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Mock rape: School acts against bullies

2012-02-21 18:42

Cape Town - St David's Marist Inanda school has taken disciplinary action against senior pupils involved in forcing Grade 8 students to mock rape bus chairs, Eyewitness News reported on Tuesday.

The school confirmed the investigation into three incidents had been completed.

Headmaster Malcolm Williams and chief executive of the school, Mike Greeff, said in a statement when these incidents were made public, that the school board, management and the staff condemned conduct that intimidated, humiliated or frightened anyone.

"We are shocked and disappointed that any of our boys would be involved in behaviour which may cause distress or humiliation," they said.

Such behaviour was a violation of the school's code of conduct and anti-bullying policy.

"Our primary concern at this time is for the Grade 8s who have been affected."

The school had a counselling programme for boys and their families and would be working with those involved.

"We express our sincerest apologies to the boys and their families for the violation of trust that has occurred and we commit to doing all that is necessary to heal these wounds."

Comments
  • Vusi - 2012-02-21 18:52

    Now the Sissy boy that ran to his hysterical Mummy is going to be the outcast of the school for the next 5 years!!!! Good work hysterical Mummy! We all humped chairs in Grade 8 and nobody called it rape!

      Bokfan - 2012-02-21 19:06

      Vusi your staunchly patriarchal attitude is the cornerstone of our world class rape statistic. It always amazes me when people who are part of a desperately sick environment cant find time to pause for some self reflection. Such unexamined attitudes underpin most of the diseases affecting our society. Racism, sexism, greed, selfishness etc.

      Rippedtulle - 2012-02-21 19:10

      Clearly you humped your head against a wall because any form of rape or even suggestion of it is a disgrace. You approve of violence as well as beating people down. You must have been a school bully. You humped a chair in Gr8? What school did you attend and what type of parents do you have to find this acceptable. I suggest strongly you must go see a therapist. You have issues mate. Violence in any form or any age is not ok. There is no nanny state, no nancy boys just seriously ignorant people. Deal with it being pathetic is a disease.

      TheJaydedKing - 2012-02-21 19:25

      Sorry but i agree with vusi. I think this entire thing has been blown out of proportion.

      Vusi - 2012-02-21 19:30

      It is blatantly clear that neither of you two above have attended a private school......... Both your comments speak of total ignorance of how initiation works in some schools. Amazingly the rapes in this country doesn't seem to happen along Rivonia Road Sandton where this school is situated............go figure!

      Eduard - 2012-02-21 19:36

      Well Vusi.....still a plank it seems. Kudu's to the school for taking action!!!!!

      Liz - 2012-02-21 19:41

      Thanks Vusi! Now I understand why rape (and violence in general) is the problem it is in our society.... You often make good and refreshing comments but this one shocks me. Maybe you just don't know that mock rape, rape, emotional/sexual/physical violence aganist women and children etc is reprehensible and can never be brushed off as a silly game that might upset sissy boys.

      Matthew - 2012-02-21 19:47

      I agree with vusi, I don't condemn this in any way, but it has been taken out of context. Using the word "rape" makes anything seem crazy, We have no idea what actually happened. Some little kid got sad and is now making a great school seem so horrible.

      Vusi - 2012-02-21 19:49

      OOOOOOO....all the Sissy Boys are on here tonight? What's wrong Boys? Did your initiation at High School traumatise you bunch? Grow some balls and become men please!

      Vusi - 2012-02-21 19:59

      @Liz Please don't comment about something you know nothing about. Nobody trained anybody to rape anybody at this very posh school! The media elected to call chair humping chair raping. This is an old old tradition of this school and I haven't seen anybody that has graduated from this particular school rape anybody! We are talking about the country's cream going to this school. All the comments from the public and the media calling this incident rape, has come from people that have rape on their minds and women with HUGE sexual issues. If you knew this particular mother that caused all of this trouble, you would understand that she is the one that needs help! Not the matric guys who told the Grade 8's to hump chairs. But thankfully the majority of us are blessed with normal parents and not some deranged nut case of a mother!

