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Miners to lay murder charges against police

2012-10-07 22:07

Johannesburg - Representatives of 12 000 fired Anglo American Platinum workers will lay murder charges after a colleague was killed in clashes with police, a leader said.

"What we want to do tomorrow [Monday] is to open a case against the SAPS," said George Tyobela, a worker representative.

A man workers identified as Mtshunquleni Qakamba, 48, died when police fired rubber bullets and teargas to disperse a gathering on a hill on an Anglo American Platinum (Amplats) mine in Rustenburg on Thursday.

"They shot against the people ... until they killed one of our colleagues," Tyobela told AFP.

The charges included "not only murder, but also attempted murders".

"Employees weren't fighting, they were just sitting on the hill," he said.

Authorities have not confirmed the man's identity or cause of death, but colleagues said he had worked at the mine's Bleskop shaft.

The Independent Police Investigative Directorate has meanwhile taken over the investigation "as the incident appeared to have arisen from police action", police said in a statement.

A day after the death Amplats, the world's top platinum producer, formally dismissed 12 000 of 28 000 striking workers following disciplinary hearings.

Workers had downed tools on 12 September demanding wages of R16 070 - more than double what some earn.

On Saturday around 1 500 people gathered at the hill where the clashes happened to commemorate Qakamba.

Vowing to fight for higher wages, the worker representatives will meet with government mediators on Monday about their demands, but not to discuss their sacking, Tyobeka said.

"Tomorrow [Monday]  we don't want to mention the issue of dismissal. Dismissal is an issue of management," he said.

Wildcat strikes have spread across South Africa's mining sector as workers reject their conventional union structures.

Lonmin, the world's third largest platinum producer, gave strikers pay rises of up to 22% in September after 46 people were killed in violence, including 34 shot by police in a single day, during six weeks of illegal work stoppages.

Comments
  • lekkeperd.chevyss - 2012-10-07 22:19

    Bla bla bla bla........... Get back to work, you need money to live. Not clever stories.

      darren.raath.5 - 2012-10-08 05:13

      this when they need to charge that mampara juju for incitement and murder.this is his doing.

      Sharon Gien-Cambier - 2012-10-08 06:23

      but wait a minute, havent these mineworkers been fired? If so, then they are trespassing....or am i thinking of the other mine?

      willie.botha.9480 - 2012-10-08 07:37

      The said in a previous statement they will fight to the death. Why are they complaining now ? Idiots ...

      mfrater - 2012-10-08 08:07

      "Employees weren't fighting, they were just sitting on the hill," he said. I very, very much doubt that to be true. These thugs have proven what type of lawless animals they are already. The police are also already under huge scrutiny based on the Marikana story, so again I say I very much doubt the SAPS just started shooting these guys at short range while they were 'just sitting on the hill'. More likely they were acting like ... oh wait.

      johan.fou - 2012-10-08 08:21

      (Since they want the whole pie, and not just a slice...) You know what? Maybe they should nationalize the mines. Now, before you start responding with some hate speech, hear me out. We all know that the mines (and probably the major part of the economy) will fold, but that is short term and the sooner the better. Look at what happened when they started giving farms "back to the rightful owners). My uncle was a "willing seller" for R12m. The "liberated" idiots ran that farm into the ground in less than a year. My uncle (grinning wide), then bought back his farm for R2.5m. We all know nationalization is a horrible idea, but the sooner we get them to destroy themselves, the sooner we can get this country back on track. (And make a few million in the process.)

      jeanette.herbst - 2012-10-08 08:29

      Totally agree Johan, if they are given enough rope they will hang themselves.

  • hudayfah.newman - 2012-10-07 22:26

    Bwahaaahahahahahaaahahahaha! Weren't they the ones on an illegal strike?

      ivan.goodman.77 - 2012-10-07 23:10

      So if you on an illegal strike, you deserve to die, just wondering?

      raymond.buis.3 - 2012-10-07 23:50

      @Ivan. Nope you don't, but you must also understand the police did not use live ammo they used rubber bullets. Which normally is a non lethal form of crowd control. It was an accident. These things happen . But maybe if they left when the police asked it would nothave happened.

      lsfreak - 2012-10-08 00:50

      A rubber bullet is lethal up to 15m if shot at the ground first furtherthan 25m if not. The rubber bullet is not just a large piece of rubber you know this of cause...

      darren.raath.5 - 2012-10-08 05:15

      ivan you are such a knob.these guys are unruly and extremely violent. why dont you go spend a day with them to see what it is like. if they do things which get them killed its their own fault.

      andre.vandeventer.16 - 2012-10-08 07:20

      Ivan, have you been following the events since 12 September. You are excused if you have just entered SA from abroad, but if you had followed you are ignorant of the truth!

