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Mantashe: Lyrics meant to inspire

2011-04-19 13:11

Johannesburg - The intention of the struggle song containing the lyrics "awudubhule ibhunu" (shoot the boer) is to inspire and mobilise people, ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe told the Equality Court on Tuesday.

He was testifying in the hate speech case against ANC Youth League president Julius Malema.

Mantashe said liberation songs had no copyright and, because of this, any other liberation movement, such as the Pan Africanist Congress, could sing them too.

It had yet to be determined where the song originated, he said.

Earlier, poet and ANC veteran Wally Serote told the court the victims of apartheid had sought noble ways of healing the country.

Afrikaner interest group AfriForum has taken Malema to court, contending that his singing of the struggle song constitutes hate speech.

Serote said that if Malema were to get out of hand, the "elders" of the ANC would sit him down and talk to him.

He said Malema had a right to act like a youth, because he was a youth.

Serote agreed with the view, expressed in court by Science and Technology Deputy Minister Derek Hanekom last week, that a "national dialogue" on the matter was needed.

The poet also believed the song was not linked to any farm killings.

Comments
  • AJ - 2011-04-19 13:15

    Which people is it supposed to 'inspire' and 'mobilise' then? Certainly not everyone, so are you admitting to divisiveness then Mr Mantashe?

      Protest - 2011-04-19 13:29

      The ANC defense is doing a sterling job of strengthening the Agriforum case. Initially the song was made to be harmless. Now it is to 'inspire' and 'mobilize'. I find this article very "inspiring".

      whiteass - 2011-04-19 13:37

      The reality is that regardless of the outcome of this case on the use of this so called inspirational song I think there will be more division that ever before.

      PilgrimX - 2011-04-19 13:42

      Malema, Madikizela and Mantashe ("kill the boer trio")- all so shallow and of poor intellect. To not understand the effects of their song and what it means, is the hight of stupidity and zero intelligence. Their motive is clear as daylight - to instigate racial hatred. To top it all, there is that Hanekom guy defending them. What is his motive, because I cannot believe that he is so stupid?

      mike - 2011-04-19 13:43

      it is meant to inspire and mobilise people to shoot the boer - i thought that that is pretty obvious

      Krush - 2011-04-19 13:58

      Yeah it inspires all right - it inspires people to commit murder.

      LBS - 2011-04-19 14:06

      Inspire and to mobilise TO KILL THE BOER! (White Farmers and citizens!)

      LBS - 2011-04-19 14:07

      This alone should be enough to win the case by Afriform!

      Francois - 2011-04-19 14:09

      I wonder why mr Mantashe also allows youths to vote? In SA, if you are over the age of 18, you are allowed to vote and you are allowed to serve in the police and armed forces - thus Malema is NOT a youth anymore and the ANC elders do not get him in line, since they fear the fact that he might withdraw youth league support from them and he needs to convey the populist message to the masses! Definitely not a youth, mr Mantashe, as you are definitely not white or honest - not that the one is a prerequisite for the other, mr Van Schalkwyk?

      Krush - 2011-04-19 14:15

      @PilgrimX. They all suffer from Robert Mugabe Syndrome or more commonly known as ISS (Intellectual Stupidity Syndrome). People most commonly affected by this disease tend to have large mouths and singular count brain cells. They are currently doing tests to determine the cause of this rapidly spreading disease. It is believed it may be the result of being exposed to government mandated training curriculums. The most obvious symptom of this syndrome is voting for the ANC.

      Greg - 2011-04-19 14:16

      Didn't you mother teach you any manners you little runt? Referring to this - lekomonisi - 6 minutes ago Report comment @AJ it is obvious you are not one of them, firstly your are not black and you have not struggled in your life your mother, father and grandfather exploited my country to benefit you so shut up. **Clearly you think no white person ever struggled. Besides being an arrogant little twerp, you are also stupid. Now why don't you shut the F up, git!

      Shistirrer - 2011-04-19 14:19

      Malema is "youth" at age 32??? WTF? Maybe only because he is still "inkwenkwe", that's all. Kiddie Amin LOL!!!!

      REVO - 2011-04-19 14:22

      I LOVE SPORT!! Come on South Africa..with 45 million to choose from surely you can play soccer???? v 5 Million dedicated rugby enthusiasts who have already won 2 world cups!!! BRING IT ON!!! Surely you have something to learn from us!!