      Stephen - 2012-02-21 20:12

      Vusi is partly correct. Having a son at this school, and seeing all the letters issued by the school, it appears that the word "rape" was never used by the matric boys and it is either a media publicity stunt or perhaps an over zealous parent (talking to the media). Besides that, this form of initiation at a Christian/Catholic based school is wholly inapproriate and steps are now being taken to stop this particular initiation practice, better discipline the matrics and provide support for those affected.

      Rippedtulle - 2012-02-21 20:17

      Vusi when your child or family gets raped think of what you said. When your child or family member is pulled apart, hurt and in pain think of what you said.

      karen.glautier - 2012-02-21 20:42

      @rippedtulle, I don't agree with Vusi's comments, but heaven forbid his family is never exposed to the pain, humiliation and anger caused by rape. Vusi, you may have a point but a sexual offence, or a murmur of something similar is always going to draw a very emotional response from people. Where do we draw the line? Earlier today there was huge outcry about the bullies who caused a boy to commit suicide. Which is acceptable and which isn't? When does humiliating someone become punishable?

      berni.venter - 2012-02-21 20:46

      Vusi, with you 100%. Rape vs 'humping'. Huge difference. Once again overzealous, inaccurate reporting designed to sell news24 ad space. My daughter has a large group of friends, and if you are shocked about this you will be horrified to hear the hi-jinks the boys get up to on rugby tours, in boarding school et al. And no, not private schools folks. I only got to understand men once these boys started telling me about their escapades. Teenagers push the boundries all the time, as adults with more life experience it's our responsibility to gently guide them and set the example. This has been handled very badly from start to finish and getting the media involved was uncalled for.

      Liz - 2012-02-21 21:05

      Vusi if it is all just "what happens at posh private schools" where the "cream of the country goes" and the over reaction of (according to you) a hysterical mother - why is the school "taking disciplinary action" and admitting - "We are shocked and disappointed that any of our boys would be involved in behaviour which may cause distress or humiliation. Such behaviour was a violation of the school's code of conduct and anti-bullying policy." The vitriole being spewed out here about "nancy boys" "sissy boys" little "pricks" who may not who may not want to participate in some of these activities is very telling of the one dimensional view of what it is "to be a man." Luckily these days these days there are a lot of men who have moved beyond this rather stuck point and are contributing a great deal to us becoming a more equal and respectful society.

      Vusi - 2012-02-21 21:06

      @Karen. I fully agree. But having been through this myself in Grade 8, I promised you there was no bullying involved here. I actually hate discussing this issue on here because this was a thing between us "boys". After we all went through this we felt as if we were part of the big school and it was a great feeling. It is a great pity that some kid from a deranged background ran to his hysterical mother and she elected to create this big drama about nothing. This is a "boy thing" and of course it would make an unstable personality, like this mother in particular, run around creating drama to focus the attention on her. She will never know what damage she has caused her son's high school career. I feel pity for him. The whole of Sandton knows about him now and no matter where he goes, he will be branded a sissy boy! Shame on this mother!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Vusi - 2012-02-21 21:09

      @Liz Join a convent!

      Francois - 2012-02-21 22:46

      Vusi, your comment of 21h06 has reference. If you hate discussing it, why did you open the discussion? Am I the only one to see the irony thereof? Then I will assume that there is no pun intended in "boys". Then onto your comment that started the whole debate at 18h52, could you not get a girl friend to kiss and were you so desperate to hump a chair? I think we must ask Tutu whether he thinks if it is okay. Did you shower afterwards and gave the chair taxi money?

      Schmee - 2012-02-22 07:45

      WTF you hump chairs? Eeeewwww grose. Remind me never to sit on any chair that you've "used".

      ZingZang - 2012-02-22 07:58

      I'm with Vusi on this one. All you grumpers . . start a society to vouch for the right of the chairs, then get a life.

