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Maties apologise for 1939 racist attacks

2012-08-31 08:12

Cape Town - Students at Dagbreek residence in Stellenbosch have apologised for past transgressions against black and coloured people in the surrounding community.

The unusual apology was prompted by information that students from the same residence back in 1939 had attacked black and coloured people in their homes and had afterwards refused to hand in weapons to authorities, reported the Mail&Guardian.

The students said they took responsibility for events of the past and the res’s involvement and wanted to apologise “for our disobedience and lovelessness that lead to our actions”.

“No healing and no restoration will happen if we don’t seek forgiveness and apologise for apartheid,” said current head student Pieter Nel, 22.

Former apartheid leaders Hendrik Verwoerd and John Vorster were both students living at Dagbreek.

Nel said he believed an apology had the power to affect a nation and “bring forth redemption and restoration in relationships between races”.

Comments
  • wynlib - 2012-08-31 08:31

    I am confused. Why do we or anyone need to apologise for things not done by us? I can't recall that any of the barbarian tribes or advanced nations apologised for what happened to my forefathers eons ago. I am sure that we all agree that Apartheid and its associated atrocities were absolutely evil. But what are these students really trying to achieve? They weren’t even alive when it happened!!!!!!!!! Stop feeling guilty over that which you had no control over, and rather focus on your studies. Heal the country by becoming educated and contributing towards the economy!!!

      hannesenbrianda - 2012-08-31 09:49

      Trying to avoid doing anything of real value... like most students do.

      stirrer.stirrer - 2012-08-31 10:28

      Love means never having to say you're sorry.

      wynlib - 2012-08-31 10:31

      @omonaija - I am honestly more than willing to listen to why you think I won't understand. I am open to have my opinions changed - we need conversation in order to better understand.

      fredd.viljoen - 2012-09-01 02:03

      I also want to use this opportunity to profoundly appologize on behalf of my parents that they did not bring me up in wealth, that they had me suffer to make a living. I want to appologize on behalf of my teachers and university Profs that they did not manage to make me an A+ student. I want to appologize....how absurd do we want to get?

      doug.norris.581 - 2012-09-01 10:15

      Come on people, cut this guy some slack. He is acknowledging wrongs of the past, and accepting some responsibility on behalf of those who came before him. Please, just chill out. If you don't want to be part of what he is trying to do, just ignore it.

      dagbreek.hvrf - 2012-09-01 14:52

      I' currently in Dabgreek and I never voted on this issue. It was our old primarius (Pieter Nel) that has now gone behind our backs and made this decision with the 3 guys in the photo. He has let us all down, not to say sorry but the fact that he did not followed the correct guidelines to notify the rest of the residents(400) of his knowledge on the matter. It is a blatant lie to say Dagbreek apologises , it's just not true, even if it was given as such to the press.

      andreas.meyer.12327 - 2012-09-02 17:16

      Wynlib, you already fell in the trap of "blaming Apartheid". I really have to see a reasonable statement on what is wrong with separate development. And actually in this case the 1939 riots were triggered by rapes and sexual harassment of White students at Stellenbosch.

  • fdalana - 2012-08-31 08:33

    well done guys, now lets move on and focus on ending the current political inferno.

      kolobe.mzansi.9 - 2012-09-01 10:50

      southe africa needs reverse apartheid so everyone understands the dynamics

      morne.hennings.5 - 2012-09-01 14:19

      @kolobe- it's already in full swing...don't you ever watch or read any news? I know there are many people of all races that want to move forward but then there are the kolobe's and kie that only want revenge which sadly leads to misery and sadness. Keep it up, you are well on your way of destroying this country...but then again, maybe it is what you desire most. Lost cause you bunch....

  • johandebeer - 2012-08-31 08:38

    Oh, come on! How do you apologize for something that some complete strangers did 80 years ago? To whom did they apologize? If these students really take full responsibility for these criminal actions then lock them up. Look for attention at home please.

      willemdaniel.venter - 2012-08-31 09:00

      Blip, soos altyd, praat jy stront.

      kim.ashby.524 - 2012-08-31 09:59

      @Blip Maybe you should do yourself the favour of a google search on where apartheid started. I'll make it easy for you. It started under British rule! Verwoerd only gave it a name and carried on with what was already in place...

      stirrer.stirrer - 2012-08-31 10:27

      Correct. The pass book system was started in the late 1800's by the Brits.

