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Many expats want to come home

2011-07-10 08:58

Johannesburg – There has been an increase in South Africans overseas indicating that they want to return to SA.

Homecoming Revolution said blog visitors had increased by 137% from February 2010 to February 2011.

Brigitte Britten-Kelly, managing director of the company, said the recession played a role especially among South Africans in the UK, the US, Ireland and Dubai, as well as in Australia and New Zealand.

But getting a job in some sectors in South Africa was still difficult and this kept some from returning.

Alana Bailey from Afriforum said government had missed a golden opportunity during the recession to lure skilled people back to the country.

Bailey said coming back to SA was a costly exercise and many families couldn’t afford the R20 000 to R60 000 that it took to come back – especially if they could not be sure of permanent employment.

Bailey also said many young South Africans were worried about ANCYL leader Julius Malema’s comments about nationalisation. 

Britten-Kelly was positive, however, that there would be a continued interest in returning to SA and said people who were worried about Malema’s comments and wanted to leave the country should realise that many who left the country found after a few years that the grass was not really greener elsewhere.

Comments
  • Agfa - 2011-07-10 09:05

    Been in NZ for over two years now and while financially it's not easier I cannot imagine living in South Africa again.

      DoublySalmon - 2011-07-10 09:18

      So true, I won't ever go back to being without water, power, safety, medical care and economic certainty. Nor do I want legal racism and discrimination to block my career progression again. I just can't imagine standing in bank queues and home affairs and all that ever again, or walking down the street afraid of every young youth passing by, or being afraid of a hijacking, or getting agry at people who shout instead of speak and who invade personal space, or another armed home invasion and cops who don't show up till the next day only because a case was made at the police station. Financially I'm in the same position as in South Africa but that is because I started from the ground up here, my future earnings will more than cover the lost earnings and the initial investment to come here. It doesn't help to build a castle on sand in South Africa. It is nice so speak Afrikaans, but that is about it. The grass is indeed greener in the pacific region. Escape South Africa now and in 20 years if it indeed becomes a Utopia go back, but don't risk your life and your family's life waiting on better days.

      The Spear - 2011-07-10 09:47

      Just to make it clear, expats in the Middle East like Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman, Saudi etc did not emigrate. They are just South Africans working overseas. It is not possible to become citizens in these countries. All of them have to come back to SA or to move somewhere else eventually.

      Brieuse - 2011-07-10 09:50

      It's lovely here now. Our salaries are much better than in NZ.

      DoublySalmon - 2011-07-10 10:09

      Sure Brieuse.. You take home allot of money after tax and spend it on private security, medical, pension, water & power rates and the private provision thereof, indoor entertainment or private parks instead of public spaces, life insurance, car insurance, house insurance. Then there is the cost to your career progression, the cost of your kid's future. If you feel you can sacrifice the life of your loved ones for a bigger pay cheque so you can be "groot meneer" without considering their future and probably their future survival then you're not much of a parent or husband.

      USSA - 2011-07-10 10:40

      I was out of South Africa for 8 years. I am disgusted with myself for returning, so I am planning my exit, and this time I will only return to visit and for funerals within my immediate family.

      johncarlos.biza - 2011-07-10 11:20

      Good luck to all the expats. I respect their reasons for leaving, and I hope they respect our reasons for staying. We can't all just up and leave, and some locals still live in safe, well-run towns.

      Azizi - 2011-07-10 11:39

      Stay where you are it is easier to get a job without an education.

      marco - 2011-07-10 11:51

      Nowhere in this world is exactly perfect to live in you fools get that.So suck it up and get use to it.Each and every country,city or whatever hellhole you feel like calling it has its own difficulties that's peculiar to its international setting.Sure living conditions and standards differ from one country to other and most hardened skeptic in life will tell you that is the case.From industrialized countries of the West to the underdeveloped countries in Asia and Africa,you'll still find a generation of drug addicts,people with nasty aversions to do honest hard work and earn your keep,rudderless defiance of and revolt against established social,moral,behavioral and political norms of society.We all are anxious and disgruntled day in and day out going forth into a hostile world where by seemingly political stability in your country of residence at one point can get obliterated by strife and political opportunism the next that changes everything overnight.More stable in government,more developed,more freedom,more civilized,more income and better living standards?Yeah right leave reality to others.In all honesty there is no place on earth that is so good to live in so that you don't have to make the best use at what you got.Low self esteem of some people on this forum towards South Africa is utterly ridiculous.

      Oopkopdenker - 2011-07-10 11:55

      I don't know whether you will think any different once the earthquakes begin to seriously hammer that island. I respect people's choice to move, but I'm perplexed by the level of research that support their destination choice. NZ is unfortunately a time bomb of earthquakes...so why the heck move there?!

      Oopkopdenker - 2011-07-10 12:03

      TheJudge. The problem is that people don't understand economics and definitely not South Africa's position within the global world. There can be no comparison between SA and Zim on most fronts - especially in terms of economic capaibility. The drivers are in other words vastly different. Political figures like Malema has little influence when it really matters: it is then that those with the true power (unfortunately money) controls the true future. In this sense the number of black elite (along with their white counterparts and especially a depth in international investors) safeguards the country from collapse, except if we decide to do a Greece on ourselves. Sure, South Africa has some major problems (largely because we have roughly 35% more people in this country that we should have...they drain the ability to allocate resources more effectively, while we also have major ideological challenges of course too, along with utter incompetence in some influence yielding position), but despite these problems we can still visually see SA develop (even though we're slipping on the HDI front).

      john - 2011-07-10 12:08

      One must also factor in that many who left did so in the mid to late 1990s. They think they will be returning to the country as it was when they left. They're in for a rude surprise. For starters, many who left did so when SA had the cheapest electricity in the world and when there were no or very few toll roads... While there is nowhere that is idyllic, one must also be realistic about the future. If you want a prosperous future, pick a country where the majority believe that govt is too big, needs to be downsized and needs to do less. If you want central planning and guaranteed poverty, choose a country where everybody believes that the government should be bigger, should do more and is responsible for their individual success in life. Now ask yourself: into which category does SA fall? South Africans, black and white, are dyed in the wool Socialists. We depend on the State for everything and believe that we cannot achieve success unless the government does it for us. That is guaranteed disaster. Governments do not make the people rich. Private enterprise does. Government's job is to stay out of the way and not hinder that process. Because governments don't multiply wealth, they divide it. They never give back more than they take. We need 1000 Mark Shuttleworths but the masses want 1000 Julius Malemas or, on the other side of the fence, 1000 Helen Zilles. That is never going to create wealth. Until SA undergoes a major mindset shift, our prospects are bleak.

      Jarhead - 2011-07-10 12:12

      @Marco- It seems you are doing a very good job in convincing yourself to stay! I have live in other countries before and know all about their struggles and difficulties but let me tell know that it is not even close to what is going on here in SA!! I`m on my way again, and after I`m gone this time I will only come back for holidays to see family and friends. I had to make a very hard decision to leave again, you always miss your family/friends and weather etc. but in the end of the day believe me that you are better off abroad! I`m on my way to OZ know and I know that I won`t encounter the crime over there as here, I will be able to walk in the streets (day or night) my kids will have proper education without me having to break the bank, that also goes for medicals, BEEE will be a thing of the past and wont hamper my career anymore!!

      Spyker May - 2011-07-10 12:23

      It is worth making an auxiliary observation: Perhaps a year ago, certainly up to two years ago, one would glance over the comments and think by yourself – LAMBS TO THE SLAUGHTER... Most decent, law-abiding, hardworking, dedicated SAcans, were patently naive to what is happening to SA, after (and naturally due to) Polokwane ’07. But, no more... “Homecoming Revolution”, “SA The Good News”, etc – these are all “birds of a feather”, run by self-preserving charlatans of the most fantastic kind; eg by hypocrites like Steuart Pennington. If they are not making something out of nothing, they are the vultures on the fences, waiting to scavenge off the spoils of the savagery they triggered.

      debrakayestylist - 2011-07-10 12:26

      2 years lets see how you feel after 20 lol, glad ur happy tho

      Fred - 2011-07-10 12:43

      "Agfa. Fully agree with you. My daughter has lived in Aus for four years, and won't even come bach here on holiday. She's rather prepared to pay our fare over there for a holiday. My other daughter lives ain Holland, and although they come back for 2/3 weeks a year on holiday, that's only because we are trapped here. Be honest, does anyone in their right mind who is established overseas want to come back to the uncertainty and racism of an ANC-led country? The only certainty that I see is that we are sliding fast into a Zimbabwe-type situation, which will accelerate even faster if idiots like Malema ever get a sniff of power. So sorry for SA, but as soon as my parent visa comes through, I'm gone as well.

      Spyker May - 2011-07-10 12:50

      @Azizi, An ILLITERATE GRADUATE is NOT someone with an education... If you are not sure what it is, ask the Law Society of SA, they have substantive evidence of what an ILLITERATE GRADUATE is. An EDUCATED FOOL still remains just a FOOL, iow an ILLITERATE GRADUATE remains just that – ILLITERATE, ie WITHOUT AN EDUCATION. A mounted piece of paper is just that – viz a piece of paper. I would invite you to my world, for a brief insight into SA 2011 – this is where individuals present a CV of epic proportions (all legitimate and verified naturally), until you interview them, ask a few basic questions that I would have covered back in ...-101 (or even at school) and you will be left stumped... So my friend, you are wrong, in every way conceivable.., SA must the easiest place on the planet to get a job without an education. In fact you can embark on a meteoric rise, without even having to pass Woodwork... Or perhaps you would rather choose a career as the nephew of the President of the country – this only requires a Std 3 certificate btw – where you can become a very young multi-millionaire businessman, in less than 3 years, only with a suspect “background in IT” – refer to his interview with John Robbie (702).

      lean - 2011-07-10 13:01

      Oopkopdenker@ Earthquakes in New Zealand from 13 Feb 1931 to 07 Jul 2011, only 181 person died (February 2011 Christchurch earthquake)... South Africa have 50-60 murders a day... Ha Ha Ha Ha

      Denise - 2011-07-10 13:32

      Mind you, how many Africans in Africa can claim they live on Cloud Nine? Africa is a bloody mess, and no civilized human being can live there anymore! How much bla bla (blame it on slavery, colonialism and apartheid) is still pending before people finally realize that sucking on the worn-out tit of western penance will not guarantee Africa's survival anymore “as has been the case since the post-colonial 70s! And using (abusing) Mandela's unique legacy as a moral soap to cleanse their hands of all stains of corruption, rape, murder and mayhem will never suffice as an acceptable excuse for the 200000 South Africans who have been slaughtered since the champions of 21-century morality came into power in 1994.

