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Mine killings in self-defence - Phiyega

2012-08-17 13:15

Marikana - National police commissioner Riah Phiyega said on Friday that her forces opened fire in self-defence after coming under attack from armed mineworkers, leaving 34 people dead and 78 injured.

"The militant group stormed toward the police, firing shots and wielding dangerous weapons," Phiyega told a news conference.

"Police retreated systematically and were forced to utilise maximum force to defend themselves. The total death of the protesters currently stands at 34 with more than 78 injured."

So far 259 people have been arrested on various charges stemming from the clash on Thursday at the platinum mine run by London-listed Lonmin, she said.

Police played video footage of their efforts to disperse striking miners, including a series of negotiations and crowd-control tactics comprising of firing teargas, water cannons, stun grenades and rubber bullets.

In one video, an officer begged the miners to disperse, saying: "We are not here to arrest you, our only problem is with the weapons."

Phiyega said police initially tried to break up the crowd into smaller groups to make them easier to disarm, but the miners refused to heed to calls to disperse and lay down their weapons.


Comments
  • sekwati.robinson - 2012-08-17 13:23

    that sangoma who performed a rutial at the mountain should be brought in for questioning....I think he lied to the protesters about being invincible to bullets..grown ups with silly believes...6 firearms recovered and 1 belonging to the murdered police officer...what are protesters doing with firearms?...civilians carrying weapons,protest automaticaly turns into combat.....I must say this conference needs bheki cele

      jacob.ndlovu.3 - 2012-08-17 13:32

      With so many cops, was it really necessary to use deadly force?! Did they even try tear gas, rubber bullets. Strategically it was horribly set up all due to police incompetence. If they felt threatened by knives then they could of stayed in the armoured vehicles. R4000 a month is peanuts to work in a mine where the CEO is making millions. Thats BS! Remember its hard labour working undergound in harsh environment.

      fussed.anderson - 2012-08-17 13:39

      In another artical you asked "What were we supposed to do, police ask Well I'll tell you, you do the same as we have had to do, wait to get attacked or killed then try to call the police, if they have vehicles or even answer the phone, report you are getting attacked. If you harm any of the persons that have attacked you, you will be arrested and could sit in jail until your court date. So you tell us 'what should WE do" I await your answer.

      UNITY - 2012-08-17 13:40

      I have heard of this...Sangoma has a medicine so that if the police shoot, u can't die...that video footage..its like someone possessed walking into a death trap!!! The uniqueness of this situation cannot be undermined.the only problem I have was..why did the minister not deploy more troops and police to disarm the strikers.They allowed the situation to detoriorate by not taking control of it sooner!

      mark.ross.779 - 2012-08-17 13:42

      They did try all that stuff initially.. But in the video you see the protesters running at them, and what do you think they would have done if they had reached the police.. hugged them? As horrible as it is, it looked necessary... It should never have gotten this far. Jacob, I agree with you also. R4000 is measly, and I do think that they must be paid more etc, but I think the initial reason for the protest and this charging of the police are two different issues

      malcolm.macleod.562 - 2012-08-17 13:45

      @Jacob - "Did they even try tear gas, rubber bullets." Erm it is right there in the article, you did read the article right? Quote from article - "including a series of negotiations and crowd-control tactics comprising of firing teargas, water cannons, stun grenades and rubber bullets."

      brandon.mccutcheon.56 - 2012-08-17 13:49

      I agree with the police's response. Far to many a time do protesters taunt the police as they know the police have no powers to do anything when they resort to violence and mayhem. This time they faced a crowd that would have killed them if they did nothing. They responded to being fired upon. Teargas will not help against gunfire.

      jonivdw - 2012-08-17 13:51

      @Jacob 400 cops vs over 3000 protestors who were firing on the cops with guns..... The cops tried water cannons, tear gas, rubber bullets but were forced to use deadly force when they came under fire.... On the Al-Jazeera footage you can see a wounded protestor still reaching for his weapon to threaten the cops after being shot.... He perished in the end.... I feel for the families who lost loved ones and bread winners and for the poor SAPS who were forced to take lives..

      peter.ndamase - 2012-08-17 13:52

      @Jacob... You choose a career, you also choose to go to school. CEOs must be paid millions because they are in demand and are the business drivers. R12500,00 is ridiculous for a pressed economy like our country. An honours Graduate gets atleast R11000,00 as a start salary, this is a student who freezed atleast 6 years of life studying, what do mine workers have to show for R12500,00. They cannot be referred to as protesters, they are criminals!!! Two law enforcers died in their hands, how many more should have died for you to open your bloody eyes?