      Larissa - 2011-04-19 14:23

      Mantashe: Lyrics meant to inspire - sticks and stones can break your bone, but words can kill....

      croix - 2011-04-19 14:36

      The fact of the matter is : IT OFFENDS HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of WHITE People - So it should be banned. Unless of course, that is exactly what you WANT TO DO?

      bent5000 - 2011-04-19 15:05

      I recon Hanekom is going to get shot by a boer. I know if i was a farmer I would want to shoot him in the face.

      Ricksta - 2011-04-19 15:27

      @lekomonisi - Your country ? This is my country too and your ANC is exploiting it far more than any whites did in the past. To top it off they are only benefiting THEMSELVES. It doesn't mean I go around singing songs to kill black people. I'm not denying the fact that black people struggled but who says it was only blacks who struggled ? The more black people stop living in the past and blame everything on the whites the quicker this country will move forward. Clearly you have a huge chip on your shoulder and it is that very same chip that is preventing many blacks in this country to make this country a really great one. So, you shut up and look to the future while you still can as unfortunately there's nothing you, me, Malema, the ANC or anyone on this planet can do to change the past.

  • Madelane - 2011-04-19 13:16

    Indeed the words are meant to inspire the foolish to kill the boer / farmer......weird logic but then it is the ANC I suppose.

      mlh@24.com - 2011-04-19 13:29

      Exactly Madelane! The anc DONT understand the word 'logic'! The illiterate criminal whose lives are based on literal understanding hear so-called 'leaders' [ie. anc] chant these words and then act upon them!! That we even have to have a court case where these WARMONGERS try to say its ok is unbelievable!!! But then, I suppose, this is third world 'logic'... No wonder the rest of the civilised world think SA is a joke!!!

      daaivark - 2011-04-19 14:03

      @mlh: Quick devil's advocate job: You live here in the third world, right? So the "logic" you apply, where does that stem from?

      ChrisG - 2011-04-19 14:19

      @daaivark: that's a bit of a stupid question when we're living in the global community. Logic and opinions are shaped by a lot more than just the country we're living in.

      SaintBruce - 2011-04-21 10:05

      Inspirational - is to get people to take action that they would not normally have taken themselves. Subject: Shoot the boer. Action step: Find a Boer and shoot him / her / them. Who is a Boer? If a system, this is created and run by individuals / groups, all political systems are - so we are back to individuals / groups to be the subject of the "inspiration" - to shoot them. To shoot : Objective - to cause harm or death. This has nothing to do with defeating Apartheid which has already been dismantled but can only mean one group being inspired to commit acts of violence (shoot is violent intent) against another group which is named in this case - The Boer. Common definition for over 200 years of the "boer" = white afrikaans speaking farmers and more recently civilian folk engaged in other activities but from the same population group. All the beating around the bush does not change the meaning of the song to the general public. Under reconciliation principles to sing / chant such words is : divisive, inciteful and most likely hate speech. Conclusion: This song or these words have NO place in a modern society nor one that claims to be civil. No public airing to be allowed.

