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Miners try to gather at scene of shoot-out

2012-08-17 19:01

Johannesburg - Several hundred men have begun to gather at the outskirts of a rocky outcrop at the Lonmin mine in Rustenburg on Friday afternoon after 34 armed protesters were shot there this week.

According to reports at the scene, the men held a meeting inside a nearby village earlier in the afternoon.

After their meeting the men tried to make their way to a hill where a shootout occurred between protesting mineworkers and police on Thursday.

However, the men were cut off by the police. They eventually kept their distance at the edge of the village.

After the men emerged, a group of women who were protesting against the police in the afternoon began to take off their clothes.

"They are showing the police that they are not afraid of them and that they don't have respect for them anymore," Mmatshepiso Mohlomi, one of women at the scene said.

The group of women sang: "I have given birth to a child and the police have killed him".

Several helicopters circled the area throughout the day.

Comments
  • wendy.schneider3 - 2012-08-17 19:07

    more people will die.... go home and thank GOD your'e still alive

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-08-17 19:42

      jajaja, I think you are right. This is not over. The sangomas have not run out of Muti yet.

  • hcduplessis - 2012-08-17 19:08

    Oh please!! just give it up already,yes you gave birth to a boy who most probaly killed a policeman last week.

      jan.vanrensburg.988 - 2012-08-17 19:12

      A "boy" ?

      Nomaswazi Mahlangu - 2012-08-17 19:28

      You are so heartless!

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-08-17 23:37

      Nomaswazi ~ Not heartless at all, just plain GATVOL!

  • ziphok1 - 2012-08-17 19:23

    We must not forget that this people are responsible for the death of ten people including 2 policemen. Was they peacefull protesting? I think not. I stand by the man in blue.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-08-17 20:36

      @Ziphok ~ Fully agree with you. This Riah chick is the best cop that's been in charge since cANCer took over.

      jaysonpaul.beckwith - 2012-08-17 21:37

      I've been in a situation where about 60 of us faced off with a very angry panga, assagai and knopkierie wielding mob of about a 1000 advanced towards us. Let me tell you that there are very few things more scary. The SAPS stood there ground. And in that situation,,acted accordingly.

  • Jericodelafinca - 2012-08-17 19:24

    It seems police were better behaved during the tenure of General Bheki Cele. These trigger happy cops should be sent to Robben island for hard labour.

      tobie.vangreunen - 2012-08-17 20:21

      why Jerico ? because they didnt back down to people out to harm or kill them ? if you ever get in to a situation where you need to call the police please tell the person on the other side not to shoot the murderer/rapist or hijacker because its "wrong" to shoot at someone threatening someone elses life

      mundu.olewega - 2012-08-17 21:38

      They are not so cockey today, are they? Nothing like 5.56mmFMJ to get your mind right. Today they send their wives to do a strip show for the cops. How F'edup is that?

  • derekneilmaclachlan - 2012-08-17 19:27

    The police should have stepped in earlier and shot to kill to break up this armed struggle. If the workers are not happy with their jobs...solution is simple find another one....GOOD ON YOU SAPS.....FINALLY YOU ARE SHOWIN G SOME BALLS!!!

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-08-17 20:59

      @Derek ~ Spot on! They did a good job, only it took them too long to act.

      pierre.fourie.94 - 2012-08-17 21:55

      @Jan...wake up man,do u realy think people take You serious...i will even give u my tel no, and what can u do... just sit and tipe. Do the world a favour...crawl back into your cage and keep your hands of your keyboard, this is africa, the polise did what they were trained to do, they were fired upon by the protesters...i would have done the same

      Johan De Beer - 2012-08-18 10:20

      Jan, exactly what is your agenda? Obviously not the truth.

  • andrie.langa - 2012-08-17 19:28

    MY CONDOLENCE TO THOSE WHO LOST THEY LOVED ONES,BUT I DONT THINK THE SAPS SHOULD RUN FROM THE MOBS,COMMON GUYS.THE BEST WAYS WAS TO SHOT TO SAVE THEY LIFES FINISH AND KLAA!!!

  • marius.jansevanrensburg.5 - 2012-08-17 19:30

    The Sharpeville Massacre occurred on 21 March 1960, at the police station in the South African township of Sharpeville in the Transvaal(today part of Gauteng). After a day of demonstrations, at which a crowd of black protesters far outnumbered the police, the South African police opened fire on the crowd, killing 69 people. Sources disagree as to the behaviour of the crowd; some state that the crowd were peaceful, while others state that the crowd had been hurling stones at the police, and that the shooting started when the crowd started advancing toward the fence around the police station. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharpeville_massacre

  • wendy.schneider3 - 2012-08-17 19:37

    history repeating itself

  • obadia.segwape - 2012-08-17 19:49

    AGAIN?

  • andrie.langa - 2012-08-17 19:57

    COPS ARE THE ONLY AUTHORIZED KILLERS IN MZANZI...

