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Mandela 'no holy man' - FW

2012-04-08 09:34

Johannesburg – Former president Nelson Mandela is not a “holy man” unlike some people’s idea of him and he had been a “cruel and unfair” political opponent, said former president FW de Klerk.

De Klerk gave a talk at the River Club in northern Johannesburg on Friday evening.

De Klerk described Mandela “one of the biggest South African leaders of my generation” and said they had clashed repeatedly.

He said Madiba – a Xhosa nobleman – had integrity, was a good communicator, charming and someone of stature who was able to keep the ANC unified through the most difficult times.

He also spoke about other politicians like former president PW Botha, whom he described as difficult and with a short fuse. He said he had ruled through fear rather than consensus but was also highly functional and capable.

He also had a lot of praise for former Russian president Michail Gorbachev and said he was responsible for changing the world.
   
 

Comments
  • Irene - 2012-04-08 09:38

    If the real 'angel' had denounced violence, he wouldn't have stayed in prison for so long, but then he wouldn't be a hero today.

      Karen - 2012-04-08 10:26

      Hero's,freedom fighters....how far would you go to be one? Putting a bomb in an area where there are civilians? He is no hero to me. The way he has turned his back on the unity of this country and let his cadres rape this country and ALL it's people. He is no hero to me.

      infijar.ken - 2012-04-08 10:59

      Adam, don't forget it was awarded to Kissinger for carpet bombing Cambodia.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-04-08 11:00

      Maybe so, But for sure, De Klerk, YOU no holy man !!!!!

      Eric - 2012-04-08 11:02

      infijar.ken True! And it was awarded to Obama after only a few months in power, literally for doing nothing, but being "the first black POTUS"! It's a politically correct farce!

      Jacqui - 2012-04-08 11:08

      Infijar.Ken. Carpet bombing Vietnam not Cambodja.

      Ian - 2012-04-08 11:19

      infijar.ken - kissinger wasent president, nixon was, nixon was secretary of state, the decision to carpet bomb cambodia (should have nuked them and vietnam then our rhinos would have been left alone)was not his alone, get it right

      Erich - 2012-04-08 11:32

      I am not going to express an opinion on whether Mr Mandela was a saint or not. No person can ever be holy. What I am against, is Mr de Klerk, so many years and after his controversial exit from politics and his affair, has now own him the right to pass judgement on a fellow human being. He is an old man and should refrain from such remarks. He should spent his last years gracefully.

      Consolata - 2012-04-08 12:49

      I just feel like Yelling STOP IT! STOP! All of you! Is this what you want for your country? I'M SO SICK AND TIRED of all the complaining. Think about the future, but never forget to learn from the past. What is it that you want for your country and your children. Do you want all this HATE to devour us or do you want a united country and a great future for the country. Blame and labelling wont get you anywhere but it will leave you with hate and mistrust for each other. We were all affected by apartheid and we need to recognise that and recognise that everybody was hurt by it. So I implore all of you to please stop and recognise the humanity in all of us. I want us to work together. I'm tired of being told that I need to hate white people based on the colour of their skin and i'm tired of being told that I need to hate black people because they are criminals. This country is not black and white it consists of people from different races and I for one enjoy that diversity and learning about and from different cultures. If you took the moment to, you would realise how great we are as human beings TOGETHER. So please stop with the hate cos it will only kill us and the humanity we possess.

      leigh.ridgway - 2012-04-08 13:32

      @Consolata - Do you work for Unilever by any chance? This is the sort of crap they enjoy sprouting!

      tnmunyai - 2012-04-08 13:57

      Ja! Ja! De klerk a very good friend of Malema

      Ngaka - 2012-04-08 14:02

      "we were all affected by apartheid and we need to recognise that and everybody was hurt by it".....It is untrue,sis Consolata.Apartheid (the word is self-explanatory)did not 'affect' us all the same way, in addition it did not hurt us all.I don't want to mention who it hurt and who it didn't...the comments on this forum clearly show who benefited and who didn't benefit from this hyenas system.