  • paulf - 2011-04-19 13:16

    Who really is attempting to rewrite history? Is the controversial song urging the killing of “Boers” truly part of the ANC’s liberation struggle heritage, or are such claims simply an ingenuous, or perhaps sinister, attempt by the ANC leadership to defend its Youth League leader Julius Malema by distorting the historical truth? Or is the ANC itself trying to rewrite history after it accused the courts of doing so when two successive court rulings found the song to incite racial hatred – findings in line with one already made by the Human Rights Commission (HRC) as long ago as 2003? These are questions that come to the fore from an investigation into the origins of the controversial song, "Dubula iBhunu". The truth seems to be that words to the same effect first were chanted in Pan-Africanist Congress (PAC) circles in the early 1990s along with their infamous slogan of “one settler, one bullet”. Shortly thereafter, the late ANC youth leader Peter Mokaba borrowed the slogan and began chanting his “kill the Boer, kill the farmer” version in 1993 after the murder of ANC and Communist Party leader, Chris Hani. In none of the sources on the origins of the song which could be identified, could any indication be found that the song has ever been part of the ANC repertoire of songs during the struggle days. Although the controversial song sung by Malema is claimed now to be a historical liberation struggle song, it was not included in a 2-CD history and recording of 25 freedom songs released in 2002. Senior ANC and former Umkhonto we Sizwe leaders, including Ronnie Kasrils, Baleka Mbete and Pallo Jordan among others, had collaborated in the production of the collection. At the time of its release, the CD set was described as a collection of field recordings of songs and chants used in the liberation struggle, complemented by a radio documentary providing an overview of the songs, their history and context in the struggle. These songs were sung in ANC camps, at meetings, mass rallies, demonstrations and other gatherings. The set, it was said, was designed as an archival and historical document. Nowhere did it mention “kill the Boer, kill the farmer” or “shoot the Boer”. All indications are that the slogan or chant and the song, or even songs that developed from it, originated with the Pan Africanist Congress (PAC). In August 1999, Thomas Ramaila told the Truth and Reconciliation Commission that he had been a PAC operative and had been influenced by what he called a PAC slogan, namely “kill the farmer, kill the Boer” to kill a farmer, Neville Rudman. Most of Ramaila’s testimony and his amnesty application were rejected, but his reference to the slogan was not. The slogan/song in any version was used first in circles associated with the PAC in the early 1990s, although the PAC never officially took ownership of it and, after the first democratic elections of 1994, distanced itself from it. At almost the same time, the ANC’s Mokaba began using the slogan in 1993 when the armed struggle for all intents and purposes was a thing of the past. In that same year, a large crowd of PAC supporters marched through Cape Town’s Kenilworth and Claremont suburbs, demanding the release of PAC members who had been arrested in connection with the massacre of 11 churchgoers at the St. James Church and chanted “kill the Boer, kill the farmer”, “one settler, one bullet” and “one church, one bomb”. Also in 1993, at a rally in Tembisa near Johannesburg, both Mokaba and a PAC representative used these or similar words in speeches to the large crowd. Mokaba reportedly also urged the crowd to direct their “bullets” at then president FW de Klerk, declaring that he hated De Klerk. To which the PAC representative added, “war against the enemy... kill them”. In March this year, a former participant in an August 1993 march (called “Operation Barcelona”) against increased exam fees in Cape Town, wrote in a comment to an article on the Internet, that he was among PASO (PAC student wing) students in the march who chanted “kill the Boer, kill the farmer” immediately before American student Amy Biehl was killed by members of that mob. In 2002, then president Thabo Mbeki, as president of the ANC, and in 2003 then ANC secretary-general Kgalema Motlanthe - who is now ANC deputy president - firmly and unambiguously distanced the ANC from any such song or slogan, saying it had never been, and would never be, a part of the ANC. No claim was made then that it – in any form - ever had been an ANC liberation struggle song. That is until now, when, in March this year, Malema began singing a generic version of Mokaba’s chant. Suddenly senior ANC leaders, among them secretary-general Gwede Mantashe, are claiming this to be an old ANC liberation struggle song that apparently never was sung to incite violence against white farmers or whites in general, but was aimed against the apartheid regime. Mcebisi Ndletyana, senior researcher at the Human Science Research Council - in another defence of the song and attack on the judges who ruled against its use in an article in "The Sunday Independent" - claims the song embodies black hatred of “whiteness”, but not of people of European descent... with a very wooly explaination of what the difference is intended to be. No documentary or other evidence could be found that the chant or related songs were indeed ANC liberation songs before 1993, when the liberation struggle was practically over and constitutional negotiations in full swing. The Mokaba chant of “kill the farmer, kill the Boer” was next heard in June 2002 at an ANC Youth League meeting in Kimberley, and at Mokaba’s funeral in Limpopo. The funeral was attended by prominent ANC leaders, including Nelson Mandela and Mbeki, and the chanting was stopped immediately. The Freedom Front lodged a complaint of hate speech with the HRC, which subsequently rejected it. However Mbeki, as president of the ANC and the country at the time, on 19 June of that year told Parliament: “Nobody in our country has a right to call for the killing of any South African, whatever the colour, race, ethnic origin, gender or health condition of the intended victim. Those farmers and boers are as much South African and African as I am...” In June 2003, the HRC, chaired by Professor Karthy Govender, assisted by Professor Henk Botha and Mr Khashane Manamela, heard an appeal by the Freedom Front against the earlier HRC ruling. In their decision, delivered on 15 July, they overturned the earlier HRC ruling and found that the slogan "Kill the farmer, kill the boer" as chanted at the ANC youth rally in Kimberley and at the funeral of Mokaba constituted hate speech as defined in section 16(2)(c) of the Constitution. What is even more interesting is that part of the record of submissions made to the HRC at the time contains a letter from Motlanthe, then ANC secretary-general, stating that the ‘’utterance has never been, cannot and will never be a slogan of the ANC, not used by the ANC at all.’’ The logical assumption then is that, according to Motlanthe, it was not part of the ANC’s liberation struggle heritage.

