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Marikana: Police action 'will spark revolt'

2012-09-15 20:30

Johannesburg - The mediator in the Lonmin mine strike warned on Saturday that a police crackdown on workers could worsen the crisis and ignite revolt at other platinum mines.

"I am particularly concerned that government's present action will in fact lead to the worsening of the situation and eventually to a complete revolt across the platinum belt," Anglican Bishop Jo Seoka said in a statement.

Seoka, who is also the president of the South African Council of Churches (SACC), said six women bystanders had been shot with rubber bullets when police swooped on Marikana mine where workers have been on a wage strike for a month.

One of those shot has been hospitalised, he said.

He accused both government and Lonmin of misreading the situation, adding, "now what seemed resolvable might become an untenable situation".

He vowed to hold the government and the mine accountable.

'Government must be crazy'

Seoka helped broker the negotiations underway between the workers and Lonmin.

"Government must be crazy believing that what to me resembles an apartheid era crackdown, can succeed.

"We must not forget that such crackdowns in the past led to more resistance," he continued.

The government could ill afford to be seen as the enemy of the people who had put them in power, he added.

Police last month killed 34 strike protesters in bloodshed that shocked the world with its echoes of apartheid-era brutality.

Comments
  • wendy.schneider3 - 2012-09-15 20:36

    and the circus continous!!!!

      kayley.segal - 2012-09-15 21:27

      And how could the situation possibly get worse??

      jeremy.forbes.1293 - 2012-09-15 21:43

      If only it were a circus, at least we would all be laughing and having fun. Sadly, this is a battle about the ownership of the mines, these poor workers think that if they cause mayhem for long enough the government will nationalise the mines and they will be able to share in the profits. They think that this is their trough, if they don't get to feed here there might never be another chance. They are simply learning from what they see around them. The black elite enriching themselves at the expense of the poor and the workers.It is a message that Malema and the ANCYL have been preaching for months and these poor souls believe them. They are dreaming about mega salaries and large houses in Sandton just like their hero Malema. This will only end in further bloodshed.

      dan.cooper.9634 - 2012-09-15 22:22

      Get juluis Malema to calm them down and stabilise the situation

      jock.black.50 - 2012-09-16 00:08

      Its fine, HIT THEM HARD!!!, no time for getting soft now, just remember all the chaos and lives they took, the huge damage they caused to the economy.

      denise.ryan.5203 - 2012-09-16 01:15

      Ten days ago the media announced that Malema’s arrest was imminent. Nothing happened to Malema. He was not arrested and he is still visiting mine after mine inciting violence and revolution in South Africa and the ANC lets him be. Malema's so called banning from the ANC was just a scam. He is still their loyal agent and lapdog, carrying out the true agenda. The biggest mistake people can make is to believe that Malema is anti Zuma. He is Zuma’s big mate and he is a communist apparatchik. Malema being “fired” from the ANC is actually a promotion for him. He was too old for the Youth League anyway and as an “independent” he can carry on pushing the communist/ANC agenda without any fingers being pointed towards them. Who will be the next president is what is currently being played out. The communists want their man in. The NWO faction want their man in. Malema was roped in to escalate the revolutionary level and put the squeeze on the NWO gang. The Marikana Massacre was the result and the official start of the Revolution. The Communist will use every dirty trick in the book to win the race and get what they want. They will use blackmail, coercion, violence, terrorism, strikes, even revolution to bully everyone into submission.

      jock.black.50 - 2012-09-16 01:57

      SO WHAT!! - retain the control, show these criminal thugs who's controlling this country... you cannot allow them to soften the strategy now.

      Cameron - 2012-09-16 02:40

      Get over YOURSESELF LESETJAM!!

      Econwald - 2012-09-16 07:49

      They fought for this ?*ANC*, now i prefer being oppressed by whites than blacks

      denise.ryan.5203 - 2012-09-16 23:23

      There can be no doubt anymore... When the government deploys the army against its own citizens, you either have a civil war or a revolution on your hands. The message I read into this is that the government has lost control of the situation. For their sake I hope the ANC has that red telephone linked up to order some helicopters to save them from the rooftop of Luthuli House like Ferdinand Marcos and his family were whisked away from the rooftop of Malacañang Palace in the Philippines back in 1986.

  • kim.buren - 2012-09-15 20:41

    So this mediator is condoning this violence. What an idiot. What kind of a message does this send to the rest of SA. Now, News 24, stop deleting my comments. There is still freedom of speech in this country

      gavin.simpson.0 - 2012-09-15 20:44

      You are not the only one they are deleting. It's shocking.

      nads.delange - 2012-09-15 20:49

      Yip, me too.

      ingi.raikes - 2012-09-15 20:53

      ........ja, and me too. C'mon News24, the last message you deleted of mine was NOT offensive, it was telling everybody how I felt!!!

      max.reynecke - 2012-09-15 20:57

      Kim, I agree with you but the SANDF and the Police will now have to keep a very tight lid on the situation otherwise the priest is right, it will be like poking a lions b@lls with a very tiny little stick.

