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Marikana miners form 'war committee'

2012-09-12 12:36

Johannesburg - Striking Lonmin mineworkers have formed a “war committee” with other North West platinum mineworkers.

Workers from Anglo Platinum’s Bleskop mine are part of the war committee which includes the striking Lonmin miners.

The miners announced at their usual gathering spot near Nkaneng informal settlement in Marikana that a “war committee” with other North West platinum mineworkers has been formed.

Marikana miners have vowed to intensify their five-week long wildcat strike as it spreads to other mines.

The miners have also pleaded with those living with their wives to ask them to return to their rural homes in the Eastern Cape, Lesotho, Mozambique and Swaziland.

One of the workers’ leaders, known only as Bob, asked the men to allow their wives and children to leave.

“Kuza indlala, mabagoduswe oomama (Hunger is approaching, women must leave),” Bob said, referring to the fact that the workers have not been paid their August salaries and now have no food.

This morning, Bob said some journalists sympathised with the workers while others were spies.

“But we must allow all of them to work,” he said.

Another worker had earlier complained that journalists cornered individual workers and interviewed them.

Comments
  • UncleShep - 2012-09-12 12:43

    I shudder.....

      james.weather.50 - 2012-09-12 12:44

      losers ... Malema's toy soldiers

      mantothieve.missingman - 2012-09-12 13:09

      Time to stock up on ammo

      maree.cassie - 2012-09-12 13:20

      The point that they have to get through is "no work no food". The rest of the world works by these rules, what makes them different?

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-12 13:26

      the bad call from Gift of the Givers makes this different. Gift of the Givers is rewarding criminal behaviour by feeding this lot.

      nrgx.nrg - 2012-09-12 13:31

      bring in the "Lominators". Bullet vs Spear....hmmm i wonder who will win?

      thandiwe.ngema.71 - 2012-09-12 14:16

      Arrest Malema and sack miners who don't return to work within 24 hours! People have to stop falling for Malema's rash, racist, economically suicidal statements - if you are disappointed with the government, VOTE FOR A DIFFERENT PARTY!!!!!

      sean.carbutt - 2012-09-12 14:23

      Well, a war committe means that you are preparing for war, ergo, you shall be treated as a soldier and ultimately you will die as one. So SAAF, dust of one them old Buccaneers, fill up the side pods with napalm and drop it on this bunch, problem solved. Alternatively, just starve them out. They are landlocked, so ring them in with fencing and then starve them, This will probably be over in about 10 days. Once done, fire the lot of them and then deport them back to there self confessed places of birth like Swaziland etc

      procold2 - 2012-09-12 15:26

      think its time for them to kill a bunny

  • eduard.homes - 2012-09-12 12:43

    There seems to be other forces involved.... Also, these wage strikes, why not give the miners share in the mine, that way, if they(employees) mess up, then their pockets feel the burn too, not just the shareholders....

      artur.winiecki.1 - 2012-09-12 12:55

      i dont think they would understand that principle, and if they did mess up they would once again just DEMAND

      claudia.meads - 2012-09-12 13:01

      eduardhomes What will it take for the 'penny to drop' (excuse the pun) - it wage issue is a red herring, it has NOTHING to do with wages. This is about people who want to seize the mines and for it to become the property of warlords.

      ken.grimblegrumble - 2012-09-12 13:32

      They do have a share in the mine. It is called a production bonus. I admit to having no knowledge of how this is calculated nor if it is directly related to long term profits. Obviously the miners must be paid a living wage, but I think they should also be more geared towards higher production. It's a win win situation. Being paid the same wage irrespective of output simply doesn't work. I hold mining shares and so would like to see resolution on this issue. Why has Lonmin not crunched some numbers to show what type of production is required to enable them to pay x amount of wage.

  • herman.mouton - 2012-09-12 12:44

    they just don't learn anything from past experiences.....Never bring a spear to a gun fight!!!

