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Marikana must make us think - Motlanthe

2012-09-07 14:02

Johannesburg - The recent violence at Lonmin's mine in North West should make South Africa think about how it approaches social and economic problems, Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe said on Friday.

"The tragedy at Marikana should make us all reflect on how we confront poverty and inequality through our respective institutions and organisations," he said.

"It also challenges us to recommit ourselves to more effective social dialogue at national and regional levels. We should strive to find a common vision to take us forward."

Inquiry

Motlanthe was speaking at the annual National Economic Development and Labour Council (Nedlac) in the East Rand.

A total of 34 miners were shot dead at Lonmin's platinum mine in Marikana when police tried to disperse striking workers.

Another 10 people, including two policemen, were killed the preceding week.

Motlanthe said a judicial commission of inquiry into the shooting had "started its work".

"Once we have the report on the commission, we will be able to deliberate fully on the events that took place and deliberate on an appropriate course of action," he said.

"The terms of reference for the commission are sufficiently broad so as to deal with all aspects of the Marikana tragedy."

Nedlac


Motlanthe said Nedlac was an important organisation. However it needed to deal with the declining quality of participation in its discussions.

"[We need to] enhance the relationship with government to avoid the use of Nedlac as an avenue for solely putting government under pressure in the event of controversial policy and legislative proposals," he said.

"[We must] avoid the relegation of [due] process to a talk shop by sending junior officials with no decision-making authority to represent business and government."

Nedlac executive director Alistair Smith told the summit it was important to understand the impact the Marikana deaths had had on South Africa.

"While we are trying to make sense of it, one thing is clear, like a mirror: Marikana reflects not just one aspect of our labour markets but also a stark warning of the instability we face as a society, unless we confront our challenges."

Comments
  • christopher.shining - 2012-09-07 14:12

    Bla bla blaaa bal bla Bla bla blaaa bal bla Bla bla blaaa bal bla. Don't come around and say "The recent violence at Lonmin's mine in North West should make South Africa think about how it approaches social and economic problems" You putting the blame on the thinking South Africans, Lonmin should make the anc think, but unfortunately that will never happen!

      max.reynecke - 2012-09-07 14:55

      At least he is admitting that they are not currently thinking....

      gustav.kriel.3 - 2012-09-07 14:57

      cant you guys handle the truth, deleting my comments... If they did not have any weapons and did not become violent, this would not have happened...

      procold2 - 2012-09-07 15:33

      all using this as political move, non of the elite including juju really gives a damn about the miners killed.

      nicholas.graan - 2012-09-07 15:39

      @gustav.kriel.3 My comment also gone for saying Motlanthe is just spewing meaningless and safe waffle that has very little to do with what happened at Marikana ...He used to be quite outspoken but now that he is vying for Presidency has become more "loyal and disciplined" Please let the Cadres at News24 have an early Friday ..

  • dewald.galjaard - 2012-09-07 14:12

    Repeat after me "I... AM... NOT.... BULLETPROOF" THINK DAMMIT!

      juan.prinsloo.750 - 2012-09-07 19:19

      It was the damn bunny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • TheyTookMyNickLaZynEko - 2012-09-07 14:12

    no, everybody needs to think ALL THE TIME about the effects of our actions.

  • BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-09-07 14:15

    A good place to start 'thinking', is what you taught your followers to do all those years ago. You, ANC, now sit with a product of your own making. First step would be to ban any weapons of any nature at protests / demonstrations / strikes, so as to avoid forcing the SAPS into shooting to save their own lives. By doing this, the normal and accepted methods of crowd control can be implemented instead of live ammo. Yes, time YOU started thinking.

      katleho.mdlalose - 2012-09-07 15:03

      if all u learnt from the Marikana strikes was banning weapons at strikes and crowd control methods, then i think you should take Motlanthe's advice and think a little bit more.

      katleho.mdlalose - 2012-09-07 15:13

      @scipp.... ur pic says all i need to kno about u. and ur ashamed neh, thts y hiding ur name? a true coward rnt u, hehe

      katleho.mdlalose - 2012-09-07 15:27

      No one is asking u to share anything, nore do u hav to say anymore. Like i said, ur a coward. Thers nothing more to it. Insult me all u want, wont change anything.

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-09-07 17:01

      katleho - please grow up. You have revealed yourself to be both biased and racist. Perhaps just grow up and mature a little before splashing your rubbish on these pages.