      kim.buren - 2012-09-15 20:59

      Oh cr@p Max. I give your comment a few minutes LOL

      boltonbarry - 2012-09-15 21:13

      This revolt was started when Fat boy Madenema decided that he would bring a messiahs message to the workers buy advising them to keep on striking.

      boltonbarry - 2012-09-15 21:38

      She's advocating that they shoot any one who decides to take the police on with fire arms or try to kill their fellow mine workers cause they are not striking

      kim.buren - 2012-09-15 21:44

      @Veld. You doing just that idiot. What hole did you crawl out of?

      sebenza.vanrooy - 2012-09-15 21:55

      YEH! who wouldn't when their product's prices increases with strikes? tell me.

      sandra.j.rennie - 2012-09-15 22:01

      The Bishop should stick to matters of the Church and keep his nose out of business!

      martin.gardner.923 - 2012-09-16 01:13

      Ya, NEWS24 also deletes my comments!

      lionel.defrontignac - 2012-09-16 07:42

      @Siya and others complaining about censorship here; this is a platform owned by NASPERS, if memory serves correct, one of the forerunners was Republican Press, which was founded by a former editor of Die Vaderland;now go and do the conspiracy theory thang! On the other hand, maybe your comments overstepped the mark ?

      om.nom.nom.01 - 2012-09-16 16:25

      I can't even bitch about my comments being deleted... coz that also gets deleted (like what happened above). At least this time it was kinda funny.

      heathway.master - 2012-09-17 14:15

      There never seemed to be this amount of labour unrest during the Presidency of Mbeki. Maybe the nation’s trouble stirrers had some respect for him, and were wary of how he might react to anarchy by bloody thirsty mobs. In my humble opinion, the Government should look at making any gathering of more than 10 people against the law. In labour disputes, let the labour unions and the employer thrash out agreements around the board table. The miners can still stay away from work if they refuse to accept the settlement offered, but keep the mindless, destructive mobs off the street, and force them rather to watch TV at home, or talk to each other in very small groups, until disputes have been settled in a calm, intelligent and democratic process.

  • roz.mills3 - 2012-09-15 20:45

    What has happened to the "rule of law" in this country?

      ianon.ym - 2012-09-15 21:05

      What rule of law? So far the ANC has been stealing the Taxpaying public blind - have you seen anyone being arrested for it?

      keith.roberts.98434 - 2012-09-16 02:28

      It is 'rule of the anc, by the anc, for the anc'.

      merven.halo - 2012-09-17 09:42

      This is Africa, there is no rule of law.

  • mandla.buthelezi.12 - 2012-09-15 20:45

    This is an unfortunate development in the already voletile situation. Its like pouring fuel into the fire.

      boltonbarry - 2012-09-15 21:15

      Or maybe taking fire to the fuel

      basil.jacobs1 - 2012-09-15 21:30

      Fight fire with fire!!!

      gillian.d.toit - 2012-09-16 12:35

      The minors are radical and therefore dangerous. They sense the Government is weak. It only makes them more dangerous. More innocent lives are going to be lost because of Government inaction. No-one wants lives to be lost but there comes a time when one must draw a line on the ground. When it is crossed one must act decisively.

  • nads.delange - 2012-09-15 20:47

    No control, what a joke!

  • abdullah.abdullah.31105 - 2012-09-15 20:48

    Erm... guys... squashing rebellion in your electorate with the barrel of a gun... do you really think this is going to end well?

      abdullah.abdullah.31105 - 2012-09-15 21:24

      No answer, just 2 thumbs down... nice one...

      lee.parker.39142072 - 2012-09-15 21:24

      Could be a gamble or well thought plan

      keith.roberts.98434 - 2012-09-16 02:31

      What do you expect at that time of night, we are all too babalaas to think intelligently.

      Cameron - 2012-09-16 02:44

      SO what do you suggest then?!?!? let the criminals do what they want?!?!?

      bradley.kecskes - 2012-09-17 13:22

      Yeah what do you suggest we do against the criminals, sing em' lullaby songs? no the barrel of a gun but a big gun.

  • Neil Alberts - 2012-09-15 20:51

    perhaps the bishop should preach the bible and not cover for violent strikers, police crack down welcomed! this is not a strike but a revolt by people that are influenced by politicians seeking attention

      keith.roberts.98434 - 2012-09-16 02:33

      You hit the nail on the head. Mobs do not listen to reason they listen to what they want to hear.

      sibusiso.l.mngomezulu - 2012-09-16 07:09

      try to walk a mile in their shoes and you will change tune soon

      henk63 - 2012-09-16 10:15

      @Sibusiso - We all have our troubles. It is our response to them and how we cope that makes the difference. We all are NOT equal and some will always have more than others. It is only a matter of proper planning, good decisionmaking, overcoming adversity and yes, some luck. Those that waste their youth and always take the easy way out instead of preparing for the future, cannot expect the same rewards as those who were diligent their whole life.

  • helio.paulo.7 - 2012-09-15 20:52

    Bishop get back to your church where you belong!

      merven.halo - 2012-09-17 09:44

      Yes, but higher salaries for the miners mean higher income for the church. Trust me, this idiot will make sure that the miners understand his role in the saga.

