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Mayor: We don't hate Afrikaners

2012-03-28 07:26

Pretoria - Afrikaners are not hated and their heroes are not being targeted in the process to change street names in Pretoria, the city's mayor has said.

Beeld reported on Wednesday that Kgosientso Ramokgopa used his state of the city speech on Tuesday to say it was a misperception that Afrikaans names were being targeted.

"Afrikaners are not hated or the object of contempt, but it is a fact that all the streets in the city are named after Afrikaners.

"It will never be argued that Afrikaners did not play a role, but the city must represent everyone's past."

A decision on Pretoria's name had not been taken yet, he said.

"All options remain on the table."

Ramokgopa said the decision "technically" rested with Arts and Culture Minister Paul Mashatile, and the Tshwane metro council wanted to meet with him to discuss the matter.

According to Ramokgopa it was a public process in which the ANC's opinion would carry a great deal of weight.

It was expected that 27 new street names would be discussed and approved during a council meeting on Thursday, Beeld reported.

Comments
  • bluzulu - 2012-03-28 07:29

    Well said Mr.Ramokgopa

      Jack - 2012-03-28 09:42

      hahaha I will never be born in some bush name like TSHWANE, even if they changed it I would never use that name, Pretoria is the name and I don't care how many street names they change but the city name should stay.

      richard.fahrenfort - 2012-03-28 10:50

      Do you really think that the hungry, homeless, broke and uneducated give a damn about the name of the street corner they are begging on?! " ...the city must represent everyone's past" Mr Ramokgopa says. I'd rather my mayor was focussing on the present and the future of my city. Renaming existing street names should not be an issue at all. It shouldn't even be on any agenda. How about using that time, effort and money on building a huge state of the art hospital and library or sports development center and schools with desks and books and internet and dedicated, inspiring and competent teachers or a large RDP housing development in or near a few townships and name THOSE after the struggle heroes? Their legacy would be honoured even more this way, surely, than by having their names on a few road signs here and there.

      David - 2012-03-28 10:58

      @ Bluzulu: If people "really" need "local" names to find their Identity"back"! Then even the name of AFRICA should be changed! Because it comes from the Latin language (Roman Empire...bouhouhou...Europe! Ho NO!! Whites again!!). It was the name given to a warm and rainy wind coming from the South (Carthage) into the Roman Empire (Campania)! AFRICUS was it's name! So the ANC and the Mayor of Pretoria should organise a Pan-African conference to ask to change the name of the continent, in order to have something more local.....

      Spyker - 2012-03-28 11:05

      I agree - change the names of the streets. The run-down derelict third-world dump that was the once world-city of Pretoria, has nothing to do with the proud Afrikaner names- and/or -legacies, still appearing on certain streets. The stone-age dump should carry the names of those who turned SA from a world-leading first-world country into a fetid wasteland. I am sure those Afrikaners whose names and legacies, were honoured with the relevant street-names, would be absolutely disgusted that it presided over a primitive feral jungle...

      Francois - 2012-03-28 11:16

      David, can you please site a reference. The name of Africa was added to Scipio, who defeated Carthage, in the Carthanian war whereby Hannibal of Carthage was defeated, after the latter besieged Rome for a number of years. Thus there may be a mix up in our information, thus will you please help with a reference? Then onto the name changes: How about the depoliticing of all names - ie maybe Pretoria should name all the streets after something else than a person. Kerkstraat must stay for everyone - firstly it was the scene of a great struggle victory where scores of cadres of MK defeated the former SADF, by blowing up a lot of innocent women and children and it is a place where the atrocities of the MK can also be remembered. It should be a place of reconciliation - with photos of the MK war heroes and the victims as well.

      David - 2012-03-28 11:27

      @ François: Michèle Fruyt, Revue de Philologie 50, 1976: 221-238

      Young - 2012-03-28 14:58

      The Name Africa is of African Origins from the Egyptian Word "Afru-ika" or 'Motherland."

      David - 2012-03-28 16:00

      @ Young: Hi there, I would like a link or a book title (with references) stating what you're saying. Please do not make a confusion between Tunisia and Egypt... it's pretty sad from someone who live in Africa and who pretends to be African ;-)

      bluzulu - 2012-03-28 17:07

      @ David, Young is correct, The answers below refer to Phoenician, Greek and Roman sources on the subject. From earliest Egyptian sources, officially dated at circa 2500 BC, Kh-afre, fourth king of the 4th dynasty reveals that an early Egyptian king had the name "Africa". That is because modern Egyptologists and others often mix the order of the hieroglyphs that the ancients wrote. Thus Kh-Afre is Afre-Kh or Africa. Educate yourself on the full story at.......http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_did_Africa_get_its_name

      David - 2012-03-28 17:56

      @ Bluzulu: Hi, and thanks for your amusing link ;-) Ok so you're one of these guys who believe everything they read on the web. Please look at your source, be curious: 1. No referal to a book or a study from an historian, proffessor, languist,etc.. 2. Your link is just people writing stuffs they find on wikipedia and copy past it to look smart. 3. We don't even know who the authors on this site are. 4. I really laughed when I saw that on the same link that you used as an argument, one can read this: "(THE ABOVE ANSWER FROM DJ CRAIG IS INACCURATE. THAT IS WHY IT SO SO IMPORTANT TO REALLY STUDY HISTORY)". Did you actually read the whole article that you refer to? Because I did! Thanks for sharing anyway and for giving me a good laugh ;-)

      Jessica - 2012-03-28 17:59

      @ Spyker: I agree with you. That the black represent their failures as we build a 1 world country which now banana republic. Look at Zim - everybody remember Rhodesia as prosperous country while Zim is a hell hole

      bluzulu - 2012-03-28 18:37

      2 David, I did check this with several other sites and chose to induct you with a Wikipedia explanation.

      Byron - 2012-03-28 19:07

      oh dear, the supremacists are out in "fool" force today. Don't forget to feed their egos, guys they're a fragile species with low self esteem ;j

      Boeretroos - 2012-03-28 19:12

      When you black chaps have broken down the last brick wall put up by the Boervolk, when you have torn down the last street name with Afrikaner reference, when you have destroyedthe final municipality, pocketed the last rand from public coffers, demolished all the monuments and public buildings, when the final drop of petrol is guzzeld up by your ministers wives SUV's, when the last doctor and nurse leaves for other countries and the last institution of academica is layed to waste - then we - The Afrikanervolk - willl rebuild our devastated country without your help, we will rename everything once again , tear down your plaques and monuments, and make south africa a far better place to live in when you are finally gone. So it is written - so shall it be ! Volkstaat !