  • ndyebs.goso - 2012-08-17 20:00

    Almighty God, protect us as our country drifts back to the apartheid style police brutality! Andries Thathane and others who were killed by th Zuma administration while expressing their views, may their souls rest in peace.

      AyGeewils - 2012-08-17 20:24

      I'd agree with you - if they had not butchered 2 policemen and murdered 8 others BEFORE the police arrived - the brutality started with your man Thathane!

      mundu.olewega - 2012-08-17 21:42

      You are right about the Zuma administration. He should have called the unions to order before leaving for a jaunt overseas. It's not police brutality to protect themselves. It should never have got to this stage.

  • WickyTauzeni - 2012-08-17 20:06

    This is very much sad. Nomatter how the matter is viewed, killing such a number of people was just not right.\r\nIf our government runs out of ideas on how to solve such issues, then it's just a matter of time before the country is brought to it's knees.

      hendrik.breed - 2012-08-17 20:33

      Ai, Wicky. This was so sad and uncalled for. this situation could have been resolved weeks ago. So much damage. Gvmnt should have intervened long ago.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-08-17 20:39

      @Wicky ~ What about the other 10 that these thugs murdered? Is that okay? So you're condoning a bunch of ignorant thugs running amok and killing people? What is 'very much sad' is that the cops never intervened a whole lot sooner and also that the thugs are ignorant enough to believe that they can behave in this manner without any consequences. Life doesn't work like that.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-08-17 21:23

      RIP Warrant Officer Tsietsi Hendrik Monene and Warrant Officer SR Lepaaku.

      Johan De Beer - 2012-08-18 10:18

      Jan, hind sight is an exact science hey? How many seconds would you say did the police have to debate on how to deal with the storming thugs? Perhaps time for a quick summit and tea?

  • irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-08-17 20:34

    They must really like the view from that hill. Well done to SAPS, well done. At last you've stood your ground against these panga wielding thugs.

  • johannes.motlhajoe - 2012-08-17 20:35

    What the police did was not good.they were supposed to be trained to control situations like that without being killed or killing,from that video I saw those police were enjoying it so much,how do they sleep at night knowing that u r a killer

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-08-17 20:44

      No amount of training is going to stop a bullet heading for your skull or an enraged miner with a panga led on by a crowd.

      logical007 - 2012-08-17 20:53

      @ Johannes Come on!!! The non legal strikers killed 2 innocent security guards and 2 police while police were trying to peacefully 'fighting' with rubber bullets and water against pangas bullets and other traditional weapons such as guns??? Then the non legal strikers charge the police and you want them to do WHAT???? PLEASE these strikers shot at the police! view the video!

      jan.vanrensburg.988 - 2012-08-17 21:03

      irene.buthelezi.1 - you're back? having black name is not going to hide your racist view points. Anyway if police dont not confront the miners the would not have been bloodshed, at that point anyway.

      johannes.motlhajoe - 2012-08-17 21:27

      Jan u r telling the truth,those guys were just there at the hill when they go down the police were onto them,police were rong to confront them

      dave.willard.79 - 2012-08-17 21:33

      You who criticize and judge - put on the uniform and go see what you would do.......Let's see if wearing a badge and uniform makes you immortal and so tough that you can't get scared....This is NOT Hollywood. The strikers should not have acted the way they did. The reasonable man don't do that - so - they were their own downfall. If the Police do their work you complain - if not - you complain.

      johannes.motlhajoe - 2012-08-17 21:33

      Everytime wher there are police,somebody has to die,in the first place wher do the police fit in,in the negotiations of miners salaries,they should have not been there in the first place

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-08-17 21:44

      @Johannes ~ Oh so that's what it was .... 'negotiation'!! Maybe you need to change your behaviour when you 'negotiate' so often and then maybe the police won't be forced to do their jobs. Ever thought of that?

      dave.willard.79 - 2012-08-17 21:59

      And that my friend is why you are called johannes

      Khotso Edward Mphou - 2012-08-18 08:31

      some people r so stupid ,they dnt knw wht its like to be controlling ppl with unruly behaviour,what the point of shooting a warning when dis unruly ppl approach,dnt talk of wht u never experienced u r nt a police,im a police i knw the feeling

      johannes.motlhajoe - 2012-08-18 09:33

      @khotso,I knw what u r talking about cos I was in the defence force for 5years,I feel the pain cos I a miner now I left that stupid job cos I did not want to have blood in my hands,I dnt want people to c me as their enemy,cos it seems now the police nowadays r enemies not our protectors

      keith.roberts.98434 - 2012-08-18 10:09

      I agree with Johannes, from what I see on TV, the first shots hit the ground in front of the miners, then (when the police panicked, I think) firing became fiercer and more widespread. From the noise,I am surprised that there were so few casualties. Incidentally, there was little tear gas from what I could see, almost all the police had machine guns, if that's the right name for these automatic wapons.

  • Tenagyah J Boateng - 2012-08-17 20:37

    This is such a sad, tragic situation.... My God, My God, please do no forsake us!