      Jonathan - 2011-04-19 13:37

      Some interesting thoughts - original article appears to be here - http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread690732/pg1

      daaivark - 2011-04-19 14:04

      Paulf: This is very detailed and I appreciate that, but you have posted this lengthy screed in several places already.

      paulf - 2011-04-19 14:11

      @Daaivark, I know I have posted in a few places. I just want people to be made aware that this same topic was raised in 2003. It was then constituted as hate speech under section 16(2)(c) of the constitution.

      paulf - 2011-04-19 14:20

      What's more to the post is where it originated from the PAC. There are a number of answers in my post with regards to this court case.

      MeltdowN - 2011-04-19 14:28

      @PAULF Thanks for putting this here, i was never aware of such ongoing before now... very enlightening. *sigh* what is our suffering country to do about this spiral of madness we are caught in... :(

      paulf - 2011-04-19 14:32

      @MeltdowN I am pleased to hear you appreciate the post. Yes it is very enlightening and am amazed that nobody knows or very few know about the past hearing. Well I am glad that I have managed to enlighten the subject to those that are interested. The post actually enlightens a lot of answers in the current court case.

      joe van der Merwe - 2011-04-19 16:44

      Thanks Paul,what a post.Have a feeling I know you.Keep up the good work,thanks

      SaintBruce - 2011-04-21 10:14

      Paul - can you send this to Judge Lamont? I wonder whether ANC cadres like Motlanthe actually remember what they have said in this context previously? Surely their counsel will have researched this? The findings of Judge Lamont, in light of the above , publicised information, will be very interesting indeed. My basic legal understanding is that any older ruling has to be considered when ruling again on the same subject with great care. I can only hope the Afriforum legal team have been similarly briefed with the history of this 'slogan / chant / song". We don't need divisive rubbish getting this much attention - but it must be put to bed once and for all eternity.

  • Grant - 2011-04-19 13:17

    "He said Malema had a right to act like a youth, because he was a youth" Excuse me - he is 32 years old!

      Len - 2011-04-19 13:34

      He doesnt even have the brain of a youth.

      FaxM8 Fax - 2011-04-19 13:35

      Well know they only reach maturity when they turn 50

      IandI - 2011-04-19 13:37

      Juju will be a "youth" until he is 35 yrs old, by ANCYL criteria. After that he will be just a Doos.

      SonOfAfrica - 2011-04-19 13:40

      he is 29 fool

      The realist - 2011-04-19 13:43

      @Faxm8 fax I cant believe you, how insulting, how dare you say that.... Never Ever insult the number 50 like that... Its round about the 70 mark :-)

      jdeeathome - 2011-04-19 13:48

      he's a big baby

      Lump of coal - 2011-04-19 13:50

      Actually the fool turned 30 this year !!!!! Soon his age waist and IQ will all be WUNN NUMBA !!!!!

      Grant - 2011-04-19 13:57

      Correction - jelli totsi was born 3 March 1981 - he is now 30 not 32 or 29

      logical007 - 2011-04-19 13:59

      @ son of Africa The age in which a person is considered a "youth", and thus eligible for special treatment under the law and throughout society varies around the world. * "Youth... those persons between the ages of 15 and 24 years." - United Nations General Assembly[6] * "...youth ... comprises persons between the age of 15 and 24. It is used by ... the World Bank" - World Bank.[7] * The Commonwealth Youth Programme works with "young people (aged 15-29)."[8] * "A person... under 21 years of age." - National Highway Traffic Safety Administration[9] * "People between the ages of 14 and 21." - Wilson School District[10] * "Youth; an individual from 13 through 19 years of age." - Alternative Homes for Youth, Inc[11]

      daaivark - 2011-04-19 14:06

      @SonofAfrica: Where did you get your data from?

      Derek Chapma - 2011-04-19 14:55

      Malema has an IQ of 32

      Phinjo - 2011-04-19 14:57

      A person is classified as youth until 35 YEARS you moron, you dont even know? Bloody racist/Agent. In South Africa you jump or bahave. You time is up, in 1994 if my memory still serves me well.