      amelia.basson - 2012-08-31 10:56

      I agree Kim! The british looked down on boer afrikaner people calling them backward & primitive. They deemed boers to be inferior because of their broken english & boer accent. They planted the seeds of apartheid by putting our blacks in worse and separate concentration camps. Unfortunately 28000 boer people died in those concentration camps. However, the Afrikaner people successfully rebuilt their lives, their farms & South Africa until they had to succumb to majority rule.

      neville.chamberlain.509 - 2012-08-31 11:34

      Blippie getting his @ss handed to him on the Nuus24, comes and look for attention on the English section - finds that his is still an idiot here as well This from the same guy that claims CJ Rhodes was a self-made man (historical proof to the contrary ignored) and the Paul Kruger (and the Boers) were the aggressors during ABO (historical fact to the contrary ignored as well) God help us from white Libtards and LWB.

      doug.norris.581 - 2012-09-01 11:41

      Nice one kim.ashby.524. Some Pakistanis also blame the British for their current problems. This is not a unique idea. It's just amazing how few people there are around that admit that they supported apartheid and /or benefited from belonging to a privileged class.

      claudine.b.shiels - 2012-09-02 11:39

      @amelia.basson: I have to comment: Firstly, if you consider it so wrong of the British to "look down on" Boer Afrikaner people, "calling them backward & primitive," why did Afrikaner people do exactly the same thing to Black people? Afrikaners have really been amongst the world's best when it comes to suppressing a race/nation. In fact, sadly, it is what the Afrikaner is known for, internationally. So, if the British committed this outrageous atrocity of adopting superiority over the Afrikaner, why did the Afrikaner perpetuate it and take it to another level? Secondly, you actually reveal quite a lot about your attitude towards other races in your comment "our Blacks." How would you like Black people to refer to you as "our Boers, or our Afrikaners?" You/we, white people, do not own Black people. Every person, regardless of race, colour, tribe, nation, culture, religion, language, is an individual, sovereign human being, with no one having the right to oppress another, especially because of skin colour. Thirdly, how can you seriously speak about the Afrikaner people "rebuilding their lives, their farms and South Africa" as if to imply that they did it themselves. You exclude English-speaking people, then you completely ignore the fact that this country was built, not just by using cheap labour provided by the people of the oppressed majority, but at their expense. Afrikaner people couldn't even raise their families without Black maids and nannies.

      claudine.b.shiels - 2012-09-02 11:54

      @kim.ashby: What on earth difference does it make who started Apartheid? As you admit, Verwoerd 'gave it a name and carried it on....' So because someone gets a really bad idea from somewhere/someone else, does that make them less guilty? Your argument makes absolutely no sense. If I see a group of people beating someone up, and I join in, delivering some kicks and blows that kill the person.....Am I less guilty because I didn't start it??? Nonsense! If the British started Apartheid, as you claim, the people ruling this country after them, mostly white Afrikaners, had every opportunity to put an end to such atrocity and move on in justice, democracy, fairness. Now let, me ask you this....how can anyone take issue with this Black government being racist, oppressive, discriminatory? Aren't they just doing what the Afrikaner did? But, you excuse the Afrikaner because they were doing what 'the British started.' So, why can't this government carry on with British/Afrikaner racism? Your own argument works against you.

  • hendrikvs - 2012-08-31 08:40

    Are they looking for attention? Move on dudes and rather make a difference to the current and future!

  • blip.noodlum - 2012-08-31 08:40

    Well done, Dagbreek men!

      dronkie.donkie.1 - 2012-08-31 09:05

      Blippie, no need for them to apologise, they were not responsible. If they condemned the deeds, well that is something different

      turdy.mclaw - 2012-08-31 09:19

      @blip: Stuff their apologies up your a,ss idiot! Shame the white man was so nasty to me.poor little blip still crying himself to sleep every night.he can't accomplish anything because he is inferior in cognition. You are pathetic and white guilt even more so!

      stirrer.stirrer - 2012-08-31 10:28

      Love means never having to say you're sorry.

      deon.jansevanrensburg.58 - 2012-08-31 11:27

      Blippie is the mother of all white Libtards - he makes normal libtards seem positively genial. I always thougt he hated only Afrikaners but it now seems that the dear professor, just like Neville Alexander and Breyten Breytenbach, he hates whites as a race. Must be cr@p to be him

      carl.lutzer.3 - 2012-09-01 12:31

      Objection !! plse do not call wimps like Nel men.....

  • deon.fourie - 2012-08-31 08:42

    1939, are you f***ing kidding me?!?! What does this two or three generation old "apology" even remotely accomplish? Maybe those Cape Town Hipsters should stick to collecting old bicycles and scarves. Digging up old political cows just doesn't fit your outfit.

      deon.fourie - 2012-08-31 08:54

      ...and die I will. Just be patient.

      andrew.surtees1 - 2012-08-31 08:56

      oh sisanda your answer is pathetic, how can you say a person deserves to die? i hope you get run over by a car because you said that!