      Byron - 2012-03-28 19:15

      lmao @boeretros hehehehe thanks for the laugh - i literally "cracked" myself laughing

      David - 2012-03-28 19:56

      @ Bluzulu: Thank you for confirming that you have no real references! And thank you also for this hard work you have done today by copy pasting links from unknown sites... because the link you send does not come from wikipedia as you mention, but from wikianswer.com...which has nothing to do. Good night and keep on posting on News24, you always make my days laughing! BR

      bluzulu - 2012-03-28 20:02

      Don't know David, I trust Wikipedia over you as you have not indicated any sites to corroborate your assertion that the name Africa Originated in Rome .

      Bert - 2012-03-28 20:23

      Spyker May, thank goodness I read down the comments before adding my bit. You hit the nail on the head. I am an immigrant of 30 years past. One of my favourite cities is Pretoria, especially the vibrant suburb of Sunnyside. Imagine my suprise & horror after an absence of 20 years from the City and especially this suburb, when I stayed nearby Sunnyside for a few days in November. I thought I'd landed in Central Africa. What was once a beautiful tree lined, well kept pavements, safe suburb a pleasure to wander any time of the day or night is now a jungle. Why would the Afrikaner want their hero's and world recorded hero's and leaders associated now with the germ invested filth that is now this particular suburb? Take a drive through there at night, the cacophony of noise is unbelievable. Imagine 20 years on, no don't you.ll probably jump off the top of the Voortrekker Monument. It's a wonder they have allowed this magnificent edifice to remain. They will never never come right, so don't hold your breath hoping. Some signwriter no doubt getting his back pocket loaded.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-28 20:31

      @ Bert, Nice to know we imported pessimist into RSA, Remember the GDP in 1993 was 130 US Billion mainly supporting 8 million people However taxing the entire Nation) In 1994 the GDP was 135 US Billion, now supporting the entire Nation. Now that RSA has been through the task of resetting in 2002 the GDP was 111 US Billion and in 2010 it was 363 US Billion. We have tripled our GDP in an Eight year span by diversifying our buying market ( Not due to the US ,which is hard to phathom why RSA panders to them). The corrupt and being rooted out and as our GDP indicates ,there will be more money to spend on our Infrastructure again. Just takes time, thanks for airing your negativity though. Much appreciated.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-28 20:33

      http://www.google.co.za/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=ny_gdp_mktp_cd&idim=country:ZAF&dl=en&hl=en&q=south+africa%27s+gdp

      David - 2012-03-28 21:24

      @ Bluzulu (or should I say Vinesh Naidoo from Aukland ;-)): If you just knew how to read: 1.I made a coment on this article at 10:58am stating that the name of Africa comes from the Roman Empire indeed. 2.To which a certain François asked me to give him reference(s) at 11:16am. 3.I then give him the name of the book and the author that I was refering to at 11:27am. So please my friend, read before charging anyone... it will help you not to look imcompentent and should I say with a lack of grey matter! Enjoy the rest of your day!

      Jacques - 2012-03-28 22:12

      @ Bluzulu i really appreciate you trying to comment and argue but you really making yourself sound very stupid. I am not trying to insult you but have no choice to state it. Firstly Wikipedia is not based on facts but based on an open source where people post their insights or knowledge on topics. The word Africa has several theories all backed up by more theories. There are Latin, African, Phoenician and Egyptian theories. So dont take something as wiki as fact as often it is wrong. In fact you can change that same article you read and state the word came from Apricot the fruit if you want to. Secondly you are so proud of South Africa tripling its revenue and i must always laugh when i see people like you so proud gloating in achievement. We had sanctions against us for many years. The west financed change in this this country and that is why the curtain fell. It opened the economy to much needed minerals which we had banks full off. Think about it mate the UK get 40% of their mineral wealth from South Africa. Do you really think it was the freedom fighters who brought change. Do you really believe we did so well after apartheid. If you have a sweets store and someone stole the key you would sell nothing your GDP for the store would be zip. If someone picks the key up and next week you sell R100 worth of sweets you would celebrate as if you achieved something measuring your performance against last week when you sold nothing. Shame e Bluzulu you parents must be so sad

      bluzulu - 2012-03-29 06:53

      @ Jaques, Thats the great thing about perspective, Do you have a site that corroborates your assertions?

      Martin - 2012-03-29 09:05

      @bluzulu: Here is a bit of a rude awakening. Credible references are rarely found on the internet. Most things worth referencing are found in books and academic journals. Although these can be found on the internet, you will usually have to pay for these. Information, like most things, ascribes to the maxim: "You get what you pay for". Only in certain events should you site websites as a source, and none of the topics you have been discussing validates a website as a source.

      Trotse - 2012-03-29 14:10

      @bluzulu PART 1 You mention being in a boxing ring and not being allowed to fight from which by default the other contester wins...... The Old Government that “deprived” you and enslaved you as you so strongly say proudly answer me some things: 1) What did the homelands use the annual Apartheid Budget for (+-20%) which was intended to build up your Culture so we can one day merge onto equal grounds of contribution? 2) The hospitals, Churches and schools were built for Africans but were burned down because why? 3) You say we “invaded” your land, yet weren’t the Zulus part of the largest tribal massacre (+-50 tribes) to date and were not from South Africa originally? 4) The land the “Afrikaners” took over housed about the same population as a standard Football stadium yet you would not accept us as “refugees” fleeing from the Brits, Instead they massacred us and went for our women and children, Is this not racist? 5) The Zulu king at the time(who was Shaka’s Brother who murdered Shaka Zulu) did not want anyone else to share the land , not Brits, Afrikaners, Xhosa or anything else that isn’t Zulu, is that not Racist and or Hitler like?

      Trotse - 2012-03-29 14:10

      @bluzulu PART 2 6) The Passes that were issued in the Old System was for border reasons like entering another country, In today’s world if I go to certain places in the middle east I cannot wear a cross or talk of my religion cuddle my wife in public along with many other things, why was the passes so bad if they were used for work purposes like a Travel Visa and if they were unbearably wrong why still come into the towns to start with, why not use the moneys given to your homeland chiefs (Ask the ANC) to build a competitive trading market ?? 7) You talk about Racial separation and it’s the Afrikaners fault?, So why is it that when we declared Slavery illegal, the west were still negotiating this to African Kings?, why when we request a peace treaty with Africans, they stab the Boers in the back?, Why would we have left there homes/tribal lands intact even after all our History thus far?, The old Government separated your home from mine. What you are doing is moving into my home, renaming everything and shouting racism while crippling us economically with BEE AA and other items of Policy, then murdering us at the same time. 8) When black and Afrikaners sat in the concentration camps dying of starvation as “Africans” fighting the same enemy why shortly after all fingers are pointed at us for Apartheid and racism? Seeing as Apartheid was adopted from the west??