      Derrick - 2012-02-22 08:02

      I am with you Vusi. We all went through these silly little rituals. Hell my matric group was particularly creative and made us put rocks in our pants to replicate the porn star bulge and they even had a self appointed screen director barking orders and advising us that our foreplay was not up to standard. Bokfan you racist idiot. Firstly you need to get over yourself and develop a much needed sense of humour. This story has been blown way out of proportion, I mean how on earth has this thing escalated to "rape". Firstly for all you uninformed sensationalists out there the definition of the crime of rape requires actual penetration (which if achieved in this instance would require some extremely enthusiastic bus chair "rapists") of either the anus, vagina or mouth of the "victim". Not sure about these modern day buses but these crucial body parts were clearly missing on the seats of the buses I traveled on as a child. I think Greef is instilling a culture of wetpack maladjusted ladymen at what has always been a pretty soft school to start with by the way he has handled this thing. Surely these kids need to get some real problems?

      Wimpie.Haefele - 2012-02-22 08:27

      100% with Vusi, that boy will be ignored for the next 5years. Wonder if his mommy will complain that nobody wants to play with him anymore maybe even take it to the newspaper

      Liz - 2012-02-22 08:27

      I started reading all these comments but the absurdity of it all really got to me. Vusi, I am 100% behind you! To News24,Bokfan, Rippedtulle, Liz, etc - YOU CAN NOT RAPE OR MOCK RAPE AN INANIMATE OBJECT!! This has been blown out of proportion. Boys will pretend to hump things as a joke. They were fully clothed. I can not believe that this has gone as far as it has. They were not pretending to hold the chair down against it's will. They were not pretending to silence the chair's screams. Rape, sexual assault, and bullying is most certainly unacceptable, but this instance is not an example of either of those!!

      Vusi - 2012-02-22 09:32

      Thanks to all of you that stood by me. The BIG tragedy here is what this hysterical mother has done to the most important years of her son's schooling. High School and particularly being a student at this particular school is a privileged. It should be a time of fun and bonding with your friends. This is the place to find your feet in life and look what she has caused now! Her son is an outcast. The whole of Sandton is mocking him. The kids at school I'm told all are laughing behind his back. Very very very sad!

      Schmee - 2012-02-22 09:46

      Vusi, have you read this article? I bet you this kid is going to be victimised at school as well now. Should her mother also have just told her kid to put on her big girl panties and suck it up? http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Girl-stripped-to-panties-at-school-20120222

      Vusi - 2012-02-22 10:48

      @Schmee Go look for a debate somewhere else. The more you post, the more one can see you have no clue what we are talking about. I appreciate you wanting to contribute to the country's issues, but please do so in an intelligent matter. You have no knowledge of the school we are talking about or this psychologically disturbed mother. There happens to be a lot more behind this story than what was reported on here. The media elected to call an initiation act, an act of rape. The media have single handedly turned this into a money spinner for themselves and the sick mother got her moment on stage! The boy is the one paying the price for all of this.

      Schmee - 2012-02-22 10:57

      Vusi, if you cannot debate then don't get sarcastic. If you can't carry your logic forward to other cases then you cannot call it a debate.

      Liz - 2012-02-22 12:35

      Shcmee - Sure, call on other cases to strengthen your debate, but I would advise you choose cases which are actually relevant. Case 1: A few grade 8 boys in a prestigious school were told to simulate humping a chair, fully clothed, as a non-violent, rather humourous (for that age, and if you actually have a sense of humour..)act of initiation. Case 2: A 10 year old girl was allegedly forced to strip down to her underwear at school and go home like that. Now, do you honestly believe that these 2 can be compared? Come on, man. Use your logic.

  • FuryNB - 2012-02-21 18:53

    nanny state anyone?

      Bokfan - 2012-02-21 19:14

      FurryB. What goes for Vusi goes for you and Jeanne Marc the bumboy below.

  • Jean-Marc - 2012-02-21 18:54

    This is pathetic, mock raping of chairs? Seriously, bunch of nancy boys who can't handle a joke. *YAWN*

      Winsome - 2012-02-21 19:18

      Rape "a joke"? Sounds like they were practising rape - and that is no joke. This is truly disgusting and so are you and your comments.