      Skietlood - 2011-04-19 15:18

      I wonder if he has ever done a day's real work paid tax!

      Point Blank - 2011-04-20 09:15

      @Phinjo, 35??? Hahahaha, you such a doofuss

  • Dal68 - 2011-04-19 13:18

    Terrorists me thinks........

  • paulf - 2011-04-19 13:18

    He said Malema had a right to act like a youth, because he was a youth. A Youth at the ripe age of 30 years old? Don't make me laugh dumb ass!!!!

  • baasdingane - 2011-04-19 13:18

    Inspire? inspiration to kill the white people?

  • Point Blank - 2011-04-19 13:18

    Sorry I don't buy it. Singing lyrics about killing people is hardly inspiring, unless you a killer.

  • gizzy - 2011-04-19 13:19

    Youth at 30? Most men are married with children at that age. I suppose that buffoon's IQ will always render him a youth!!!!

      Kooven - 2011-04-19 13:24

      Infant perhaps!lol

      steve - 2011-04-19 13:30

      youth are usually more intelligent than this block head.

      schmurtle - 2011-04-19 14:42

      whats the rush these guys can have multiple wives and children.

  • will294 - 2011-04-19 13:19

    Should inspire them to go out and murder a few more farmers

  • Flinger - 2011-04-19 13:19

    Inspire they have...what are the farm murder stats from 2000 - 2011 compaired to the years before that? If it was only the odd wage dispute or a robbery gone wrong, it would be obvious but farm murders are brutal in nature and clearly meant to exterminate...from 3 month old babies to old and helpless grand parents in their 80's....this inspiration knows no boundaries.

  • DeonL - 2011-04-19 13:20

    Hopefully not inspire to kill.

  • Fred - 2011-04-19 13:20

    I always find calls to commit genocide inspirational.

  • rinuseckard - 2011-04-19 13:20

    And what are they motivated to do when mobilized and inspired?

  • Will99 - 2011-04-19 13:20

    To inspire what??

  • Janice - 2011-04-19 13:20

    INSPIRE WHO EXACTLY, YOU MORONIC IDIOT!

  • CTS - 2011-04-19 13:23

    So show your cards clearly Mr Mantashe - who are you & Julius trying to inspire and what for, since you're still singing this song 16 years after your ANC came into power. Are you saying the killing should still go on?

  • jinj - 2011-04-19 13:24

    Mantashe are you for real...?? Everytime i read a comment you make i cant help bursting into laughter. I like the new look...got that 'Harlem' thing going on 'n all. did you remember to bring the cook book they gave you to ensure the crack you smoke is clean and pure coz you're definatley smoking the rocks ekse...

      rix.wallace - 2011-04-20 12:18

      rofl :)

  • whiteass - 2011-04-19 13:26

    The problem with the ANC and its leaders is that they are very selective in what they see as offensive or racist. They are playing a game where they are trying to come across as a friend to all, the danger with that is it always backfires.

  • Kooven - 2011-04-19 13:27

    There's no need for these songs in modern society. They should be left in the history books...A Leader trying to inspire his uneducated people by singing 'Shoot the Boere'??? What do you think is going to happen Mantashe..

  • FerretGee - 2011-04-19 13:28

    Surely you cease being a "youth" when you hit 30, methinks after 25 you are no longer youth! Again, I say that any song that has the words or meanings to kill someone should not be sung in public places or forums. By all means keep the song in your history museum, but remember that there are many of the populace who will take the words literally and will in fact be incited to carry out the actions.

  • Jean - 2011-04-19 13:28

    OK so how long wil Malema be seen as a "youth" .. he is a couple of years older than me and I do not see myself as youth anymore. Just becvause he behaves like a spoilt 5 year old brat does NOT meen he is one. May the flees of a thousand donkeys infest his genitals and lay egs in them so they rot off !! Oh yes I agree these words are ment to inspire . . inspire the blacks to kills the whites !! FFS . .

      Len - 2011-04-19 13:39

      His head has already been infested with flees. Cant rot off because he has none.

  • Donald Mathray - 2011-04-19 13:28

    Mr Mantashe Who was Julius trying to inspire?If we have to correct the past we don't need songs for that.In the 70's and 80's there was a need as we were hungry and frustrated,now we have a government which can make up for our past experiences and losses.This song should be sung in meetings and gathering of comrades not to the masses who are frustrated and hungry because the government is unable to deliver.We should stop singing and start working to give our people the dignity they deserve. For the memory of Andries Tatane lets get it right.

      paulf - 2011-04-19 13:35

      Well said there dude!!!

      daaivark - 2011-04-19 14:07

      BRAVO Donald!!!!