      Trotse - 2012-03-29 14:11

      @bluzulu PART 3 9) When the Boers went to Dingane to sign a treaty to allow a football stadium quantity of people to have land to rebuild what the brits took away from us and placed apartheid on us, why did they massacre the peace treaty peoples then come after our women and children?? 10) You Think the Boers are just born racist?, this is from a string of issues starting with Bloodriver, then the homelands funds that were used not to help you people but to make few people get rich and buy weapons to become a Mugabe#2. 11) Since 1900’s Life expectancy for Africans have risen, population had risen, education had risen, trading was enabled… why all this if the “evil boers” hated you lot so much? My point after all this is not to finger point at all, but the past IS the past, the Boers were the first to fall victim under Apartheid being locked out of the cities they built and lived in, As did the Africans were not allowed to enter the cities. So we all have a past we all have history, why not just take 1994 as “drawing the line in the sand” put our differences behind us and working towards never letting our children face the same atrocities??? The reason this will never happen is because of people who stoke and open the wounds blaming everything on one culture and demanding the shirt off their backs.

      David - 2012-03-29 17:20

      Trotse: I can only bow and clap my hands. You've got my RESPECT!

  • Sharon - 2012-03-28 07:32

    The value of naming a brand new street after someone would be so much more than slapping a new nameboard on an existing street. At least then it will serve a dual purpose - remembering someone important, and value added to people's lives. The same goes for hospitals. Don't rename the hospital, build a new neonatal ward, and honor the person by naming the ward after them!

      henrileriche - 2012-03-28 15:22

      True. Well I guess this idea must come from the "Chinese" that's experts at reverse (sorry for the pun) engineering and "Copy" Motherland. And, it's the same as "creating new jobs". It's not "new" jobs at all. It's existing jobs, being reserved for AA candidates. "Job Creation" ANC-style.

  • Herman - 2012-03-28 07:33

    Afrikaners were the builders of this country, their knowledge, investments and guts brought this country to a place where it was seen as one of the most progressive countries in the world, let alone Africa. Aparheid was the worst thing we ever invented or did, but we build this place. Don't try to ever take that away from us.

      lskosana3 - 2012-03-28 07:43

      Well said @bluzulu

      Herman - 2012-03-28 07:46

      Everyone was allowed to build on SA, some just didn't contribute because of laziness and becomming consumers. The Afrikaners were on their knees after the Boer War, but they stood up, took hands and worked to build, what did the rest do? Don't say they were deprived of contributing. As for past '94, the only contribution I have noticed is corruption, crime escalation, crap service delivery and riots. This type of contribution is BS.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-28 07:49

      @ Herman, You really need a lesson on RSA history...Try not utilizing the Indoctrinated version.

      Moses - 2012-03-28 07:57

      @ Herman, Plz stop talking about what you don't clue off. @Bluzulu, Well said.

      Herman - 2012-03-28 08:00

      @bluzulu and moses, proove me wrong, you are the ones withe the warped sense of history. t

      James - 2012-03-28 08:03

      @Bluzulu and Moses - Why isn't the Indian population living in shacks then? They were also excluded were they not? Why could they make it and your forefathers not?

      Xboxs - 2012-03-28 08:09

      This is the first time i have ever agreed with an Afrikaner in my life.Herman if every Afrikaner was as polite and objective as you are,there won't be mistrust between blacks and whites.You hit the nail on the head without being arrogant or racist and that has earned you my utmost respect.Well done brother.

      Herman - 2012-03-28 08:25

      Thanks Xboxs

      Marion - 2012-03-28 08:29

      @Herman and @bluzulu - You both make valid points. Herman, you quite correctly left the word labour out of your first sentence because the other race groups supplied the labour to implement the ideas etc., of the Afrikaners. Please do not discount the influence of the British on building SA. bluzulu, you are correct. You were legislated not to even sit on the same bench as me so certainly didn't have the chance of doing the same job as me. We cannot change the past and we should stop living in the past - just wasted time and energy. All we can do now is work together to make South Africa the country we know it can, and should, be.

      Herman - 2012-03-28 08:44

      @ Marion, my initial statement was not to discredit any race or ethnic group or to not give them credit for the building of SA. I focused on the Afrikaner and his and her contribution to building SA and that we must not be discredited for it. Post '94 no valid contribution has been done by the majority governing or as they perceive ruling SA. I have yet to see any upliftment in any area from them. As per legislative measures, that is the very last thing anyone can call on not to build anything. No one was not allowed to improve or increase anything in SA, yes, the black people were not allowed in governance, but where does building start? It starts at the lowest level, this includes discipline, education and respect. James made a valid point as well. Why did the Indian population create wealth in the worst time of SA, Apartheid (becoming second worst under criminal and incompetent anc regime)?

      Catie - 2012-03-28 08:47

      @bluzulu and Moses: Watch this video from about 3min onwards. Nough said! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuEc-nFULY8

      amananga - 2012-03-28 09:18

      @ Herman, the fact that blacks were prohited from studying as artisans from as early as 1913 and in most tertiary institutions blacks were not allowed especially in Engineering. Lets not underestimate the effects of the past and that will allow us to move freely forward.

      Herman - 2012-03-28 09:29

      @ amanaga, I agree that there has been a lot of injustice done, but that still doesn't excuse anyone to be lazy, unproductive or just plain criminal. The past is the past, dwelling on it and pointing fingers will never allow a future for SA.

      valcooperRSA - 2012-03-28 13:53

      @herman......that is my point exactly....without the Afrikaners....there wouldn't be any cities and roads....I am English speaking South African...I consider the Afrikaners as the people who lead the way to progress here....so...yes...why don't they go build new and give new names to them that they want to have be named after....waste of money what they doing....don't know where you are half the time these days due to the changes being made

      bluzulu - 2012-03-28 15:03

      Once again my post has been removed even though it complied with the comment rules hence I will post it again; @ Herman, Only a section of RSA population was allowed to build RSA with their Technical and Managerial expertise however Blacks were Legislated not to participate in these fields . We were however the Labour mechanism and we did in our way (decided by Law)contribute to the building of RSA . Let me give you a sporting example; If this were a boxing match and you didn't allow your opponent in the ring and won via default....What victory is this? If we were allowed to build RSA and refused, Then you have a discussion however History states that we were only recognized as manual labour.