  • nico.dejongh.90 - 2012-08-17 20:58

    Carrying weapons and demand an increase. More pay (a meager 300%increase)- or we kill. How insane can it get.

  • Thobile Lugwadu - 2012-08-17 21:16

    This lost country must burn. We have completely lost it. The banks have got billions in bad debt,corruption is endemic,massive poverty, huge inequality etc. I will never care whether ae going forward or backward, we need a fresh start. Things cannot go on like this. Even those with means are having sleepless nights and must constantly watch their backs. This is not freedom. I am not asking for handouts or favours. I want justice, equality, clean governance,rule of law,accessible justice system for all.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-08-17 21:19

      It's what we all want, but so long as the majority in this country keep voting for cANCer, it will remain a dream and things will only get worse.

      Thobile Lugwadu - 2012-08-17 21:47

      They say birds of the same feather flock together. People will always associate themselves with political parties that reflect their aspirations. The problem is not the people, but the failure of other political parties to dislodge the ANC. The ANC has positioned itself as a paliarment of the people. It has carved its market niche like a wet dream to a sex-starved individual. It knows what people want. In my village there is electricity, free toilet,tarred road,although poorly constructed, but its better than nothing. I am angry with the ANC but its much better than the apartheid. If any white person is to lead this country,which can easily happen, that white pearson must first understand the impact of colonialism and apartheid on black people. Trying to deny it or insult its victims wont help. For me it would be a great day if we can have a white person as a president, not because he is clever than a black president, but that would heal a lot of bigoted minds who believe that whites as a race are unwanted here. But i can assure you, that white would never come from the ranks of DA . My thinking is that this scenario could be similar to OBAMA thing in USA. IF a patriotic white, that will impliment a peoples contract could emerge, the ANC could be a history soon,even in 2014, REMEMBER many in this site were saying USA will never be ruled by a black man. They were proven wrong by the majority whites who gave the democrats a nod, despite obama being a black presidential candidate. Adding tea ladies in DA will never dent the ANC dominance. We need a new vehicle for change. I am tired of the ANC lies myself, but will never betray the cause if the struggle by voting for neo-liberal party. I can join the movement that will make south africa a better place to live for all. But until then, either ANC or no vote for me.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-08-17 23:39

      Thobile ~ Then you must keep on suffering, but please, please, PLEASE suffer in silence because we're so tired of hearing of your woes while you're not willing to do the one thing that would change it all.

      Johan De Beer - 2012-08-18 10:11

      Thobile, you seem intelligent. Yet... (sigh)

  • lskosana3 - 2012-08-17 21:24

    I understand that the protesters were unruly and dangerous, but did the police have to be THAT trigger-happy??? I'm sure a few warning shots into the air would have been enough to get the miners running off in fear. These are inadequately trained policemen in dealing with crowd control, they panicked, for lack of a better reaction, and killed too many breadwinners in their stupidity. More needs to be done, seriously!

      dave.willard.79 - 2012-08-17 21:27

      You don't shoot up in the air .... What goes up comes down .... brood.... Rather shoot the protesters than someone walking 1km away minding their own business. People should NOT place themselves in a situation where the police need to act that way. They chose to be there and decided on their own actions.

      lskosana3 - 2012-08-17 21:33

      Stiil, did you see how they were just shooting like there's no tomorrow?? Did they HAVE to fire that many shots? If they had fired once or twice the protesters would have gotten the message and dispersed

      kagiso.ramasodi.5 - 2012-08-18 00:10

      I agree with you Ikosana, a few shots would have made the miners get the idea, now these so called police went all out 2 Kill! And after all the police are the ones who provoked the miners who were on the hill peacefully chanting songs...

      Johan De Beer - 2012-08-18 10:07

      Iskosana, did you notice how many shots were fired i to the ground? Watch the footage. Two sevonds longer and the thugs would have reached the police line. You talk too easily without thinking.

  • Madoqua - 2012-08-17 21:48

    All the South African news footage show the scene from the police line in front. On the Al-Jazeera footage (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2012/08/201281754353971991.html) it is shown from the side as police were herding the crouching group to a point where I assume they were to be arrested, using buckshot and armored vehicles. Twenty two seconds into the video one of the miners points something at the police, there is a puff of smoke and a loud bang (heard above the sound of the buckshot rounds fired). This guys was shooting at the police! After that all hell breaks loose. Have a look and tell me if I'm going mad.

  • andrie.langa - 2012-08-17 21:48

    Hahaha Jan.vanrensburg,is easy to stop fire with fire.there's were not innocent people,everybody knew what could happen joining armed mobs.that is not a excuse,innocent people should go to parliament or lithuli house burn tyres or union building...

  • richard.barrett.739 - 2012-08-18 08:54

    how can you sasy its a peacefull protest if you come with a panga,spear and dont forget there was gunfire from both sides , i agree JAJAJA more people will die , if you go and look at sharpeville its the woman that spured everything on , thank God you are alive

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