      Dominic - 2011-07-10 13:49

      Wow! Can hardly believe all the advice from resident South Africans. A year or two ago most comments were patriotic. I've been away for about eight years; travelling and working through Europe and Asia. Wasn't so bad when I left but I did get hooked on wandering around without fear and exploring different cultures (many thousands of years old) and ways of life. I did have a lot of hope for SA. Has it really changed so much while I've been away?

      realist03 - 2011-07-10 15:17

      I have travelled abroad and lived abroad,,,the quality of life and standard of living we have in SA is waaaaay beyond that of most civilised countries,the problem with SAicans is they like to complain too much,you might beleive the grass yur eating is greener overseas an dkeep telling yourself that,Africa is in your blood and you will live the rest of your lives in denial overseas,knowing you left your heart behind in Africa.the minute you put your foot on the plane to immigrat eoverseas you loose your right to comment on here,if you wernt in denial of where yo uleft your heart then why comment on here? you looking for somemthing you left behind HA

      FreeMan2 - 2011-07-10 16:08

      I agree Agfa, we can afford to come back but do not see the point. In fact on middle income salary we are able to save more than we did in SA. Why would i want to leave a beautiful place like Vancouver to be stuck in South Africa again.

      Dominic - 2011-07-10 16:56

      Apologies if I encouraged @realist03.

      SiphovdMerwe - 2011-07-10 22:41

      @DoublySalmon, quite selfish of your kind ain't it? Mess everything up in SA...run away to a far-away land...wait for your problems to fix themselves down in SA...then come back you selfish hypocrite. You suck the life out of everything wherever you go. It's not a black or white thing, but your departure is the best thing to happen to since the end of abolition of aparth..d. Once you leave please stay left.

      Jarhead - 2011-07-10 23:50

      @Boer Malema- Did I say anything related to the previously disadvantage? We are talking about the here and now!! Was I to blame for something my elders did and I did not even understand as a todler so many years ago?? It`s been 16 years so get over it!! It`s very easy to blame Apartheid, but most of the people who suffers under the "new apartheid" (BEEE) were not even involved with what went on all those years ago!! Why do I have to then suffer? Is this not supposed to be a "rainbow nation" of equal oppertunities??

      mark - 2011-07-11 06:29

      Strange, just a few days ago N 24 had an article about how busy all the visa agents are trying to keep up with the demand of people wanting to leave!!

      marco - 2011-07-11 06:55

      @Mark And your point exactly is what mate?NEWS24,for your information,is a news broadcaster website which means they will comment on every ****ing story there is to broadcast about regardless,you get that you wan***.Stop looking for any old excuse to squirt rectal abuse at South Africa.I live in Europe for 30 years now and my goodness do some of you folks on this page have it in for South Africa and it's people.

      mark - 2011-07-11 07:51

      @marco: purely an observation mate!!

      Ayoba - 2011-07-11 08:53

      @Agfa, Good. At least somebody this side will keep the job you would have taken. Please don't come back. I also won't mind if you don't comment on this issue.

      Carbon - 2011-07-11 09:19

      We pay taxes for services we do not receive. Most middle class citizens spend their hard earned money on medical aid, private school fees, insurance, security etc. This is all the thins government is suppose to provide to their people for the tax monies. We o not receive these services, so why pay taxes to a government that cannot provide services to those who pay for it? I am looking at emigration and I am sure I will miss the country and all of its people, but as soon as I become home sick, I will log onto any news website and remind myself why I wanted to leave.

      Expat - 2011-07-11 11:18

      What utter rubbish this article. Homecoming Revolution propaganda is run by a few individuals that are too frikin scared to jump the sinking ship themselves and hope against hope that if they 'lure' people back they won't be the only ones left behind in the failed SA hell hole

      Virginia - 2011-07-11 15:02

      So true Agfa, you are living in a good country, maybe not easy, but at least you have intellegent people running your country. Here we still have a good quality of life but the crime is overwhelming and the politics which we are really not used to is very scarry. Enjoy I will be visiting again in February 2012 God willing.

      john - 2011-07-11 16:53

      @Dominic: the thing is that you can't just take a snapshot of this moment in time and use that to judge. It's not whether things have changed/got worse since you left, it's also how trends will continue into the future. In Zimbabwe in 1990, ten years after Mugabe came to power, things looked rosy. The Zim dollar was stronger than the Rand, life was good. But it didn't stay that way. Don't look at what SA was like when you left or what it's like now. Look at the difference between the two and then project that same rate of change twenty years into the future. Because trends have a way of continuing. Look at all the important indicators: unemployment, corruption, crime, skills shortages, capital flight, cost of living, etc. They're all heading in one direction - and it isn't the right direction. The Western world has its highs and lows. But, however bad the low (like the Great Depression in the US or post-WW2 in Germany/Britain/France) they always bounce back. So the general trend is upward. Africa has its highs and lows too. But, over time, the general trend is always downward. It took Germany 15-20 years to recover completely from the devastation of WW2. If an African country was destroyed to that extent, it would never recover. You can't bet your future happiness and security on such a dismal and unprogressive mindset. Go with a culture that has a track record of overcoming adversity, not one with a track record of constantly succumbing to it.

      Dominic - 2011-07-11 18:05

      @John you make a good argument but I think it's comparing apples with pears to compare Germany's recovery with the stagnation of Africa. Germany was a superpower at the time of the 2nd World War. It was technically more advanced than any other country. The people were highly skilled and well educated. (It didn't stop them from making a bad political choice but that's beside the point) The martial plan was an enormous kick-start for their recovery. They had the skills and attitude (pride) needed to take full advantage of it. South Africa has two sides to it - those who (unfairly perhaps) have the technical skills and - those whose culture does not include an industrial background but does have a strong sense of community. The combination had a chance of success. At the time I left my hope was that a unity between the two could produce a different result from what had happened in the rest of Africa, hence the dream of the "rainbow nation". My (old) generation carried to much baggage to make it a reality but I hoped a new non-racial generation of young South Africans, all going to the same schools and living as equals, would eventually get us there. Unfortunately at the moment and from a distance it seems that we're more polarised than we were before the release of Mandela and the elections of 1994, and the young South Africans are carrying more baggage than the older ones.

      john - 2011-07-11 20:46

      Yes, of course Germany were more advanced. That's my whole point. The beauty of an advanced nation is that they succeed DESPITE the government, not BECAUSE of it. The problem with the whole "Rainbow Nation" is that, regardless of racial harmony/disharmony or any other factors, 90% of South Africans (and I'm including a great number of whites here) are Socialists, as I mentioned above. What was apartheid South Africa if not a Socialist state for Afrikaners? Most of them depended on the state for everything from moral guidance to early warnings about imminent swart gevaar invasions to jobs to subsidies. Many Afrikaners left school and went off to work for the Post Office or the Railways or the cops or the PF and that was their life. They didn't know anything else. If the govt wasn't there to wipe their bums, they were helpless. And now blacks are in exactly the same position. If the govt doesn't give them a job and a house and free electricity and water and healthcare and education, they're screwed. No black groups are working on their own solutions to their problems. All are looking at govt and screaming "YOU have to help us!" How can any nation with such lack of enterprise and such complete dependence on the State ever end up as anything BUT a Socialist disaster? Saffies need to learn that you make your own success and happiness in life. If you wait for the govt to do it for you, you'll always be poor and miserable.

      john - 2011-07-11 21:07

      Let me give a small example to illustrate what I'm talking about. I'm sure that you, while you were living here, experienced this many times: there is a ring or knock at the gate/front door and you open it to find someone standing there with a long face and saying "I'm asking the joop". And? What can you do? What distinguishes you from the hundred other people that have asked me this month already? Why should I hire you? My gardener is a Zimbo. He got the job by knocking and then telling me "I see your gutters are in bad shape. I will clean them out and repaint them for you. That will save you expensive repairs later. And I do garden work too..." I hired him on the spot. Because here, like a breath of fresh air, is someone who takes five seconds to market himself instead of standing there looking miserable and counting on pity. And that, tragically, is the African way. I don't have to do anything, the govt (or somebody else) must GIVE me. Because I'm poor and oppressed. Africans always have grand plans about how others must give. Britain must give because it colonised Africa, the UN must give because we're starving, China must give because they want to do business here, whites must give because they were advantaged under apartheid. There is no give. It's a ruthless free market out there. If you don't create your own wealth and happiness, nobody is going to give it to you.

      nn.prv - 2011-07-12 07:52

      Who cares .Good riddance !

      montecristo - 2011-07-12 08:43

      "But getting a job in some sectors in South Africa was still difficult and this kept some from returning." - what a load of BS! It's impossible to get a job in SA, fullstop!

      Nicola - 2011-07-12 10:12

      DoublySalmon - yet you still read News24?

      Nicola - 2011-07-12 10:13

      Then why read south african newspapers.?

      Neles - 2011-07-12 12:49

      It's strange how a certain type can only make it in countries where the indigenous people have all but been exterminated.

      Paco7 - 2011-07-12 15:02

      that is good,cos we don't want u traitors back and when you are coming to take the last of your furniture please take more whiteys with u

      Ldn_saffa - 2011-07-12 18:16

      The African continent is no place for white people!! Why stay where you are not respected or wanted??