      PussyGalore - 2011-04-19 15:03

      @Phinjo Evolution issues Phinjo?

      Together - 2011-04-19 15:47

      Relax, Phinjo, your racism is showing. That's just how the apartheid Nats used to sound - it's like deja vu.

  • Shadoz - 2011-04-19 13:29

    what do these idiots wanna mobilize. god we must be the laughing stock of the world right now. We have a president that rapes and then says he showered. He has multiple wives that also suck us taxpayers dry. And now we have this idiot malema and his cronies trying to justify a racist and stupid chant.

      bent5000 - 2011-04-19 16:15

      THESE ANC BUFFOONS ARE RUNNING OUR COUNTRY FLAT OUT INTO THE F*CKEN GROUND. MAKES ME SICK.

  • Currie_Mafia - 2011-04-19 13:29

    Inspire and mobilise is exactly what we need...please inspire & mobilise the lazy municipal workers in my city...I've tried SINGING but the STRUGGLE continues...

  • MaanDonkie - 2011-04-19 13:30

    This opens a drum of worms!!! In other words if it is justified by the courts (lets hope sanity prevails) for Malkoppie to sing this song (and in view of the fact that he is a future leader of this country) Then surely it is ok for me to teach my kids that black people should be called the dreaded K@#$%R word! Surely that should not envoke any feeling of dissatisfaction as it was part of a culture during the previous regime. Freedom songs are part of history unless the ANC still feel that their current situation is a "struggle". Why sing the song?

      daaivark - 2011-04-19 14:08

      So do you also believe that 2 wrongs make a right?

      rix.wallace - 2011-04-20 12:27

      no, two wrongs don't make a right, but if you continue to provoke people long enough surely one can expect to see retaliation?? this racist to and fro is really getting tired, don't we have more important issues to deal with? trying to root out racism would be a good place to start and uhhm... to lead by example maybe?

  • Sello - 2011-04-19 13:30

    VIVA COMDATE MANTASHE.SRUGGLE SONG ALSO HELP US TO REMEMBER WHERE WE COME FROM.WE WERE ALSO SINGING THEM ALONG OUR WHITE COMDRADES AT VASITY.THEY NEVER FELT THREATENED.SELLO,TSHWANE.

      gizzy - 2011-04-19 13:38

      Where is this VASITY you talk about sello? Are there whites in vasity?

      SSRat - 2011-04-19 13:48

      Comdate, is that a type of fruit? I don't care where you come from, I only care where we as a notion are going.

      whiteass - 2011-04-19 13:49

      Let me guess you are a first year student for the last seven years studying on an ANC scholarship in POLITICAL SCINCE

      The realist - 2011-04-19 13:49

      Learn to speak properly you numb nut...and spell properly while you're at it...oh..wait...you're behind Julius, forget I said anything

      Vetkoek1 - 2011-04-19 13:56

      Perhaps if you'd spent a little more time concentrating on studying rather than singing outdated, hate-filled songs, then you'd at least employ the correct use of grammar and be able to spell Varsity? That's become a pretty common occurence on campus these days though, students burning books and toyi-toying when they should be studying.

      Grant - 2011-04-19 14:00

      Check out his f/b profile...LLB at wits 1994. Don't go to this law firm!

      daaivark - 2011-04-19 14:09

      SSRat: We as a "notion"????

      daaivark - 2011-04-19 14:11

      2 The Realist: Some of the commentators here have spelling that isn't much better, so let's hold back on that one, shall we. Check whiteass and his POLITICAL SCINCE.

      DeonL - 2011-04-19 14:32

      Yes my "Inglish" is also not great, but maybe it is these SMS'e that is the culprit. University is a place where more people should learn, not learn to sing.

      jinj - 2011-04-19 15:18

      Sello you're sssluring your words, if you are at VARSITY they are not doing a good job!! And if you're drinking on campus (coz it sounds like it)i'm telling on you...

      bent5000 - 2011-04-19 16:19

      Sello? help you remember? So without the song you and the buffoons who agree with you will forget your past? Please man. Go and sing mandoza or something like that at 'vasity' You're a disgrace to what Mandela fought for...