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-12 13:02

      er Herman - they are playing 'follow my leader'. His spear goes everywhere..... nothing a shower cant fix

  • jean.tredoux.5 - 2012-09-12 12:44

    Well isn't this a safety concern for mining companies and SA?! Isn't this enough proof that these people are dangerous and must be exterminated !!?

      morris.khunou - 2012-09-12 15:30

      the best move will be for Lonmin to close the mine indefinetly.They will be forced to go back to their homes, starve a little hopefuly sanity will prevail as each one will be faced with reality. There are still millions of men who desperately want this jobs.

  • stirrer.stirrer - 2012-09-12 12:44

    If this is war it must be OK to shoot them.

      Michael - 2012-09-12 12:49

      If they kill they get off with a warning, if the police fight back they get charged with murder. The police can only fight back after they've been shot at.... What ever happens in the end i just hope JellyAss Malema is killed in the crossfire

      desertratbkf - 2012-09-12 12:53

      MOW THEM DOWN!!!!!!!

  • logical.thinker.90 - 2012-09-12 12:45

    WTF!

  • christopher.shining - 2012-09-12 12:45

    No work = no pay = hungry., Duh!

      Michael - 2012-09-12 12:54

      ahahahaha

      deon.louw.7505 - 2012-09-12 13:11

      Unless some more stupid relieve groups give them free food, once a day.

  • herman.heil - 2012-09-12 12:45

    Cool, time for some fun and games at Marikana.......hope you boys in Blue have enough ammo to make it count this time. My only wish is that malema takes point and gets nailed first.

  • sue.robertson.9083 - 2012-09-12 12:46

    Please do something to stop this so called WAR committee Government WHAT ARE YOU DOING.

      Michael - 2012-09-12 12:55

      Same thing they do everyday pinkie...nothing

      klipkop.degroote - 2012-09-12 13:56

      too busy taking a nap in parliament to care about miners with weapons. And after the nap, shopping, speeding and drinking is important stuff. Govern a country you say, well maybe later this year. (or lets wait and see if they kill all the white people then we, the government, will give them lollipops and t-shirts.)

  • mirrorman.smith - 2012-09-12 12:47

    Who the f**k do they think they are!

      kEnt256 - 2012-09-12 13:09

      Soldiers, and if that's the case then they will be treated like soldiers. Sad thing is that when the inevitable massacre happens it will be reported that miners were gunned down

  • negry.mabasa - 2012-09-12 12:48

    Wish we had government

      richard.hipkin - 2012-09-12 12:51

      I wish we had A government... Screw the ANC, time to vote them out, soon!

      om.nom.nom.01 - 2012-09-12 17:08

      PointBlank... You are clearly underestimating the power of stupidity, come next election they will just vote for the ANC again (after they got their bucket of chicken & yellow t-shirt).

  • Michael - 2012-09-12 12:49

    GIFT OF THE GIVERS must stop supplying these people with food parcel, they must go to work. Those donations are cotributed by people who working hard for their money.

      nads.delange - 2012-09-12 15:23

      I really hope that all those people who donate to Gift of the Givers stop with immediate effect. Look, everyone has the right to food and water, but with rights come responsibilities, and these, ummm, "people", have given up these rights by threatening human lives, among other things. Everything should be done to stop this madness, including cutting off all their supplies.

  • Ratfink66 - 2012-09-12 12:49

    A war committee...how 1800's.

  • andre.vandeventer.16 - 2012-09-12 12:50

    How moronic can a human being(?) be? Cutting off their nose to spite their face. Absolutely herd mentality, while Malema drinks and eats like a king and drives around in his luxury car!

  • desertratbkf - 2012-09-12 12:52

    Missile their usual gathering spot near Nkaneng!

  • crracker.crackerr - 2012-09-12 12:52

    The politicians gave the police the cold shoulder after the shooting incident. The police now clearly find themselve in the position that they can't be sure who the eventual winners will be. Why should they take unnecessary risks to themselves? The armed forces are not reliable either. Their trade unions will simply show the government the middle finger. To add to it all, the citizens of this country were largely disarmed when their rifles and other firearms were taken away by the ANC government. Who will now defend the constitution and the government of the day? And of course the politicians? Quite a mess developing. The government simply doesn't seem to be in control any longer.

      chris.hadfield2 - 2012-09-12 13:20

      No bru, the 'government' you see in the media are not in control... the shady politicians behind the scenes are. This stuff is not happening 'outside' of the anc. Everything which is developing at the moment has been planned - watch this space... I think our greatest fears are about to be realised.