      Boer - 2011-07-13 20:46

      I dont believe alot of South-Africans want to go back home. Why risk getting killed or raped or mugged or hijacked? Nee wat julle praat kak.

  • Wormtongue - 2011-07-10 09:07

    Fine, but Duh... Malema

      johncarlos.biza - 2011-07-10 11:31

      The elephant in the room...literally! I doubt anyone who left due to political instability before the Malema era would want to return now!

      Wormtongue - 2011-07-10 21:25

      Interesting thing, up to a year or so ago, expats justifying their reasons for leaving RSA would have been castigated with a resounding thumbs down ratio and labelled as cowards or traitors. Just look how the reaction has shifted to support for emigration in general. A seismic shift has evidently been occuring in the way White people in RSA see their future. For that, and the hemorrhage of skill from RSA, blame the ANC government's failure to reign in the ANCYL. Simple as that

      realist03 - 2011-07-11 08:10

      Worm chop is trying to justify why he put his tail between his legs and left,,,,coward,,,,you gave up your right to comment on here the day you stepped onto that plane pal,,,GET REAL and catch a wake up to yur paranoia

      ohannah - 2011-07-11 08:26

      malema will be assassinated before he becomes too powerful

      nem - 2011-07-11 08:55

      malema 1 wormtongue 0

      Carbon - 2011-07-11 10:42

      Guys, guys, guys, Regardless of Malema's current power in parliament, he assisted in Mbeki being kicked out of office. Do you not think if a person has the ability to do that, that they have significant influence? And as far as Melema being assassinated, did they not also try this with Mogabe? I honestly doe not see any bright future for any white person in this country, rich or poor. Eventually the Afrikaner will die out and all that will be left in SA, is a poor class of Afrikaners that will settle among the increasing majority of poor in this country.

      DirtySamurai - 2011-07-11 15:13

      Realist03 and co, the article is about emigration from SA. I think it is relevant to hear from everyone who has left (and they welcome to comment on other articles too). Something tells me you either reluctantly stuck here or BEE is working for you.

  • GTA_Lad - 2011-07-10 09:09

    Government has missed golden opportunities with many things. There is very little point returning home for most skilled people now, return from stable, safe first world countries where job prospects are relatively good to a banana republic where they will be judged on the colour of their skin and not get a job purely on that? Good luck luring anybody who's settled overseas

      realist03 - 2011-07-10 15:32

      There is too much at stake and too many people in this country for it to go wrong.

      Frungy - 2011-07-11 04:58

      @realist03 - Look north. Politically and economically Zim is in a mess, but Mugabe, his family and his closest cronies are doing amazingly well despite that, and what's worse is that they're getting international support to bypass the Kimberley Protocol and sell a load of blood diamonds. ... no mate, I think you severely misunderstand how the economics of conflict work. The poor and middle class will be ground down into slave labour, soldiers and cannon fodder, while the "elite" will make even more money, at least for a while. They'll rape the country of everything they can grab and then retreat into "exile" in some non-extradition country once it looks like the people are getting organised enough to actually mount a rebellion... then it'll take another 30 to 50 years for people to stop rebelling (it becomes a bit of a bad habit) and reinstate democracy (which sucks as a system... but not as badly as all the other systems).

      realist03 - 2011-07-11 08:12

      interesting anaology there frungy,,its easy to compare a failed state,but SA is way too big and there are too many foreign interests here for it to become a failed state.

      Carbon - 2011-07-11 10:45

      Was Zim not also an strong county, with international investors and Tourist designation?

      Wormtongue - 2011-07-11 21:33

      "Realist", for a reality check on your perception of reality - check the thumb signs to your comments... Bwahahahahahahahaha

      realist03 - 2011-07-12 14:43

      look at yours worm chop HA

  • TopEditor Internatio - 2011-07-10 09:09

    Yeah, ri-i-ight. Never let the facts spoil a good bit of spin. On the contrary, statistics from numerous sources show more young people leaving SA than returning. This is a misleading line we've heard from HR time and again. SA expats are now helping build 3-generational communities everywhere, entering politics, sport, NGOs, universities and research in leading roles worldwide. The trickle that do return are usually those that can't cut it in the real world outside SA.

      whereu - 2011-07-10 09:38

      TopEditor Internatio You state that "The trickle that do return are usually those that can't cut it in the real world outside SA." I feel that this is a generalisation and over simplification. In many ways it's more difficult to “cut it” in SA than elsewhere. South Africans mostly have a good reputation for hard work and dedication, especially in more socialist countries where the is IMO too much of “the world owes me a living” attitude. My opinion only, and I'm probably guilty of generalising myself.

      dave_23 - 2011-07-10 09:49

      That's the thing about stats. Homecoming Revolution could have one person contact them last year about coming back, and if two people contact them the next year, they could issue a press release announcing that the number of people expressing interest has "surged 200%".

      USSA - 2011-07-10 09:59

      @ Dave23 That is the correct measure these people use and con other with. I agree with your assessment. No figures in South African stats are correct. the only close ones is the crime stats which doesn't decrease no matter what they say.

      realist03 - 2011-07-10 15:43

      Ok heres a stat,six of us left SA in 1997 and to date 5 out 6 of us have moved back home.after each of us spent at least 10 years abroad. ,,,ignoranuses

      Rob Rabbit - 2011-07-10 17:43

      Rubbish

      nem - 2011-07-11 08:52

      I know of at least 4 families in my town that have moved back.

      Michael - 2011-07-11 09:46

      Those who have stayed behind here in SA are coping just fine without all you whinging douchebags. Hope you bought a one way ticket boet

      Larro - 2011-07-12 00:34

      This article makes me smile. In reality the SA guvvamund has NO idea how many people have actually left SA! I would hazard the the vast majority quietly moved their money offshore then went on 'holiday', never to return. I have been on a 13 year 'holiday' now, and will never set foot in SA again.

  • Jack - 2011-07-10 09:10

    for every one that wants to come back there are 1000 who want to leave. reasons, crime, political uncertainty!

      TGIL - 2011-07-10 11:27

      thats a really good point, and probably the biggest indicator of the situation

      realist03 - 2011-07-10 15:45

      yes the whiners and have nots are welcome to leave,,,,please do us all a favour

      Azizi - 2011-07-10 15:51

      join the 1000 surely you have had family subjected to the black backlash.

  • Pie Lemon - 2011-07-10 09:12

    I was one of those who helped the increase in stats numbers of people wanting to come home. But after doing some homnework, only an idiot would return back to that hellhole. It is all temporary anyway - that feeling of those expats wanting to return will go away after a while. Homesickness is not a disease or an illness, it is a set of mind. You can change/fix that overnight with good muti called common sense. Bob Mugabe once said 'africa is for the africans' and that is exactly how africa should be treated. This includes South Africa, no matter how different and special people feel SA is compared to the rest of Africa.

      mlh@24.com - 2011-07-10 10:49

      I agree Pie Lemon. I actually have always said, its NOT about racism-its about culture and tradition. Its about Africa belonging to Africans and so be it for this beautiful continent and its people. I dont think the white man should ever have gone exploring distant shores. Lets be honest, how steeped in culture and tradition is the white South African? Yet the Zulus, Xhosas etc have a wonderful history of tradition and culture that is not found anywhere else in the world. I respect that but its not mine. Ours lie in Europe. For me, its as simple as that. Right or wrong. Its just somewhat sad that despots like Malema are succeeding in making us feel more unwelcome than ever...but, then again, with the horrific xenophobia happening of late, it's not surprising.

      ex-pat - 2011-07-10 11:24

      I'm quite surprised, mlh@24.com, that you haven't been flamed by those whites who shout, "I'm an African!" I totally agree with everything you say; I never felt at home in SA, but thought I was stuck there for life. I will never forget discovering I was entitled to an EU passport - it was all systems go until I finally got away. People couldn't believe that I was going just because I felt I didn't belong there; they assumed I "hated" SA. I didn't; I just prefer Europe and its culture. I am now finally where I belong.

      mlh@24.com - 2011-07-10 13:09

      @ex-pat...to be honest, so am I! I fully expect it though! Neither here nor there for me because I am simply stating what I have ALWAYS felt. How wonderful for you that you could get an EU passport-I can just imagine your delight! Wish you well for the future! :-)

      nem - 2011-07-11 08:50

      SA belongs to all those who live in it,now all of you that have left SA,its doesnt belong to you anymore,why comment on here,you gave up that right the minute you left.

      mlh@24.com - 2011-07-11 09:57

      @nem....I'm leaving [if you look further down you will see WHY! [because my husband CANNOT find a job here]! When he DID find a job the company's Union put a stop to it....WHY?..... because he is white!! After 2 years of NO INCOME! he has been offered a good job abroad-answer to prayer. What I want to say is this: I WILL ALWAYS BE A SOUTH AFRICAN AND WILL SPEAK WELL OF SA [with all its unique complexities]! I THUS HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO COMMENT ON HERE AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO.

      nem - 2011-07-11 12:01

      Good luck and bon voyage

      Candice Crouch - 2011-07-11 12:29

      If you are born in Africa you are an "african" by birth. I was born in South Africa and hence I am an african-proudly so! Therefore we should interpret Bob's statement as including all of us (whites and blacks) born in Africa (even if he does not mean it that way).

      ex-pat - 2011-07-11 14:17

      Hi, mlh@24.com! Hope you're still checking this - I didn't log on yesterday - we went walking in a National Trust conservation area, in the hills above the city. A few cows are allowed to graze there to keep vegetation under control - we were most amused at one that had wandered onto the tarred path, and was marching along grumbling very loudly until it found a way back onto the grass... ;-) We live on the edge of a small town about 20 minutes' drive from the city, and look out over fields (one right beside our house), and often see cows and sheep put out to graze a few hundred yards away. Rural bliss - I wouldn't change it for the world! We left six years ago, and have never regretted it for an instant. Good luck in your new home! In answer to nem - we expats have family and friends still in SA, and the reason we read sites like this is because we are so concerned for their future.

      mlh@24.com - 2011-07-11 15:21

      @ex-pat....sounds like rural bliss for sure! I am looking SO forward to this move! Having sleepless nights...for good reasons though! ie. major excitement abounds in the household! Thanks so much for your good wishes! :-)

      henrileriche - 2011-07-12 09:58

      sorry mlh. I am proudly Afrikaner Boer. We have a rich culture and tradition. As my family is also English speaking, maybe like you, I can agree. There is no culture, tradition like Zulu or Afrikaners.

      mlh@24.com - 2011-07-12 12:25

      @Henrileriche.....its wonderful that you feel you have a "rich culture and tradition" and rightfully so! I simply never have felt that...our roots do come from Europe whether we like it or not....I am an English [en Afrikaans!] speaking South African and PROUDLY SA! [yes, I know it sounds contradictory but that is why I say SA is so unique and complex]! :-)

  • Charmaine Paterson - 2011-07-10 09:14

    Why? They are obviously people who run away whenever things get tough. Do we want them back?