  • Willie - 2012-09-07 14:18

    PROBLEM 1==the allaince is causing the problem some folks do not want to support the ruling party but they want to be members of the union. Cosatu should start to focus on labour not politics.Cosatu campaign on behalve of ANC,but when members of the Anc get into dodgy deals the union is not vocal like when they campaign,therefore they tolerate corruption PROBLEM 2== No one in the ruling party wants to confront corruption head on.Collective Responsibility = all of you corrupt PROBLEM 3== Leadership undecisive no clarity in terms of mines PROBLEM 4== NO STATESMEN ONLY POLITICIANS WHO THINK ABOUT THE NEXT ELECTION NOT THE FUTURE OF THIS COUNTRY

      marius.j.rensburg.3 - 2012-09-07 15:05

      PROBLEM 5=="Though I am in PUBLIC SERVICE, I only look after myself and not the people I am supposed to serve." - A very basic ANC problem...

  • maree.cassie - 2012-09-07 14:18

    anybody wanna take a bet that he is our next president?

  • katleho.mdlalose - 2012-09-07 14:23

    Well said Mr Future President. Marikana is evidence of a deep problem in our society that ppl are ignoring. We need to apply our minds and avoid a situation like this happening again in future.

      customdesign - 2012-09-07 14:38

      Haha Mihai, legened

      jack.trend.3 - 2012-09-07 14:57

      Behave within the boundaries of the law, don't attack the police, simple.

      katleho.mdlalose - 2012-09-07 15:06

      NEWS24, i thought u were the future, maybe not so much anymore. Come, quickly delete this comment before anyone else sees it.

      deon.louw.7505 - 2012-09-07 15:10

      We just need to follow labour laws: 7 days away from work, call a disciplinary hearing and fire them. In SA we have enough unemployed people that want to work, even if they are from Zim, let them work.

      marius.j.rensburg.3 - 2012-09-07 15:32

      Katleho = Just don't storm the police with guns and pangas - that's a good start, don't you think? Quite simple really, so I don't see what we need to "apply our minds too".... Let's "apply our minds to" the serious lack of common sense in this country. *sigh*

      katleho.mdlalose - 2012-09-07 15:44

      @Mannie, i dnt think the Motlanthe is talking about the violence. The real issue is WHY those mineworkers were protesting in the first place. I dnt even think we disagree tht the protest and subsequent events could hav been handled better by all parties, but thts not the issue im concerned about. Its the elephant in the room we pretending not to see.

      Thanduxolo Galada - 2012-09-07 17:15

      Mihai you've made my weekend!! #in tears! Kwaaaaaaaaaaa

  • osmaseko - 2012-09-07 14:23

    Sure, lets think about how the people of South Africa have become modern slaves. Lets think about how best can the people of S.A benefit from the mineral resources we have..Lets think if Nationalization will be the solution to this problem. Lets think if the unions are still relevant in this society....Lets think which leader has the guts of taking decisions that benefit the people without threatening investors....Lets think of ways to get rid of poverty and illeterecy...what do you think Mr Deputy President?

  • kala.bafazi - 2012-09-07 14:28

    The problem is that the anc and co. are so busy lining their own pockets that they have largely forgotten about the people of this country. Marikana is not an isolated incident. Theses violent protests are flaring up all the time with very little reaction from the ruling party. It is time to stop thinking and time to start doing!!!! Otherwise I can guarantee that this is going to get a whole lot worse.

  • joahan.smal - 2012-09-07 14:29

    I've read the first two paragraphs and then I thougt that the blatant theft of taxpayer's money should stop and then we can alleviate poverty.

      gail.hayesbean - 2012-09-07 22:36

      Again, this is very simplistic. How many politicians are there and how much do they earn from taxpayers money with perks and kickbacks? If we reduced those salaries and perks and kickbacks and distributed it to the poor how much and for how long would it make a difference to the poor? Would our already malfunctioing Civil servants be more or less motivated to improve their service delivery. Politicians and lawyers generally get a lot of bad press which is not necessarily deserved and they have to suck up a lot of stress and criticism. They need some incentive to stand up there and take the flak publically. I'm not excusing corruption and bribery and greed but 18 years is NOT a long time for people who in many cases lack advantage of past experience in running a country as diverse as ours while trying to appease the multicultural society the majority of whom have been led to believe that their lives would change overnight and no political party could do that given our historical demographics even if all the whites were driven into the sea and killed. Sure you an turn to the Orient and welcome them - but look at the mining disasters they have regularly and how they deal with free speech - they won't ask questions in a Marikane situation, they will bring out the realammo and mow you down. They need employment for their poor who will be grateful to replace the fallen strikers of African descent. Charity is a fine word and value but it belongs in a museum. China doesnt do charity.

