of ventersdorp so brutal and heartless? Presumably the devil lives there and commands such bastards thirst for blood.

      Tman.th - 2012-08-09 00:18

      The incident didn't happen in ventersdorp the guy stopped in magaliesburg on his way to ventersdorp to buy food and the two dom koppe killed him for his beard. This thing of racism is all over mzansi. May his soul RIP.

      Bosvark Van Rensburg - 2012-08-09 00:39

      Do Malawian kids read the book upside-down?

  • ditoare.gypsy - 2012-08-08 21:37

    This is realy sad. You just stop for food the next thing your beard is the reason for your death. May Allah send his true messenger Muhammed to get this innocent soul and be happy where ever he is now. May his soul rest in peace

  • rupert.vansittert - 2012-08-08 21:52

    Typical \dom boere\ giving us whites a bad name. Hope they hang!!! Condolences to the family of the deceased.

  • zaks2217 - 2012-08-08 22:17

    This is a very sad situation. Racism is still very much alive in our country, it is under the covers though. I stay in a west rand suburb and I often experience funny stares, comments and uncalled for actions when I wear my islamic attire. This I do find quite ironic from our Christian brothers as I am only trying to emulate the way of our Prophets incl Jesus christ(peace be upon him). We are closer to you than u think. Let us make an effort to learn from each other. God says in the Quran that He has created us into nations and tribes so that we may get to know and understand one another. We have all lost our way. All I can say is seek knowledge- this will liberate us from these evils. I truly love SA and all the lovely ppl here. Let's please stop hating. We are better than this...I appeal to the muslim community to not misrepresent and feed the media machine also. Thank you.

  • Visko - 2012-08-09 00:02

    We have to be tolerant towards each other's gods...otherwise we will have yet ANOTHER religions war..again.

      zaks2217 - 2012-08-09 05:11

      In fact, the funny thing most of us all worship the same God. The God of Abraham.

  • Cedric - 2012-08-09 09:11

    dis remind me of a cop who ddn't want 2 share a toilet wit blacks y shud we share ur pain u r on ur own u guys presume dat u better dan ada ppl moss.

  • warwick.gibson.1 - 2012-08-09 11:23

    So far we have have one mans word of what allegedly happend. We have yet to hear the whole story and only them will the truth be known. Do not jump to conclusions about what has happend. It is amzing how the race and language of the alleged attackers is made known, yet when the victims are white and the attckers black or any other colour then all is quiet. How do we know this was not self defence. Look how muslims behave all over the world with their killing in the name of their god.

      Nyiks11 - 2012-08-09 11:41

      But it should also be noted that south african muslims are not known for the same violent behaviour displayed by their brothers from other parts of the world. The same can't be said forafrikaans speaking okes from Ventersdorp , Magalies and surrounding areas .

  • pumlae - 2012-08-09 12:38

    Dear News24. Thanks for creating this forum that seem to raise people's tempers and intolarance levels. I just wish you would also create a controlled boxing ring where people could go to distress. My concern is where does the overflow and spillage of such forums over flow or spill to? A Chicken Licken outlet in a remote town in the NW perhaps or tomorow some place as else in SA and we would all be back here feeding on more hatred in need more places to act it out. This is across all races! Wonderind out loud.

  • mike.hunnt.140 - 2012-08-09 13:19

    Two afrikaners in chicken licken? Get real... I bet the editor changed it from two blacks just so that another comment thread race war is avoided.

      ditoare.gypsy - 2012-08-09 16:49

      You are soooooo stupid its not even funny

      Gcwabe.KaMavovo - 2012-08-10 09:35

      How do you explain the Chicken Licken ad of the verkrampt Krugersdorp family that hid underground in 94? :)

  • tony.vanniekerk.35 - 2012-08-09 13:25

    Is this the first case ever to take place in that location for the police to still have to decide in who's jurisdiction it falls? One would think that by now it will be clear which town falls under each station. Boggle the mind.

  • tony.vanniekerk.35 - 2012-08-09 13:28

    Thando, please do not generalise. All black mean are not rapists, all Muslim men are not suicide bombers and all Afrikaans men are not racists. Every ethnic group or nationality has their share of lunatics, in one form or another. Generalising leads to racism.

  • tony.vanniekerk.35 - 2012-08-09 13:31

    Omonalja, there are idiots all over the world. Yes, as many as here. Read the local papers in other countries and you will see. You cannot escape from them by leaving the country.

  • Flash Back - 2012-08-09 14:56

    IF they killed because of the beard then aint it ironic that they pray to jesus pbuh who also has a beard..

  • chabi.sesoko - 2012-08-09 15:16

    Why were innocent people thrown out of the outlet, to be killed ? Why are these Public institutions behaving like this...HEALTH & RACQUET did the same a while ago, only to offer an apology later... it is obvious to determine instantly who the aggressor is !! but they somehow encourage assault or even death of customers by allowing these assaults outside their premises where sometimes there are no cameras... sue the f@#ing Chicken Licken as well for Vicarious Liability, Lastly, This incidents occur everywhere in South Africa almost with impunity... only last week an old white woman purposely jabbed me as I walked past, she walked along as if she has done nothing & I thought to myself this old woman will never take away my humanity.. I will always feel sad, I will always help the elderly when trouble befalls them, regardless of their colour... Off to Jail now Gentlemen, Lucky for you scum is not hanged in SA.