      tnmunyai - 2012-04-08 14:21

      De klerk is trying down size the holy Tata Mandela. Malema is trying to cut the feet of the big elephant (ANC). Zille is trying to make a westen cape an indipendent state. Are they going to manage?

      sean.looney - 2012-04-08 15:05

      you are all a bunch of deluded idiots. it makes me ashamed to call myself south african reading these comments!! anything mandela did pales into insignificance when compared to the systematic degradation of dignity and human rights the generations before me allowed to happen on their watch. it's a white cliche to claim you had nothing to do with apartheid yet you all sat on your arses and did nothing whilst you reaped the rewards of a crass system of governance that benefited you to no end- whilst people were forced to live like animals and paid slaves. so what if mandela committed acts that are deemed "terrorism" in your eyes.. the things that happened to him and the people he represented were FAR worse than anything he ever did and they continue to afflict south africa to this day. is it any wonder people like julius malema are having such a big say in modern south african politics? its the ignorance of us whites to accept what happened that is turning the black youth towards a more militant stance.. but then who cares? you will all be dead and it'll be my generation, who are far more educated on the misdeeds of the past, to clean up the mess you all continue to create. now give me all the thumbs down you have.

      Smell - 2012-04-08 16:28

      I am with you Sean. Of course no Man is a God, but It is very crass of De Klerk to raise this with regards to Mandela who in the end stood for the freedom of all, Black and White. The outside world certainly rates Mandela as high as any mortal can be. Fidel, the extreme left in many ways resembles and mirrors the extreme right, so many find them equally distasteful . You should not take too much credit for Pres. Mandela's actions, because he ruled from the centre which is obviously not where you are coming from.

      Spyker - 2012-04-08 19:00

      ... sean.looney.tunes - hardly a more apt moniker here. Apart from pointing out the cannibal Fidel, dancing along to the 'looney-tunes', in a typical primitive drug induced trance. "...All the better to steal, rape and slaughter to...", old Fidel ululates. And you ask yourself why they can only run a shower...

      sean.looney - 2012-04-08 19:36

      @spyker. do you have anything to add other than a personal attack on my surname? it seems to me that you fancy yourself as a bit of a writer- so come on, let those intellectual juices flow. lets hear more than a cliche attack on someones name and the prototypical reference to blacks as savages! lets hear your take on the current state of affairs in south africa? maybe you will tell us about poor service delivery in your suburban enclave? maybe we'll hear about genocide on our farms? how about a comparison to zimbabwe? or if we're really lucky maybe we'll be treated to a story of how much better things were under the nats? im drooling with anticipation :)

      Smell - 2012-04-08 20:11

      Spyker is an entertaining writer, but he is by far the biggest windbag on the News24 blogs. His swashbuckling style frequently does not make up for his serious underestimation of the previous horrors of Apartheid or the significant legacy thereof. And he certainly has no appreciation of the immense moral standing Mr. Mandela has among the vast majority of citizens in this country or the outside world. Mr. Mandela's eventual passing will be met by an outpouring of grief on a massive scale. Spyker's death will go unnoticed. No amount of cruel, cute or fancy contributions on News24 will change that. And Sean, for the record, I am a proud Afrikaner.

      Spyker - 2012-04-08 20:17

      sean.even.more.looney.tunes.., I shall not expose the gross ineptitude here - viz your credulous misapprehension that you have ANY knowledge re "...the misdeeds of the past...", other than to ask you - inter alia.., - How many National Party heads-of-state committed physical murder - ie got 'down-and-dirty' in the said act of savagery..? - How many National Party heads-of-state had no known education. Not merely a limited education - ie nothing whatsoever, not a single day in any manner of educational institution..? - How many National Party heads-of-state had brazenly "pardoned" overt criminals - for no other reason than being his cronies. - What was the magnitude of crime, rape and murder under the NP government..? - What was the magnitude of corruption in state functions under the NP government..? - The infrastructure functions under NP government were some of the best in the world. Today the same functions have been reduced to third-world rubbish - kindly explain the reason..? I can carry on for days, but in anticipation of your response (kindly no red herrings please - only direct relevant responses), "...I am drooling with anticipation..." PS: claiming anybody earned "slave wages" under Apartheid is an overt fallacy - black people earned the best wages paid in Africa, in SA under Apartheid - the difference (to today that is) - they had to work for it...