      sekwati.robinson - 2012-08-17 13:52

      Jacob,lets leave the issue of salaries here because you can't go around threatening and killing people to get what you demand...I condemn what happened ok but nevertheless those armed protesters where provoking police..they should have stayed at the mountain and sang their songs.....I sympathize with them,they are earning peanutes but R12500 up from R4000?...lets be realistic...thats more than 300% increase,where have you seen such?...and don't tell me about politicians.....@Alicia,live bullets were a last resort,the protesters persisted regardles of every measure police took...live bullets is the only measure that finally restores order

      DJVANMAN - 2012-08-17 13:52

      @ Jacob there were 425 copsd and 2000 protesters armed with pangas, knifes, knopbkierries, iron rods and firearms as we see from this article. Now tell me if you were there and had tried everything, what would you have done?

      sekwati.robinson - 2012-08-17 14:02

      lol hahaha Unity I totaly agree,miracles do happen but more than 400 bullets versus muthi aggggg people need to grow up....but our ministers need to take control of situations from the beginning,we are tired of them subjecting us to poor prepared speeches as a measure of damage control.....

      jacob.ndlovu.3 - 2012-08-17 14:12

      @Peter CEO's study etc and deserve to exploit regular workers so that they can get paid millions...BS! The obvious 'alternative' would be to enable some workers' rights, and have social-democracy where the police can't just gun strikers down in cold blood. The fact that you think there can only be 'state-capitalism' with CEO's deserving the millions... just shows you know nothing. You are a capitalist, and a c*cks*cker for the bosses and the rich, and their allies. You are an enemy of the working class!

      TheReasonableMan - 2012-08-17 14:23

      To those who are flogging the R4000 p/m issue, I think you should maybe put this in perspective. Or let me assist you.. That is R4000 on the lowest scale, which is after deductions (Pension, medical aid, housing). These things cost the company around another R5000 per person. So now we are looking at the lowest paid persons earning around R9000 per month. Not bad considering they don't even have Std.2 (Grade4). Trust me, I work with this every day. The problem is with the unions making their members believe that they are entitled to so much more.

      mike.wolf.125 - 2012-08-17 14:29

      @jacob - you are an arshole. simply and plain - no questions asked

      fussed.anderson - 2012-08-17 14:42

      @ Jacob, You go to the bank and put your ass on theline to start a business, if you fail you take the brunt and lose everything. if you make a seccess of it give every thing away to your workers. Then when they stuff up borrow again for them.

      moi.carla.1980 - 2012-08-17 14:51

      @Jacob - "The obvious 'alternative' would be to enable some workers' rights, and have social-democracy where the police can't just gun strikers down in cold blood." You conveniently continue to ignore the fact that the strikers were heavily armed and had already brutally murdered 2 policeman. Or does that not matter?

  • mzukisijola.jose1 - 2012-08-17 13:27

    Never this happen to the workers of this country even in the dark days of apartheid,shame on you phiyeng .defence my foot

      outrack.usp - 2012-08-17 13:59

      Selective memory?

      maokeng.mankge - 2012-08-17 14:05

      Phiyega need to grow sum hair..That was not self defence at all..

      logancyoung - 2012-08-17 14:38

      So you'd prefer that the police allowed the protesters to hack them to pieces? I don't know why the police had live ammunition, but their shooting was perfectly justified. Homicide is also justifiable when committed by any person in any of the following situations: 1. When resisting any attempt to murder, commit a felony, or to do great bodily injury upon any person; or 2. When committed in defense of habitation, property or person, at least in cases of violent felonies; or 3. When committed in defense of person, or of a wife or husband, parent, child, master, mistress, or servant of such person, at least in cases of violent felonies; or 4. When necessarily committed in attempting to apprehend any person for any felony, or in suppressing any riot, or in keeping and preserving the peace. The killer has to have a reasonable belief that he is in imminent danger of grievous bodily harm or death. Only then can the killing be legally justified. I'd say having 30-40 people charging at you with guns, machetes and spears qualifies.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-08-17 14:41

      Actually rooster, watch the footage again, they were def being charged. then watch from 2:00 where you see a cop removing a firearm from one of the deceased, both weapons stolen from the murdered cops were retrieved from the shootout... Self defence indeed.

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-08-17 14:52

      Had the police stood by while the workers (attackers) charges them with machetes & guns, it would have been much much worse, they would have hacked them to pieces, not to mention the local & international journalists that were filming behind the police. Imagine if that australian journalist from Al Jasera was hacked to death, huh. Also if the police were overrun & hacked to death, what message does this send out to other strikers, think man !!!