  • brendon.nel.7 - 2012-09-15 20:53

    He is right about this action resulting alienating the people who voted for the ANC against them. At the same time no action will result in further alienating those that never had and are loosing faith in the ANC. Nevermind the foreign investment that needs government to ensure a secure business enviroment.

  • themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-15 20:56

    The mediator needs to understand that the miners are hacking people to death, and unless they are disarmed, they'll continue to behave like hooligans. Let them stage peaceful protests and the police will have no reason to use force against them

      sibusiso.l.mngomezulu - 2012-09-16 07:11

      only eaurope ppl protest peacefully not in the arab and african world so please stop day dreaming

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-16 11:31

      Hey idiot, why must people who are protesting for improved labour conditions carry spears, pangas and other dangerous weapons, and also hack others with to death? The police must shoot the bastards

      merven.halo - 2012-09-17 09:46

      @themba, sibusiso is right. This is not Europe, in Africa killing is negotiation. It is the African way.

  • madoda.monamudi - 2012-09-15 21:06

    ANC we loose Gauteng and North West Province in the next election.

      boltonbarry - 2012-09-15 21:16

      I will be there with the popcorn and beers to celebrate

      nads.delange - 2012-09-15 21:48

      That will be amazing!!!

      nico.leroux1 - 2012-09-16 01:49

      Yes Madoda!!!!

      nads.delange - 2012-09-16 09:35

      Yes lesetjam, wow, the people in the Western Cape are really really struggling hey, over 2000 houses currently being built for them, decent education where all children received their textbooks and supplies on time, decent shelters and a crackdown on homelessness, working infrastructure. Go have a look in the Western Cape, do me a favour and have a look. The Nazi's are doing a wonderful job of looking after ALL the cirizens of the Western Cape, and it shows. There is no comparison between there and Gauteng, in Gauteng service delivery is at a standstill, in the Western Cape it flourishes. If only we could use our brains when voting and see what a mess the mighty ANC has led us to. Luckily there are people in this country moving away from idiotic racial voting, soon we will be the majority. Oh and by the way, you are not here to "run the country", that would actually entail a betterment of lives, which you have definitely not accomplished.

      elgh.elgh - 2012-09-16 16:19

      We will show you how to propperly run a province.

      bradley.kecskes - 2012-09-17 13:24

      Eish...i cant wait, the day our children do not have to worry about locking the gates(many of them) and going to sleep peacefully knowing that their gov is there for them.

  • clement.clemr - 2012-09-15 21:12

    That is the last kick of the dying horse(confused zuma and his ministers)

  • lee.parker.39142072 - 2012-09-15 21:13

    Who does this Seoka guy think he is. I presume he thinks he is a fortune teller

  • kevin.moxham.3 - 2012-09-15 21:14

    Dear Bishop - criminals are breaking the law what should be done about that...?

      michael.malemela.9 - 2012-09-15 21:24

      Who r the criminals?

      nads.delange - 2012-09-15 21:53

      Michael, this is an ILLEGAL strike (hint number one), where people (if you could call them that) have killed people (illegal again, hint number two), threatened other people with violence or death for not wanting to strike (again, illegal, hint number three), and kept people who want to work from working (infringing in people's human rights, yes, you guessed it, also illegal, hint number four). Hmmmm......I suppose you can't call people (if you can call them that) who do all these illegal things criminals, right?

      brendon.nel.7 - 2012-09-15 21:54

      By definition a person disobeying the higher laws of the country. Disrupting a legal business with illegal disruptive actions. Intimidation, murder are all acts of criminals. Fortunately for many stupidity is not a crime.

      Mbango Ngomane - 2012-09-15 22:15

      Some of you guys seem to be very hard of hearing (or reading). The Bishop, according to the report, is not against police action, but against police unethical behaviour, which was reminiscent of yesteryear's police. How do you explain the brutality against defenseless women? Marikana is a political problem (socio-economic political problem) and police heavy-handedness won't solve it, rather an astute political leadership.

      nads.delange - 2012-09-15 22:25

      Mbango, agreed, police brutality is unacceptable and those women should not have been hurt. BUT, the police have tried other means, with no success. They are not being brutal, they are removing weapons from shacks and firing teargas and rubber bullets. The fact that the strikers are striking in an area that places women and children in danger is also unacceptable. The police have tried negotiating and being nice, it hasn't worked. What else must they do? These strikers are criminals and need to be arrested. The fact is, we cannot allow this lawlessness to continue, it will lead to anarchy.

  • gnoise.prod - 2012-09-15 21:16

    zuma must go to Marikana and talk to his people!!

      michael.malemela.9 - 2012-09-15 21:22

      And tell them what,to take a shower after unprotected sex?U r joking for sure

      gnoise.prod - 2012-09-15 21:55

      malema had the guts to go and talk to the miners & they listened to him,i presume that zuma is greater than malema so they will listen

      MatomeAnchor - 2012-09-15 22:01

      Zuma's presence won't make any difference. Strategic interventions can also be made even if Zuma is further afield. He is delaying in getting the commission of enquiry to start there actual work, he might as well worsen there situation if he goes there and say things which the miners aren't prepared to listen.

      merven.halo - 2012-09-17 09:48

      @ michael.malemela.9 - that is better than idiot Malema's 'Eish, we want, we want, hu? what is this all about, I don't understand' mentality.