      Mandla - 2011-07-10 09:19

      Charmaine, many people that i know who have left have left becos of family members being murdered or robberies where their little kids have had to witness their mom being raped and a gun to their dads head. would you not say that is TOUGH?????????

      resiststance - 2011-07-10 09:28

      I would rather have them then stupid people like you.

      horsehair - 2011-07-10 09:36

      Charmaine, you're an idiot.

      George - 2011-07-10 09:36

      Charmaine, ignorance like yours is a really good reason not to return

      mathilda_w - 2011-07-10 09:41

      @Charmaine Paterson: I can only assume your ancestors were amongst the original San population that populated the area way before any settlers came to the Southern tip of Africa, from Europe. If not, I have a secret to tell you: someone in YOUR family ran away when things got tough elsewhere. So....which one of your great grandfathers or grandmothers etc were the sisies? The weghollers? Talk is so cheap, silly girl.

      GTA_Lad - 2011-07-10 09:43

      Couldn't get a visa charmaine??

      anthony vale - 2011-07-10 09:43

      Charmaine , you are a D@@s. why do u think yout ancestors left their country, oppression, political or religious. whites are bieng oppressed and its time to jump ship. Africa for the efricans. no other way. Its been the recipe for the great african success we see today in the shining lights of ZIM and the drc. Get a F3cking life babe.

      Brieuse - 2011-07-10 09:48

      More jobs for the rest of us that remain. I have the burgundy passport but the weather sux up there.

      The Spear - 2011-07-10 09:48

      Idiot

      Krugga - 2011-07-10 09:51

      Charmaine, very uninformed comment!

      dave_23 - 2011-07-10 09:53

      Gee I don't know Charmaine, do we want millions more jobs and a strong vibrant economy - what an insightful question you raise there - I'm scratching my head at what the answer could possibly be. Of course we want them back but I don't fault anyone who merely wants a safe environment for their children, in fact keeping your children safe is not only the right thing to do, you're practically obligated to do so.

      Jackool - 2011-07-10 10:02

      LOL Charmaine..you crack me up. You are one of those people crying on the rooftop after ignoring the flood warnings, because you think you are tough. Stupidity and Patriotism can be a dangerous combo girl.

      hawk - 2011-07-10 10:12

      Dear Little Charmaine. We never ran away. We did a lot of research and then made an intelligent informed decision that it was better to live somewhere else. You see we were able to do this because we can. We are highly qualified and had enough money to start over. You obviously didn't have that choice because you were too lazy to get the necessary qualifications. You can keep your paradise or should I say Jail cell with your dogs, your security guards your guns and your barbed wire. I have no desire to return and live in fear again. I have freedom of movement and my kids futures are assured. I also doubt whether you would be able to emmigrate you see we don't have maids or gardeners over here. We do everything ourselves. By the way the country does not belong to you it is not your decision. Now get back in your house and be sure to lock the doors, the security doors and oh dont forget your gun. It goes under the pillow

      paypalawsuit - 2011-07-10 10:25

      are you sure, if you have a great job opportunity to move to another country that are safer would you still say this? i don't think so

      tracer - 2011-07-10 10:25

      what an idiotic thing to say. things didn't suddenly get tough. we've been raped by a criminal inept government for 17 years now. the only intelligent government employees spend their days thinking up clever ways to rape us for more. and all this thanks to the ignorant masses, which includes YOU,

      mlh@24.com - 2011-07-10 10:33

      Charmaine, people DONT "run away" because the going gets tough! They LEAVE because of GENUINE fear for the future of their FAMILIES!! Is that so terrible?????!!!! Why can't South Africans accept that emigrating is a VERY personal HARD decision to make?! Its got NOTHING to do with anyone else! Like I've said before to the "Expat Bashers" out there - I think there's some jealousy out there or, otherwise, just plain NASTINESS!

      Donovan Jackson - 2011-07-10 11:02

      Oh yes because emigrating is so easy, isn't it Charmaine.

      psebe - 2011-07-10 11:17

      i concur you CHARMAIN many of them what they know is to keep they double passport ready to run all over the world.what are they doing to solve the problems that we are facing other than complaining endlessly.

      Carl Muller - 2011-07-10 11:21

      Agree with you...

      johncarlos.biza - 2011-07-10 11:26

      A little shallow there, Charmaine. Most people leave for good reasons

      TGIL - 2011-07-10 11:35

      hahaha you weak minded scared little poor piece of trash. Another angry person wishing she could leave, we pitynyou, really

      Idomeneo - 2011-07-10 11:37

      I left SA earlier this year. After 30 years as a registered nurse I could no longer get a job because I'm white. I tok my pension payout and started a business and had to employ people with absolutely no work ethic that stole from me on a regular basis. My house was broken into five times in one year in spite of the layers of security I kept adding. The Government also kept finding ways to rob me of my earnings. Now I live in Scotland. The weather may not be great, but I can sleep safely. In fact, I rarely even lock my doors. I've started a new business and employ people who turn up on time and do the required work without stealing and without needing constant supervision and instruction. I will never go back to SA.

      Obi-Wan - 2011-07-10 13:41

      Gonna get a lot 'tougher' toots. Just ask the remaining white zimbabweans. They'll tell you all about it. Good luck anyway!

      Ross - 2011-07-10 14:22

      gonna have to agree with Charmaine.

      Dominic - 2011-07-10 16:39

      Can't resist putting in this little quote: What is the difference between an emigrant and a refugee? Timing.

      Wormtongue - 2011-07-10 19:19

      "realist"... WTF - you misnamed yourself... People leaving RSA would best be considered as "realists", because they use their head over their hearts. The people choosing to stay would best be characterized as idealists - they use their heart over their heads. I am not criticising either approach, but try another name old "realist03"...

      Wormtongue - 2011-07-10 19:22

      Charmaine sweetie, whether or not you "want" expats to come back would be absolutely irrelevant when they consider that difficult choice. Self-important twat...

      Cherry Robinson - 2011-07-10 20:28

      Its not up to you to decide if YOU want them back. This country belongs to all South Africans whether they left for a better life of not. Who is the we in "Do we want them back".

      realist03 - 2011-07-11 08:18

      Ok worm chop before you crawl back into your hole down under,a relaist faces what is real and what isnt,,,a idealist wants what is ideal in his own mind and beleives in his own perception of a perfect life without consulting his heart,the heart is stronger than the mind, Now you can stay downunder there and no need to hurl abuse at charmaine,,leave SA for the true SAicans and go on to live your ideal life and lie.

      Mandla - 2011-07-11 09:04

      Well that shut Charmaine up...

      Wormtongue - 2011-07-12 00:47

      Unrealist, that first paragraph of yours makes as much sense as your smiling face avatar when contemplating the seriousness of the situation in RSA at present. Have you been inhaling something?

      nn.prv - 2011-07-12 07:57

      @ Charmaine : This is No Place For SIssies..Thats Africa ! You are 100%

  • mike881 - 2011-07-10 09:15

    What a load of crock. Over 80% of my friends and neighbours now live overseas and not a single one has expressed any interest in comming back as long as the current government is in power. As long as the flagrant disregard for law and order as well as proper governance is not adhered to by the current regime there is no chance that they will return to "what was and is a beautiful SA that is rapidly going the same way as Zimbabwe"!

      radar - 2011-07-10 10:42

      @MIKE - I travel all over the world and the constant reference frm South Africans is their wish to retrn home. Obviously their biggest concern is finding a job. As I alluded to before, SA gOV needs to change policy and make jobs available based on skills level rather than ski colour. As long as this remains ANC policy, the country is doomed to failure as it is these same blind appointments who are costing our beloved contries millions in corruptio and lost revenue through their blatant incompetentcies. The nepotism in the police force is a great example of a grossly incompetent government adminsitration. Such a key element of society has become a deep cesspool of negligence !!! The W CAPE offers a great lifestyle, service delivery and a great future for all south africans. This will ultimately become the admistrative model for the whole country - how long it takes is the million dollar question!

      ex-pat - 2011-07-10 11:27

      Get real, radar. Yes, the Western Cape is the only province that is run relatively well, but you're no safer there than anywhere else. And it offers a great future for all South Africans? Once again, get real. The ANC will never allow that to happen.

      Obi-Wan - 2011-07-10 13:42

      Same with me. They won't go back for all the tea in china.

      realist03 - 2011-07-10 16:00

      Good comment Radar I agree with you,,let the rest go,,their ignorance is bliss to themselves,

      Wendy - 2011-07-11 08:04

      Exactly. I don't know ONE person that wants to come back

      nem - 2011-07-11 12:02

      I know at least 4 people in my neighbourhood who have returned

  • Mandla - 2011-07-10 09:17

    the only reason i am leaving is becos of people like Malema. Sorry SA but i am out of here

  • radar - 2011-07-10 09:18

    Come home unless you want to live like second class citizens around the globe. There is no place that comes close to the quality of life in SA. Government must clean up crime and corruption and lay the platform for those with skills to be employed regardless of colour ofskin. This country is in desperate need of skills and if every South African were to return this would become the paradise of the world. The ANC has been misguided with some of their policies the past decade, and it is high time the "new thinking" was applied to our economy. The easiest solution to create jobs for the umemployed is to give many of these highly skilled entrepreneurs the opportunity to ply their trade in South Africa - the country will thrive. Reality is that poverty and jobs cannot be overcome hort term - this is a 20 to 30 program aligned with effective government policies and administration. South Africa is poised for great things if the ANC would just create the environment for all to succeed. The past is behind us - to succeed we must look forward.