  • nhlanhla.mahlangu.7393 - 2012-10-07 22:30

    aaaggg axe dis union tins dey're insignificant! money dis, money dat, tjo dese workers dey don't wana b fire, hows dat posible?

      alansmartSnr - 2012-10-08 01:10

      ..@ nhlanhla.mahlangu.7393 ....Magereth Thatcher had the same problem about 20 years ago. She and her cabinet refused to budge and let the Unions go ahead with their strikes. There was chaos for a few weeks, after which the population got so pissed off and the members went broke, houses, cars and furniture got repossesed and members disserted the Unions. They have never had a strike since and the Unions became totaly disfunctional. That is what we need here. Someone with the balls to call their bluff and be resolute enough to stand their ground and show these union members that they are servants of the public. Pity though that "hangdick showerhead" seems to have been castrated.. he definitely does not have the balls to pull this off. Their purse seems more important than the education of our youth. I rest my case! Oh how I love this country with all its clowns and never a dull moment

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-10-08 05:10

      The unions are in trouble showing no capability of leadership or proper support for their members.Its not about just taking the money...They have to give too.

      tw2066 - 2012-10-08 07:03

      Wht th fk r u trin 2 say?

  • heathway.master - 2012-10-07 22:37

    The police were given full authorization by their commander to use rubber bullets. This is a worldwide accepted method of dealing with strikers who themselves only have murder and violence on their minds. Why the police do not use bird shot, is a mystery to me. This must be one of the best non-lethal methods of breaking up militant protesters. The impression I am getting is that it all would be absolutely fine if policeman were killed in their line of duty, but never ever those that initiated all the violence in the first place. The law clearly states that any individual is permitted to defend himself commensurate with the threat he feels his own life is under. If 40 policeman had died at Marikana rather than the murderous strikers, I suppose all would have then been totally acceptable to this scum of the earth. The videos show that the police front line was about to be overrun, when the police opened up to protect the lives of their comrades. The way the police have acted in this period of anarchy the country is going through, can only be commended, and they have my complete and full respect. Rather 1 200 of this low life dead, than one single policeman.

  • renier.lubbe.7 - 2012-10-07 22:41

    Absurd!!! The police was enforcing the law and they will conduct an internal investigation.

  • aiazmir - 2012-10-07 22:55

    A government that kills its owns citizens is not fit to rule. That's the bottom line.

      ivan.lockett.5 - 2012-10-07 23:05

      Citizens should at all times abide by the law. Illegal strikes are just that illegal. Unfortunate that it happened. I personally blame the government for not crushing the unions when they could.

      ivan.goodman.77 - 2012-10-07 23:55

      And the previous gov was fit to rule ? remember june 16. This is not about who is fit to rule people are being killed, two wrongs don't make a right.

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-10-08 04:59

      This is why the miners must take the protest to the govt at Nkandla. Police are controlled by Nkandla.Govt is dong nothing to sort this out. today they will mess around with the E toll saga while the country burns.

      beverly.young3 - 2012-10-08 06:34

      What planet are you living on?

      william.letsong.5 - 2012-10-08 07:50

      ivan.goodman Ag pls don't compare 1976 with 2012 because back then, people had no rights and were killed by a government... you know the story. Today we are living in a democratic society where we have rights. One of those rights is the right to strike PEACEFULLY. The Jacob Zuma administration is laughing with these thugs. Our country is in a mess. When last did you check the exchange rate which have a direct impact on the fuel price which again affects our food and transport prices. Not to mention the downgrade last week etc... So are you suggesting that government allow these violent morons to kill those who wants to work? Should government allow them to march through our streets with traditional weapons threatening everyone in their way? Are you? Get out of that dumbhut that you call home and start thinking ahead. Oh and Dumb Observer... Let me not go there.

      edward.d.beesley - 2012-10-08 07:59

      Well put, William.

      frikdt - 2012-10-08 08:01

      @william.letsong.5: My thoughts exactly.

  • koos.vandermerwe.338 - 2012-10-07 22:56

    And the country goes downhill......fast!!

  • crracker.crackerr - 2012-10-07 23:16

    From the videos made available and the actions of the muti-man and his followers in preparing for a fight it seemes like an open declaration of war against the state and the country took place. In such a war niceties are actually irrelevant. They should be thankful they found themselves in South Africa and not in some other countries. Think Zimbabwe, North Korea, Cuba, China. The USA even. Don't even expand to the Middle Eastern countries or Pakistan and India. We cannot allow the livelihood and other essential services to be disrupted no matter what the grievances. The rest of this country must not be allowed to perish. Why must the locals and the luckily employed be allowed all the benefits out or a mine that just happens to be situated in their backyard? What about the rest of the country? Pay the workers their outrageous demands and there is simply so much less available to the State in taxes and social grants and the shareholders in the mines. Destroy the shareholders and nothing will be left of the mining industry. Wonder in any event how nationalization will work. Which trade union will demand what positions and how much of the proceeds out of the mine. But we will see how events unfold.