  • alwyn.kotze - 2012-09-12 12:54

    Personally I feel we should blame apartheid - we haven't done that yet.

      herman.heil - 2012-09-12 12:56

      Apartheid is the last resort......come to think of it, they only have that one resort.....

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-12 13:10

      yaah these capitalist pigs who come and invest in SA and dare to try to make a profit (and pay taxes on the profits) whilst offering people employment. Who cares if the mines run at losses - the people must be paid 3 times their market value for doing nothing extra! eish eish damn the apartheid era which has never left us. And as the world develops cheaper and better ways of being productive, the Muppets of Africa become more costly and less productive. And tomorrow...? What will happen tomorrow when there is no more demand for African products? Eish - that is tomorrow's problem, but we will probably blame it on apartheid!

      victoria.kennedy.3532 - 2012-09-12 13:20

      Hahaha, sounds like a brilliant plan. When in doubt blame apartheid.

  • Harold Chisimba - 2012-09-12 12:55

    War war war! Extremely imbecillic self-made worriors,knockberries vs bullets? We all know the victors and pathetic loosers.

      dewalds3 - 2012-09-12 14:08

      Uhhm - yes of course - it is that simple... Until some of the policeman and soldiers crss the line and turn around?

  • trevor.pietersen.3 - 2012-09-12 12:55

    Sounds like "the day of the long knives"...is coming...ANC get your act together

  • vernon.annandale.7 - 2012-09-12 12:56

    Hahahahahaha!!!!!

  • thando.ramncwana - 2012-09-12 12:56

    When will this stop??.......this has really been hijacked by demagogues who are hell bent to have their airtym in the political landscape. Mangaung is beckoning......i wonder wont this ploy backfire for the ABZ brigade?

  • kEnt256 - 2012-09-12 13:00

    War Committee? Seriously? Sounds like an armed rebel uprising. And armed rebels are a threat to the security of this country. Time to stop treating these people like poor striking miners and start treating them like dangerous armed criminals. Seriously cant understand how it has gotten this far....

  • Daniel Mah - 2012-09-12 13:00

    war committee, oh ok interesting indeed. we are indeed a nation in regress

  • CronjeJC - 2012-09-12 13:04

    As the bushmen would say.. Xi Xom Xak!

  • funmilayoekwegbalu - 2012-09-12 13:06

    no comment

      customdesign - 2012-09-12 13:25

      this is a comment

  • shelley.vorster.9 - 2012-09-12 13:06

    WOW imagine that, no pay and no food? WOW and al because you refuse to work... man i never thought that would happen.......... NOT. Damn Uneducated Imbosile morons

  • chanki.modise - 2012-09-12 13:11

    Breaking news Motsepe he said is ready to take over if the lonmin stop operating in south africa.

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-12 13:25

      who is motsepe? Where will he ever find investors to buy or setup a mine?

      chanki.modise - 2012-09-12 13:30

      Alan motsepe is the own of africa rainbow minerals. Where do you live. motsepe mining magnet of south africa

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-12 13:36

      That different to a mining magnate? Umm chanki - you kinda midded the point there .... if Lonmin closes, it will never re-open while we have human miners in SA. Nobody can afford to triple the salaries and make a profit. And if Lonmin was to close down operations, there are no Investors in the world that would come into SA except the Chinese or Koreans, and then it would be on THEIR terms. And on THEIR terms, the miners would be a WHOLE LOT WORSE OFF than they are today @ R4000.

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-12 13:37

      midded = missed

      desertratbkf - 2012-09-12 13:44

      Alan, its pointless trying to let these uneducated halfwits understand what its REALLY about! All they understand Is we WANT! We DEMAND!!!!!!

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-12 13:54

      yaah I know desertrat - I just live in hope that these people can see the light at some stage, silly as that notion might be.