      Thozi - 2012-04-08 21:16

      I believe all Mr de Klerk was saying was that besides how the whole world views Mr Mandela, he is still human after all - and capable of erring. As for the majority of the comments made here, I want to believe that they are from the minority of whites who never got to understand how cruelly insane apartheid was to black South Africans. But then, black people also have Malema to destroy what genuine South African are trying to built for the future of our children. What a pity!

      Spyker - 2012-04-08 22:45

      @Smell.., Dare I say, what you are in fact smelling, is the "passing" of fetid excrement through your alimentary canal. The death of Hitler also did not go unnoticed, or that of Josef Stalin, nor did the death of Idi Amin Dada, or Ivan the Terrible, Ruhollah Khomeini, Augusto Pinochet, Kim Jong Il, Mao Tse-Tung, Saddam Hussein, Omar Al-Bashir and as you said, nor will that of Nelson Mandela... I have no idea what fanfare will follow my death and I probably never will - so if your intent was to solicit some emotional response.., well go figure...

      Alf - 2012-04-09 07:38

      Unfortunately you hit the nail on the head. Let us not forget that by his own admission it was Mandela who gave the order to open fire on the Zulu's in 1994 at SHELL house.

      markmc83 - 2012-04-09 19:53

      The difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is that a terrorist commits acts of violence against innocent civilians instead of the military or politicians directly.

      Greg - 2012-04-09 20:57

      @Irene, adam, Eric, etc, no doubt news24 gives your sick minds the opportunity to vent your pathetic and juvenile hatred. No doubt you believe your aparthied policies were best for all people. Keep them in their places, subjugate the civilian non-white population. In this context I would agree that if are so hateful of majority rule, then leave and go where your skin colour makes you feel comfortable. This is the reason Malema is so extreme to counter your extremism in the first place.

      Smell - 2012-04-10 15:45

      Seems like the News24 moderator is getting tired or is not up to the job. My contributions would generally only be disturbing to the extreme right and extreme left in this country. How would that justify removal of my retort to an insult? Shoddy editing.

      donald.perumal - 2012-04-10 22:24

      I suppose the NATS would have ended apartheid if Madiba asked them politely!

  • Bryan - 2012-04-08 09:43

    This article is about as shallow as my kitchen sink.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-04-08 11:02

      So true !! News24 are masters in stirring sh.t !!!

      johncarlos.biza - 2012-04-08 11:08

      It's written for a shallow audience. Just read most of the comments so far.

      Frank - 2012-04-08 12:11

      Seems the writer(s) were trying to tell us that you will be known by the company you keep. Nellie Mandela and the ANC are rotten to the core and no amount of spinning will change that!

      Thuphac - 2012-04-08 12:15

      @JohncarlosBiza: Couldn't agree with you more. Bizarrely-thinking bunch you have here.

      Jack - 2012-04-08 12:53

      Tell me about it - aside from mentioning the venue and event, they've made absolutely no attempt to contextualize any of what was said. It's pot stirring of the highest order! I would actually like to hear de Klerk's perspective. Why is it that de Klerk's biography costs twice that of Nelson?

      Fidel - 2012-04-08 14:43

      The public forum is devoid of intelligence, bereft of common cause. It is a moral wasteland and an idiot spectacle.

      Smell - 2012-04-08 21:49

      Fidel, lofty words. But then again you are a Malema fan, which reveals your intellectual poverty.

      Fidel - 2012-04-09 05:13

      You know nothing about me except what you have assumed from my posts and as such shouldn't make judgements based on your own prejudices.