  • theo.schoeman.71 - 2012-08-31 08:43

    Pathetic !

  • turdy.mclaw - 2012-08-31 08:46

    I respect their decision to apologize and I believe it was sincere,but... the youth of today should not apologize for something they had no hand in.White youth are also citizens of the modern south Africa and they should not harbour guilt of the past.Should a Zulu youth of today apologize for their history of dominance over other African tribes? or should a German youth feel guilt for atrocities of ww2 concentration camps? I think not. I agree 100% with them condemning those past events,but feeling guilty for something their grandparents' generation did is ridiculous.

  • bfvillet - 2012-08-31 08:47

    A great example from the youth of SA this is how we as a country will move forward.I salute you and extend my hand in unity as we forge a new nation.I hope that your example will spread throughout the nation and that we will come together as a people using our past to unite rather than divide.

      hannesenbrianda - 2012-08-31 09:57

      "A great example from the youth of SA this is how we as a country will move forward", No to the contrary it is a great example from the youth of SA on how this country will stay stuck in its past!

  • Eldon.Swart - 2012-08-31 08:48

    Wow, to still feel offended 73 years down the line...

  • errol.wagner - 2012-08-31 08:49

    This is really nothing but sanctimonious, hypocritical dribble. You can't apologise for something others did. It is past and those who perpetrated these actions are dead and it they are not, then they should speak out. What you can do is to ensure that it never happens again, you can't take responsibility for the actions of others but you can take responsibility for your present actions.

  • mathibela.mamabolo - 2012-08-31 08:55

    The Jewish got an apology and compensation..So those who where subjected to these atrocities should be compensated..

      wehan.victor - 2012-08-31 08:56

      Did you read the 1939 part? How many victims do you think are still alive?

      dewalds3 - 2012-08-31 09:05

      How much do you think we should pay out per i) hijacking ii) house-burglary iii) farm murder iv) rape?

      turdy.mclaw - 2012-08-31 09:36

      @mathibela:You committed more atrocities among your black tribes than apartheid ever did.Shaka cut open pregnant within for his own curiosity.mfecane(The crushing,scattering).Winnie mandela necklacing people left,right and centre.If white youth should be held responsible for their forefathers mistakes, according to your logic(which fascinates me somewhat), then I'd better get out of this craphole you call msanzi.

      hannesenbrianda - 2012-08-31 10:01

      I have no problem if those that offended compensate those that suffered directly, however you have to proof your individual case in a court of law. Do not use a blanket compensation so that those that did not offend compensate those that did not suffer. That is stupid.

      errol.wagner - 2012-09-01 10:10

      It always comes down to money does it not?

      carl.lutzer.3 - 2012-09-01 12:32

      mathibela pap something - here's 3 braincells for you , happy ?

  • tina.leal.353 - 2012-08-31 08:58

    I agree....Dont apologise for something you didnt do. Or werent even born when it happened. Like they say, "there is nothing new in the sun, and in the shadows, South Africa Burns."

  • Leon Williams - 2012-08-31 08:59

    I salute my white brothers and sistas.let love,peace,forgivness,respect rule our hearts not anger,revenge,hate speech,division bring us down.we have come along way.our leaders cnt do it they fail us everyday and we fight each other.lets do it for our children.they the ones who will suffer.one day we will be known as forefathers and what we have done.

  • john.loxton.77 - 2012-08-31 09:01

    If they tke responsibility for these actions lock them up for assault! Idiots

      jpstrauss - 2012-09-03 15:25

      Good point!

  • handy.andy.773 - 2012-08-31 09:06

    @rofras.rassie What are you going to do with it? Slaugher the live stock, use the trees for firewood and then realize that you have to pay property tax at which stage you will be bankcrupt and have ruined another productive farm. "our land" please... middle ages mentality.

  • bradley.pandy - 2012-08-31 09:07

    Apologising for some one else's choices and actions! How more co-dependent can you get?????

  • hermann.hanekom - 2012-08-31 09:08

    Yawn.

  • manningi1 - 2012-08-31 09:09

    I forgive Julius Ceasar for invading Gaul and changing the course of history.