      Educated - 2011-04-19 16:53

      Grow up already, and if you don't know where you came from then ask your mother and make some notes while you're at it just so you can remember.

      Ho Hum@24.com - 2011-04-20 07:08

      So you were at VASITY..? No doubt you are now head of an international fund management company employing lots of your COMDRADES.... Let me know when you run out of peanuts...I'll send you some more...

  • jinj - 2011-04-19 13:31

    ...as for 'W(a)illey Serote' your name sounds like a newley discovered Venerial disease. Go play in the traffic with your glue sniffing kids a55hole!!!!

      gizzy - 2011-04-19 13:39

      Walley who? What does he do?

      daaivark - 2011-04-19 14:12

      Do you have any idea who Mr Serote is?

      daaivark - 2011-04-19 14:15

      @gizzy: Wiki is your friend. "He was a Fulbright Scholar and received a fine arts degree from Columbia University in 1979. He was not able to return to South Africa and he began a life in exile, living in Botswana and London, where he was involved in the Medu Art Ensemble. In 1993, he won the Noma Award for Publishing in Africa. In 2004, he received the Pablo Neruda award from the Chilean government.

      gizzy - 2011-04-19 14:26

      Thanks daaivark. So important and yet nobody has heard of him??? Could that be why he wanted his day in court? Cynical me!

      daaivark - 2011-04-19 14:48

      Actually Gizzy, he is very well known. BUT he was banned in Apartheid South Africa, so it is true, not many white people are familiar with his work. But he IS a well respected figure internationally. He just misses the point a bit here.

      Skietlood - 2011-04-19 15:23

      The fact is that this Serote was the one that prevented that names of deceased white soldiers that died during the border war could be displayed in the wall of rememberance. That means that he is a racist swine and does not want reconciliation in SA.

      Together - 2011-04-19 15:49

      I was fond of Mr Serote's work, but his concept of a 30-year-old youth is strange. Is it relative? Does a 50-year-old seem like a youth to a 70-year-old? If that's the case, Mr Malema could remain a youth for another 20 years.

  • denman - 2011-04-19 13:32

    Here's a link for what the actual meaning for mobilise is: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/mobilise

  • Jean - 2011-04-19 13:32

    Not too long ago the NC atempted to convince us that THE ANCYL is not the ANC so they can not be held responsable for the actions of the ANCYL leader Monkey man Julias Malema. Now they are supporting him like he is ? make up your minds you bafoons .

      daaivark - 2011-04-19 14:16

      "buffoons"??

  • Vaal Donkie - 2011-04-19 13:33

    The more pertinent question is what are people "inspired" and "mobilised" to do.

      Steveribs - 2011-04-19 14:09

      That is exactly my question. As usual he can make a wild vague statement such as the "song" is meant to inspire and mobilise people, but he blatantly evades the explanation of what it is that people are inspired and mobilised to do. We all know it means SHOOT (KILL) the boer.

  • bill - 2011-04-19 13:33

    I admit it. I was wrong. Gwede is as stupid as he looks. Little stalinist creep.

  • Daniel Jones - 2011-04-19 13:33

    The only way to deal with the fat worm when he gets out of hand is to trample him to death!

  • vandermerwe.martin - 2011-04-19 13:34

    Inspire and motivate the people to kill, that's all, i'm now starting a struggle song myself.........

  • Robert Cerff - 2011-04-19 13:34

    "(shoot the boer) is to inspire and mobilise people" Um... mobilise and inspire people to do what? To what/who? Please define that.

  • FaxM8 Fax - 2011-04-19 13:34

    Why do the anc still need to mobilise and inspire their people they are running the country ??

  • Sammajoor - 2011-04-19 13:35

    We also don't know what the origin of the word "Kaffer" is, so let's keep on using it then. It was part of the white man's struggle to civilize the continent.

      Brandon - 2011-04-19 13:38

      Actually we do know the origin. Its from Arabic, meaning "unbeliever", which is quite funny and ironic...as they believe anything and everything someone like Julias says.

      gizzy - 2011-04-19 13:54

      Don't behave like Malema. Your racism achieves nothing!

      Brandon - 2011-04-19 13:56

      Gizzy...where’s the racism??!! You fuucking moron.

      daaivark - 2011-04-19 14:17

      @ Brandon. If you can't see it, I'm afraid no-one can help you. People that disagree with you are not necessarily morons. Twit.

      gizzy - 2011-04-19 14:29

      Thanks Brandon, you have just confirmed your stupidity! Can't reply intelligently and then resort to swearing. No better than Malema! If you can't see the racism in your comment then I'm afraid I can't help you!