  • michael.malemela.9 - 2012-09-15 21:16

    Its obvious that our police force is always glad to experiment their power on powerless,poor and defenseless south africans.Take the Tatane murder.If u r poor in this country n an original citizen,u have no ryts to fight for.U do,u die.

      nads.delange - 2012-09-15 21:57

      Michael, you only have rights if you are willing to abide by the corresponding responsibilities. The thing you guys do not understand is that you cannot go around killing people or threatening people because you're angry. Strike,, please, that's your right, but you have the RESPONSIBILITY to do so peacefully and you also have the RESPONSIBILITY to do so without keeping other people who do not want to strike from working. When you cannot abide by these rules, you lose your rights, simple as that.

      sandra.j.rennie - 2012-09-15 22:08

      Michael and you thought the apartheid police were bad. You ain't seen nothing yet ! Watch this space !

      Cameron - 2012-09-16 02:46

      Michael...u are fullof sh$t..end of!

      trompie.jonck - 2012-09-16 08:49

      Original citizen? What the hell is that? Hope u don't think that black people are original citizens of this country....any body who was born in this country is a citizen of this country. Ur logic buddy is as sour as the pigs of animal farm!

      colin.langley - 2012-09-17 09:08

      Michael.malemela.9....I would love to see you say this to the faces of the families of the security guards and policeman who were hacked to death by these hooligans.

  • derek.bredenkamp.3 - 2012-09-15 21:17

    This guy is 100% correct. This crackdown just shows whose side they're on.

      merven.halo - 2012-09-17 09:51

      The law's side where it is suppose to be?

  • mart.botha - 2012-09-15 21:21

    Being disgruntled is not a licence to defy authority. The fact that the actual aggressors are portaying themselves as victims in this conflict defies logic and is reminiscent of the third force activities of yesteryear. Look deep into the shadows to see what is really happening !

  • BulletProof. - 2012-09-15 21:23

    Mr Bishop if the mediation finish, so, also your business is finish.

  • Tim Elliott - 2012-09-15 21:27

    Divine intervention won't work Bish.Legal intervention won't work.These crazed lunatics don't have any intellect at all.This is classic anarchy fuelled by a deranged power hungry brain dead guy who has never had a job in his life!But is filthy rich.Now which one of you idiots out there still blindly and sadly thinks Malema is the saviour?

  • Mjak8s - 2012-09-15 21:29

    Did the esteemed reverend say complete revolt? Is he high on nyaope? I guess he suppose police should just stand by and watch as these clowns goes on a mad rush. I say the police do their job as long as its within the perimeters of the constitution.

  • nico.dejongh.90 - 2012-09-15 21:30

    Early morning raid with vast amount of 'weapons' confiscated to signal violence will not be tolerated. World wide broadcast over mine incidences will ridicule Mr. Black back into the Dark Age of tribal warriors.

  • puckson.gumede - 2012-09-15 21:34

    This pastor must be crazy if anything, he too, should be arrested for incotement, he sounds like an uncouth thug himself out to appease thuggish behaviour . This strike is no longer about genuine labour grievances but a sponsored revolt against a democratically elected government and all the instigators and perpetrators of violence must be arrested and face the full wrath of the law

      chule.qalase - 2012-09-15 21:58

      So what are about you? It seems as though to me you are the worst thug and a merciless murderer!! So it's fine for people rights to be violated in the name of crack downs?

      nads.delange - 2012-09-15 21:58

      Well said!!

      nads.delange - 2012-09-15 22:05

      Chule, how on earth do you get to that logic? I think everyone's forgetting that this is an ILLEGAL strike, and that people have been killed by these strikers, and threatened by these strikers. They deserve to be arrested, period, nobody is above the law! This has nothing to do with human rights, honestly, I'm sick of repeating myself, with rights come responsibilities!!

      chule.qalase - 2012-09-15 22:24

      You seem to be forgetting something that no industrial strike in this country has ever been refered to as legal. Also police are deployed to enforce the constitution of the land not to trash it for the benefit of some people. Am no expect in law but only white folks laws allowed them to just get into someones home while he/she is asleep and do as they please, we don't expect that in a democratic country! And mind you umkhukhu is a home to someone just like the mansions

      nads.delange - 2012-09-15 22:34

      Chule, they broke the law, they gave up their rights to privacy (it's called a warrant, something that is used in every democratic country in the world). If I did something illegal, they would have the right to enter my house unexpectedly as well, since I did not abide by the laws of the country and therefore gave up my right to privacy. And the police confiscated weapons for crying in a bucket, they didn't hurt them while doing so. And actually, if I had the energy, which I don't, I'm pretty sure I could get you examples of LEGAL industrial actions in a matter of seconds. It's not our fault they choose to trash everything and then turn it into an illegal protest. And please, spare me the racial drivel, this is not a racial issue.