      George - 2011-07-10 09:38

      Simply not true. Life abroad is as good, if not better at times.

      darkwing - 2011-07-10 09:43

      Hahahahaha! People don't let go of the past, the present is wobbly and the future seems dark. The ANC cannot create anything let alone an environment for creating great things. They have no vision, as they do not lift their noses from the through long enough to see what's happening.

      ktr679 - 2011-07-10 09:44

      Sure - but how do you actually get a job with a white face?

      Robynsky - 2011-07-10 09:48

      Dude my father in law was shot in the head in a robbery 11 yrs ago. there were 3 suspects on video. till 2day we dont know the crime register number, we saw the investigating officer once. The joke is that this was only called a robbery cause when he fell after he was shot they noticed he was carrying a gun, and took it. so now its a robbery.... they literally walked up behind him and shot him in the head. 3 years ago they recovered his stolen fire arm in the northern cape. 3 men were arrested for drunken disorderly and spend the night in jail. The fire arm was claimed to be legal. The police kept it and the next morning they were released on bail. 11 months later people 11 months!, the fire arm was tied to the shooting with one of the suspects finger prints matching those found at the original scene. so they had them but let them go and found out 11 months later they had made a mistake.. thats beyond 3rd world. yet apparently other countries around the world are second class, and all our lost souls are flocking home because SA is wonderful. I agree with you that there are many problems and that there are programs in place that will take time, however to me it appears that the current Govt just stopped the gravy train long enough to toss off the old national party and get themselves comfortable. Malema openly critics his party infront of its leadership and nothing happens, Barbara Hogan tried on a valid point and got into hot water. Malema is part of Zuma’s plans.

      GTA_Lad - 2011-07-10 09:48

      Radar, how long are people going to wait for government to create an environment that's makes expats want to return? Sounds like you may be waiting for your paradise longer than you think. And I don't know where you get that saffa's are 2nd class citizens overseas, any proof? Or is it just your opinion that you consider fact?

      dave_23 - 2011-07-10 09:55

      You are right about several things but you're bound to get thumbed down because of your claim that quality of life is better in SA.

      radar - 2011-07-10 10:21

      @GTA. I have lived and worked abroad for 20 years of my life. Yes you may be able to emulate certain aspects of S African life but at double the cost. No country comes close to offerring the same natural environment and friendly people. Totally agree South Africa has problems and many incompetent government adminsitrative departments - poor leadership and comrade appointments. The ploice force is a disgrace, health is a problem and public education is problematic. All functions of poor leadership and appointments. My point is that the potential exists to turn South Africa around and we need the South African skills which sit abroad. Yes Gov has to change direction and there is a new breed who wish for such. Look at how Helen Zille has succeeded in the W Cape. Her leadeship is not about colour issues. South Africa has been handed a silver platter - joining the BRICS nations and is positioned to take advantage of continued global finacial turmoil - there is much more coming the next 3 years as the huge pile of debt of most western nations will destroy their respective economies and with it their long held advantages. Talk to the bankers, investment funds and top accounting firms and they will tell you that the next TWO DECADES of global growth will come out of AFRICA. S Africa is poised to be a major beneficiary of this growth scenario. Yes agreed, Gov policies have to be aligned to take advantage of this opportunity. Never underestimate the resilience of SA & its people.

      Carl Muller - 2011-07-10 11:23

      Radar, agree with you, at least here we are prepared to face the challenges head on and not cowardly flee away...

      Carl Muller - 2011-07-10 11:24

      ktr678 you create one for yourself...

      GTA_Lad - 2011-07-10 11:29

      @radar, I cant comment on living abroad for 20 years,what I can comment on is living in the UK for the past 5 years, I get fantastic value for money, I dont know how you think things are double the price, Take in to account what you get taxed in SA, the fact that you get jack for your tax money, Electricity prices rising, the general price hikes as a result of electricity hikes and you get a place thats damn expensive to live and you have to shell out a lot more to live comfortably. SA has caught up and possibly overtaken the UK in terms of cost of living, thats just my observation.

      ex-pat - 2011-07-10 11:29

      radar: "There is no place that comes close to the quality of life in SA." You are so right! Nowhere else on earth has a murder rate of 52 (I think that's about right) a DAY. Hang on - that's quality of DEATH.

      AJ - 2011-07-10 14:05

      @Radar - reading these 2 sentences together seems a little surreal dont you think? The second tends to disprove the first.... "There is no place that comes close to the quality of life in SA. Government must clean up crime and corruption and lay the platform for those with skills to be employed regardless of colour of skin."

      Wormtongue - 2011-07-10 19:35

      Carl Muller you are evidently an idiot. Some Dutch people left Holland in 1652 to begin a new life in the Cape. The Huguenots left France behind in 1688 for the the Cape. The Trekkers left the Cape Colony behind around 1836. Would you also frame these people as cowards because they relocated? It takes courage to move and courage to stay doesn't it? People who do not see that are idiots.

      wimpie007 - 2011-07-11 04:44

      I like the optimism...Being abroad is kak, racism is worse in APAC even if you are asian! No bullSh!t, ask a SA white/indian/chinese living in a major APAC city. I love being south african, i hate the sterotype of the country (rape and murder). I would come back anyday if i knew for sure that it wouldnt just be nice for a few months till reality kicks in again after someone steals one of my goats or dogs again.

      Hannes Perth - 2011-07-12 03:13

      You are a second class citizen in your own country if you have not noticed. In fact if malema gets his way you will become the victim of genocide. I am surely not treated as second class in my new country and see no reason to return neither fo any of my friends. We do not even talk about it anymore, South Africa is part of our past, not our future.

      tracer - 2011-07-12 07:14

      if SA so desparately needs skills then please explain why a family friend who got 8 distinctions in matric is unable to get into any medical school in south africa? i won't put my kids through that.

  • mark - 2011-07-10 09:24

    I have been living abroad for 12 years now, in various countries. I have learned that acceptance is a key role to success. The grass may not be greener elsewhere, but it may taste better.

      George - 2011-07-10 19:04

      @Azizi: the others smoke it

  • Jozee - 2011-07-10 09:26

    Ex-pats coming back are those who do not have or are not allowed to stay in the foreign countries anymore. Most of the 'returned' ex-pats are youngsters on working holidays... I'm an ex-pat and don't know if I would like to stay and raise my children in that insecure environment.

  • whereu - 2011-07-10 09:27

    Right now IMO the Malema factor is the biggest deterrent to coming home, especially for those who left prior to 1994. I have posted before that emigration is not easy. There is really no place like home. I guess that emigrants who are happy with their lot after 5 years have made peace with the negative aspects of their new homes and will not hanker to return. I feel that those who regard their new homes as a bed of roses with absolutely no issues face the biggest risk of disappointment when the reality that there is no such thing as a perfect country strikes.

  • hos_ja - 2011-07-10 09:27

    If you aren’t black or female, stay!!!

      johncarlos.biza - 2011-07-10 11:43

      Even if you are, you'll still get shot for a cellphone

      tracer - 2011-07-12 07:16

      huh??? wtf are you trying to say?????

      whereu - 2011-07-12 08:37

      No females should stay? No ways, I'm not staying then!

  • hollochris - 2011-07-10 09:31

    The beauty of statistics....you can decide what you want to prove at the onset....expats WANTING to return....don't think so. I'm trying to get out again...

      mike881 - 2011-07-10 10:16

      With you on this one Hollochris - I'm desperate to get into NZ, Oz or Canada. Unfortunately my age counts against me thus I do not qualify (not enough points).

      richeriley - 2011-07-11 13:59

      @mike881 - have the same problem no employment for 16 months, age is against emigrating

  • Robynsky - 2011-07-10 09:32

    What a poor article? .. I dont want to leave SA, but the place is falling apart, corruption is no longer something done behind closed doors, is an everyday thing. The waters, up the pole, lets not start on crime, there are about 15 new taxes that have been introduced since the dawn of the new SA, the poor people are poorer than ever, yes we have great weather, boerewors and a wonderful country with great tourist attractions, but that does not speak to the very real problems we have, when you try to voice an opinion, you either get shot down, or get told there is no problem here, by Govt or by the Die hard SA clan. so asking people if they would want to return home, yes I am sure most people will say yes, but you should be asking them if they will return the way it is now? or when its been fixed. poor reporting here.

  • CraigColinRoyMcLeod - 2011-07-10 09:36

    THey would love to come back , if they had a job, if the cost was not so high etc, if the country was not collapsing, this head line is so miss leading as usual. And most of these are unskilled people, the same batches that did the head to uk cliche. No one really wants to return, its mearly nostalgia for the place you grew up, its not practical and there is no future.

  • Wayne - 2011-07-10 09:38

    Blog visitors increasing doesn't equal people returning. It's ridiculous to assume that.

      David - 2011-07-10 10:38

      Exactly my point too! The article / stats are misleading.I'm in Aus now and although I miss SA I will only go back to SA for short holidays and to visit old friends and family.

  • Tracey - 2011-07-10 09:41

    And we are one of them.. Been back 7 months and have not regretted our decision at all. Love being home. We were in UK for 6 years. 3 of our friends in the UK are also returning this year... And yes Grass is definetly not greener elsewhere.

      ronheidtmann - 2011-07-10 09:47

      Well lets see how corruption or crime hits you, then we'll see how badly you want to go back, you have made a terrible mistake!

      mikedek - 2011-07-10 09:49

      Thanks Tracey for the honesty.