  • nonhlanhla.b.bhiya - 2012-08-17 13:28

    Can't believe this happened in our country

      TheyTookMyNickLaZynEko - 2012-08-17 13:59

      oh please man wake up, worse than this can happen anywhere globally!

      arm.witmens - 2012-08-17 14:25

      So if an armed gang in the US charges the police they will not open fire? Grow up moron.

      logancyoung - 2012-08-17 14:39

      It may interest you to know that this is a daily occurrence in countries like Palestine, Israel, Iraq and Afghanistan.

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-08-17 14:56

      Believe it, the warning signs have been up on the wall for some time now, we have been warning the people of SA since the coup at Polekwane, the ANC & its hangers on (ANCYL, Cosatu, SACP) have led the country down this path & now its time to pay the price.

      chadjason.wilson - 2012-08-17 14:59

      Watching the international news in Asia as this unfolds. It is being touted as a massacre and not being protrayed kindly. A few questions for clarity..... Did it really take an hour for an ambulance to arrive? Did the police really force the strikers into a corner? Did they really have to keep shooting for so long? (On the news here you get to see the police open fire and keep shooting and see the dead bodies strewn everywhere) Was everyone killed deserving of the death penalty? Over here it looks barbaric!

      james.weather.50 - 2012-08-17 15:01

      They weren’t charging they were being 'herded' watch this clip for another angle - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY22CdX_uOk - I would say it boils down to failed police tactics! Police need to get better training … And maybe a law that prohibits bringing weapons to a demonstration?

  • jacob.ndlovu.3 - 2012-08-17 13:30

    With so many cops, was it really necessary to use deadly force?! Did they even try tear gas, rubber bullets. Strategically it was horribly set up all due to police incompetence. If they felt threatened by knives then they could of stayed in the armoured vehicles. R4000 a month is peanuts to work in a mine where the ceo is making millions. Remember its hard labour working undergound in harsh environment.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-08-17 13:41

      They did try everything you mentioned if you actualyl read the article. View the footage closely and see bullets hitting the ground in front of police and then afterwards cops removing firearms next to the bodies...

      fussed.anderson - 2012-08-17 13:44

      @ PointBlank the bullets hit the groung because they cant shoot straight, remember they have had no training.

      malcolm.macleod.562 - 2012-08-17 13:47

      How can you comment without even reading the article? Inform yourself!

      outrack.usp - 2012-08-17 13:47

      Did you watch the video? Tear gas and non-lethal means were being used initially, live rounds only came into play when the crowd responded violently and began attacking the officers with firearms.

      dracolusus - 2012-08-17 14:01

      As point blank said, read the article. You'll see they actually were pleading to just put down the weapons. As a friend said when people were saying they should have used rubber bullets; "I didn't see them with rubber pangas". Also, 6 firearms recovered, one of the murdered cop. Them firing on the police...when I first saw it, i was horrified. Once I actually got more facts and re-watched the video and saw them fire first...my opinion has completely changed.

      carina.germishuizennicholson - 2012-08-17 14:04

      for u standing on the side line its easy to comment these miners came with deadly force towards the police made preperations not to die by the sangomas, and armed them selves to the teeth already brutalily hacked 2 officers and 5 civilians to death i would say the police reacted in accordence to there training to assure their safety, If u are willing to stand there while they stormed u , u can talk to them nicely and asked them to not stab,or cut, or burn or shoot u and maybe they will give u a hug. Well done SAPS

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-08-17 14:27

      Read the article. Can you not read?????

      richard.hipkin - 2012-08-17 14:43

      Rooster, watch the video on News24, at 2:00 you will see police recovering a firearm from one of the victims...

      logancyoung - 2012-08-17 14:43

      With dozens of angry protesters charging at you, intent to hack you to pieces, would you still have gone looking for teargas? They believed that there was a imminent danger to their lives and did what was necessary to defend themselves. Sure, probably shouldn't have used live rounds, but it's done. The police just responded to the situation. Those miners are dead now because they decided to run and attack the police.

      logancyoung - 2012-08-17 14:46

      @ fussed.anderson said "@ PointBlank the bullets hit the groung because they cant shoot straight, remember they have had no training." So that makes it okay? Firing a gun whether you are competent to do so or not constitutes using deadly force, whether it is in self defense or not. If I'm pointing a gun in your direction shooting wildly, are you going to risk the possibility that I could kill you or are you going to take the only action available to you at the time and take me out?

  • neil.swart - 2012-08-17 13:30

    Additional reinforcements are being sent to the area!! Sounds to me that this only started! Hope I am wrong, but the cops need to watch out now! Wish people would grow up! This lawless behaviour is doing nobody any good! That goes for the TUT students and the protesters in the Cape!

      mcebiseni.khumalo - 2012-08-17 13:39

      Neil, you wouldnt have said it any better mate. The other thing is you can not attack somebody with a slasher while he's armed with a riffle!! This is not Shaka's days, people must leanr to channel their nregotiations through the right channels, period!!!