      nads.delange - 2012-09-15 23:27

      Cabashe, the same can be said for a few black individuals who have found a miraculous way to blame this on whites, and the Boers, and who knows what else. The fact is, we have racist whites, and blacks, and indians, and coloureds, and chinese, in our country. That will never change, although the numbers are on the decrease I think. But we also have people in this country who don't care about race, who only want to see this country succeed, and who will call the ANC out on their uselessness, not because they are black, but because they are useless and have proven that to us for 18 years now, and will call these miners barbarians, not because they are black, but because they are acting like barbarians. The fact is, it is your choice to either join the latter group of people who just care about our beautiful country and don't want to permanantly have the racial debate where there isn't one to be had, or you can fall into the trap where everything is racial. Your choice. Using the "but they started it" excuse doesn't help this country, if they start it, rise above it and be bigger than that, join the people who want to change SA for the better.

      Michael - 2012-09-16 09:08

      The bishop is out of order, he is actually suggesting that strikers must remain armed. He must go back home and pray for peace away from the field of war, he is losing focus, the responsibility is too big for him.

  • Sammy Willow - 2012-09-15 22:04

    Sidney i really hope so

  • ipeleng.molaba - 2012-09-15 22:20

    It is nice whn u commnt on de sideline... De gvrnmnt must wtch deir stepz cz 1 wrng move deir r dwn. Cz does dat wntd 2 bring dwn de ANC wil c dis as an optnty 2 d so... Lol if does strikng mine workrz cn gt ahld of gunz w r gng 2 c sumthng else...

  • ipeleng.molaba - 2012-09-15 22:20

    It is nice whn u commnt on de sideline... De gvrnmnt must wtch deir stepz cz 1 wrng move deir r dwn. Cz does dat wntd 2 bring dwn de ANC wil c dis as an optnty 2 d so... Lol if does strikng mine workrz cn gt ahld of gunz w r gng 2 c sumthng else...

      graham.greeff - 2012-09-15 22:22

      Spelling or proper English Bud !

      sally.lewitt - 2012-09-16 05:09

      Like wise, did not understand a single word. So ipeleng.molaba please type in FULL words so that all can actually understand what you are trying to say here. Please be considerate. Thank you

  • spookhuis - 2012-09-15 22:26

    African Spring ????

      george.sejaphala.3 - 2012-09-16 01:59

      My email gsejaphala@gmail.com

      spookhuis - 2012-09-16 14:16

      What must I do with your email address George?

      colin.langley - 2012-09-17 09:10

      More like an African nuclear winter!

  • graham.greeff - 2012-09-15 22:32

    Has anybody actually seen any photo's taken of the brutality against the security guards on the day of the shooting ? Post me an an email I ill will forward it yo you. Thats why the cops opened fire !!! and rightfully so.

      nzapheza - 2012-09-15 23:02

      Mamepe1@hotmail.com

      mbeko.trevor - 2012-09-15 23:48

      trevormanana@gmail.com

      nicolaas.baker - 2012-09-16 00:21

      nicolaasbakr@yahoo.com

      Partiboy - 2012-09-16 01:22

      chriso1820@gmail.com

  • ashley.bloxham - 2012-09-15 22:37

    How can it be apartheid era brutality when it was black cops shooting black rioters!! That has no resemblance to the apartheid. This is more like government incompetency. They must sort their people out. All the mines are gona close and then they won't even have 5000. Then who are they going to cry to?if u want more money, go to school and learn to get a better job, don't be cross with the life u have chosen for yourself!!

  • manie.feyer - 2012-09-15 22:37

    Very obvious is that this priest whom are supposed to serve the evangilistic covenant prove himself a false man of the cloth and a misleader, not to be trusted. He is a servant of the law, whom fell back, or are false all along, serving as a judge to judge others so and so wrong. Whom follow him and his non Chritian judgement acts are so lost and the Anglican Church might consider stronly what is exposed here whether he serve works of the flesh or works the spirit. To top it, he seems to be is a biased false mediator that is there to score some or other points, as a judge. You are supposed to spread the Gospel, not a servant of the law and never a judge, to be judged.

  • sandy.langenstrass - 2012-09-15 22:37

    This situation I would like to compare to having a child that is running a mock because he has NO DISCIPLINE....everyday matters just go from bad to worse....because people (parent) is afraid to put their foot down.....the end result will be tragic if this is not taken into control immediately. Mr President...are you Man or Mouse....it's your duty to this country to

  • Michael - 2012-09-15 22:41

    Bishop, the problem is that miners are killing other innocent people, actually your comments will spark revolt, it is time for people to be reminded that 'right to be treated with respect' requires responsibility, rights are not always guaranteed. People cant just behave as if their actions dont have concequences because they are blacks and they have a painful past, thats total crap mentality!