      Young - 2012-03-28 15:06

      @Catie seriously???? You are a moron. First of all if you had any sort of knowledge on Africa and its history you wouldn't have posted that link. It shows your ignorance and as a caucasian I feel sorry for you. You have shown lack of knowledge and frankly I am not amazed that you do your research on youtube.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-28 15:06

      @ James, Ever been to Durban....Heaps of Indian poverty mate. Don't get fooled into thinking cos' some Blacks of all cultures are well off then the entire culture is also well off.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-28 15:15

      @ Herman, @bluzulu and moses, proove me wrong, you are the ones withe the warped sense of history. t Here's the issue, you get 110 thumbs up for this post. Well done all you out there that does not understand the discussion or more lightly can't be bothered with addressing the Past rather condoning it.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-28 15:18

      @ Xboxs, You agree with this guy/ According to Herman , We were not marginalized ....ooohhh no, we were just"@ amanaga, I agree that there has been a lot of injustice done, but that still doesn't excuse anyone to be lazy, unproductive or just plain criminal" Every now and again....

      bluzulu - 2012-03-28 16:11

      @ Marion, This is the only reason , I have taken the time to offer Herman History's perspective. RSA definitely needs to move on however some of the "Oblique" views of History creates an atmosphere of hatred. The next generation is also being infected by this "View of the world". Teach the kids what History dictates and move on. To many posters here are living in the past and need to move on. Here's a few examples from "Herman" Afrikaners were the builders of this country, their knowledge, investments and guts but we build this place Everyone was allowed to build on SA, some just didn't contribute because of laziness Ohh here's a beaut, @bluzulu and moses, proove me wrong, you are the ones withe the warped sense of history. Now Marion is this what you and the rest of the posters here want the next generation to believe is true and perpetuation this type of thinking. This is driving yous away and not together.

      marinda.henning - 2012-03-28 16:22

      @bluzulu... I understand the point that you are trying to make that the Blacks of South Africa didn't have the same opportunities etc. blah, blah, blah... But if you think about the past 18years, where all people are suppose to have the same opportunities, what has happened?? Except for building a few soccer stadiums NOTHING else has been built by the new government... All that the government really sucseeded in doing is breaking down, stealing and renaming!

      bluzulu - 2012-03-28 20:19

      @ Miranda, Remember the GDP in 1993 was 130 US Billion mainly supporting 8 million people However taxing the entire Nation) In 1994 the GDP was 135 US Billion, now supporting the entire Nation. Now that RSA has been through the task of resetting in 2002 the GDP was 111 US Billion and in 2010 it was 363 US Billion. We have tripled our GDP in an Eight year span by diversifying our buying market ( Not due to the US ,which is hard to phathom why RSA panders to them)

      bluzulu - 2012-03-28 20:32

      http://www.google.co.za/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=ny_gdp_mktp_cd&idim=country:ZAF&dl=en&hl=en&q=south+africa%27s+gdp

      Bert - 2012-03-28 20:34

      Hey Herman, with the help of the Brits. Who built the roads and bridges, I agree the place has gone to the dogs, see my Spyker May comment, but please dont become blinkered to one race in the building of this beautiful country. Which unfortunately is being slowly demolished.

      Bert - 2012-03-28 20:38

      Bluezulu - name one contribution to the modern South Africa (EG) building of highways, buildings, introducing services etc. etc. that was not contributed by a European. If there hadn't been settlement into Africa by Europeans,t would still be bushveld. One thing, you'd have never heard of China and the Rhino would be reasonably safe! :)

      bluzulu - 2012-03-28 20:48

      @ Bert, It's only been 18 years. Read my post above regarding the GDP and it's effects of the economy in the very near future. It takes time to reset a country however checkout the GDP graph, RSA is on it's way. Give us the wheel for a hundred years and we will have a great history too.We already have First world Ports , Airports, Water supply systems an much much more.It's quiet obvious that you are a " glass half empty"Individual.

      Bert - 2012-03-28 21:34

      bluezulu, just seen that you don't even live in the country. do not contribute, also I see you are an avid reader of wikipedia. Your a sell out man, using an alias too. I even thought you may be black, then i saw your name................you.re a sell out - end of discussion!

      Antebellum - 2012-03-29 05:34

      @ bluzulu Do you think that aliens came down, built universities and gave white people knowledge? No, we aquired knowledge over many centuries, we built universities and libraies to accumulate and expand it even further. Why was it the responsibility of white people to educate black people? Who resposibility was it to provide white people with knowledge? The answer is no one, because it is each culture's own responsibilty. Why in all the centuries before appartheid were no universities or libraries built in sub-saharan Africa? The total lack of education and failure to build modern civilizations in Africa rests squarely on the shoulders if your forefathers and you culture as a whole. To blame white people for not giving you something that you did not have to begin with is rediculous. You cannot be entitled to everything if you contribute nothing. Successfull societies create opportunities, they do not require others to provide it for them.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-29 07:36

      @ Ante, Yes you are correct it is the responsibilty of the Leaders of individual cultures to enrich their people however we were Legislated against doing this. This is the crux of the matter, all issues produced from this sad historical fact is due to this original failure.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-29 08:14

      @ Bert, In RSA , Africans, Indians, Coloured and Chinese are Black, Thank you.

      Antebellum - 2012-03-30 09:56

      @bluzulu You say "we were Legislated against doing this". So what is your excuse then for the thousands of years preceding apartheid? You complain about inferior education and legislation that limited opportunities, but before Apartheid black people had NO education and NO opportunities. If white people never came to Africa, who would you be blaming then?

  • Rob - 2012-03-28 07:36

    Perhaps they might name a few streets in soweto after promenant afrikaaners then. As part of the integration process & the part that afrikaners played in the history of our country. There should be no objections to this considering the name changes taking place in other major cities.

      Xboxs - 2012-03-28 08:11

      Lol..nice one Rob! I don't see why there shouldn't be because some Afrikaner did fight against Apartheid.

      amananga - 2012-03-28 08:37

      I think there's Braam Fischer somewhere in soweto

      valcooperRSA - 2012-03-28 13:57

      @rob....ja right on and in other big townships

      Hugo - 2012-03-28 18:00

      isn't there a Bayers Naude street somewhere,even if its not Soweto?

  • Bless Boswell - 2012-03-28 07:40

    Perhaps ethnic names should be given to new structures and developments so that the names continue to represent the achievements of the people after whom they are named. So, new streets, highways and towns get new names while existing ones keep theirs - that way we can measure progress.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-28 07:44

      RSA can measure it's progress via it's GDP , Thanks.

      sharon.truebodyvice - 2012-03-28 08:19

      Then ANC is not interested in building roads and schools and hospitals ( to put their heros names on)only interested in filling their pockets ......fat pigs

      Misterio - 2012-03-28 08:26

      bluzulu can you actually tell me wat our GDP is, as if I am understanding economics, we are not doing so well. It just shows your grasp of history, economics and generl facts are just a bit of track. Political history is for all the share. Pretoria as a name has huge significance for global history. The problem is you are refering to past injustices, which now is just in the reverse, but to such an extend nobody really notices it till it is to late. Always also remember, how to you measure wealth, just money or is there anything else you need to include? Clearly you do not have a wealth of knowledge.....

      Herman - 2012-03-28 08:28

      @bluzullu, out of the whole of the GDP, what is your contribution and what is the Afrikaners contribution?

      amananga - 2012-03-28 08:55

      We can't be driving on the streets named after people whom the UN acknowledged that they committed crimes against humanity. We need to heal as a nation ad move forward and if there are streets that you feel the names should not be changed, you should have submitted comments during the cunsultation process.

      amananga - 2012-03-28 08:56

      @ Herman, when you ask Bluzulu's contribution you mean as an individual or what?