      Tracey - 2011-07-10 10:06

      we live in the garden route, we have paradise.... And every single country in the world has crime... unfortunately SA's crime has been hung out like dirty laundry... other countries are just good at hiding their problems..... So answer to your question... we will never leave our beautiful country ever again :-)

      Jackool - 2011-07-10 10:15

      Tracey, I live in Denmark in a city with 300 000 people. My wife often walks home ALONE at 3 in the morning from the center of town, covering the 5km distance with her laptop in one hand and her handbag in the other. Denial is not the way to solve the SA crime problems. With that said I understand your sentiments if the UK is the only foreign country you have lived in.

      Carl Muller - 2011-07-10 11:25

      Welcome Tracey, we will build up this country...

      TGIL - 2011-07-10 11:37

      give it another 6 months. just because the UK is so dreadful doesnt mean SA is working.....i guarentee you'll regret it, just give it time.

      Snoek - 2011-07-10 11:58

      Tracey, I've also lived in the UK for 5 years. Lived in SA for the last 4 years now. The first year or so was fun and then realty kicked in. You will soon understand what I’m on about.

      GTA_Lad - 2011-07-10 12:33

      Thanks Tracey, the NHS needs all the help it can get

      Idomeneo - 2011-07-10 15:54

      I remember before I left SA that those I met who had returned from overseas all seemed to have the same main complaint - "you can't afford a maid or a garden boy over there". No wonder, then, that they couldn't cut it in the workplace when they were too lazy to do their own housework. If you're prepared to work, the grass really is greener on the other side.

      Wormtongue - 2011-07-10 19:46

      Tracey you and Carl are narrow minded idiots. How can you extrapolate your anecdotal experience (as in yourself) to be valid for all people. And to propose that the "real" problem with crime in RSA is a matter of we hanging out our dirty laundry is preposterous. Are you suggesting we should start acting like the people in NZ, Oz and Canada who leave their doors unlocked, have no security systems and walk without fear in public parks, day or night? Bwahahahahahahahahahaha

      Guy Fawkes - 2011-07-11 03:49

      I live in Melbourne Australia since 2006, and am now an Australian citizen. The grass is way greener in Australia. The grass in South Africa has turned into "Khaki Bos". If you think the Graden Route is beautiful, try driving up the coast from Melbourne to Sydney. The garden Route pales into insignificance.

  • Amera - 2011-07-10 09:41

    "for every one that wants to come back there are 1000 who want to leave. reasons, crime, political uncertainty!" I agree with Jack, so how do we leave?

      anthony vale - 2011-07-10 09:47

      go through NZ. they are willing to help

      radar - 2011-07-10 10:32

      @Amera - those that want to leave make the assumption that everything is much the same abroad, with the exception of a differemt culture in each country. For those planning to leave, they are in for a shock!! Yes SA has huge problems, but it is a relatively new democracy and the ANC has made many mistakes. The people indicated such in the last elections. If the ANC continues with lack of services and delivery, in time they will no longer rule this country. They realise this and it is time to change direction. The young well eduacted leaders understand this and so hopefully new leadership will eliminate some of the past ills. It will not happen overnight, but do not give up on SA. The grass is definitely not greener on the other side.

      firefighter - 2011-07-10 10:51

      @radar. You clearly could not make it overseas! Did you skulk back and now your envy of those who did and are making it is gnawing at you? Be honest and admit that the Beloved Country has become a shadow of it's potential - a potential that will never be realized with the likes of Zuma and Malema in control

      Frankly_Every1 - 2011-07-10 11:02

      https://www.facebook.com/groups/11809479973?ap=1 Lots of helpful people and information there.

      david - 2011-07-10 11:09

      @radar. the new young blacks are way to racist to ever run this country fairly. and educated you say? have you not noticed how they have dumbed down the education system? you are living in a fairytale dude. just look at the rest of africa, what makes us any better?

      colleen.kaluza - 2011-07-10 15:17

      Amera, go to http://www.sagoingtonz.co.nz/forum/index.php and sign up there. There is a LOT of helpful info and helpful people to get you on the right track, even if NZ is not the country you finally choose. Although I will add that NZ is probably the easiest country to emigrate to at the moment.

      Wormtongue - 2011-07-10 19:51

      Radar - "young well educated leaders understand this"? Try Malema... Bwhahahahahahahahah "The grass is definitely not greener on the other side" - really? - and may I ask who the f@ck gives you the moral authority to make such a grand and sweeping statement? Bwahahahahahahahahahaha

      realist03 - 2011-07-11 08:24

      worm chop,,,what give you the moral authority to sit behind your pc and comment on SA I thought you moved on to yur so called "better life" unless your cowardly comments and perception are compensating for something else waaaahaahahahaha,,,,,move right along now as yo ulive in denial there trying to justify you leaving SA,,,we feel sorry for you,,,so sad.

      nem - 2011-07-11 08:43

      Well said realist03 I dont know why ex south africans come onto these webpages to comment,they are in denial and obviously miss SA alot.

      Wormtongue - 2011-07-12 06:25

      In denial? I guess they choose not to look forward to a Malema presidency... Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha... LOL

      nn.prv - 2011-07-12 08:01

      I love Africa and all those proud Africans ! Uhuru !

      realist03 - 2011-07-12 15:56

      You see worm chop you have to ask yourself one question here before you worm your way out of your hole that you crawled into,,,,,how do I (realist03) have to power to have your pathetic comments erased, that you wrote on here????? when you close your eyes tonight and try to sleep, ask yourself that.

      Wormtongue - 2011-07-13 06:28

      Let me guess... you click "report comment" Bwahahahahahahahaha

      realist03 - 2011-07-13 08:36

      Realist 1 Worm Chop 0 "report comment" I DONT THINK SOOOO,think again if you can Im proudly South African and youre in denial in your hole in the ground downunder a citizen of nothing.good luck worm chop

  • Tracey - 2011-07-10 09:41

    And we are one of them.. Been back 7 months and have not regretted our decision at all. Love being home. We were in UK for 6 years. 3 of our friends in the UK are also returning this year... And yes Grass is definetly not greener elsewhere.

      rita.badenhorst - 2011-07-10 09:56

      what made you decided to come back?

      FartaWorks - 2011-07-10 10:58

      Yeah, I know. Living in the UK really sucks. Overrun with Africans and the local economy is in freefall... No wonder you opted to return to South Africa. If you are white, your kids won't forgive you. As I said: The UK sucks, but post-Apartheid South Africa well and truly sucks big time!

      TGIL - 2011-07-10 13:22

      again, UK being horrible does not equal SA working. Agreed, the UK is hell, SA doesnt have a future for whites though and you'll find that out very soon! The only people who should be returning to SA is the blacks. You Make your bed you lie in it

      Wormtongue - 2011-07-10 20:06

      Tracy you are evidently a self-assured idiot that like to make sweeping statements ("definitely") based on very little evidence - yourself and 3 friends eh? - Wow!! Only tried a spot or 2 in the UK? - Wow!! Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha

  • Eric West - 2011-07-10 09:41

    Homecoming Revolution, my arse! I am yet to meet an expat who wants to return to this shytehole! The HCR are very good at manipulating statistics, though!

      david - 2011-07-10 11:15

      @capey. you are blatanly lying bru. just trying to make sense of your dumb ass decision to come back. it's ok, everyone makes mistakes.

      Obi-Wan - 2011-07-10 13:30

      Rightly so. Who in his right mind will ever want to go back to that dump when you're living in paradise? Unless you're one brain-celled (which is a contradiction because then you won't be here anyway). Hey, Capey: I'm showing everyone over here what a dump it really is. Doing my bit to 'promote' 'SA tourism'.

      Obi-Wan - 2011-07-10 13:46

      Capey: you're an idiot. To be privileged enough to live in the 2nd most livable city on the planet and then to return to that place. Dumb. And now you're even enticing others to run the gauntlet of going back. You have no sense or perspective of history. Ignore history at your own peril but don't ask others to do so as well. That's irresponsible.

      Capey - 2011-07-10 20:42

      Umm, lying about what exactly. And Obi-Wan, good luck with that - in my experience when you go around bad mouthing someone or somewhere, people get suspicious of your motives - and they should be...what is your motive exactly for trashing SA. You are the one coming from a low moral place. Cape Town was voted best city in the world a number of times this year alone - by thousands and thousands of travellers, magazines and the rest. So plainly your idea of a 'dump' is not a popular one. I will just continue loving it here, you sad little person.

      Smaal - 2011-07-11 07:43

      I agree. It’s just rubbish propaganda. I have yet to meet a returning expat. That being said I know a lot of people who are and have plans to leave these shores. Most of them highly qualified in their 30’s and 40’s. Reason most noted: No future for us or our kids here. Who can blame them? Recently there has been a surge in people leaving. I personally think that the people who want to return is more likely new emigrants who struggle to “do things for themselves” or who struggle to adjust. I wouldn’t read too much into these statistics.

  • ronheidtmann - 2011-07-10 09:45

    Why would any whites come back to South Africa? The country is heading downhill and the blacks are constantly saying "africa is for africa, and Europeans must go back to Europe", and the ANC is constantly bringing in new laws to penalise the hardworking whites by taking more of our money!

      Obi-Wan - 2011-07-10 13:50

      Correct. In 1930's Germany, the NSDAP said the very same thing about hat country. We all know what happened of course (especially to those who couldn't or wouldn't leave). But I must admit, I have never heard of those that left Germany and then decided to go back later (say 1939). Nobody was ever that stupid. They all left for greener pastures.