      Smell - 2012-04-10 07:25

      Fidel, I assume nothing about you. I do not even assume you are female or Black, as you would like to present yourself on Facebook. And I wish you well. I am just responding to your utterings. You describe Whites as psychopaths, because they generally have been embracing Capitalism. How about the fact that Asian countries now generally embrace Capitalism too - does that make them all psychopathic havens too? Just to remind you, psychopaths have no conscience and would thus rape and murder without hesitation, a problem all too familiar in our troubled country.

  • Adam - 2012-04-08 09:50

    He is no longer able to keep the anc unified, hence it is falling apart, and will be like the rhino in 10 years time

      hannesenbrianda - 2012-04-10 06:07

      I wish Kolobe, but as there is no evidence... not even the Truth and Reconciliation Commission could find something that could stick. His operatives (the "de Kock") acted on "their own" without a "state sanctioning" and are now in jail for what they did. The NP government's hands are "clean" ... but who really believe it? The burden of restitution has been moved to the next generations that are targeted by a different kind of apartheid. 20% of them already found a future from them and their children in other countries where their children can get a "fair go". Neither Mandela not de Klerk are heroes in my eyes, the difference is that Mandela still have his dignity and integrity and he is still respected by his traditional supporters. Both are now lonely voices from the past that is losing relevance in the present.

  • Malavi - 2012-04-08 09:54

    The great thing about Madiba is never acted like a 'holy man'. It is respect he gave to ordinary and influencially people alike. FW, it kills u to never be appreciated us such. I can reassure u, Madiba does not think he is better than u, that is the reason he will never talk bad about you!

  • Fildos - 2012-04-08 09:58

    tata Madiba is my hero. he fought for what he believed in. He is not holy and is not selfish like these politicians of today. thank u tata.

  • Grace - 2012-04-08 09:58

    That headline is VERY misleading.... De Klerk actually has respect for Mandela and was complimentary of him. Enough sensationalism please!!\r\n De Klerk described Mandela “one of the biggest South African leaders of my generation” and said they had clashed repeatedly.\r\nHe said Madiba – a Xhosa nobleman – had integrity, was a good communicator, charming and someone of stature who was able to keep the ANC unified through the most difficult times.

      Grace - 2012-04-08 10:31

      @Irene - I am not illiterate. I understand the article perfectly and can differentiate between journalism and sensationalism. This was 'selective quoting' with a headline that was bound to attract attention and irrelevant to the article.

      drjohan.gouws - 2012-04-08 10:34

      I full agree wit h you, Grace, De Klerksaid Mandela was a cruel and unfair opponent, but he sang his praises as a leader with integrity, being a good communicator, charming and someone of stature. I don't think De klerk said this for people who comment here to start a war about who takes the honour, if i go into court, for example, and the advocate on the other side is ruthless, then i may describe him as a ruthless advocate, but a brilliant one indeed. how do people who make such ruthless and unneeded remarks think they could play a part in the healing of the country. Lets honour who needs to be honoured, give Madiba his praises and De Klerk or whoever theirs, but in the end, what do you do make a difference or be a heroe or whatever ... healing starts with you, not stupid racistic and real common remarks or cursing!

      Smell - 2012-04-10 07:17

      I found the statement "one of the biggest South African leaders of my generation” a puzzling one since there was no-one even close to Mandela in that regard. He remains head and shoulders above all of his contempories on a world wide scale - take a planetary referendum and you will clue in.

  • johann.greffrath - 2012-04-08 10:00

    A good reporter wouldn't make it so glaringly obvious that he's trying to draw readers by selective quotation.

      Kenengek - 2012-04-08 10:12

      I share the sentiment. Lazy writing fostered by lazy editing!

      Lethu - 2012-04-08 10:13

      True 2 that,because after I read the article it had nothing to do with religion and “not being holy”.Tata had to take drastic measures to achieve what it is today!