  • kingsley.mokomane - 2012-09-15 22:56

    Wrong tactics mr or mrs government. You don't need to use power instead you need to influence to stop mad marikane situation

      ernest.mumvuma - 2012-09-16 09:45

      Kingsely,Do u have ears to hear and atleast consider the behaviour of these thick headed miners? what sort of tactical approach would u use to more than 2000 mad people carrying from pangas to guns? If u were a Policeman would you pat those miners on their backs and plead them to stop? Such leniency will get all those Policemen killed.

  • nzapheza - 2012-09-15 23:00

    I agree with Bishop Seoka that the govt crackdown will only harden the hearts of the workers. These guys have already braved death and they dont have much to live for unless Lon(don)min puts a decent offer on the table. At this rate of inflation, who cn live on R4K? That wont even fill the fuel tank of two of the SUVs in JZ's motorcade. Im also surprised that the president wouldnt send in the army to deal with the tik monsters in the Cape Flats but he's quick to send the troops to Marikana. Or maybe it is easier to shoot @ spear-wielding miners than pistol-carrying tik monsters.

      nads.delange - 2012-09-15 23:32

      They're not working for R4000, Lonmin released figures of their salaries, it's quite a bit above the R4000 people have been reporting. The fact is, their net take home salary after medical aid, pension, tax, food, and so forth, is R4000 roughly. And on top of that they get a R1600 housing allowance if they do not choose to live in the free mine accommodation. So their situation is not as dire as they would like people to believe. Agree with you on the refusal to send the army to the Cape Flats, but then why would he want to help improve the lives of people in a province he doesn't govern? Hows he supposed to win the WC back then? The ANC only cares about their votes, nothing else.

      jay.kganyago.5 - 2012-09-16 03:15

      Being unhappy with your salary doesn't give you a right to attack innocent people and destroy property.

      sibusiso.l.mngomezulu - 2012-09-16 07:24

      i cant agree with you more there Nzapheza it is always easier to jugde.most ppl are commenting seating in their cosy homes with huge allowances and salaries boasting education as an excuse for their well pay but if all of us were so educated who would be doing all the risky and dirty jobs that the so called eductaed and political correct population is entirely enjoying its fruits. most of them they want jeweleries and advanced electronics. where do they think all of that comes from. it all starts as a raw material from somewhere in the mine not just from the shopping malls. so before ppl can comment negatively here they must get thier heads out of somebody's thighs and think logically. To all the miners who lost their lifes may their soul rest in peace

  • jay.ramodiana - 2012-09-15 23:04

    One thing I'm sure about Zuma will step down come December he is useless as a leader no wonder they say he only got Grade 3 I never voted before but this time I will make sure I go vote I hope ANC don't win really maybe DA can do a better job. Zuma and Hadabe they adding fuel into this sitution I agree with the bishop other platinum mines may also go on strike bring our economy down and bad naming south africa. Lonmin should just close for couple of months give these people they package and start re hiring cause obvious no one is willing to back down or take control of this issue. The shows that south african we solve our problems volince I wonder what Americans say about us. All parties are wrong starting with Lonmin management, workers, unions, police and government

  • bishopbishop35 - 2012-09-15 23:14

    This is disgusting ,are the being forced back to work its like mafia style from a movie ,the big guns are loosing money so the governments giving a helping hand,they all work for us we are the nation not the mine not the government they loose focus they work for us ,wat is the mines profit margin,how much do they pay thay foreign workers ,it surprises me how come the rest of southafrica has not got involved yet don't you know you going to be next ,how much more blood must spill until we get a fare shear of the spoils of our labour,look at it which working man wants to live in a shack with your family are u not ashamed a widow making orphan producing regime.its a scourge it is murder we all pull the trigger ,I tell you each dog will have its day enjoy while u can your evil actions will witness against you you oppressor your greed will cry out tainted in the blood ,not only in Marikana but in the whole country our kids are pumped full of drugs & alcohol our wives & daughters are raped at any time jail is a holiday camp ,the only employment our kids will have walking the ghettos selling drugs killing raping forfilling the atrocities of war a war to survive in a government less environment our leaders we elected fatten them selves ,how sad the fathers devour the kids .the mothers throw out the child and nurse the placenta how foolish dont you know it will all turn to rot ,well that's fine you already stink

      nads.delange - 2012-09-16 00:11

      Simple, don't vote for the ANC, they got us to this point, and it's not going to get better.

  • paul.kuhn2 - 2012-09-15 23:16

    Clearly most of you aren’t staying in shacks without basic sanitation wile your bosses earn more than half a million rand a month! Typical of privileged people!!!! What a joke you guys are, still thinking that the poor owe you everything!! Go strikers, cripple these greedy mines and show them what you are really worth!! Amandla!!

      nads.delange - 2012-09-16 00:07

      And lose your jobs and the salaries you currently have when you cripple one of our country's largest industries in terms of employment. Great plan Paul! You also can't see past the nose you're cutting off to spite your face. And whose fault is it that the poverty, sanitation and housing issues in SA are still there? Yes, that's right, that would be the government's fault. So go moan at them.