      Rippedtulle - 2012-02-21 19:24

      Clearly you not the brightest male living in Sandton but try to hide it. You clearly have no idea of nancy boys which I would assume you are saying gay boys making you a homophobe. If you think rape is normal even at the lowest level you have a problem. You need to go speak to your parents and get the issue sorted because rape aka sexual violence is not OK in any form. So go Nancy boy yourself and your patriarchal BS. Stand up for people and what is wrong not your own subversive ethics about life.

      Gregory Wells-Clifton - 2012-02-21 19:25

      You probably think smacking women is okay too Jean (is that the problem - the name??)

      TheJaydedKing - 2012-02-21 19:26

      Grow up Winsome it was some kids playing a prank. No one is seriously condoning the rape of a person.

      Honest Raymond Makoi - 2012-02-21 19:54

      They probably told him to simulate a sex act as a joke and this little prick that has just made himself a heated figure took n blow it out of proportion n the media as always makes it look like something more than it is.. We all boys n so know if we dance is a grinding fashion we should be expelled for mock raping!

      alansmartSnr - 2012-02-21 21:38

      Like in most comments nobody is thinking of the poor victims.. the chairs or seats or whatever. Shame :-)..First year varsity, Stellenbosch.. Roll an acorn the length of the rugby field with your nose..and then serve your second year student viligently.. make his bed, arange his cupboard.. do his ironing and run his errands.. That's initiation proper! I've been there! This banging a seat to me is so childish..much ado about nothing.

      wbswanepoel - 2012-02-22 08:18

      Could you not get the boys to do situps like real men - no the get them to hump chair in a bus to humiliate them and I bet you all laughed, maybe were turned on by it cause you are that sick - it doesn't matter what you other guys did or had to do when you started school etc etc - society needs to start addressing the issues of low self asteem with boys these days - you guys always talk about mommy's boy etc and hysterical mother etc etc - my husband was a military man for many years and saw things you would not want to see - his answer to this pathetic initiation is he would f-up the boys and their fathers if they humiliated his son who by the way is tough like his dad. That is not how you make men that is how you make weaklings and the people who think it is okay are thinking of themselves .... this is 2012 start acting like men and quit talking and start bringing up men so our little girls can at least have a choice////// yawn yawn to you too Jean-Marc

      Wimpie.Haefele - 2012-02-22 08:30

      Agreed Jean - This is not even news worthy it was a joke that was taken out of context and sensationalized. Mommy's boy

  • Lynda - 2012-02-21 19:26

    Why was there no teacher on the bus?

      Schmee - 2012-02-22 07:55

      Good question.

  • bradleybrits - 2012-02-21 19:27

    Guess you can have money and go to an expensive school but clearly money can't buy class..

      wbswanepoel - 2012-02-22 08:20

      I like you Bradley Brits....

  • Manhattan - 2012-02-21 19:29

    Feel a bit sorry for the kid here. Probably sounds like an over-reactive parent. Kid probably tried with his might not to get involved.

      wbswanepoel - 2012-02-22 08:21

      You guys are assuming it was one boy - it was all the boys and parents who complained - let's get the facts straight and there were fathers at the meetins too..... big muscular fathers who give a damn about their little men...

  • Vegi - 2012-02-21 19:38

    Non consensual sex with a chair or a tree is a victimless crime, so I don't know what the hullabaloo is all about. If a boy forces himself on a tree, a chair or a rock whether voluntary or otherwise should not worry us. Also people seem not to no the meaning of rape. This was not rape. The boys simple had sex with a bus chair, so no crime was committed.

      Brad Frank - 2012-02-21 19:52

      your comments actually mind-boggling and just beyond insensitive... please, go play in the traffic

      wbswanepoel - 2012-02-22 08:23

      Boys are supposed to look up to their elders and respect them - how do you do this when you stand taller than them???????????????

  • Charmaine - 2012-02-21 19:47

    Well done educators and school management, this is not a joke and sometimes these types of jokes can end up violently.