      Karen - 2012-04-08 10:42

      Lethu: Murder, suffering, poverty which is still being blamed on Apartheid. The chidren that were born 'free' should be educated after 18 years. Instead the majority look to Malema for a free ride. The ANC has all the money from us taxpayers to make the difference. Pity Mandela cannot in his golden years get his people to fight the corruption. Instead, he sits in his overpriced home and does nothing. He has done nothing for the last 18 years. Why does he choose to remain silent? Is this the vision he wanted for his people.

  • Mandu - 2012-04-08 10:02

    Come on, where are the rest of the quotes? What kind of reporting is this?

  • vuyo.zuccherro.gqwaru - 2012-04-08 10:06

    What was he expecting? For Mandela to bring him flowers and shower him with kisses and occasionally take him for picnics? Times were tough and the only way to deal with cruel people or individuals was to dish out some cruelty, that way there would be no misunderstandings. www.spanela.wordpress.com

  • Rob - 2012-04-08 10:16

    I thought de Klerk was a hero back in 1990 for the changes he made. Now after 22 years all I see is thousands of whites murdered by those he set free and a country that is in turmoil & being plundered & " raped " by the cANCer that continues to suck the life out of a once great infrastructure that was streets ahead of anything the rest of africa could produce. Unfortunately he did the right thing though. Tough call.

      Rob - 2012-04-08 10:59

      Refiloe....Apologies, forgot to mention the thousands of blacks murdered by those de Klerk set free as well. I guess freedom just has different meanings to different people ! Dont worry or fear the White folk, its very rare indeed, to find whites murdering, raping & stealing from blacks.

      johncarlos.biza - 2012-04-08 11:15

      Apartheid was always going to come with repercussions (violence). I don't know why our 'most educated' demographic did not/does not get this.

      Rob - 2012-04-08 15:06

      Ngaka. Oh please man. Still playing the same old tune about stolen land etc, etc. Even under apartheid the average white citizen did not go out of his way to murder blacks or even steal from them. It was the state in the form of the SAPS & the SADF that encountered & shot & killed blacks involved with terrorism etc. I was wondering when someone like you would " pop up " with a stupid comment like that.

      Ngaka - 2012-04-08 16:37

      @Rob..It's either you are too stupid, or are too young. I fail to understand how could anybody intelligent say the issue of land is old, whilst the whole country is currently up in arms concerning the same issue. A word of advice,Robby.....use the right sources if you want to learn about the history of 'your' country, not the one sided and biased rubbish you base your argument on. SAPS & the SADF kill,encounter,shoot black terrorists ordered by government...a good example of rubbish that you believe in.Was Nelson Mandela a terrorist?...I guess he was because he was detained for a good 27 years of his life....Was Steve Biko a terrorist?...I think he also was a terrorist because he was brutally murdered by the SOUTH AFRICAN POLICE FORCE (I stand to be corrected on this one as his death is reported by sources as mysterious)....Was the young Hector Peterson a terrorist?....it makes me wonder.Maybe,Rob, if you can tell me what is a terrorist?

      Rob - 2012-04-08 16:58

      Ngaka. For the meaning of a terrorist I suggest you scroll up & read Eric Wests comment. Sums it up perfectly.And YES steve biko WAS murdered by the state, of that there is no doubt. What I am saying is that under apartheid it was not your average white person going around killing innocent blacks. Yet today, blacks are murdering whites left right & centre. Not the black controlled SAPS or SANDF, but rather your average black citizen is responsible. But no worries Ngaka, they are not racist, they are killing their own kind too ! I'm not too sure about Farmers deaths though, I have a feeling, as do many whites, that the killing of white farmers is organised & there is an agenda. I wish I were " too young " as you say. But unfortunately not

  • lavida.locca - 2012-04-08 10:19

    The journalist was drunk or spiritual high...the heading is misleading... it talks nothing bout unholy of Madiba ...Madiba is great Qhaaa

  • Rinus - 2012-04-08 10:19

    FW, you are part and parcel of a bitter bunch of white politicians who could not stay in the limelight. You sold out a large group of South Africans who trusted you (and Roelf Meyer). By walking out of the Government of National Unity early you prevented a prolonged period of skills transfer - something Mandela fought for. But you just made sure that your pension is protected and that you can fly for free on SAA for the rest of your life. Typical politician (just like Kortbroek). It is a fact that PW started the process of Mandela's release, but you got the Nobel prize. All because Mandela has integrity. Your relationship with Elitha (as a God-fearing, church going man with high morals!!) showed exactly who you really are. Stop trying to make headlines - you are history. Or rather, part of a sad history in SA politics. I have NO respect for you...