  • diode - 2011-04-19 13:36

    murderers that's exactly what you guys are trying to make it seem so innocent, a 700% higher farm murder rate that in any other country is proof enough that singing sh*t like this is irresponsible and barbaric. You've got plenty other struggle songs to sing but you want to sing these that incite hate towards minority groups. o ja Mr Hanekom you also have the blood of many farmers on your hands because of your greed for money and power, pathetic loser you are.

  • Ruby Jane - 2011-04-19 13:39

    He is not lying!! It is inspiring, people...don't deny it...it inspires people to kill the farmers...

  • Mad Hatter - 2011-04-19 13:40

    Verb 1. mobilise - call to arms; of military personnel mobilize, rally, call up send for, call - order, request, or command to come; "She was called into the director's office"; "Call the police!" 2. mobilise - get ready for war mobilize militarise, militarize - lend a military character to (a country), as by building up a military force; "militarize Germany again after the war" demob, demobilise, demobilize - retire from military service 3. mobilise - make ready for action or use; "marshal resources" mobilize, marshal, summon gather, pull together, collect, garner - assemble or get together; "gather some stones"; "pull your thoughts together" 4. mobilise - cause to move around; "circulate a rumor" mobilize, circulate move, displace - cause to move or shift into a new position or place, both in a concrete and in an abstract sense; "Move those boxes into the corner, please"; "I'm moving my money to another bank"; "The director moved more responsibilities onto his new assistant" Is he a defence witness ?

      daaivark - 2011-04-19 14:18

      He shouldn't be there anyway!

  • Deon Krause - 2011-04-19 13:42

    inspire to do what? Murder?

  • Chanelle Greef - 2011-04-19 13:44

    "He said Malema had a right to act like a youth, because he was a youth." He's over 30 years old. When is he going to grow up?

  • Wildebeest - 2011-04-19 13:44

    Lets sing shoot the black man and see if it inspires people.

      Frederik - 2011-04-19 14:37

      Yes, kill a black kill a criminal kill a rapist kill a currupt ANC supporter

      Wayne - 2011-04-19 15:20

      One Township, one Gunship.

  • Jynxd - 2011-04-19 13:44

    @ Landl... HA!HA!HA!HA! That was very funny.

  • PilgrimX - 2011-04-19 13:45

    I once heard a bunch of white kids sing "De La Rey". It caused goosebumps. I was also inspired...

      Frederik - 2011-04-19 14:38

      mmmm De La Ray, a song about a old general's story, nothing about taking up arms. vs kill the boer song, whats your point? like comparing jonas brother to akon

  • spiral - 2011-04-19 13:47

    ok i see 2 problems: 1- "is to inspire and mobilise people" by shooting the boer?? 2- "Malema had a right to act like a youth, because he was a youth." he's not a bloody youth!! Just goes to show the depth of intellegence this country is in a battle with!

  • Notuagain - 2011-04-19 13:50

    This reminds me of the 5 Japanese soldiers they found hiding in the Jungle +-25 years after the 2nd World War. Nobody came to tell them it was over. Dear Gwede, Julias and friends.....it's over. No need for your song anymore. Gwede is just doing a huge ass-kissing job on Julias. Juju has in the past said he wants to replace him. Typical politician doing a flip-flop.

      Sammajoor - 2011-04-20 02:45

      That is the point - it's not over. It will not be over until the struggle song is realized fully. In other words, until the white man is eradicated from the black struggling continent. It's a genocide song and the genocide is not over yet.

  • nws - 2011-04-19 13:51

    inspire them to kill people that is the only answer i can think of ancyl is widening the racial gap in south Africa slowly but surely we are heading for a race war if things go on like this

      The realist - 2011-04-19 13:58

      Only this time the entire ANC bit off more than they can chew... They've proceeded to show that the are against coloureds and indians as well... Where are we going people?

      bent5000 - 2011-04-19 16:24

      Realist.. with these cats running our country? INTO THE F*CKEN GROUND

  • sbouttell - 2011-04-19 13:51

    And it does Gwede, it really does - inspire them, that is. It inspires them to kill you f**king moron.

  • Evan - 2011-04-19 13:53

    WTF ever - Mantashe is a moron.