  • amelio.meyer - 2012-08-31 09:15

    So much anger and hatred in these comments. It's a symbolic gesture that promotes diplomacy. Right or wrong, it has been done, no one will be hurt by it. If you take offense by their action, that's your issue.

      bradley.pandy - 2012-08-31 09:57

      The issue with this is not the apology. The issue is that this kind of thing keeps the apartheid identity alive and well. So it will continue to cause harm. If these kids have to apologise then the day will come when your and my kids are going to feel that they have to apologise - where does it end? I have friends who were directly effected by apartheid. They don't ask for apologises. They rather create their own opportunities, as that is what they can do in the present. They cannot do anything about the past.

  • marita.pienaar - 2012-08-31 09:16

    Oh my - boo hoo! Maybe it's time for Adam and Eve to apologize for eating the apple that caused all the sh%t in the world. 20 years and we are still whining about the past! Can't we ALL decide to make the best of the next 20 years ??????? or are we going to keep whining for ever. AND NO I am not RICH - I'm old with hardly any money but I refuse to whine or apologize or whatever. Life goes on!!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-08-31 10:11

      Oh gosh, don't bring those fairytale stories into this.

  • ndyeboreginaldmazawule - 2012-08-31 09:17

    Yawn. Needed a spotlight

  • bomb.technician.5 - 2012-08-31 09:18

    Have any Zulus yet apologised for the murder of Piet Retief and his party of 100 people that included coloured servants?? I dont think so, sowhat a pathetic effort by these youngsters.

  • Johnny - 2012-08-31 09:18

    Ag please man. Whats wrong with these people. Afraid ???

  • lerato.motshana - 2012-08-31 09:19

    I read news24 articles but i know each and everyone of them, even if it's about cars or animals,the comments will be racist, South Africans please, this fight and lashing about colour is very old now and is not interesting at all. You must all get a life.

      gavin.lott.9 - 2012-08-31 09:31

      Agree!

      digger.dighead - 2012-09-01 05:57

      Totally agree, if only that could happen.

  • eyesears.handsfeet - 2012-08-31 09:20

    The land and wealth in question does not belong to ANYONE on earth, but to the one who put it here. Many would like to believe that a piece of material gain will make them richer. AI! The poor youth are really so confused that they really don't know where to start and where to end, but they want to rule. AI! Question: To whom would the land have "belonged" if all the continents were still together and not broken apart? Honestly! Who are you trying to fool? Chasing a dream of wealth and riches which does not belong to anyone in the first place. Who does the whole earth belong to? Who does the see belong to? Humans?

  • David - 2012-08-31 09:31

    Well we all know what will happen now if any more black on white attacks or murders take place in the Cape Town area...

  • peter.jefferies.90 - 2012-08-31 09:51

    Is this a Joke?????? Are these students just trying to make the papers or something??

  • stefan.kruger.1297 - 2012-08-31 09:55

    Exactly what black people want to see... for young generations to say sorry for something they DINT DO!!!! I'm sorry black people for everything I didn't do to you, everything you blame me for everyday that I had no say in... ARE YOU HAPPY NOW??

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-08-31 13:21

      And you are stupid

      stefan.kruger.1297 - 2012-08-31 13:25

      hahahahaha!!

      doug.norris.581 - 2012-09-01 12:07

      Nice wildlife pics Sam. Taken in Namibia?

  • frans.delport - 2012-08-31 10:22

    Pathetic students! Now go ask the proffies at Stalinbosch to apologize to our whities for the concentration camp saga.Bloody British trash.

  • Kykweer - 2012-08-31 10:44

    Nothing for government to use here to brainwash people... So it'll mean nothing and fade away by monday.\r\n\r\nNice gesture though

  • rian.dejager.3 - 2012-08-31 10:48

    Thank you News 24 Twats for removing our comments... especially if it didn't qualify for removal under your Comments Policy...

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-08-31 11:19

      Yeah they don't care. They are just morons. I don't know how many posts of mine have been deleted. I understand them deleting the ones where i "swear" in, but most of the time its just a normal comment, and it gets deleted. Sometimes i think they delete the comments they don't agree with.

  • omrisho.za - 2012-08-31 12:51

    actions speak louder than words

  • lexPHILIA - 2012-08-31 13:29

    Well, what these guys did is pointless. Apologising for the sins of the father, in particular for something seemingly trivial should have not have gotten such attention.

      mmredlana - 2012-08-31 15:21

      Wow! Goosebumps :-)

  • bunna.booyens - 2012-08-31 14:18

    Making a big deal out of nothing. The reaction of people reading and commenting on this issue, causes way more damage than an apology by Dagbreek. Think about it....

  • Muffin_man_can - 2012-09-01 00:10

    Pieter Nel you should not comment about subjects you know nothing of! You didn't live in Apartheid..