  • thapelo.devotion.mothibi - 2012-04-08 10:21

    If Nobleness,Charm,Integrity and be able to unify People is Cruel and unholy, then ill have to agree with Mr Deklerk. He idolize the unholy cruel men by saying his the greatest of his generation...lol

  • Mbali - 2012-04-08 10:28

    Th!s article is c0nfusin \r\nIt seemz to be c0ntradictn

  • Franklyn - 2012-04-08 10:39

    pure gutter sensationalism folks,i would like to have seen more of the speech published not just a few random quotes.

  • Graham - 2012-04-08 10:58

    I used to have huge respect for the man for what he helped accomplish. But now he is no different from the rest of the ANC. He has not once criticized the attach on the press, judiciary and the constitution by the current corrupt and incompetent leadership.

      donald.perumal - 2012-04-08 11:22

      That's his strength.He does not meddle in affairs of govt or be dragged into personal battles.His thoughts on farmers,whites,minorities and discrimination is well documented. Leave Madiba in peace!

  • Rinus - 2012-04-08 11:01

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/mandela-and-botha-the-crocodile--the-saint-744730.html This is a must read to put things into perspective...

  • Mesulie Vince' Ntombela - 2012-04-08 11:03

    Yeah yeah blah blah...Whatever...

  • Jacqui - 2012-04-08 11:04

    He may not be a holy man, but I sure wish we had a few more like him. Somehow that would have made the struggle worthwhile.

  • bashin.monyela - 2012-04-08 11:08

    Why are some white people so quick to latch onto any article that could probably critizise a black man? Your fight always seem to benefit you, its never selfless.

      Melania - 2012-04-08 13:16

      Maybe you should read it again and notice the compliment this time. Madiba was a freedom fighter and did some hard things to make a point like the bombings etc. End none of us are saints!

  • RAhul - 2012-04-08 11:09

    I can believe that. Most great minds aren't pious because they know religion is a scam. Don't get me wrong, their is a divine entity. But man devised religion, or man \documented\ the so-called \word\ of god. Don't know about the rest of you, but I don't trust man.

      Stewart Croucamp - 2012-04-08 11:13

      i agree with you Rahul

  • Vuyo - 2012-04-08 11:12

    It is very difficult for me to say whether Mandela is a hero or not . First tell me what he did to deserve being called a hero . At least we know what Oliver Tambo did , but Mandela was in jail , or do you become a hero just because you became a political prosoner who stayed in jail longer than others .Sisulu also stayed in jail but you don't hear anything about him .

      thapelo.devotion.mothibi - 2012-04-08 11:18

      You must remember or read that he once said he's prepaid to die... For what? Mahala? stop it chief Mandela is a HERO Who sacrificed his own freedom for ours, he could have exiled himself he wanted ffs.

      Vuyo - 2012-04-08 11:42

      @Sanele , please give me a list of the history books, maybe 2 or 3 and I will go and read .Otherwise I really don't know . Mandela was never a leader of the ANC until after his realese in 1990 , what then did he do that others have not done to deserve this title.

      donald.perumal - 2012-04-08 12:16

      A hero is a person who will suffer an unjust sentence with dignity,come out and forgive his jailers!A man who will still give the "apartheid agents" a fair trial,even though he did not get one.He will go on to make all and sundry welcome in SA ,even though he didn't enjoy freedom of movement or association through most of his active life,There!