  • Andile Oscar Mtshiselwa - 2012-02-21 20:04

    Some say the kids must be expelled. Remember that when you expell the child from school, you are driving them into the streets so as to commit worst crimes than the petty that they will have been expelled for.Find better ways to punish kids

  • Rippedtulle - 2012-02-21 20:16

    When you child gets raped, violently hurt, bruised and ripped. Commits suicide because he/she can't live with it. Ask why was this allowed and why did people think it was a school stunt... When it is your child getting raped - think of it...

      karen.glautier - 2012-02-21 20:48

      @Rippedtulle, I hear you, loud and clear! ?...... I never want to think of it happening to my children, I pray it never ever does. I've been there and will happily kill to protect them.

      Liz - 2012-02-22 09:12

      It is a terrible thing that you are wishing on people here, Rippedtulle. You are simply feeding in to the sensationalism caused by the media here. These kids were NOT simulating rape, they were simulating humping. You know, like remaining fully clothed and simply moving your pelvis backwards and forwards?? Nothing sinister about that. It's a joke! No one is learning to rape here, I am pretty sure that the thought of rape did not even cross the minds of any of these other boys, and I feel fairly confident in saying that I highly doubt that this one instance of humping a frikking chair on a schoolbus as a joke/inititation is going to turn any of these boys into a rapist!! This has really gone too far.

      Karl - 2012-02-22 10:19

      NO ONE WAS RAPED! A person who rapes another has no meaning in this world, but no one was raped here. The word rape was used just to sensationalize this retarded story! Stop taking it out of context!

  • frik.kotze - 2012-02-21 20:53

    Its a sad day when part of your innitiation consists of a sexual deed in grade 8,maybe thats where go wrong ,by accepting it as part of innitiation ,and might be one of the causes of teenage pregnancies.WAKE UP ANC to whats being taught at your schools

  • monica.grobler1 - 2012-02-21 21:20

    There was no crime, this kind of initiation has been happening for years and not only in St Davids, but in every single high school where there are boys. It is really not such a big issue, there are more serious bullying happening than initiation traditions. All this fuss shows how out of sync adults are about what is really going on in high schools. Instead of going off the rails and calling it rape, take the oppotunity to teach the boys the sacredness and beauty of sex, so they would come to respect and honour the act of love. Instead of reverence, all this fuss is causing shame.. As adults we can't preach to our kids that they should think twice before they do, when we don't take a moment and think what will be the ramifications of our actions and reactions...

      Vusi - 2012-02-21 21:36

      A thousand thumbs up for you Monica!!!!!!!! Having read some of these comments on here tonight I'm so thankful for my parents. It is pure hell being saddled with a hysterical mother like this one that had caused all of this. That boy will be an outcast in Sandton for the next 5 years! Everybody is mocking him in the streets already.

      Rippedtulle - 2012-02-21 22:39

      Lets call apartheid sacred and the hate of other sacred. Violence even the seed of it is a disgrace. It is a hug issue. Who are the boys who even thought it to be ok to mock rape? Getting toothpaste and shaving cream is ok..... Mock raping? @Monica like Vusi & co you all need serious check up on violence.

      Wimpie.Haefele - 2012-02-22 08:35

      What is next the Grade12's carrying the Grade8's school bags? Agree with you Monica, good to see that atleast 1 woman understand the initiation of boys and there are no permanent damage not even temporary only a bit of embarresment

      Karl - 2012-02-22 10:24

      @Rippedtulle I can clearly see you are one of those that takes whatever they hear and read to heart. You are probably the kind of person who beleives that margarine is 1 molecule away from plastic because that's what you've been told.

      Patrick - 2012-02-23 11:41

      I have heard that this has been going on for many years and the seat even has a name. Being blown out of proportion by the media to sell newspapers. The boys who started this are proable holding down mamnagemnt positions in business today.

  • Mpho Gwala - 2012-02-22 06:33

    How can somebody rape a damn chair? Get a grip FFS, these boys were having a little initiation and a laugh at the expense of some unfortunate 8th graders. Boys will be boys eh!! These things happen in high school & boarding school

      wbswanepoel - 2012-02-22 08:28

      Maybe a message needs to be sent out and this is the forum and example of how it can be done. Maybe this will curb other actions that are even more humiliating to boys and girls.... Maybe at the expense of a few children being mocked, others don't have to be scared when starting at a high school. Not sure if you have kids but it is quite a big thing and sometimes the boys are not brought up tough and this will scar them etc. The end result is prepare your kids for the world but never over protect.. My husband told my son to look at it like basic training - no one must tough you, words mean nothing, take it in your stride but don't let anyone humiliate you as you have rights.... I love my hubby, he is such a man... and my son is going to be just like him....