  • mark.haupt.31 - 2012-09-07 14:30

    Nope, wrong again comrade. It should make you think.

  • dieter.muller.942145 - 2012-09-07 14:35

    a white women raped and her head cut off by with a knife - no reporting of this on news24 ... yet he there is 10 stories a day of the marikana k&k .... f news24 and woolies!

  • shelley.vorster.9 - 2012-09-07 14:37

    dont know what i could possibly have been thinking, but i was so hoping we would have a day without the marikana saga in the news, ahh well no-one said we cant dream

  • christina.setloboko - 2012-09-07 14:40

    well what about the violent crimes experienced by the citizen of this country everyday and the justice system that does nothing about it, there are many things to think about that goes wrong in this country., yet nothing is done about it, only talks and talks and more talks, we have to pray everyday for our safety, many don't trust the law any more, eish!! forgot there is no law in this country!!

  • tony.naidoo - 2012-09-07 14:41

    THINK! How many South Africans can really think - rationally, well-intentioned and with a sense of Ubuntu? Not too many! If the majority of us could think, do you reckon we would have voted in thieves, racketeers, tenderpreneurs and looters? Look where its got us! Forward, viva, aluta ..,to what. We are stuck in a rut! The day Safricans start to think - will spell the beginning of the end of our battle with cANCer. Then only will healing take place. Then only will the man on the street get a fair deal. Time to THINK!

  • Billy - 2012-09-07 14:46

    these people are completely out of touch with what is going on in the country. they fly from one place to another in jet or wannabe important, citizen killing, blue light brigades. create laws and minipulate people to further themselves, their own families and friends. they do not live in the same country as we do, they convene with one another in the silver lining above the clouds, if something bad happens they throw the public a few words. this should not have happened in the first place. the problem is you are never thinking in the first place, you are always reactive. they do things wrong, wrong for the public, because that way it suites their pocket. you dont start building a house from the roof down...

  • peter.norma - 2012-09-07 14:50

    What utter rubbish and a typical African solution, blame everyone and everything except themselves for their problems. The Marikana problem was crystal clear: If you want to behave like savages, kill people and threaten the law enforcement authorities with deadly weapons, you must expect to be shot - end of story!!

  • dewalds3 - 2012-09-07 14:52

    "The tragedy at Marikana should make us all reflect on how we confront poverty and inequality through our respective institutions and organisations," he said. "It also challenges us to recommit ourselves to more effective social dialogue at national and regional levels. We should strive to find a common vision to take us forward." Words, words, words... When we were in the 'verkrampte' era, the principal just said - 'buk vir ses' - in all his 'verkramptheid' and all his political and social incorrectness, the principal was talking a language that a naughty teenager understood, and he was getting some fantastic results!. Pleas stop all the clever mumbo jumbo and do something that will get results!

  • mkhindana.peter - 2012-09-07 14:53

    Atleast Motlanthe is always touching bases on things that affect us and things that affect our communities..Unlike Zuma who is always spending time in the bedroom than in the boardroom.

      Billy - 2012-09-07 14:59

      they are just words, dont get fooled because you agree with the words. we lack action from government, correct educated action, this is the problem.

      juan.prinsloo.750 - 2012-09-07 19:26

      Hahahaha good observation. That's why he is called showerhead

  • J.Stephen.Whiteley - 2012-09-07 15:02

    I don't know what Motlanthe's views are, but I would hope he recognises (1) some enterprises deserve more encouragement than others, through tax incentives (2) blue collar workers are underrated as against white collar, because we are natural snobs (3) government knows nothing of business life, but knows, or should know about human rights, and must acknowledge their definition in the Constitution

  • aphiwe.mayola - 2012-09-07 15:10

    With all due respect Mr deputy I think you've done more than enough 'thinking' n conferencing n so forth or perhaps the ppl who were supposed 2 think up n implement proper solutions to these woes were just non-thinkers. Its now time to act! (Non-violent). time to get things done and help the country as this is simply not acceptable. Shape up! Stop 'over-thinking' it - lol.