      Khetha Hlophe - 2012-04-08 12:49

      Just come to cape town V

      Khetha Hlophe - 2012-04-08 12:50

      Just come to cape town V

      Khetha Hlophe - 2012-04-08 12:50

      Just come to cape town V

      Vuyo - 2012-04-08 13:51

      It looks like I'm not alone , nobody can tell me what Mandela did that others like Sisulu , Tambo , luthuli didn't do . In fact he did less as he was incarcerated with sisulu in jail all those years . @khetha- I was born in Nyanga and grew-up in Gugulethu . Cape town is my home town , so I don't need to come there to know Mandela . In 1976 I was a student in Gugulethu .

      Vuyo - 2012-04-08 15:41

      @cosment- so you say he is a hero because of the Nobel peace prize . But he shared it with De Klerk . So does it say they are both hero's .

      Melody - 2012-04-10 09:05

      At least all the criminals released can run for president in this country, all our so-called politicians are criminals in one sense or another

  • landy.mfamana - 2012-04-08 11:18

    wow wow can we leave de old man alone,he fought against blk nd wht ppl,aftr al his not God nd not perfect lyk any1. give that man a bells to drink.

  • Khetha Hlophe - 2012-04-08 11:18

    Why are we talking about saints and crocs.Dr N Mandela said himself after being released that He is not a Saint.What are we going to achieve with all this.We all know the roles played by diff individuals to be what we are.\r\nLet all happened be and stop stiring up violence.

      Vuyo - 2012-04-08 14:31

      Is somebody stirring up violence here . Tell us who it is .

  • Muhammed - 2012-04-08 11:22

    This article contradicts itself. Poor journalism.

  • Mark - 2012-04-08 11:22

    The last interview filmed with PW Botha 11 months before his death reveals exactly what he thought of FW de Klerk and his plans. Unfortunately you will not see it as no TV station in South Africa will show it!

  • Cedric Papa-Junior Kgatla - 2012-04-08 11:22

    @Vuyo,is u are truely south african u would why mandela was jailled and why south africa is freedom state,the difference is mandela negotiated PEACE instead of war,unlike other African leader Mandela is the only leader who secrifised for the interest of black community,despite the fact that he was jailled for such longtime,hey Mandela also led the rulling party Anc,he won nobell peace prise....he is a hero

  • wellington.chagonda - 2012-04-08 11:24

    to spent 27 years of your life in prison not for theft but for the fight for equality and a society where there is tolerance is no joke,i personally am very disappointed by people who judge someone who stood for the masses,is apartheid something to relive,chaos and death,its only for those who practised who see Nelson as no hero,shame on you!

  • Philip - 2012-04-08 11:27

    Holy man or not i think there is one thing that most of us can agree on is that Mandela is by far the best black president we have had in this country

  • ailsa.j.loudon - 2012-04-08 11:31

    About time people told the truth about 'beloved' Mandela! The world have made him an 'icon' but a terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist!!!!!!

  • Canibus - 2012-04-08 11:31

    just leave the old man alone people,he doesn't deserve it especially @ his age

  • Canibus - 2012-04-08 11:32

    just leave the old man alone people,he doesn't deserve it especially @ his age

  • Canibus - 2012-04-08 11:32

    just leave the old man alone people,he doesn't deserve it especially @ his age

  • Pule - 2012-04-08 11:37

    News24 is actually trying to disunite people.If you don't have news is not a sin just come to the rural area for powerful news in corruptions and frauds.Lindiwe Sisulu,Thabo Mbheki,Dlamini Zuma,Jacob zuma,Madikizela got top jobs not in merit,but because their surnames are famous in politics.Fellow South Africans DA is not apartheid party but oppositions party willing to deliver better than Anc.

  • Pieter - 2012-04-08 11:40

    FW and Madiba, 2 of the greatest leaders of our time.

  • Brent - 2012-04-08 11:44

    What a crap article... a couple of lines to get people emotional... I thought Trolling was a phenomenon that only related to posted comments...