  • eugene.duplessis.7 - 2012-08-17 13:36

    The head(s) of the mining union(s) should be arrested for murder.

      philip.buys.1 - 2012-08-17 13:55

      Arest the union bosses!!!!!!

  • jason.mcdonahugh - 2012-08-17 13:37

    I agree completely witht he police minister. the officers were swarmed it turned into an us or them situation and the police made a call. The protesters did not just have knives soem were armed with guns! Surely as a police officer if you are attacked you can fight back!

      fussed.anderson - 2012-08-17 13:47

      And what is the diff between the public been atacked in our homes?????????????????????

      jason.mcdonahugh - 2012-08-17 13:52

      your comment makes no sense?

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-17 14:11

      Jason, yes you can but not in the W.P then it is called police brutality speared on by Helen Zille.

      deon.louw.7505 - 2012-08-17 15:02

      I agree, the police was actually very patient for a few days after 10 people were murdered. I hope these protestors get 10 years at least.

  • spartanx93 - 2012-08-17 13:39

    guess the invincibility muti from the which doctor was faulty.....

      fussed.anderson - 2012-08-17 13:49

      So sue the witch doctor

  • smalefane - 2012-08-17 13:43

    I'm with the Police on this one. These miners are behaving like criminals. Union bosses are also inciting violence. Maximum forces is necessary when all other means have been exhausted. But it's very unfortunate that lives were lost.

  • rasthami.m1 - 2012-08-17 13:44

    Self defence with a 1000 of rounds fired!! Stun grenades ,rubber bullets, tear gas could have been used !

      jason.mcdonahugh - 2012-08-17 13:46

      Rubber bullets against someone shooting real bullets at you?

      malcolm.macleod.562 - 2012-08-17 13:52

      So quick to shoot off comments when clearly you have not even read the article or taken any other steps to inform yourself. Shame on you!

      DJVANMAN - 2012-08-17 13:55

      @Rasthami.m1 read the article idiot. Rubber bullet, teargas and water canon was used and then the protesters attacked forcing police to shoot back.

      rasthami.m1 - 2012-08-17 13:55

      Jason did you see any fire arms that the cops claim this protesters possessed ?

      DJVANMAN - 2012-08-17 13:59

      @rasthami.m1 obviously you didn't watch the news. On tv they showed how firearms were removed from the bodies.

      rasthami.m1 - 2012-08-17 14:01

      Two morons they were used the day before before you comment try using your peanuts brains!

      jason.mcdonahugh - 2012-08-17 14:04

      @rasthami.m1 prior to shooting off your mouth and making comments please learn the difference between "two" and "to".

      rasthami.m1 - 2012-08-17 14:07

      Djvanman you really are delusional -the only thing was visible was a crowd armed with spears and pangas who ran towards the police I don't know which knews you were watching

      rasthami.m1 - 2012-08-17 14:12

      Jason well I actually meant two idiots malcom and djvanman so prior doing some spell check -you should learn to question

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-17 14:14

      Rasthani, strange how they only had pangas and sticks first and one revolver and now the police are removing guns everywhere. Wonder how much planting went on during the night.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-08-17 14:55

      At 0:22 there is a miner shooting at cops, 2:00 cops remove a firearm from one of the deceased... rasthami, seriously dude, watch properly.

      rasthami.m1 - 2012-08-17 15:03

      @ point black try downloading this video on tubidy.mobi then you will clearly witness how it unfolded

      richard.hipkin - 2012-08-17 15:11

      rasthami, I have watched at least 4 different angles and I still see them shooting at cops first... the guns retrieved were those of the murdered cops.

  • dakey.ras.73 - 2012-08-17 13:44

    No-one understands South Africa and our protests. Sharpville was a peaceful protest? Yep, except when the two police dogs were burned alive. A policeman was killed the other day by these guys, now they're running around with weapons and expecting to peacefully run past these guys? Sorry, that's looking for trouble.

  • veldt66 - 2012-08-17 13:47

    Self defense? My ass! Just admit u guys mishandled this issue. Lack of leadership both political & at community level. Needless loss of life. R3000 a month working in a platinum mine? Pls people lets be real, that's just too k little.

      malcolm.macleod.562 - 2012-08-17 13:55

      While R3000 a month does indeed suck. Please answer me this, when a company can replace you completely with a robot that costs less to operate then your salary, or with one of thousands of other people who are currently earning R0 a month, should you not just be grateful that you have a job at all?

      DJVANMAN - 2012-08-17 13:57

      ok. so next time we will call you to go and stand infront of 2000 armed men and tell them peacefully to leave. when the come at you running and branding their weapons and even shooting, please stay standing and don't fight back.