      Herman - 2012-03-28 09:03

      @ amananga, I am asking about the group he supports.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-28 15:29

      @ Mistrio, Unfortunately RSA's GDP had to keep pace with the sudden rise in the number of people the same GDP had to support.It is getting better. Better leaders will come through. RSA deserves that chance with all the blood shed to get to this point. Try living in Africa as Africans....We talk loud, We like loud music, We love having fun.......TRY it sometime....Throw those European suits away and be REAL South Africans.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-28 19:50

      South Africa's GDP went from US 111 Billion in 2002 to 363 US Billion in 2010.........Checkout the evidence.....it has tripled in this 8 year span........All this without US or Europe help. This is due to our expansion into different markets....... http://www.google.co.za/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=ny_gdp_mktp_cd&idim=country:ZAF&dl=en&hl=en&q=south+africa%27s+gdp

      Nazeer - 2012-03-28 22:01

      @ bluzulu...even though our GDP has 3x since 2002 the fact still remains that it hasnt even kept up with inflation(what was the price of petrol in 2002 and compared to now)....SA should be up there with the likes of china but look whats happing

      bluzulu - 2012-03-29 06:46

      @ Nassir, The fact that the GDP is going in the right direction is good enough. Regarding the inflation , this is due to the undervaluing of the Rand by the West. People in RSA will have a better lifestyle if the Rand was valued at it's real woth.

  • Bigsexy.jm - 2012-03-28 07:44

    Ah the not so subtle smell of anc rat. Smells like the standard horse poo they serve up every day

  • Ulrich - 2012-03-28 07:56

    Something I don't understand is "Why do you want change the names of cities and roads" Bla, Bla transformation.... Bull. The only reason in my opinion is for these cats to make even more money. Let me explain, just by changing a name what gets affected, Posters/Billboards, Maps, GPS's, Website Information, Business Cards, Postal Addresses, Phone book entries, RICA/FICA information, Letterheads the list just goes on and on... Do these people making the decisions even know what is involved in such a process?

      jim.dickson2 - 2012-03-28 08:27

      Even if they did, which I doubt, they wouldn't care. Ideology always beats wisdom with this shower.

      Ulrich - 2012-03-28 08:42

      There actually a song about the transformation process: http://www.metrolyrics.com/one-step-forward-two-steps-back-lyrics-johnny-winter.html

  • jafieb - 2012-03-28 07:57

    What ever you say mr. Mayor! But do we know how much money goes into the process of changing a name of a street or place! Should that money not be used to save lives of the people of your country, people that are homeless and starving of hunger,people that are without work, people you have sworn to serve and protect? Maybe after all of that has been taken care of, can we look at changing names of the places (if it will make you feel better)

  • tiaan.fourie - 2012-03-28 07:58

    To be quite bloody honest I don't care what they name the places. The biggest problem I have with this whole renaming business is the fact that my tax money is being used for pointless crap like this in the first place. We are a 3rd world country who has to deal with basic problems like hunger, housing, education. And our government is wasting money on name changes?! I'm sure a hungry, homeless kid would rather have a meal and a warm bed in Pretoria than sleep hungry, on the side of the road, in Tshwane.

      Steve - 2012-03-28 08:44

      Even if they decided to use the tax-payers money to beef up education, housing, health, etc, instead of wasting it on name changes, they would need capable people to spend the money. We have all seen what happens. Theft first and then make some wet-fart excuse as to why budget allocations are not spent! No vision and the live-for-today attitude of the brainwashed millions is just what the ANC want. It's time for the masses to wipe the poo-poo from their eyes and see what is really happening to them.

      Lanfear - 2012-03-28 09:52

      Fully agreed! Says it all.

  • revaro.winkler - 2012-03-28 07:59

    for what get the citys people jobs and build houses for the masses then you can change the citys name to your name

  • an0nthinker - 2012-03-28 08:00

    How about using the billions it's going to cost to change street names and using that money instead for education, hospitals and housing? Leave the name changing for when there is actually money!

  • Hugh - 2012-03-28 08:05

    I have a simple question. Did the locals and them from afar refer to Pretoria as Tshwane as they do when spoeaking of Durban? The indigenous name for Durban is Ethekweni and is know as far away as Empageni. If the esteemed mayor can say that the I see little arguement besides history against change. But as in most cases what we have is the naming of street after street of the few real struggle hero's then they are forced to drag the bottom of the barrel with names that have no history in SA. Some as in the case of Durban were jsut plain members of the ANC in exile. The Joke is that when Durban Metro puts out these press releases on the hero's of the struggle few of the black population have the foggiest idea who they were and what they did. The question - Is that then not name change for the sake of name change just because you hold the power?

      timmy.ditsele - 2012-03-28 10:43

      Thwkwini is still thekwini not Epamgeni

  • Xboxs - 2012-03-28 08:06

    How about they name it Ubuntu? Personally ,i like the name Pretoria (does not sound Afrikaans to me).Tshwane is not a bad name either.What everyone should be worried about is the cost of the name change.Pretoria or Tshwane both sound ok as long as it does not cost a jizzilion rands.

  • Thomas - 2012-03-28 08:09

    Mr. Mayor Please let us know what this name change is going to cost us. Yes, you are reading correctly , us, because it is our money you are going to use to make the name changes. At least we as the taxpayer have the right to know. I don't have an objection in changing names as long as we can afford this. I would not mind living in a city that is named after whoever you want to rename it and its streets, as long as you can promise me I will live in a clean city with decent non-pothole and well maintained roads. Can you promise me that? May I as the taxpayer have the right to a 100% service delivery and get value for my hard earned taxes paid. Did you ask yourself the question if we really can afford this at this stage of our economic recession? Yours truly, Concerned loyal taxpayer

      Eugene Walters - 2012-03-28 08:28

      Please man do me a favuor . Women, children are being raped and murdered and you are sitting down changing what ever names what a load of CRAP

      Catie - 2012-03-28 08:54

      Well said!! Surely all that money can be spent more wisely!

  • veritas.odium.paret - 2012-03-28 08:11

    It's funny though, go to the townships and none of the streets there have names [having lived in one and been to many]. People have to use buildings and other landmarks to describe their streets to local taxi drivers. If these guys wanna show progress they can atleast name those.

      Byron - 2012-03-28 19:27

      u obviously haven't been in many minibus taxis as you'd realize that 99% of the time, passengers use landmarks to indicate their destinations. Use a street name and the "gaadjie" and/or driver is likely to respond with a WTP expression on their face(s)

  • themba.ntuli - 2012-03-28 08:12

    We Are All One Happy Nation, Stop The Accusation And Leave History To The Historyens The Will Judge The Past Lets All Watch '' Leon Schuster'' Do Braii And Smile To Each Other.

      Byron - 2012-03-28 19:28

      lol

  • SJ - 2012-03-28 08:13

    Keep telling yourself that you idiot! Keep on shoving it down our throats and see if the afrikaner wil stop hating you! Taking away all our heritage is not going to help you one bit!

      timmy.ditsele - 2012-03-28 10:45

      SOO the afrikaners hates us?mmmmmmm.now thats not nation building,now is it?