  • Reshan - 2012-04-08 11:52

    South Africans hate because they want/need to hate. I have travelled through Africa and some parts of the world. I have walked into restaurants, concerts, bars... and struck random conversation with complete strangers and only in South Africa have a felt a blind hate from a complete stranger purely because of the colour of my skin. I have murdered none of their brothers, raped none of their sisters, stolen from none of the parents... and yet with one first sentence I have not only just been dismissed but had my life threatened because I simply politely greeted someone. In my experience from travelling all over South Africa I can tell you I have found that shabeen in the middle of a township is more home than a pub in the suburbs... A truth most will not accept…

  • tshivhombelaf - 2012-04-08 11:55

    There is news all over South Africa but N24 yet opted to divide people out of nowhere. This article does not meet any criterion of news selection.

  • tshivhombelaf - 2012-04-08 11:55

    There is news all over South Africa but N24 yet opted to divide people out of nowhere. This article does not meet any criterion of news selection.

  • RObert - 2012-04-08 11:55

    That was the last few words from de klerk,R.i.P sir.

  • Leon - 2012-04-08 11:57

    I love joseph stalin

  • Jento - 2012-04-08 12:00

    @ vuyo ,remember this if it was not because of him, you wouldnt have even the platform to make such comments, you parents must be one of many black south african that were selling our country to the whites, you blood agent

      Vuyo - 2012-04-09 11:42

      @Jento- Please read history properly . Mandela was released because of the release mandela campaings that were set by many people both inside and outside of the country . So we liberated him . The ANC leaders in exile refused to negotiate until political prisoners were released including him . So he should thank many for fighting for his release , not the other way round .

  • justice.mpho1 - 2012-04-08 12:02

    Mandela is no saint,let alone a holy man...he could've been holy (a christian) if he was not denied his freedom of movement by virtue of fighting for emancipation not only for himself but for those who believed in him..'sometimes you just have to fight fire with fire'. “one of the biggest South African leaders of my generation” not everyone has to be christians in order to be right...were not bound to be religiously enabled to see what's evil and what is not...like it or not Madiba is the greatest leader ever in South Africa.he is crowned for a reason and the masses agree with it.

  • Frans - 2012-04-08 12:04

    I don't see anything wrong with what F.W said about Madiba. In my humble/uneducated opinion he saw Madiba as a worthy opponent.

  • Corne - 2012-04-08 12:09

    At least Mandela didn't go around screwing another man's wife. That put De Klerk in the same league as Jacob Zuma.

      donald.perumal - 2012-04-08 12:52

      But then again de Klerk went a step further and stole his best friend's ...

      Grant - 2012-04-09 11:50

      Corne, We don't know what he got up to before he got arrested but his former wife made some startling allegations at their divorce in court back in the 1950s.

  • Alex - 2012-04-08 12:17

    Mandela, needed to make his presence known and at the end of the day it was for the good. But his followers have gotten lost in a world of greed, corruption and a foolish form or seeking power but implementing negligence and misleading the poor. If only Mandela was a bit younger to guide his wanna be followers and keep them on the path of positive democracy and equality. Let all admit no one it perfect but he sure is close to it if one thinks how far one man managed to get a country.

  • Twolips - 2012-04-08 12:18

    This is a poorly presented article resulting in, once again, ugly and unnecessary, hurtful comments.

  • stephen.cole1 - 2012-04-08 12:27

    Mandela may not be a holy man but the former South African Government were not either ! It was the former Governments evil apartheid system and pure disastrous action against its own people that felled it and made a man like Mandela holy hero !

  • Vuyo - 2012-04-08 12:28

    Very poor journalism Lizel, reporting an article as absurd as this one, leaves a lot to be desired were ur journalism skills are concern. this article lacks substance and definately not in line with its heading, very dissapointing.

  • Malavi - 2012-04-08 12:34

    @kevin, How can u take pride when SANDF murdered people without weapons? Look what happened to your father ET, who consider himself a worthy opponent? He was mutilated by 15yr old:)