  • dave_23 - 2011-07-10 09:47

    Ha ha, once a year or so we are treated to a Press Release from Homecoming Revolution where they claim there is a "surge" in interest in people wanting to come home. Meanwhile, back in reality-land, virtually nobody who has left wants to come back, emigration stats are as high as ever, anyone with skills leaves, and Malema's latest utterings are chasing away the last few. You think they will come back and buy property and build a future here and create jobs while Malema is telling everyone they're going to take whitey's land? Do you think they have only two brain cells. Government didn't miss a golden opportunity here, skilled people have the sense to not come back and no amount of "luring" is going to change that.

      dave_23 - 2011-07-10 09:58

      The funny thing is more people might take Homecoming Revolution seriously if they didn't go around spouting such obvious bullS!t propaganda, but instead they choose to go around talking absolute nonsense.

      James - 2011-07-12 10:04

      What stats? If the president only passed std 2, then the rest in government can't count either. HA HA!

  • mlh@24.com - 2011-07-10 09:47

    Well, we are on our way to the UK......leaving SA because the UK is where we have been offered a job!! After 2 years of having NO income [untold stress], being told one is "NOT BEE" [in fact, there was a job offer but the Union at the specific company got wind of it and immediately put a stop to it when they heard the position was going to be filled by a white man!?!]. We have young school going children whose future's lie ahead of them. I am so thankful for this answer to prayer. We are going to embrace the changes. Obviously we will miss SA-family and the weather-BUT certainly not the politics. When malema accused YOUNG white children of being racist then one must know.....We will also NOT be going speaking negatively about SA...we will speak of it as a unique, complex, beautiful country. I, and MANY others, WANT to see SA prosper. I have said for a while now that the "writing is on the wall" for this country but I have also said that I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong. For us, as a family, this job in the UK is, on many levels, answer to prayer.

      darkwing - 2011-07-10 10:08

      Good luck to you

      johncarlos.biza - 2011-07-10 11:58

      Wish you well-your reasons are understandable, I hope you enjoy the UK

      mlh@24.com - 2011-07-10 12:59

      Thanks darkwing and johncarlos.biza......nervous but excited!! :-)

      TGIL - 2011-07-10 13:29

      Good luck to you and your family. I have the most valuable piece if advice you'll ever find. You're going to love the UK in the beginning because its new and exciting. Then time will pass and the weather, lifestyle and people wont compare to your memories of SA. This will build and build from 2 years on until you forget all the horrible things about SA and start to convince yourself its all changed and you want to go back. Do NOT fall into this trap. As soon as you are on your feet research getting into Australia or another country you like. You will learn to hate the UK, but never consider SA as an option. just go the states or Denmark or Aus, theyre easy to get into once you're settled in the first world. Good luck

      pd - 2011-07-10 14:03

      Good luck to you. I worked in the UK for 4 years. It was great. But. You are going to miss the outdoors. They have a "pub culture". It is fun in the beginning, but it gets boring after a year. Also. The summers are nice, but the winters. You leave home in the dark every morning, and get home in the dark in the afternoon. Sun set at 16:00. LOL

      mlh@24.com - 2011-07-11 10:09

      Thanks TGIL and pd......@TGIL, I sincerely hope that it will not be the case for me/us....I realise that, inevitably, we will make comparisons to SA but, you know what they say, "comparisons are odious"! But, if it turns out as you say then so many other countries are on one's doorstep! Aus and USA just does not appeal [never has]. Maybe Denmark as you say but, who knows,....As I mentioned, Im truelly going to embrace the changes-weather and all!! @pd....actually have thought about the "pub culture" [which is not my scene at all] but there are many, MANY other things to do as well. Thanks for the good wishes! :-) [going to be so weird having the sun set at 16.00....!]

      ex-pat - 2011-07-11 15:28

      Hey,mlh@24, it's me again. ;-) I find it interesting that so many South Africans assure you that you will come to hate the UK. You'll find things you don't like or understand, but that applies to any country. You be the one to make efforts to make friends; don't wait for them to come to you. Join clubs/groups connected with things that interest you. I think you're a churchgoer? Join one as soon as you can. Don't make the mistake of comparing the weather with SA's; it rains. But the sun shines more than some will admit. The opportunities to enjoy culture are mind-boggling; you'll be spoilt for choice. If you're going to be living in a big city, try to get out into the country as often as possible. The British countryside is awesomely beautiful. Most houses are far smaller that what you're used to. What they call double bedrooms we call single. They have no linen cupboards - you keep that stuff in the airing cupboard, which is small. So: get rid of ANYTHING you can do without. Most kitchens already have stoves (cookers, they call 'em!), fridges, freezers, and washing machines, often driers too. Your furniture could be too large - sell it. IKEA is a great place to buy! Take items of sentimental value, photos, pictures, ornaments. Simple rule: make a list of half of what you think you'll need, then remove half of that. And it's not as expensive here as it used to be, compared to SA. Second-hand cars are cheap.

      mlh@24.com - 2011-07-11 21:58

      Hi ex-pat...thanks for all the info. We used Rightmoveuk to look for a house and have finally found one! As you mention, they are a lot smaller [cosier!] which suits me just fine! As you say, we have been advised to leave electrical appliances and furniture because its so affordable in the UK. Looking forward to what the UK has to offer-we all feel so in sync with this move! I like your simple rule: could make packing SO much easier! :-)

      Larro - 2011-07-12 00:55

      @mlh@24.com Life is what you make it. Embrace the UK for its good points (history, security, effective cops, lack of corruption, wonderful verdant countryside, culture, architecture) and don't let the negatives get you down.

      mlh@24.com - 2011-07-12 11:12

      @Larro....that's exactly what I plan to do! Thankyou - its great getting all the positive feedback! :-)

  • Dprika - 2011-07-10 09:49

    What a lot of rubbish! I know many people who have moved overseas including my children and not ONE OF THEM want to come back. (Back to what?) This is a naturally beautiful country but there it stops!!!!!

  • The Spear - 2011-07-10 09:51

    I left SA mainly for the adventure and always thought I would come back someday. Unfortunately with guys like Malema I am having second thoughts about the future of South Africa, especially the future of my kids.

  • Jackool - 2011-07-10 09:59

    All expats I know would love to return to South Africa immediately....but only if the crime rate dropped to western standards and the political timebomb did not exist. Seems like we will be staying abroad for some time to yet.

      Wormtongue - 2011-07-10 20:33

      Jackool well put. That just about sums it up.

  • Peter - 2011-07-10 10:03

    Dream on people- you live in a fool's paradise as seen every day in newspapers and conversations with friends and family in SA. Survey last week in one of the papers with the question: Are you positive about SA's future?? Results- 8- yes only 8% answered YES, 24% responded to SO-SO( in my eyes a negative response) and 68 % on respondents were negative about future of SA- And that, Brigitte Britten-Kelly and Agriforum, is what is living amongs South Africans- the people on the street. Good to be positive about SA, but realism is still stronger than sentiment.

  • Mike - 2011-07-10 10:12

    People have different reasons for wanting to leave or come back. Blaming it one reason or another is just a way of justifying one' actions. For the one's wanting to leave SA, Let's wish them good luck. And for the ones that want to come back, let's say to them "come and make the best of it". After all, there are many more people staying here than left the country. That should mean something.

      Marcell - 2011-07-10 12:03

      Only because the majority can't leave. It is not easy to leave. More people want to leave but can't.

  • FiveAssedMonkey - 2011-07-10 10:14

    I lived in the UK for a year 2008/2009 and came back during the financial collapse. All I can say is that I'm sure as hell not staying in this place any longer than I absolutely have to. I'm guessing many of the "returning" expats have the same idea.

  • Morph - 2011-07-10 10:16

    We did it. Sometimes one misses SA. But often one is so busy living life that it is a distant memory. There is life after emigration. Check out my blog: www.katerichards.blogspot.com and my mum's blog www.evehemming.blogspot.com and sagoingtonz.co.nz if you want to read about ours, and others journeys.

  • Borderite - 2011-07-10 10:18

    Coming home (from another African country to the Eastern Cape Border)was the biggest mistake of my life. Crime is bad, but not the worst I've encountered. What's worse is that NOTHING works here, there's no business or service ethic, in either the civil service or private sector. Basic business literacy doesn't exist and prices treble if there's any hint the client may be "foreign". The road and transport network systems essential for any economic growth are shot. Telkom simply doesn't provide phonelines for vast chunks of the country, including city suburbs. There's no enabling environment for entrepreneurial growth. Women are treated appallingly at every level. The quality and cost of health care is criminal and the plight of poor could reduce me to tears on a daily basis. There is no opportunity for nation-building or making a difference as a citizen. Attitudes cannot be linked to politics, but prevail across the board. I had been warned about all this, but had to make the move for compassionate reasons. Despite this, I came back to my roots brimming with optimisim, importing a wonderful business with a loyal, 30-year clientbase. I've lost the lot and now can't afford to leave.Stay where you are

      Capey - 2011-07-10 10:54

      I just could not disagree more. Roads - the road infrastructure is being upgraded ALL OVER the country - the N1 upgrades are well advanced. In the last 3 years we have got a brand new port ot Coega, Durban port has been widened to accomodate larger shipping. There is a new airport at Durban, we have the IRT and BRT public transport, the Gautrain - the infrastructure of this country will be the best it has EVER been in another 3 years time, so saying the transport systems are shot is just plain rubbish. And my company is pro-active, successful and growing. We are cutting edge, our product is being taken up fast in the UK. Everything works very well. It sounds like we live in two different countries, hey!

      mike881 - 2011-07-10 11:13

      Capey you obviously live in a fools paradise - Please come to Gauteng, I will then take you on a short tour - then you make up your mind whether things are improving or decaying. Hell yes roads have been upgraded but at what additional cost. The new proposed tolls are going to cost me an extra R1100 per month, so yah, I'm ecstatic. Even happier that the original revenue sources for maintaining and building new roads is being plundered by the elite few.

      Marcell - 2011-07-10 12:05

      Capey troll?

      Capey - 2011-07-10 20:49

      Troll? You idiot - You are lucky this is a virtual forum, or I would hand you such a heavy po*sklap. And mike881 - Its not a fools paradise, its just Cape Town. And I am in Joburg regularly.People like you will never see any progress, you just whinge on about the problems, and never offer any solutions.