  • had.enuf.1 - 2012-09-12 13:12

    Bring it on - EWN and ENCA have you got your cameras ready ?

  • nicolas.gombert.16 - 2012-09-12 13:13

    I'm perplexed by the view of most of the comments on this forum. Most seem to resort to shooting Malema or to make him off as an imbecile who deserves scant attention but to make fun of his rhetoric. This man is clever, extremely clever and he has a well crafted strategy to further his agenda,whatever that may be. All I can say is that he should be taken seriously as he is a real danger to our society, our people and our country. He will not stop at anything and will reappear in various guises, this time it is the saviour of the "poor, oppressed" mine workers, he has already made overtures towards the military and before we know, we are down the drain. He appeals to the unthinking populist sector of our population, people who do not think of the consequences but are easily influenced by his rhetoric. In addition, we have a lame-duck president, who laughs at any question posed at him, no matter how serious it is. For all those who love SA: Malema is no joke!

      dewalds3 - 2012-09-12 14:09

      He knows his audience and he knows them well!

      glen.e.huysamer - 2012-09-12 14:10

      You are quite correct, the man is definitely no joke, people are fooled by his lack of formal education and it is a huge mistake to think that the man is stupid, he is not, he is out performing not only our lame duck president but the entire ANC/Alliance ruling party, without even opting up any form of alternative, or even making any kind of false promises. He is devouring the ruling party, and for this South Africa should actually thank him, the problem is, and the focus for South African's is to question what will be the change, after the ANC is finished eating itself.

  • cyril.laubscher - 2012-09-12 13:13

    So they are furious when police kill them yet they are creating a "War committee" because that always solves everything. Hope this is resolved soon its seriously damaging our country

  • stuka.nel - 2012-09-12 13:14

    and bob's your uncle...not very bright though...

  • deon.louw.7505 - 2012-09-12 13:14

    Send them to Iraq or Afghanistan if they want war, this is suppose to be a free and democratic country.

  • victoria.kennedy.3532 - 2012-09-12 13:18

    This is so surreal! When I read an article like this it feels as if I am reading about a war stricken country, not South Africa. This madness. How on earth is the mine going to be able to pay them an increase of any kind if there is no production? I mean if a company goes bankrupt where must it get money from? This is beyond crazy.

  • prisca.tlhakung1 - 2012-09-12 13:19

    Journalists must watch their backs, they are already referred to as \spies\.

  • ntsunyane.frederick - 2012-09-12 13:24

    Where is the intervention of president?The situation is getting out of control.

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-12 13:29

      dont be silly - our prez never gets involved in problems!

      dewalds3 - 2012-09-12 14:10

      We will have to put the problem out on tender - maybe the fat cousin will do the trick for us?

  • kingsley.mokomane - 2012-09-12 13:26

    We know they are underpaid and we know what they ask might be too much for the mine to afford or might be affordable BUT why is mine not meeting them halfway? Why is government not using their pitical influence to convince mine otherwise? Is because of their interest in the mines - politicians? We are loosing innocent lifes because of this situation. Please help us lord.

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-12 13:31

      Their demands are just so ridiculous, that if the mine met them halfway - their salaries would double, the mines would go bankrupt and close down., That's it in a nutshell. The miners arre not forced to work for the mines - it is a choice they made.

  • jiri.tichy.52 - 2012-09-12 13:28

    the police or army must occupy the hill, and camp there, The situation must intensify first.. Suggest that the mine closes down no talk of any kind until they come begging for work.. same with other mines.. management to close the mine on grounds that it is dangerous for the people.. intimidation hacked to death.Send them to there homes where ever. don't deploy police let them fight each other.. call in the army just to protect the mines only.... it must get worse before we can build

  • david.lebethe - 2012-09-12 13:28

    The story is suspect. Who in his sane mind would such a plan in a midst of strangers, if not to blemish mineworkers' good track record sofar? By his own admission, mineworkers are aware of the enemy among them and just who is the journalist trying to fool here?