      fort.horseman.7 - 2012-09-16 00:11

      @paul.i have travelled to many parts of the world,and never have i come across a place that is so detached frm the hardships endured by the poor,and the the cruelty of placing greed above humanity.It is dismaying to c people being forced into slavery in this day and age,not to mention the hypocrisy of those who have just come frm oppression.

      nads.delange - 2012-09-16 00:23

      @fort, never been to China then? The solution is not to cripple employers, that's shortsighted, it will only worsen your current situation. The solution is voting for a government who actually uses taxes for the betterment of the country as a whole, starting with education for all. That is how this situation will one day be fixed. But until then, we will have many more Marikanas.

      fort.horseman.7 - 2012-09-16 01:14

      @nads.if these workers knew any better,they wudnt be going to those underground hells evryday for R4000 a month.Al they asking for is a decent dignified existence for the dangerous job they do.

      thozi - 2012-09-16 01:59

      Nobody is forcing anybody to go back to work paul.kuhn2. I mostly disagree with the government, but I support it so far as it has awoken to do its job of preventing uncotrollable anarchy. I'm the first one to support people's right to strike for the betterment of their rights, but peacefully and within the law. They should also do it in such a way as not to encroach on the rights of others, eg. those who want to continue working, kids who want to go to school etc. The problem with this government is that it has been so afraid of losing "second term", votes and support, that it has been lax on the maintanance of law and order. This has gone to such an extend that many people believe that poverty justifies criminality and therefore if you are poor and angry, it's fine to burn two busses or three, a train here, few libraries there etc. And finally paul.kuhn2, the way to get out of shacks is to work - honestly and hard. Then you make it possible for promotion and more salary, not by brandishing pangas and toma-hawks and believing in rabbits. Finally paul.kuhn2, the poor don't owe us anything... but they owe thenselves and their families to work hard, face reality, stop dreaming about the R12,500 and start to see that snake malema for what he is - he will just use them amd dump them like he did great men before them.

      jay.kganyago.5 - 2012-09-16 03:19

      Yes, "cripple the greedy mines" and destroy hundreds of thousands of jobs in this country, smart thinking there, genius. Hey, it's not as if the masses need things like jobs, food, or education for their children ... let's just destroy the economy, that'll show those "greedy miners".

      kevin.moxham.3 - 2012-09-16 06:27

      R500 000 a month - wow - who gets that Paul or is this what the sangoma told you - lets us know your source...?

      nads.delange - 2012-09-16 09:51

      @fort, they are not working for R4000 a month. They get R4000 NET out after all their usual deductions. They are some of the lucky few in this country with medical aid funding and a pension, as well as getting fed every single day. Their situation is not nearly as dire as painted in the media. And if they work hard (like in any job really) they get promoted to a higher salary scale. See, in my job for instance, I only get an inflationary increase once a year. The only way for me to get any other form of increase is to work extremely hard for a promotion, or study extremely hard to qualify as a professional. Either way, I need to put in the work and studies, otherwise I will continue on my salary plus inflationary for the rest of my life. Most people have jobs like this. We do not go around killing people when we don't get promoted. If these miners are really honest with themselves, they'll realise that they have it pretty good. They get R4000+ out after most expenses, and a R1600 housing subsidy ontop of that. They do not need to live in a shack with that kind of income, if they're smart they will save their money and buy or rent a better place for that. But somebody (Malema) indoctrinated them with lies of more money than they deserve, and now all they see is cash. So the greed inherent in most people kicked in, and now they're killing people for that greed. Because honestly, R12,500 NET, after deductions, is plain and simple greed, most educated people do not even get that!

      kndobe - 2012-09-16 10:34

      @Nads, i think you base all these assumptions you have by what you see being reported in the media and no one can blame you for that. The situation is actually worse than that, who determines how much you should be compensated for whatever work you do? the industry? but are the people in that industry honest people who do all in their power to grant their workers the right to human dignity. Well i have my answer and you answer that question to yourself.

      nads.delange - 2012-09-16 11:02

      Kndobe, I hear what you're saying. I actually base my assumptions on a combination of the media, and my friends who work at the platinum mines' experiences. My one friend who works at Anglo Plat told me that he spoke to some of the miners the day before they went on strike. Those guys told him bluntly that they do not want to strike, that they just want to work, but that friends of theirs had been threatened with petrol and other weapons if they didn't strike. These miners were scared to death, and worried about the money they would be missing out on in this needless strike. They called the guys at Lonmin greedy fools. They also confirmed that most of the people instigating this strike were not even employed by any of the mines, and were troublemakers. Yes, the poor in this country really suffer, but like I said earlier, this will not change until we get a new government. Lonmin does need to move faster in converting housing to family housing from hostels, but this is not the way to go about asking for it.