      Hugo - 2012-03-28 18:12

      Afrikaners hate us,maybe some but not all,thats for sure.Those that hate us,we are just to lazy to hate them back :)

      Paul - 2012-03-29 10:43

      Hold on SJ, first of all I am againts the ANC's mission to change Pretoria's name. Whether it is to p*ss off the Afrikaner or just part of their policy. don't care. I grew up in Pretoria, I love it there and think it is the best city in our beautiful country. It is full of history and I especially like the fact that it started as a site to build a church where the "boere"could come together for "nagmaal". I will always refer to it as Pretoria. However, I am totally ticked off by the fact that the Gov is wasting the tax payer's money to fund this, while it could have been used to feed a hungry child, put a roof over a homeless person's head or for that matter, to prevent crime- which in all honesty is the biggest problem in the country. (@bluzulu- even though the GDP is at an all time high, so is murder, rape and theft, therefore you my friend live in a twilight zone, money doens't matter if you don't feel safe in your own home). In conclusion, SJ, I find your comment "...see if the afrikaner will stop hating you" extremely offensive. I am a proud afrikaner, I am proud of my history, I went to school post 1994 and therefore have no so-called "white guilt". But to generalise all afrikaners by stating that they won't stop hating "mr. mayor", i.e. black south africans, is the reason why a lot of people think afrikaners are all low class racists that drink brandy and hit their wives. To all non-afrikaners, SJ is wrong! Dink voor jy praat idioot!

  • Stanley - 2012-03-28 08:18

    I'm not so concerned about the amount of money (although it is a huge factor) as I am about the reason for the name changing. One of the main reasons for name changing is because it reminds black people of the past. WTF?...if that is the case,than it means that every white person reminds them of the past. So what is this government actually trying to say?

  • louisdiemasjien - 2012-03-28 08:21

    Will the name change bring the crime rate down?

      jim.dickson2 - 2012-03-28 08:28

      No, but it will take the police longer to respond as they won't know where the address is.

  • Michael - 2012-03-28 08:21

    Just a thought; As I grew up my grandmother told me stories about Tshwane, my primary school text books talked about Tshwane (not Pretoria). As I moved to high school the name gradually changed to Pretoria. Now question is; Did anyone threaten court actions (and the sorts) when Tshwane was changed to Pretoria?

      Johana - 2012-03-28 09:13

      "As I moved to high school the name gradually changed to Pretoria." How old are you? 200?

      Michael - 2012-03-28 11:48

      Johana My primary school text books were in seTswana. I thought you would use a brain for a change!

      mjvandersandt - 2012-03-29 19:50

      Bantu education had its shortcomings.

  • jim.dickson2 - 2012-03-28 08:22

    1. I am not an Afirkaner. 2. Why do we have to rename things? Why not build new towns, suburbs, streets and give them whatever name the ruling party want. Any other change reeks of revenge and racial polarisation.

      Michael - 2012-03-28 11:53

      But why were some names changed into Afrikaans and Afrikaner heroes in the first place? The name of my own birth place was changed into Afrikaans name in mid-50s

      Byron - 2012-03-28 19:34

      I say we should not name streets after people. ever. We should just throw some letter blocks into a "random-izer" and whichever combination of letters it produces, we use as a street name. We don't have to confine the process to the English alphabet - we'll never have a duplicate name again

  • Paulo - 2012-03-28 08:25

    liar liar pants on fire. ps was there a city called Tshwane before the Afrikaaners came (they just invaded it)?

      valcooperRSA - 2012-03-28 14:09

      You reckon.....considering that they all migrated from upper africa.....how come we don't see Koi-San names being put in place considering that they were the people who originally lost their land....not the whites nor the blacks are indiginous to South Africa....go check out and read upon the Koi-San people...they were here long before anyone else

  • Gregory - 2012-03-28 08:26

    Change the name. We don't want our colonial names used for the usual headlines. Couple murdered in tswane. Corruption in tswane, brutal rape in tswane , hijacking in tswane etc etc

  • malebo.more - 2012-03-28 08:30

    Why can they just leave it as it is really now. This really angers me. People are busy with name changing when there are people starving out and people without houses. So what are they changing the name to, Nelson MAndela avenue, Zuma Street, Mbheki avenue.... This is so boring *pissedfordays*

      marumobongani - 2012-03-28 08:45

      am supporting both sides of your story we got bigger needs to fulfill we cant let go smaller ones and still be able to solve bigger so first smaller later bigger it could your surname on those streets so look on the bright side

      Morapedi - 2012-03-28 09:29

      I agree wit u but remember that sometimes that those names form part of our history

  • Sid - 2012-03-28 08:32

    It is important to reflect the history of all race groups in SA. No-one will be 100% happy...let us compromise. Secondly, why the "anti-western" sentiment when everyone(b&w) seems to be striving for western ideals? Democracy is...western, so is your car and the technology you use everyday. We seem to be selective at pointing fingers as and when it suits us, based on colonial and African history. I think it's trivial...concentrate on doing your job well and securing a bright future for yourself and your children, regardless of your faith, background, upbringing beliefs, race or the name of the street in which you live.

      Hugo - 2012-03-28 18:14

      e.g ...

  • marumobongani - 2012-03-28 08:34

    there's no need to justify the name changing now it should've been done long ago change is change and that time is now to be quiet honestly they never considered putting us why?so dont even hasitate change for amaSouthAfrica chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaange

  • sparkle.fruit - 2012-03-28 08:40

    Paul Mashatile must do us proud

      crazyjourno - 2012-03-28 08:48

      U must do yourself proud, do not sponge on other brothers to do your entire culture proud! Be the change you want to see!

      Mark - 2012-03-28 13:00

      Paul Mashatile hasn't done anything he could be proud of. Why should he start now?

  • looneylani - 2012-03-28 08:46

    ok... then don't change all the names... use all the 11 official languages into the street names - as every single one has a history!

  • Scouter - 2012-03-28 09:16

    I really do think that this is an issue/debate that should be deferred to a more prosperous time when the government might not have more pressing issues to focus their energies & fiscal resources on. I am sure that given a choice, the average South African would rather live in a reticulated brick under tile house on Stoffel Van der Merwe Street than an unreticulated tin shack on Shadreck Nkosi Street. Getting priorities in the right order is rather the issue right now.