  • wesley.botha.547 - 2012-09-12 13:28

    Please dont kill the bunny this time!!!!! then we might see more of you morons on the hill top for the cops to use as target practice!!!!!

  • Cameron - 2012-09-12 13:29

    They want war, then give it to them, before they strike because no one wants to give them that either!

  • Durell Mason Dunn - 2012-09-12 13:31

    When will this end? Catastrophic moments that will affect our economy severely, blood shedding and increasing the non likelihood of foreign investment.

  • clive.priestman - 2012-09-12 13:32

    the government is very quite.Hopefully they have a plan

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-12 13:48

      whaahaa haa haa haa whaa haaaa good one!

  • bradley.kecskes - 2012-09-12 13:33

    a bunch of rebels with spears and pangas...im sooo scared...

  • eric.martinsich - 2012-09-12 13:33

    Well the the knives have been drawn, the battle lines have been drawn in the sand and the political sides are being taken. No one will be a winner in this strike. The political buildup has intensified for later in the year. In one way this is good as people are showing their positions. One thing of cause is when workers start going hungry then desperate measures get taken to force their will down on management of the mines. Blood is still going to flow heavily between the two mine worker factions.

  • man.zanilla.73 - 2012-09-12 13:37

    "..in the Eastern Cape, Lesotho, Mozambique and Swaziland..." What are people from Mosam-hunger-bique, Le-brankrupt-sotho and Swazi-bunghol-land doing in our country destabilizing it. They have been allowed to work here because in their country they don't a pot to pie in. Now they want to come here, take the local population's work and then destabilize our country because they do not get enough. They want more than people earn who are managers with college diplomas. It's time that our president stop doing what he is doing causing his eyes pop out so far. He should rather start taking control. Or maybe he fear people laughing at him when he tries to take control because he himself is so compromised that he has no form of authority. God help us.

      ken.grimblegrumble - 2012-09-12 13:47

      Ready for the thumbs down. The reason why these guys are here is because the locals want office jobs and don't want to go down in the mines. You think Chuck Norris is tough, you've never been around some of this rock drillers. They're not too bright, but are strong, exactly what you require from someone you require to sit in a stinking hole using hand drills to break up the rock. I DO NOT condone the violence.

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-12 13:51

      so the mines should mechanise more - get rid of excessive labour costs and civil unrest,and improve productivity.

      ken.grimblegrumble - 2012-09-12 15:24

      @alan Alan if you are looking for a civil war then we can take your idea. To mechanise means importing machines and the money is lost (not to the company but to the country) we have a huge problem here with employment which outweighs the need for extra profit. As a shareholder I can see your logic but the unintended consequences of what you are proposing are not right at this time and place. If one was purely looking at ROE then you are right

  • peter.jefferies.90 - 2012-09-12 13:37

    Hahahahaaaaa a war committee, so they are going to take pangas to a gun fight!! The stupidity that flows through these miners veins is astounding!! I really hope they are serious about this, they can attack the police again and more will be killed!!!

  • tommy.jones.754918 - 2012-09-12 13:37

    War committee, hmmmf. In other words you see yourself as soldiers, in other words you now have an army, in other words it would be appropriate now to call in the SADF (or what is left of it) to deal with the situation. Go right ahead then - just accept the consequences afterwards.

  • saintsuperboy - 2012-09-12 13:37

    So when they do declare open war will their fearless leaders be there fighting beside them? One can only hope. Come on Malema, why don't you make good on all those promises of being willing to die for your ideals and go and lead your rabble in a war against themselves.

  • bernard.heritage - 2012-09-12 13:38

    This time, they must not complain when they get shot at, if your decide to go to war with the authority, then expect to get hurt. No sympathy if you decide to take the law into your own hands, Lock & Load SAPS.

  • bobby.rosewood.1 - 2012-09-12 13:47

    I would be surprised if these are miners. I think most of these thugs are jobless, have nothing to loose and are dragging down the community to their level by this. Time for a state of emergency in the North West, making it illegal to gather with more then 10 people. Then things will get back to normal. If not, the mines will go bankrupt and the thugs have got what they wanted.