  • nicolas.gombert.16 - 2012-09-07 15:12

    When all those farmers were murdered, you were quiet, now Marikana happens and everybody suddenly has a Damascus moment. Time to start thinking where your food is going to come from!

  • king.koffi.9 - 2012-09-07 15:17

    What to think about?people lost their lives because lonmin and num excludes other peoples representatives!waste of time to think,everyone saw on tv.

  • michael.gibson.3720190 - 2012-09-07 15:31

    I agree. Due something about inequality an poverty! Make the minimum wage R12,500.00 a month as they are demanding! When that happens, I will become a miner..

  • Mike - 2012-09-07 15:31

    The first thing that you must do Mr Motlanthe is to convince your ANC comrades to stop stealing the tax payers money so that the poor can be educated and uplifted. Everything else is just cheap talk and lacks credibility. You definitely do not have to a rocket scientist to comprehend this, but somehow it seems to be beyond you and colleagues.

  • mandla.ngubane - 2012-09-07 15:41

    Wth due respect mr. Deputy President in a situation of dis kind we need leadership dat act nd take decisions

      Thanduxolo Galada - 2012-09-07 17:06

      I agree with you sir! He says "we need a common vision to move us forward" kanti what is the National Development Plan??? There so many of such visions but goes back to your point. I'm afraid that Motlhante becomes academic! Have you ever understood Zuma speeches? Compared to President Barack Obama

  • nkosinathi.g.malindi - 2012-09-07 15:47

    Think, think and think.. Ja, think because you were lazy to think and just voted racketeers, money launders, criminals....

  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-09-07 17:26

    Seems some people cant wait for the whites to leave. After we go and take our skills and close our business's and money, what are they going to do. Education will be worse off than now, There is going to be even more unemployment than now. There wont be white people collecting blankets and food to take to the townships and toys for the children at christmas. Their black brothers are not very charitable. So next time maybe they should use their pea brain and picture themselves in chaos. They actually make me sick, they like our money like our charity but dont realize this country is as much ours as theirs.

  • john.s.stalwart - 2012-09-07 19:09

    I thought leadership is a matter of spending time in thoughts and so become a think tank and a thought leader,it clearly shows the depth of the minds of the people whom South Africans elected to be their leaders,1stly the president denied at a busines news briefing that South Africa is faced with a malady,not four months from that we hear and witnes a high profile massacre at Lonmin's business premises and now we are called upon to think. Why is our intellectual imput of no necessity when the casserole train runs smoothly,why are we remembered at a derailment which is sure to leave some 'top notch' baffoons'pockets suprised for no cash inputs,we refuse to think,let the president of the Republic and his cohorts think for themselves as to the ineptocratic style of leadership they have introduced here in Mzansi or if they are unable then they should enrol at the Thabo Mbeki's institute for thought leaders and good luck to the old learnerz...

  • john.s.stalwart - 2012-09-07 19:10

    I thought leadership is a matter of spending time in thoughts and so become a think tank and a thought leader,it clearly shows the depth of the minds of the people whom South Africans elected to be their leaders,1stly the president denied at a busines news briefing that South Africa is faced with a malady,not four months from that we hear and witnes a high profile massacre at Lonmin's business premises and now we are called upon to think. Why is our intellectual imput of no necessity when the casserole train runs smoothly,why are we remembered at a derailment which is sure to leave some 'top notch' baffoons'pockets suprised for no cash inputs,we refuse to think,let the president of the Republic and his cohorts think for themselves as to the ineptocratic style of leadership they have introduced here in Mzansi or if they are unable then they should enrol at the Thabo Mbeki's institute for thought leaders and good luck to the old learnerz...

  • phuti.hlabane - 2012-09-07 20:59

    Y do we hav to b apologetic to white folks,I'm not the kind like those who r faking English accent pretending to b fluent in foreign moras.Blacks r stupid kissing whites ass.

  • blip.noodlum - 2012-09-08 04:46

    So, Motlanthe, are you tacitly admitting that you and your cadres and comrades were NOT thinking before the Marikana massacre? Shame on you, sir! Shame!

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-09-08 12:57

    Geez, if we need a tradegy to make us think, we are doomed.

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