  • william.nettmann - 2011-07-10 10:26

    What fascinates me about the comments here is that so many are made by people living overseas. If they have made a decision to move to another country and are 100% happy with that decision, why bother reading South African news websites? Is it possible they are trying to justify their decision? Personally, I love living in SA, can't beat it. I say this probably because I have never lived anywhere else, so I don't know any better.

      Luckybugger - 2011-07-10 11:40

      William you just don't know how accurate you are, I have been gone for 3 years now and really miss SA, I read news 24 every day to justify my leaving, my kids are thriving here in Aus, my main reason for leaving was for the safety and future of my family, this place also has crime but the nature of the crime in SA sticks out head and shoulders above the crime here. It has been a lot harder than I thought, but reading news 24 everyday reasures me That I have done the right thing and will never return to stay.

      Marcell - 2011-07-10 12:10

      I'm as much a South African as what you are. Unfortunately I can not move my whole family out of SA. It was not easy to go but what helps is that I know I'm not contributing to the feeding frenzy.

      Obi-Wan - 2011-07-10 13:32

      Because we can. That's why.

      Borderite - 2011-07-10 19:20

      Nobody said leaving is easy. It's not, and one leaves part of oneself behind. I left in 1978 and came back almost every holiday. We read SA newspapers because we love the land of our birth, it's where our roots are and we care about what happens.I'm now stuck back here. I truly believe SA has the potential to achieve greatness, and the current situation involves a major change of mindset at every level, regardless of politics. I just don't know how many lives it's going to cost (whether through crime, booze, starvation, health system deaths, whatever). What I do know personally, is that it's not going to happen as long as "us and them" attitudes prevail and things won't change in my remaing productive lifetime.

      Shazz24 - 2011-07-12 00:33

      Hey William.nettmann, who died and made you boss of the internet A hole, most of them probably have family and friends and even investments they left behind when they moved, last time I looked people are free to do and look at whatever websites they want to, maybe you should travel abit to broaden your narrow point of view. Get a grip man.

      Larro - 2011-07-12 02:40

      @William, I guess most of us are nostalgic about good ole SA, and are curious to see how things are going (answer - BADLY). I stumbled upon this site by accident, and it's kind of like a driving past a car accident - you don't want to look, but the carnage makes it impossible not to.

  • paypalawsuit - 2011-07-10 10:27

    Homecoming Revolution said blog visitors had increased by 137% from February 2010 to February 2011. Why don't they add in this article the amount of people, where they gone to and reasons for returning. A % means nothing plus they are not saying how many are leaving at the same time.

  • Alan - 2011-07-10 10:28

    I have been in the UK for 11 years and I went back to SA for a holiday last year. I enjoyed the time there but I realised that I would never live there again. I found the prices of goods and services to be equal if not more than the UK but the salaries did not match up. Most people who I spoke to earned far less, sometimes as much as 70% less than I do but they pay the same prices as me. SA is very expensive!!! Although the people are friendly, there is still the underlying feeling that you could get mugged or hijacked at any time which I do not need. The UK is far from perfect but this is home where I feel safe and I would never move back to SA.

      Matt - 2011-07-11 12:35

      I disagree. I found that if you earn R10k in SA = R120k per year, a similar job in the UK would be about £15k = R160k per year, in SA you get to have more disposable income at the end than in the UK, where it'd be a case of whether you eat or travel to work... but agreed, SA is getting expensive!!!

  • shirley.schoeman - 2011-07-10 10:35

    As an expat, I would love to come back to SA permanently but the thought that Julius Malema would one day be president keeps me here, I would hate to invest in the economic and and psychological resources required to return, only to have to leave again.

  • Tank24 - 2011-07-10 10:38

    So based on the number of hits they recieve on a website, they come to the conclusion that people want to return? Just goes to prove, 88.375% of statistics can mean anything you want them to mean. Seriously though, I know quite a few expats that are in the UK long enough to get their British passports and then return to SA once they have them. Nothing wrong in having options is there?

  • Wind - 2011-07-10 10:40

    Brieuse - you're an idiot. You obviously struggled to adapt, could not coupe without your house maid, garden boy etc because you have to pull your finger out of your a__ss and do it yourself. Look north and look at the countries north of SA. They are all dumps with no future, why would SA do any better???? Frankly_Every1 you summed it up correctly.

  • bbop14 - 2011-07-10 10:51

    The increase is probably due to the summer holidays, expats in the Middle-East mostly return home or go on holiday round about this time of the year, not to stay permanently.I return home in 2 weeks time for 2 months and already worried about my saftey. My migration plans certainly have not changed!

  • v3 - 2011-07-10 10:54

    If only the ANC would make SA more skills-friendly, we would be able to deliver to the needy

  • Obama - 2011-07-10 10:57

    Who ever is outside, should stay outside... and those who are planning to leave, must indeed carry out those plans and leave. White folks have no interest in unity. All they want is total ownership of the land and economy and to send us back to the gutters, where they had us for the past century. Our time is this now... If you dont like it, GO!

      Marcell - 2011-07-10 12:16

      Whites like things to be clean and working, work for what you want and to live in peace. The problem is that blacks like the opposite.

      Allieo - 2011-07-10 14:26

      Dude you are in the gutters, its just that you don't see it now....

  • Frankly_Every1 - 2011-07-10 11:00

    At least the grass on the other side is green, not red with blood and corruption and greed and hate from the government towards its countries economy and citizens.

  • bunnychow - 2011-07-10 11:01

    This pure propaganda. Publish the stats, website hits mean nothing!

  • Dorothy - 2011-07-10 11:03

    I have read all the comments about the ex pat comming back. I find these comments made by the cowards stupid. I love my country no matter who is ruling I will never run away like a coward

      Marcell - 2011-07-10 12:17

      Put that on your gravestone oneday.

      Blackboy - 2011-07-10 14:16

      Dorothy, sorry to say but you are to old to run away anyway.

      Shazz24 - 2011-07-12 00:43

      See how big your mouth will be when they shoot someone you love in the the head, talk is cheap "Dorothy" who are the cowards the people who were the victims or the cowards that shoot the innocent, talk is cheap and ignorance is bliss.

  • Leandra - 2011-07-10 11:03

    Been in Dubai for over 3 years now cannot imagine going back to SA, it is great having safety, water, electricity and clean malls I can go on and on and on! No Malema's here either!

  • David - 2011-07-10 11:04

    Stay away don't return "they don't" want as anymore.

  • debrakayestylist - 2011-07-10 11:04

    living in states for 20 years, moving back to SA in October!!! can't wait!!!

      StephanM - 2011-07-10 11:05

      you are in for a huge surprise mate!

      Marcell - 2011-07-10 12:19

      Biggest mistake of your life. If you can change your tickets to a return ticket.

      Allieo - 2011-07-10 14:25

      debrakayestylist, Here (Midwest)for going on 3 years, love the place love the people SA will never see me again!!!!!

      Larro - 2011-07-12 02:46

      Either you are a troll or SEVERELY deluded! Spend the $2K an come over for a look-see - you will RUN back to the USA!

      James - 2011-07-14 12:04

      Please, dont move back, you will just be surrounded by hangers on. I went back several times and everybody think i am Father Christmas, no matter what time of the year it is.

  • Paris - 2011-07-10 11:08

    I just hope we win the olympics bid so that these CHOPS in government can behave for at least the next few years. Born and grew up here,emigrated with parents when i was 11 and when i was old enough i decided to come back. Been here for 3 years and saving every cent i make. Business wise South Africa is a very very good country. I have lived in the middle east and in Europe and its not that easy to make money like you can here if you have your own business. However, now that i am older, i see all the reasons why my family made the move, even though i did not like it, it was the right thing to do. MONEY IS NOT EVERTYHING and i say that because that is the root of everyone coming/going from sa. So the best advice i can give to anyone, if you in South Africa, save as much as you can and set yourself a date and no matter what that date is, its moving day. For expats wanting to come back home, if you left because of crime, dont bother coming back because if not the same, its worse. If the reason was, you could not find a job, again, dont bother because your odds are worse. Just remember, if it was easy to emigrate, then everyone would have done it. Just try harder because let me tell you, these people in government dont give a damn about YOU, YOUR FAMILY, MEDICAL CARE OR YOUR BUSINESS. If the crime, medical care and basic service delivery's do not change in the next few years, then there is nothing left for me here.My date its the 1st of January 2015

  • psebe - 2011-07-10 11:08

    julle kan bly...you left SA during MANDELA,MBEKI era and now you are complaining of MALEMA,you have different excuses for your unpatriotic attitude towards this country..neither APARTHEID NOR RACISM chased us out our country we stayed here even though our people were killed and marginalized to unacceptable level.If you are SOUTH AFRICAN you'll stand it's problems and try like many south african to solve them...maybe i should repeat what THE GREATEST MANDELA said"ONLY CHICKEN WILL RUN"..i'm sick tired of people like doubly salmon and many like him/her who are always picking negative issues and ignore positives about south Africa..if what they post here is how they feel about our south Africa ,then they can stay wherever they are!!!!

      Marcell - 2011-07-10 12:22

      Please list the positives.

      Totman - 2011-07-10 12:56

      psebe. To use the Afrikaans words "julle kan bly" does not mean that you address the people who left. It is more the Afrikaans people who are well English spoken or the English speaking people that left. You should rather say those words to the people who stayed. They are the ones who have too much to loose. They love the soil and would rather try to live with the problems, trying finding solutions. Yes, I know the ones left say that it is because these people are not well educated and therefore can't leave, but my observation is that even those less educated ones do not really what to leave. They would rather try to better the condition locally to ensure their future. No attack on the ones that left. You had your reasons and you followed your mind. Note, that I said mind not hart, because if you followed your hart you should not come back because you h'v never belonged here. I wish you good luck to where ever you went. The ones who's harts are guiding them back are welcome. I must say that, seeing that we are not creating jobs, it will be more competitive again, but we will survive that as well.