      alansmartSnr - 2012-10-08 01:07

      ..@ Cracker Well said..Magereth Thatcher had the same problem about 20 years ago. She and her cabinet refused to budge and let the Unions go ahead with their strikes. There was chaos for a few weeks, after which the population got so pissed off and the members went broke, houses, cars and furniture got repossesed and members disserted the Unions. They have never had a strike since and the Unions became totaly disfunctional. That is what we need here. Someone with the balls to call their bluff and be resolute enough to stand their ground and show these union members that they are servants of the public. Pity though that "hangdick showerhead" seems to have been castrated.. he definitely does not have the balls to pull this off. Their purse seems more important than the education of our youth. I rest my case! Oh how I love this country with all its clowns and never a dull moment

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-10-08 08:53

      The miners should claim against the muti man for a dud prroduct and collateral damage.

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2012-10-08 00:34

    The policeman are paid from my taxes and they have my permission to kill these criminals.

      beverly.young3 - 2012-10-08 06:43

      The policemen are simply people trying to do their job. Imagine how scared they have been? I am sorry about the death of the miner, he too had a family, but what was he doing there in the first place? Mob rule?? Many of us perhaps? have had sons in the security force? I have, when my son was doing his army training...eish...he used to relate awful things, he was traumatised (?) at times by the mob force when he had to patrol Soweto in the old days. I get so angry at the headlines....all the time I am wondering where is the bloody president? or anyone for that matter...more imnportantly, what are we going to do?

  • gary.doyle.520 - 2012-10-08 05:56

    Everything is counter productive in this country right now!!

  • leon.coetzee.547 - 2012-10-08 06:00

    hahaahahahahahahahahahah

  • Forest Gump - 2012-10-08 06:00

    these miners have been threatening violence now that one of dead they want to lay complaint at police wtf

  • Teuneman - 2012-10-08 06:23

    The happenings of the last couple of months with mine strikes will go into the Ripley's believe it or not vault.

  • vivian.harris.73 - 2012-10-08 06:34

    Lmfao....didn't these idiots state something or other that they would contiinue to strike to the death? Now they crying like bitches again. Their Muti again not working?

      vivian.harris.73 - 2012-10-08 06:39

      Fired miners promise to fight to the death....that was the headline last week. U get what u ask for.

  • brionyl.french - 2012-10-08 06:43

    And you hacked to death how many police? and how many of your own people as you call them... You cant use the law to get what you want and aswell as break the law to get what you want... These idiots need an education!!! Oh and best everyone get your passports ready to leave South Africa, These blacks are losing the plot and turning on there own friends. My black mom who is 70 said she has never seen such things in her life and is embarressed to be South African when she sees her own people killing their own friends.

      william.letsong.5 - 2012-10-08 08:08

      Some dumb stupid News24 commentators don't have an idea what this mean. I understand your mom's fears, because I'm also living in fear and so does each and everyone who comment on this site. We don't have a president and the ANC is rather worried about who their next leader will be, e-tolling and Zuma's Inkandla homestead. I'm considering emigrating to Ghana. The economy there is growing and the Cede is almost equivalent to the US$. I'm asking myself how is it possible that we still vote according to skin colour? Other African nations are getting ahead of us whilst we South Africans allow this government to screw us all. Isn't it time that we do away with race and work together as S Africans and get rid of the ANC?

  • Modikoe.Elias.Ramongana - 2012-10-08 07:07

    Some1 reported the incident 2 George.But my common sense tells me that they(miners)did something that let 2 the police shooting them.Wake up George,this is S Africa

  • mario.wanza.5 - 2012-10-08 07:07

    Judging by the comments we are in big trouble, ridiculing the miners is an indication of how polarised our society is. The issue not being spoken about are the inequalities and white greed which ultimately leads to violence. The luxury and comfort of the few is under threat

      vivian.harris.73 - 2012-10-08 07:16

      U mean black greed. The ANC has stakes in these mines. The ANC and its members are living in luxury while the rest of the population live in poverty. Don't keep blaming the white man. Your own black government is f***ing you over.

      Nigel - 2012-10-08 07:21

      No that's only one aspect. What we're also dealing with here is the direct confrontation with the SAPS and defiance of Law and Order. The reason and right to strike does not supersede Law and Order. Having a Democracy (highly debatable) and being 'free' does not mean you can do whatever you like. One still has an obligation to behave in a civil, orderly and responsible manner like a decent human being. If one chooses not to, then don't cry when you get hurt.

      anton.cameron.muller - 2012-10-08 07:25

      The miners have the constitutional right to resign to look for better pay. They seem to forget this with great regularity.

      deon.louw.7505 - 2012-10-08 09:38

      Greed has no colour and miners were also greedy in thinking they can get such a big increase. The miners must go and look for a job at another mine or another industry.