  • olerilwe.mosiane - 2012-03-28 09:16

    that's the truth mr mayor we blacks don't hate afrikaaner's but they hate blacks openly.is it wrong for us blacks to hate them back?

      crazyjourno - 2012-03-28 09:53

      Haters...Jeez, no wonder the presidency is in shambles.. @pet... BTW whos little pet are you? Anyway, to get to your rather hateful comment...What power am I losing... Last time I checked my house was in order... Can't really say that about your man... Secondly, who said you are jealous of apartheid? You project all your inferiority onto whites ... If not, then argue sensibly. And, why do you hate me? Jeez... Sending good vibes to you. Hate is a strong word.. You are going on like a tween, because you can't argue the point at hand. You only have the ability to sling around hatred and insults, due to you feeling inerior. Get over it, it portrays your mentality.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-03-28 10:00

      Seeing that you make this statement of who hate who I can make the same statement, but out of a white prospective. That will have the same strength that your argument stands on. Your blind assumption lead you by the nose and the day you will stop it you will realize what is really going on. Black people currently has that euphoria that the Afrikaner had when they took over control by the British and the white experiences that same as the English did when the Afrikaner took over. There is a bit of a difference here and there, but it give a loose idea of what is going on. That is now if you leave out the head count and the progress or lack of it due to that and the political influence. Your words are ones of the echos of the past, but as history shows us all over the world human kind gets moulded to new ways and less remembrance. The question in this country is if we have a master in moulding?

      olerilwe.mosiane - 2012-03-28 10:19

      let's tell the true here we'll never live as one nation regardless of race,as long as others make others to feel inferior and in this regard afrikaaners are the master maybe they thing god is white

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-03-28 10:54

      You just confirming your statement by making the biggest mistake of them all : Generalizing. Dont you realized that when doing that, while concentrating on the negative, you repeat history over and over. All the "winners" in the world use the same method when getting to unite, but using it in a positive way. What happened, happened and what ever way you feel you need to do to change it will never be the solution. On the long run NO winners, but there is a way. Doing it in such a way that you create positiveness. There is a very simple way of illustrating/practice. Every day you pass people that are around you with a friendly greeting and smile. Sometimes it takes a few time to repeat, but one day you can test it by not doing it and you will have concern people around you. People that will ask you what is wrong. People that will chat with you on a level you thought never will happen. Suddenly you gain friends that will listen and buy into your ideas and what you stand for. This simple method is so potent that your most dangerous and sly politicians and business people use it with great success. Your Mother Teresa, Gandhi, etc, also used and and we know there history. This is the power of a positive mind. (Usually I charge for this, but for you, today only, it is for free. Don't tell the others.LOL!)

      olerilwe.mosiane - 2012-03-28 11:20

      lol!!!free my backside.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-03-28 11:28

      lol!

      marumobongani - 2012-03-28 17:00

      if I had one wish for this continent I would that the whiteman never explored this continent all of this is because him

      Hugo - 2012-03-28 18:17

      dont waste your energy hating people who dont even know you exist.They say hatred is like eating poison and expect the next person to die.

      olerilwe.mosiane - 2012-03-28 20:50

      hugo trying to play smart kid?dont give me that crap of hating some1 you don't know and don't tel me you are playing buddy-buddy with blacks bcoz i won't buy that.why can't you white folks take your things and go back to your forefathers country and i promise we'll love you all 4 that,is it really that hard i mean to go home(holand)

      Hugo - 2012-03-29 03:28

      "why can't you white folks ..." I looked behind to make sure that this was directed to me.I had a hearty laugh tho. u grand mara?

      olerilwe.mosiane - 2012-03-29 06:09

      hugo im good bro im really in da good mood.how are you doing my white fellas?don't put the blame on black oke's for hating you put that blame on your forefathers,brothers and sisters for putting this hatred in our hearts,we open our hearts to your forefathers by the time they were exploring africa da black continent but what did they do in return?they ripe our hearts wide open with their hatred and the mentality of wanting it all.this is just the remainder of what happen in the past in case you forgot.lol!!!

  • makenawn - 2012-03-28 09:26

    This names must go, it is high time to govern. Zll those who complain about the change tough luck. This are the very same people who were happy when Leningrad was removed, ask some folks where is Lorenzo Marques tney will never tell you. And this nonsense of saying europeans were the first to arrive here is whole lot of bull dung they just want to justify their arrogance. They conveniently forget about genocide in Namibia,DRC,SA,Mozamque etc.

  • Alex - 2012-03-28 09:29

    It is Afrikaners that built the city jou FOOL.....

      makenawn - 2012-03-28 09:32

      improve your argument do not shout and insult otner bloggers

      Alex - 2012-03-28 09:35

      @makenawn, sorry if you interpret it wrong; I was shouting at the mayor not the bloggers.

      petbosh - 2012-03-28 09:43

      Afrikaners built the city with the money they stole from us you ashole. Your forefathers came here with their pants and wrcked ship they left in the sea

      crazyjourno - 2012-03-28 10:14

      @pet Tell me where did whites steel from you? Please do so... I dare you to stand up and argue without slinging insults...

      swartskapie - 2012-03-28 11:26

      @pet.. Coming from a black girl, You honestly don't know what you are talking about? Back in the dai the khoikhoi, ndebeles and zulu's did not work with money. They traded with food! The afrikaaners travelled all through europe to make this country what it is! They had their own money..they worked with pounds, currency from england and they didn't wreck they're ship, they planned on coming here! And as for pretoia, it was built in honours of piet retief, hendrik potgieter and andries pretorius and pretoria was named after andries pretorius. So get with the picture and go do some homework on your history!! Maybe you will learn something..useful!

      Michael - 2012-03-28 12:02

      Alex: Did they build it with own hands or through slaves' hands? I don't like arrogance of "the likes of you!!!" Sometimes you can't blame the dudes that say "drive settlers back to the sea" - it's purely due to your arrogance and I believe you don't represent the views of majority whites of this country.

      Nicki.Labuschagne - 2012-03-29 07:52

      Michael, if you want to use that analogy, I guess they'd better give Egypt to the Israelites then ..... Black labour may have been used, but it was not only black labour, but it was white knowledge and leadership. The city was built after all, and everyone, black, brown, white, pink and yellow all benefited from it. Why must we remain in the past - let's move on already!!!!!

  • Karen - 2012-03-28 09:31

    It is unfortunate that apartheid 'stole' what is most valuable to a human & that is self-worth & dignitiy (Maslow). There is such confusion in this country because we have to have one value-system in order to become a unified nation but as a white female I can' t teach my children to destroy property when they're not happy with a situation, or strike, or disobey rules on the road,or pollute or steal from someone because of the colour of their skin,or blame their past for failures. I can't start a meeting late or sing for an hour because my time is precious! These are all things that keep me 'apart' from people with above-mentioned values! I do not hate people like this, I just don't want to be associated with these values!

      Karen - 2012-03-28 10:02

      You immediately assume I speak about black people? Why?