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-08-17 14:23

      A low wage does not justify murder or attacking the SAPS. Do you have any moral compass at all, or are you just another confused soul?

      richard.hipkin - 2012-08-17 15:12

      Actually veldt66, it's 4,000-5,000 amonth

  • phathuchicos - 2012-08-17 13:47

    They deserve it...Next time they'll think twice. That's what you get when you bend democracy to the breaking point. I hope Lonmin cuts the AMCU members salary by 75% for one month or loose the jobs. How can you keep intimidating someone offering you a tax free R4200 a month while you don't even have metric...sic. Someone with a college degree and a grade 12 certificate is sitting at home or a standing in a Shoprite till the whole day while getting peanuts. Growth needed or Miners should start importing chinese.

      JohncarlosBiza - 2012-08-17 14:31

      Ironically the taxes from the mine go towards uplifting the lives of working class people like them

  • chris.booise - 2012-08-17 13:47

    You can't shoot at the police and think you can get away with it. What happened to peaceful protests?? No matter how angry or frustrated you are at your bosses, employers or whoever pays you, you don't go and shoot at the police. They will protect themselves and shoot back, because they can.

  • lebogang.ramagaga - 2012-08-17 13:49

    where the protesters posing immediate threat at the point of shooting? Was there no other means to make protesters to restrain? Are tear gases and rubber bullets not a possible means of tactical approach? I sense we are dealing here with trigger happy nuts police officers who enjoyed killing innocent protesters and ordinary civilians who passed by! They massacred them live where everybody saw and most of those who were doing the shooting are white police officers! Sies! This police officers must not lie, they were under no possible threat!

      jason.mcdonahugh - 2012-08-17 13:53

      READ THE ARTICLE! "Police played video footage of their efforts to disperse striking miners, including a series of negotiations and crowd-control tactics comprising of firing teargas, water cannons, stun grenades and rubber bullets."

      bheki.dingiswayo - 2012-08-17 14:01

      Everybody talked about protester charging towards the police- my take is that people were running away because of the tear gas and they did not think that the police were going to kill them. There were told to disperse but were not given a space/room to do so as the police had already surrounded them.

      mrpoele - 2012-08-17 14:07

      I was waiting for a comment like this. I only saw 2 white police officers in the video, now you are blaming whites. Did you see that all the medics were white? F'n idiot!

      Enki - 2012-08-17 14:09

      "and most of those who were doing the shooting are white police officers!" Why don't you remove your head out of your ass, maybe then you will be able to see clearly. I see 95% of the police being black in the video and all shooting.

      neil.swart - 2012-08-17 14:10

      Now let me answer some of your questions: Police handled the matter as follows: 1. Negotiations 2. Water cannons 3. Tear gas 4. Rubber bullets 5. Crowd charges SAP officers and fires live ammunition at SAP officers 6. SAP fires warning shots in the ground infront of charging mob 7. Crowd refuses to stop the attack 8. SAP officers fires live rounds directly at mob in self defence You still don't believe me? Watch the video again!! Oh, and when you watch the video again, count the amount of black officers shooting vs. the amount of white officers shooting!! This is not about race, but about police officers defending their own lives and protecting your racist arse!!!!!

      jaysonpaul.beckwith - 2012-08-17 14:18

      I don't know what video footage you were looking at?

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-08-17 14:21

      Fortunately you don't have to sense anything. Watch the video and read the reports. also, they were mostly Black police officers. Are you perhaps visually challenged as well?

      Watkykj - 2012-08-17 14:34

      Bheki....Shut up u tit! Police did there job! U are obviously a fan of lawlessness if u gonna defend thse strikers!

      derek.wright.7370 - 2012-08-17 14:44

      Idiot! I guess I was waiting for the race card!Look at the picture fool, and I blame our precious unions for all of this.

  • rikhoula.joy - 2012-08-17 13:53

    Without disrespecting the lost lives, but the way they were going on, they were gonna kill the police or sumone notin strike, so nobody to blame but themselves

  • philip.buys.1 - 2012-08-17 13:53

    What happened to the muti that made them invisible and brave? Cannot believe they fell for that nonsense. A certain sangoma is going to have a bleak future.

      pinkykagiso - 2012-08-17 14:11

      you speak as it if you r not a humanbeing,those people were fighting for their rights and thats doenst mean police should killed them like flies.its sad maybe ur relatives r thr.

      sphelele.genqese - 2012-08-17 14:23

      @p Y did they bring pangas? If they didn't want anything bad?

      moi.carla.1980 - 2012-08-17 14:57

      @pinky - were they fighting for their rights when they hacked two policeman to death and stole their weapons??