  • Derrick - 2012-02-22 07:36

    Counselling???? WTF???? Greef its time you told these little Nancy's to strap on a pair and develop a sense of humour or else high school is gonna be a very unpleasant experience. Jewish boys and their mothers... Face palm.

  • reza.daniels1 - 2012-02-22 10:50

    Much much more shocking than this article is how most of the posts made by Vusi went over the head of many posters. Eish ekse...........

  • dani.louis.elkin - 2012-02-22 19:20

    Sure, I can sympathize with the "victims" in this situation, if this ordeal was as traumatic as suggested. However, as a man, if I look back on my youth, I can recall countless occasions that I did something irresponsible or a little out of line, or just plain stupid. But fortunately, I was at school that slapped me over the wrists, straightened me out and sent me back onto the play ground... lesson learned! I do believe that in this case, the school is compelled to act as drastically as they have as a result of the media blowing this out of proportion. And I hope that the boys being punished have had a level-headed teacher approach them and tell them this. Unfortunately, anything involving the idea of sexual mistreatment becomes serious. I can bet my left nut that none of these boys had the sinister intentions so many of you think they did. It was a bit of fun that has been dramatised into something very sour by the media. Although I do not think they deserve the punishment they are receiving, I can understand why the school is taking this stance. But I think everyone should rememeber that these are just boys, and the fact that they are being compared to rapists by some of you is disgusting. There were better ways to have gone about this. I blame the media. I am saddened (and irritated) to see how unforgiving and ruthless some of these comments have been. Jumping to conclusions and JUDGING people you know so little about is a far more punishable crime...in my opinion.

  • devon.grovers - 2012-02-23 11:46

    Vusi. i think you are more concerned with what u did in high school than quality of young morals and ethics. Remember it is a Christian School where morals, ethics and values are extremely important because this sets the standards of the faith. reflect on that before you go off telling people they dont know what they talking about when you yourself dont know what the school is about...as for iniation yes it takes place at most school and i do feel that even though you have the ability to type on a keypad/keyboard as you update your next post, you surely can utilise that same brain that gives off so much wonderful to type to rethink your approach to the what you are saying and where you morals lie. fyi. yes i was at a public school and yes i did get bullied and yes i did sum bullying aswell. but that doesnt mean im proud of it, BITE ME

  • Landé - 2012-02-23 15:30

    In general initiation is a stupid idea! Why on earth would anyone allow another person to force them to do something that makes them feel uneasy?? Sorry, but I am totally against it if you look how many people are left with emotional scars. And no, they are not sissies for heaven's sake! I stood up to initiation in school and I will teach my children to do the same!

      monica.grobler1 - 2012-02-28 18:13

      Coming from a sociology point of view, initiation isn't bad is causes the group it has been done to, to unite, stand together. You are not looking at the bigger picture. Doing something that makes you feel uneasy isnt a bad thing, it widen horisons, put you out of your comfort zone, introduces you to new things and in the end makes you stronger, more resilient :) And yes you should stand up to initiation, but take do it, it's great fun, it builds character and creates a feeling between a group of people, that they belong that they can, that they are in it together!

  • Benita - 2012-05-11 11:46

    Yes War Lord, why don't we just give them all the sex they need. Why don't we just let them experience every evil they want to? Why don't we let them destroy each other with whatever sexual assault they can? You would probably join in the "fun". Why would you care about children being messed up due to these kinds of violence? You would probably be one of those to vote yes to porn an all kinds of down grading stuff just because you yourself is rotten to the core. I feel sorry for you. Have you been bullied or forced into something like that as a child too? 80% of kids who were bullied in any kind of way, practise bullying later in their own lifes. And it usually has a negative effect on their sexual identity. It's not just about humping a chair like a dog. It's more like what we see in the papers about school boys raping each other with broom sticks. Or maybe you just don't get it.

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