      Karen - 2012-03-28 10:14

      You immediately assume I'm speaking about black people? Why? I am speaking about values and did not mention race anywhere! Maybe you have just proven my point? It will be impossible for you and myself to get along as I can't condone hatred! I don't even hate the black person who raped and killed my great-aunt and left her naked body exposed outside her house or the black youths who tortured and killed my brother-in-law's grandparents on their farm in the Eastern Cape,or the black men that raped a family friend's mother and fiance and then cut off their breasts and set them on fire! How many of the women in your family has this happened to?

      olerilwe.mosiane - 2012-03-28 12:17

      stop acting clever girlie!!!of course you are talking about blacks.n let me tell you,we'll do whatever we like whenever we want.this is our country,constitution my foot.you afrikaaner's and brits you took our land now you are trying to be smart,go to the nearest holland and practise that tendecy

      Rob - 2012-03-28 12:23

      olerilwe: Sicko!

      Karen - 2012-03-28 12:34

      Fair enough, I was trying to be clever! But the comment I was commenting on has now been removed,so my 'clever' comment is not as effective! If you provide the title deeds of the land that was taken,it would be easy to give it back!Somewhere there must be records of ownership? I'm so sorry that the past have created people with an 'it is mine and I may do with it what I want'-mentality,it seems a little like a child that can't share!

      Reehaz - 2012-03-28 16:55

      olerilwe plzzz tell me how old are you coz half the people on this forum have so much to say about apartheid yet we have not experienced it.

      olerilwe.mosiane - 2012-03-28 20:18

      do you want to know how old iam?im 36 boy and i have i've seen it all during da apartheid era.i've eat,sleep and walk apartheid and i know afrikaaners are heartless morons i've ever see,and nothing and i mean nothing wil ever erase the apartheid cruelty i've experienced

      Nicki.Labuschagne - 2012-03-29 07:43

      Oh great, well there's no hope that you will ever grow up then. How about sharing some examples of those personal horrors you experienced? I also lived in the same era and never saw or committed any heartless acts. I would really like to know, maybe it would enlighten me and explain why you hate me so much?

  • Kyle - 2012-03-28 09:40

    I feel bad for both blacks and afrikaaners, about all the negative sh*t they're posting here. Its really a shame to read hate speech amongst the peace. The street names in Durban have been changed for years now, and some signs are still being spraypainted over everytime they appear. The reason for this is because the government just went ahead and did it hastily. Several names they even spelt wrong. And several street names are too long and arbitrary to read as you drive through. But anyway, times change, and a few new street names doesn't mean the end of the world. So as long as they do a better job in pretoria than in Durban, should be fine folks.

  • Plato Pravda - 2012-03-28 09:45

    i am following the story with such amusement. the racial prejudice from those who claim to be non-racist absolutely astounding. comments like ' lets be honest, most whites are racist..' How can someone pass a judgement like that and still proclaim his non-racist credentials? the mind boggles as such 'logic'. as soon as we start identifying people by race, we are being racist. And yes, our very own government guitly of this!!

  • Jan - 2012-03-28 09:56

    And I believe you just as I beleived the guy that told me the sun did not come up this morning. Your words and actions - and those of the anc - send out two different messages

  • Matthew - 2012-03-28 10:21

    Leave cape town and her street names alone stop wasting our tax payers money on silly stuff like this and rather throw it into a new police academy or just into the police full stop.

  • David - 2012-03-28 10:25

    If people "really" need "local" names to find their Identity"back"! Then even the name of AFRICA should be changed! Because it comes from the Latin language (Roman Empire...bouhouhou...Europe! Ho NO!! Whites again!!). It was the name given to a warm and rainy wind coming from the South (Carthage) into the Roman Empire (Campania)! AFRICUS was it's name! So the ANC and the Mayor of Pretoria should organise a Pan-African conference to ask to change the name of the continent, in order to have something more local.....

  • Frans - 2012-03-28 10:48

    @Bluzulu, i hope 'your well said' also refers to his first paragraph,changing names of streets while people are screaming for basic things like better housing, water and electricity, makes no sense.

  • elmathapo - 2012-03-28 11:08

    All ANC is worried about is changing street names and paying municipal managers cheques as huge as the president of the high courts. ANC gives B.S about delivering services. we are not paying tax to change street names, we are paying tax to feed the poor for heavens sake!!!!

  • Den - 2012-03-28 11:30

    no no no, we dont hate em, for without em we would still be in the bush

      Hugo - 2012-03-28 18:20

      what would you be doing in the Bush Dan? hunting?camping?

  • Rifkar Ramovha - 2012-03-28 11:37

    Mr mayor stop it pls.we don't need new names we need jobs.

  • phathuchicos - 2012-03-28 11:58

    GREATER TSHWANE...like it...can't wait.

      Bert - 2012-03-28 21:55

      hello Angry, the way you lot are ruining a once great CLEAN, TIDY, city, the sooner you call it some native name the better. Only find another word for Greater, that's English.

  • brad.schafer3 - 2012-03-28 12:11

    Why change existing names to honour the momory of these people. There are many new roads being built every day. Use the names on these new roads. How about naming the freeways and highways. much greater honour in my view.

  • Mark - 2012-03-28 12:28

    Isn't this irresponsible? Money is being wasted! people are fighting with each other! We seem to be concentrating more effort and reasources on issues that divide South Africans. It's just sad!

  • valcooperRSA - 2012-03-28 13:47

    Have these name changing people ever given it a thought you can't change history.....now they want to change names of places and streets....to names of people who had no connection to how those streets and places got there in the first place. Why don't the name changers go out and create something for themselves so that they can name it after whoever it was who created it.....I have yet to see anything in this country deserving a name change... Just like everything else gets taken away from us....because they not clever enough to make their own mark....they will take that which is already there and claim it as their own.... I think I have done more than enough puking when it comes to this government. Go build your own monuments and name them what you like.

  • siyolise.matyila - 2012-03-28 13:49

    Stand bye for another episode of white afrikaners vs black africans coming next on news24, 3,2,1 FIGHT.

      deon.schyff - 2012-03-28 14:26

      can't wait .....

      siyolise.matyila - 2012-03-28 15:04

      @ Deon I don't mean it literally bra, I'm being "semi sarcastic" lol, but in real fact it looks like that's what news 24 is trying to do with these contraversial and divisive articles.

  • ajl.lubbe - 2012-03-28 13:58

    Here is an idea, why not spend all the tax payers money on renaming streets on actually helping the poor? Like public housing or perhaps medical aid???? Idiot government, always looking to waste it where it is not needed!

  • ajl.lubbe - 2012-03-28 13:59

    Here is an idea, why not spend all the tax payers money on renaming streets on actually helping the poor? Like public housing or perhaps medical aid???? Idiot government, always looking to waste it where it is not needed!

  • Karen - 2012-03-28 15:56

    Why not build new houses and areas for the people and name those after ANC heroes. Oh, that might be a problem... Don't worry...the tax payer will pay for it.

      jonathan.mgadi - 2012-03-28 18:58

      Kerry point of correction,not all the areas are named after ANC, there is a new area in soweto called bram fischer!!!

      riettevr - 2012-03-28 23:00

      Bram was a freedom fighter and had close relationships with the ANC while he was leader of the communist party.