  • michael.pitt.100 - 2012-08-17 13:58

    i wish people would read first and then comment !!!!!! Police played video footage of their efforts to disperse striking miners, including a series of negotiations and crowd-control tactics comprising of firing teargas, water cannons, stun grenades and rubber bullets. In one video, an officer begged the miners to disperse, saying: "We are not here to arrest you, our only problem is with the weapons." so they didnt listen and got what was coming !! good on the police

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-17 14:18

      Michael, sorry I still remember the police movies from the old days, they weren't any different then the ones from today. I was on the receiving end.

  • senzo.gatsheni.1 - 2012-08-17 13:59

    I hate what the police have done, why inn a first place you remove people from a Mountain, they were suppose to protect the mine workers which are reporting for duty and arresting the criminals who killed the Innocent 2 police officers. if you have watch people rioting in Spain, Greece and France, etc, in Spain and Greece they even burned the buildings, In Egypt they even burned the police heard quarter but people were not killed like animals. The Police commissioner should resign after releasing this statement why is she protecting the police because the investigation is not even completed. So she is meaning the police are innocent.

  • Nickynudge - 2012-08-17 14:00

    'National police commissioner Riah Phiyega said on Friday that her forces opened fire in self-defence after coming under attack from armed mineworkers'. There needs to be an independent PUBLIC inquiry before the commissioner starts making FACT statements.

      brandon.stephenson.946 - 2012-08-17 14:13

      You know not waht you speak of !

      richard.hipkin - 2012-08-17 15:13

      So we all really didn't see them shooting at the police, it's all in our imagination!

  • wil.kapstok - 2012-08-17 14:01

    Well done SAPS, law and order should prevail in this country - hopefully this sends a message to all unions that any strike weher property or people are threatened will be dealt with accordingly. 4 innocent people have been slaughtered by these strikers - 2 guards & 2 policemen. Hopefully this Sangoma Toi - toi culture willnow be eradicated.

  • phillip.phogole - 2012-08-17 14:02

    Tomorrow is her son or daughter she must not cry

  • peter.brink.927 - 2012-08-17 14:02

    Jacob. Seriously? Yes, they negotiated, they used water cannons, they used teargas and rubber bullets. Try standing still when a group of men come running at you, knowing they hacked to death two of your colleagues. Try running away, knowing that if they catch you, they will probably beat you to death. You are a policeman, you are armed, they know that, they still come running at you, what are you going to do? Negotiate? Ask Nicely? Spray some water? In the heat of the moment facing them running at you, scared for your life (yes, cops are allowed to be scared and feel emotions). If it was me, I would only stop shooting when my bullets ran out.

  • lmanonose - 2012-08-17 14:03

    Its really sad that this demo ended up with loss of lives.Questions must be asked about what were the objectives of the armed demonstrators charging against the police.I have seen demonstrations in my life but I never saw the demonstrators shooting at the Police ,up until now at that mine.Surely the Union Leaders failed in their Duty of Care to their members if they failed to rein them in against shooting at the Police.Maybe the demo was leaderless judging by the way the demonstrators behaved.Its shame that people have to resort to senseless violence to send their message,which ultimately ended in unintended consequences.

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-17 14:05

    Phiyega was safely in her office, so what does she know?. Another parrot chirping away.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-08-17 15:14

      Look in the mirror..

  • Maria - 2012-08-17 14:06

    Seen the Video - OMG - never seen something like that - That was WAR!!!

  • brandon.stephenson.946 - 2012-08-17 14:10

    I am 100% behind the Police on this issue . It is about time that the public in South Africa realise that the Police are not some Government White Elephant Department . This kind of anti social behaviour is not tollerable in our society and killing and threatening Police Officers is unacceptable and should be dealt with severly ! I solute those officers that were there ! WELL DONE !

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-17 14:20

      Brandon yet that same anti social behaviour is happening in the Cape and the ANC and the ANCYL stir up the fires. Apparently when you create a mess against the DA everything is permissable.

      brandon.stephenson.946 - 2012-08-17 14:27

      @ Jacqui : You are missing the point here . Those Policemen in Rustenburg were threatened and charged at by men brandishing traditional weapons and firearms . Is that acceptable to you ? They acted on those actions in self defence .

  • maokeng.mankge - 2012-08-17 14:10

    Phiyega need to grow some hair clearly she doesn't have idea in the SAPS.Self defence my aSs

      Watkykj - 2012-08-17 14:29

      Yea u are soo right. Retaliating when getting attacked with knob kierries, pungus and getting shot at is obviously not self defence! Stop putting stupid comments like yours on u fanny!

      maokeng.mankge - 2012-08-17 16:33

      You talking rubbish

  • pitso.dlungwana - 2012-08-17 14:11

    guys 44 lives have been lost how many children lost thy parent? dn u will complain about corruption whn those chldrn are old in enough with nthng on d table dn dy will commit crime, police are 105 % wrng by killng ppl evn those shot at dm thy are nt criminals, crimals are wrking free in ds country bt innocent ppl are gttng killed for earning peanuts wt u cn do wth R4000 a mnth while CEO's n exctve are earng millions.sisagcinazelekila thina bantu abamnyama kulelizwe nd our gvr is lettng us down.