  • leonard.w.gray - 2012-09-01 00:25

    They just trying to sweep their disgusting past under the carpet. This university was the most racist educational system in the country and they thought people would forget about it. Verwoerd and Voster?? attacking coloureds and blacks in the surrounding areas in their homes?? true evil. I wonder if some of those elements are still prominent in this institution?

  • mant.maseko - 2012-09-01 06:45

    I just can't understand all of these 175 comments,the residence is trying to restore the relationship with surrounding communities. Now all of you drag this to cape town politics. I welcome the apology cz peace is the reason SA reached political stability.

      doug.norris.581 - 2012-09-01 10:28

      Agree with you Mant. All this ranting and raving about a student who feels moved to make an apology on behalf of those involved in past wrongs. I wasn't sure why this country is falling apart, but now I'm a little more confident that I know. Watch the masses reach for the TD buttons! That will tell us something.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-02 08:49

      Die Boeremag supporters on news24 are obviously not happy with any efforts to build peace among the different racial groups. There is nothing surprising there

  • carl.lutzer.3 - 2012-09-01 12:29

    Boetie , go play with your draadkar till you old enough to understand big peoples stuff - off you go.....

  • wilhelm.snyman.1 - 2012-09-01 12:53

    Yes, the Romans haven't apologised yet for invading Britain...and it seems unlikely. But an acknowledgement of past wrongs does serve some purpose. The Japanese haven't come clean on the atrocities (The Rape of Nanjing being one) that they committed during World War II, while the Germans haven't stopped apologising for the deeds of their grandparents and great grandparents. And let's remember apartheid was what it was, it was not mass slaughter, it was cruel and vindictive and authoritarian and has done enormous damage and traumatised SA (as Jan Smuts said it would, back in 1947 when he warned the Nats not to introduce it)but there are many things that apartheid was not. Which was worse, for example, East Germany, Stalin's Sviet Union or apartheid SA...?

      rocky.bell.927 - 2012-09-01 14:31

      Yes and David hasn't apologised to Goliath for killing him. Chuck me Farlie ....... only in Efrika, only in Efrika. When are we going to grow up. Said it before (for better or for worse) "Apologies" were established on 17 March 1992. If this is not acceptable then FU big time!

  • dagbreek.hvrf - 2012-09-01 14:49

    I' currently in Dabgreek and I never voted on this issue. It was our old primarius (Pieter Nel) that has now gone behind our backs and made this decision with the 3 guys in the photo. He has let us all down, not to say sorry but the fact that he did not followed the correct guidelines to notify the rest of the residents(400) of his knowledge on the matter. It is a blatant lie to say Dagbreek apologises , it's just not true, even if it was given as such to the press.

  • pisciotta - 2012-09-01 21:53

    No need to apologize after what the Blacks have done with SA. They should apologize to the world for having wasted their opportunity. The world should realize they demanded freedom and self-government be given to a a people not ready to be taken seriously. Democracy does not need the embarrisment that is South Africa. To much too soon for the simple minded.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-02 08:44

      Considering that there are whites (Rob Davies, Mary Metcalfe, Derek Hanekom, Johnny de Lange, Andries Nel, Kortbroek, etc) Indians (Pravin Gordhan, Ebrahim Patel, Fatima Chohan, etc) and Coloureds (Trevor Manuel, Marius Fransman, Tina Joemat Petersen) who are all high ranking members and policy makers of the ruling party, I cannot help but conclude that this country is being run to the ground by blacks, whites, indians and coloureds alike, and you Mister, are thinking through your backside

  • pisciotta - 2012-09-01 21:55

    Planet of the Apes.

  • boitumelo.moleleki - 2012-09-01 22:33

    Well,if we're getting all mushy and apolopising for things that had absolutely nothing to do with us,heres mine:I apologise for the families everyone my grandfather killed when he was a soldier,even if I never knew him personally.Oh,and I also apologise for any students my mom punished in any of her classes.My humblest apologies for the soreness of their young behinds!

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-02 08:52

      If your grandfather killed his own people in defence of apartheid ~ a crime against humanity ~ and your mother exceeded the powers she had to discipline pupils and ended up assaulting and therefore abusing them instead, your apology is the right thing to do

  • werner.pretorius.12 - 2012-09-01 22:33

    Aandagsoekers

  • donald.perumal - 2013-01-19 13:34

    Hi All A great start to "healing the nation" .To the students at Dagbreek ,may the morning sun bring new hope and peace.I would like to challenge you to come up with a student inspired charity to support the communities that suffered.Something like "Stellfam" ,the family of Dagbreek that will make up for the past!Best of luck.

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