  • graham.greeff - 2012-09-15 23:21

    I have these photographs that were sent to me of how security guards had their their jaws cut out etc. I am not sure if they are correct but I will forward them if anybody wants to see them. They are pretty graphic and could be very offending to sentitive viewers.

      joel.legodi - 2012-09-16 01:03

      Jr.legodi@gmail.com, please send then. The truth that Eastern cape will vote for UDM

      letlhogonolo.selebalo - 2012-09-16 01:43

      selebalo.l@pg.com; pls send thm to me

      george.sejaphala.3 - 2012-09-16 01:53

      May u send me those fotos pls I'm distebd about the way dos security guyt and police were slota\r\nd

      olebogeng.tom - 2012-09-16 02:12

      Send them pls at olebogengtom@yahoo.com

      aubrey.nthebe - 2012-09-16 02:32

      only a better solution can help rather blaming or pointing fingers

      sally.lewitt - 2012-09-16 04:54

      SaveOurCheetah@gmail.com Thanks

      morena.moshodi.9 - 2012-09-16 06:14

      Pls send mjmoshodi@vodamail.co.za thanks.

  • Siyabonga Masondo - 2012-09-15 23:22

    What is the government trying to hide, these government ministers have shares in those mines thats why dey doing all this, what kind of a government kills its own ppl! i srsly think Mbeki administration was better dan Zumas, Malema is seeing something ryt but he is banned because he tells d truth to d public!!!!!

      sibusiso.gigaba - 2012-09-16 05:27

      @Siyabonga Masondo where are you getting that information please share with the public which minister has shares in the mines. I think its important in trying to solve this problem with mines strike we deal with facts rather than fiction.

  • barend.wasserman - 2012-09-15 23:37

    fire them and get it over with. These people clearly want to disobey the law. Technically they are all jobless as they have all absconded their duties farther than the law states.

  • jacob.molife - 2012-09-15 23:47

    If the churchman's comments are not insighting, I really do not know what they are. Juju used this rhetoric.

  • tolo.maano - 2012-09-16 00:24

    Government seen as enemy of the people who put them in power

  • happy.rikhotso.14 - 2012-09-16 00:25

    I dnt knw mayb Government and Lonmin are partners in resistance to wht mine workers demand.Two Heads(Zuma) do something positive in favour of our country man than this negativity. We are the ones who put you there but now you acting like Judas by selling those who put you in power.

      sally.lewitt - 2012-09-16 04:48

      Hey Happy.. Maybe they're trying to push up the price of platinum? You never know. In politics there is no conscious, just bigger profit

  • mluleki.duku1 - 2012-09-16 00:30

    Slowly but surely this country is gonna b like Zim, gvt is trying by all mins to hide sumthing fom us n he's using state departments to fulfill his mission. He's worsening the situation. Where's minister of labour, minerals n energy and the gorvement task team, they should hv done better rather than playing blame game. Our President is really failing us bt just because we r so dom we regret later, Apartheid is back in disguise

  • theron.masst - 2012-09-16 00:55

    I really dnt knw but our country is turning into unsafe place 4 us the youth our leaders dont care

  • Lucky Onkabetse - 2012-09-16 01:07

    governmet is doing wht is required of them,everybody in every industry is being paid according to what he put on da table,when he's being hired.u simply cnt expect to come wth grade 0 and earn 12 500,i thnk the best option is to close down those mines and when reopens management should start hiring by certain grades n degrees,cos the other thing that cause low earnings is that sum funds are reserved for mine accidents(caused by emloying uneducated individuals).

      thabo.lekwane.7 - 2012-09-16 02:42

      advise go read marikana-truth.com n maybe u will whts those ppl r fighting 4.

      sally.lewitt - 2012-09-16 04:39

      You ARE clueless..

  • scholesss - 2012-09-16 01:38

    this is really getting too bad

  • jay.kganyago.5 - 2012-09-16 02:25

    We can't let a small group of lawless militants hold the country hostage. A national strike could destroy hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of jobs. They're playing chicken with our futures and our jobs, using them as a bargaining chip.

      Muffin_man_can - 2012-09-16 06:30

      Truthfull comment!

      michelle.kirsten - 2012-09-16 16:54

      Yip. As a teacher who gets less than what these mineworkers are demanding, I can just imagine that if the demands, by some miracle, get met, teachers and nurses will be next, and if the demands don't get met, it will also end in tears!

  • Matlala - 2012-09-16 02:56

    The useless utterances of Bishop Jo Saeoka are with due respect disgusting and baseless. We have been calling the State to step in and protect the lives of people at Lomnin. The State hit to the call. Now there is this Bishop Jo Seoka who want indoctrinate the world about his baseless and misleading statement against State intervention. Maybe Bishop thoiught he is Alfa and Omega for Marikana problem. We expect him to show support to all strategies meant for intervention in Marikana, irrespective of who initiates such intervention. Bishop Jo Seoka, it is your utterances that will spark revolt in miners and not State intervention.

  • danie.smit.587 - 2012-09-16 03:49

    Is the very heart of what is wrong, not the government allowing their partners striking workers to destroy their employers property, intimidate and kill working workers and carry weapons to enforce their strike ? If they acted a long time ago against the thuggery of their alliance partners, would their ever have been a Marikana slaughter? Malema and AMCU could be doing the country a favour forcing the ANC to crack down on CUSATO striking workers, and bring their rights in line with labour uniuns world wide rights, for the good of SA