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-08-17 14:18

      Not innocent people - they chose violence. Wrong choice.

  • wesley.wallace.988 - 2012-08-17 14:12

    WELL DONE SAPS!!!! YOU DID A KICK ASS JOB!

      brandon.stephenson.946 - 2012-08-17 14:28

      Amen!

  • Michael - 2012-08-17 14:12

    I think it is high time for people to understand that the 'RIGHT TO LIFE' can be lost if there is no responsibility to upheld it, Police must NOT die while they are given Guns paid by our tax. A Job well done! Criminals must be stopped at all cost!

      Watkykj - 2012-08-17 14:20

      @thabo. The guys who attacked and hacked 2 policeman to death in the first place!! U moron!

      Michael - 2012-08-17 14:37

      Thabo, a criminal is anyone who try to shoot at police while they are maintaining order! Do you have balls?

      magomarele - 2012-08-17 14:58

      fully agree with you. I think police did a very good work here. Those people were thugs and police had to stop them.

  • freddied - 2012-08-17 14:13

    do you expect police to run away?

  • BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-08-17 14:15

    Reading some of the reaction here, it is no wonder we are such a backward and primitive country in some respects. Frightening how some people interpret the Law and how they can't distinguish between right and wrong.

  • nkosi.khumalo.33 - 2012-08-17 14:16

    can people please stop acting like saints, did they expect the police to just stand by and wait for these criminals to attack them? yes, the police enjoy my undivided support, shoot the criminal bastards, shoot to kill

  • lucky.luck.98 - 2012-08-17 14:16

    General Phiyega are you not ashamed?armoured vehicle,water tankers rubber bullets that was enough.R5 rifle less than 10 meters that is a war.

      brandon.stephenson.946 - 2012-08-17 14:32

      They waged war against the Police first . If you can dish it out you must be willing to take what comes back at you !

  • didi.oliveira.75 - 2012-08-17 14:18

    You kill the people as if you were killing mosquitos, south africans you are the shame of AFRICA, you still far from sivilization. Every year must be a blood shad in this country why???????

      malcolm.macleod.562 - 2012-08-17 14:37

      In all fairness compared to e.g. the Rwanda genocides this is nothing at all. So your comment comes off as a tad ignorant at best.

  • cfobia.tshavhu - 2012-08-17 14:20

    Is this how strikers or rioters gets dealt with? Pure brutality. Incompetence Force. This is our fathers you blew away like flies.

      klipkop.degroote - 2012-08-17 14:29

      Here is this the meaning of the word rioter - "troublemaker who participates in a violent disturbance of the peace; someone who rises up against the constituted authority."

      sydney.matubandlela - 2012-08-17 14:29

      Really now? And the police officers don't have families? You are crazy! The police acted appropriately, the blame should be put on the union leaders, they must take full responsibility! People must just stop being emotional about this issue, and use your brains, they were armed and attacked a fully armed force who responded as they have been trained!!!

      Blizzard - 2012-08-17 14:35

      O really. Let me ask you a question... A group of 100 people attack you by shooting at you and the also have knives and sticks and they want to kill you. You have a gun. What would you do? Get your facts straight.

  • michael.duplessis.71 - 2012-08-17 14:22

    The police should act, SA society became like this: \We can do anything to anyone\. We cant, there should be law and order. If the police didnt feel threatened in anyway this would not have happenned. SA society should be blamed and NOT the police.

  • ronnie.duplessis.7 - 2012-08-17 14:22

    If we as South Africans still had respect for the Law and not at every opportunity try and challenge it. The deaths of the people involved could have been avoided. There are too many South Africans who think that they can change things by using force and by intimidating other people. The Lonmin protesters were their own worst enemy. It is also clear that there is a force behind the protest that cost the people there lives. We are in a very serious situation and I am pleased to see that our Police Force are at least not going to stand back and be intimidated.

  • samuelk.mohlakoana - 2012-08-17 14:23

    Eish i just feeling very terrified by dis mascre by the police i dnt support them But these pple wer gona hack these police men as they did last week wen police were being soft to them and shame to those two police men nd security guards who wer there to put the bread on their tables. Lonmin and strickers are the accountable pple behind these bcoz low wages lead to these and being sturbon doesnt help.