  • mario.wanza.5 - 2012-10-08 07:27

    @ Vivian, no I mean white greed which is practiced by the black elite. They speak like white people, they dress like them, they are even trying to look like them, just take some time and observe them, watch the news, adverts and you will see how hard they are trying to behave like white greed, they are white greed

      george.slade.161 - 2012-10-08 07:54

      I think you mean they are trying to get Civilised ! Take your Goatskins off and grow up !

      edward.d.beesley - 2012-10-08 08:08

      Mario, don't think you can call it 'white greed', but I think I know what you're talking about - it's the life that's promised through mass media and marketing, i.e. materialism, and is accelerated by the global village effect. The 'good life' is in our faces everywhere, advertised on billboards, TV, papers, celebs, politicians, etc. and the strong suggestion is that it is easily obtainable and that everybody has right to it, and should be living "the dream" and if you aren't then there's something wrong with you. Children want to grow up with all these things, and adults feel inadequate and bitter by not being able to acquire and provide - lot's of anger, lot's of dissatisfaction - just my 5c worth ...

      deon.louw.7505 - 2012-10-08 09:40

      The rest of Afican leaders are also greedy, look at the Mugabes. They surely did not learn that from the colonials? Grace Mugabe have +- 3000 pairs of shoes.

  • douglas.reid.921 - 2012-10-08 07:30

    If, in any country in the world, you confront the law enforcement authorities with weapons, you will get shot. Why should it be different here??? Wake up, if you don't its going to happen again. There is a big difference between murder and self defense. Somehow there's a notion that if you want something you can legitimately kill for it but nothing must be done in retaliation.

  • bmaestro - 2012-10-08 07:36

    FIRING 12 000 WORKERS IS UNETHICAL

      gerald.parker.3956 - 2012-10-08 07:52

      Please tell me why

      anton.cameron.muller - 2012-10-08 07:56

      If every company had balls this big the unions would disapper...

      george.slade.161 - 2012-10-08 07:57

      Good Spelling --now try Disingenious ! Presume running around with Pangas preventing Law Abiding citizens working/Burning trucks and killing Policemen IS Ethical ? Its under "E" in the Dictionary --look it up . Plonker .

      deon.louw.7505 - 2012-10-08 09:43

      The mine bosses followed the labour laws to the letter, only mistake they made was to do this only after 4 weeks.

      Steven Trollip - 2012-10-08 20:14

      No its good news

      Steven Trollip - 2012-10-08 20:15

      No its good news

  • robert.starke.98 - 2012-10-08 07:57

    All this Labour unrest is an excuse for a holiday, get back to work !! Furthermore the Police are doing what they are supposed to do. No sympathy !!

  • johan.fou - 2012-10-08 08:21

    You know what? Maybe they should nationalize the mines. Now, before you start responding with some hate speech, hear me out. We all know that the mines (and probably the major part of the economy) will fold, but that is short term and the sooner the better. Look at what happened when they started giving farms "back to the rightful owners). My uncle was a "willing seller" for R12m. The "liberated" idiots ran that farm into the ground in less than a year. My uncle (grinning wide), then bought back his farm for R2.5m. We all know nationalization is a horrible idea, but the sooner we get them to destroy themselves, the sooner we can get this country back on track. (And make a few million in the process.)

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-10-08 08:48

      Tend to agree there..There are no believers in the Prophets village though. Are the white farmers going to be the the major food vendors at Manguang. Hope the business goes to Black farmers only . If there are any that is . Or is the fod coming from Harrods?

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-10-08 08:49

      Food that Is

  • nyameko.ngcolomba - 2012-10-08 08:53

    That is totally deplorable to k!ll innocent souls bcz of confronting law enforcement, wht they sapposed to do whn they feel dejected of brutally battered by miners.\Anglo Platinum\ it is not the right decision to dismiss 12 000 workers tht is to drop down our economy, pls re-instate th workers immediately bcz Platinum is our mineral source.

  • peter.jefferies.90 - 2012-10-08 09:00

    Good work SAPS you have my support!! Now just fire the other 12 000 works and have SAPS escort them far away from any civilised area and leave them there!!

  • Maude - 2012-10-08 14:54

    yes, let them go to work they need money we understand their frustration but the is a way of dissatisfaction, go-slow, picketing. workers think of your kids if you loose your jobs, wors part unemployemnt rate is too high and you want to add.

  • christopher.collings.9 - 2012-10-09 06:35

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

  • claire.baatjes - 2012-10-11 15:21

    The Unions should be held responsible for this entire debacle... arrest them!

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