  • mbonyathi - 2012-08-17 14:26

    so if one person in a group of a 100+ or so fired at the officers do they have to shoot a 100 pple so to get to the 1st shooter...

      brandon.stephenson.946 - 2012-08-17 14:38

      Have you ever been in a situation like that ? Would you stand fast and let that "alleged" one person harm or kill you or your fellow officers ?? I think not . You need to rethink your statement . I seriously doubt that there were very amny if any "innocent people" there . They ALL clearly charge the police in the video . Is this acceptable ??????

      richard.hipkin - 2012-08-17 15:17

      Which of the 100 is shooting at you?? Are there more? Are you gonna stand there and wait to see who it is?? Seriously!! Comeon guy, think furhter then just flashes.

  • jessica.l.moller.1 - 2012-08-17 14:27

    I agree with the cops! I mean all these people that say why call the cops they don't do anything? Now they doing something and now they must be suspended? What about the cops lives that were taken? Hacked to death on Monday already? The two security guards that were burnt to death on Saturday? The 3 workers that were hacked to death too??? Where are these peoples justice?? Who will be held accountable for their deaths??? Cops have rights too!!!

  • arthur.motsamai - 2012-08-17 14:28

    Killing is killing, nothing else to justify it. Question is are we sayin police should be killed by panga wilding thugs? People what do we say about ppl an police killed by strikers den did they have to die? Police have families and are human too, do we say they should stand and be killed?

      thabo.p.m - 2012-08-17 14:38

      motsamai who are thugs? batho bao ba bereka ka thata and on top of that ga ba bone madi a bonalang so tlogela go dirsa ditapole go nagala or o tlogele go nna nku and start talking you views eseng go kgatlisa batho ba bangwe ke bagaetsho batho ba ba bolailweng bao nxa!

      arthur.motsamai - 2012-08-17 14:48

      O bolela hore hao patalwa hanyane otlamenha hore batho babang basee mosebetsing? If u want to strike do it alone n y do u carry arms den? Ntate be fair police were killed too, n dose police ke batho baborona. Stop being naive ntate thugs r thugs. M not well paid but i wont do what this guys do.

  • mike.wolf.125 - 2012-08-17 14:30

    The polics should have shot all the strikers - plenty more waiting in the wings for the jobs - simply and plain - shoot the fu?kers

      brandon.stephenson.946 - 2012-08-17 14:39

      A little over the top !

      dimitripappas - 2012-08-17 14:40

      That's a nice way to solve the problem? They shot the idiots who tried to storm them with pangas,spears, rocks and pistols. Big difference from shooting the ones who are trying to negotiate peacefully. Don't be pathetic

  • pieter.mynhardt.9 - 2012-08-17 14:31

    so how is this different from sharpeville?

      arthur.motsamai - 2012-08-17 14:35

      Fool ppl in sharpvile did not carry arms, and they had dif agendas. Shut up...

  • tuwanir - 2012-08-17 14:31

    Lack of leadership by the unions and the intrasigience of the mineworkers are responsible for this bloodbath. Please, don't blame the police.

  • sipho.masilela2 - 2012-08-17 14:31

    Police ar nt de only peoples 2 be blamed,also the miners should be held responsible 4 ths massacre...y people hv 2 protest wth weapons in their hands?are they fightng or protesting

  • poppy.thengwayo - 2012-08-17 14:33

    How funny it is that SA know too much of their rights,are police not human,don't they have rights like the rest of us.If the strikers killed the police were we going to comment,we are adults,I believe the strikers they aimed to kill,they killed two police before,no comments made,why now blame the police

      jessica.l.moller.1 - 2012-08-17 14:38

      I agree 110 % cops do have rights too! I want to know what the other people would of done that are saying they wrong I think it's self defense!

  • thulanin1 - 2012-08-17 14:34

    the lives of police officers is not taken into account? what should there do if their lives are threatened like that? the issue of striking with weapons should be discouraged by unions at all cost.

      tumelo.mabua - 2012-08-17 15:07

      we all know that the unions condone violent protests. They should have settled this matter a long time ago.

  • thabo.p.m - 2012-08-17 14:35

    looks like most of the people here are prasing the police for shooting at mine workers who are now called criminals, i will tell you who are criminals people on the board with suits that give temselves millions or bonuses but still say the company has no money i am going to laugh my ass off the next time police don't do their job so to say if this happen to whites/farmers they will be soo much to say about how police can't do their job just wait for it. most fo you here never workied on a mine or know the harshness of working underground unless you do you better shutup!

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-08-17 14:37

      You might be right about the pay issue, I made a similar comment on another page. However, this is not justification to murder people and attack the police. Is this too hard to understand?

      maokeng.mankge - 2012-08-17 15:21

      Lyk I said on my comment that their are celebrating