Mogoeng death row outcry

2011-08-28 15:30

Johannesburg - President Jacob Zuma's candidate for South Africa’s next chief justice is embroiled in a new scandal - this time about his endorsement of the death penalty.

The National Association of Democratic Lawyers (Nadel) has lashed out at Judge Mogoeng Mogoeng's "active participation" in pushing in 1988 for a man whose original legal team didn’t represent him properly, to be executed.

This is the latest in a range of criticisms levelled against Mogoeng, who is scheduled to be interviewed by the Judicial Service Commission (JSC) on ­Saturday.

In 1988, Mogoeng appeared as state advocate for the justice minister in the old Bophuthatswana supreme court to oppose an application by a convicted man for a stay of execution.

A day before he would have been hanged, the man (referred to as Ngobenza in the judgment) asked the court to postpone his execution pending a new appeal against his conviction and a ­clemency application.

Ngobenza believed his case wasn’t properly presented by his lawyers.

Then judge president of Bophuthatswana Theal Stewart eventually granted the stay of execution after it became clear to him that there was a chance the man could successfully appeal against his case, and receive a reprieve.

Stewart disagreed with Mogoeng’s insistence that, under the circumstances, Ngobenza’s execution should go ahead.

Nadel spokesperson Khanya Jele told City Press that massive unanswered questions remain about Mogoeng’s ­career as state advocate between 1986 and 1990.

The JSC should question him on this, she said.

Apartheid years

In Nadel’s submission to the JSC, the association mentions Mogoeng’s “active participation” in enforcing the death penalty, and the fact that little is known about his career as state advocate is a ­serious concern.

“It is not merely the death sentence itself, but its use and application during the apartheid years that inform Nadel’s concerns,” the association states in its submission to the JSC.

Nadel wants to know whether Mogoeng appeared in political prosecutions under apartheid and how this fits in with his prospective new position.

Jele said numerous applicants for judges’ positions after 1994 have been excluded because of their pasts.

Advocates appearing before the JSC who were members of the secretive Broederbond organisation under apartheid are constantly grilled about this.

Nadel is not the only organisation that wants Mogoeng to be asked tough questions when he appears on Saturday.

Gender-based issues

Section27, a public interest legal body, has lodged a formal complaint against Mogoeng’s candidacy on behalf of the Sonke Gender Justice Network, the Lesbian and Gay Equality Project and the Treatment Aciton Campaign.

The group analysed numerous judgments by Mogoeng and argued that his approach to gender-based issues were unbecoming for a judge.

In cases where women were raped or assaulted, Mogoeng “reached for arguments akin to 'she asked for it', 'she wasn’t really hurt', ‘he was understandably sexually aroused’ and ‘it wasn’t really that bad because he was not a stranger’,” reads Section27’s submission.

The cases in question include the sentence of Eric Mathibe, reported by City Press last week, which was reduced to an effective fine of R2 000.

Mathibe dragged his girlfriend behind a car for about 50m on a gravel road.

Asked if Zuma had made a rigorous study of Mogoeng’s judicial and ­prosecutorial record before he was ­nominated, Zuma’s spokesperson Mac Maharaj said: “The president’s nomination is before the JSC and he has sought the comments of leaders of the parties represented in Parliament.

“He has encouraged debate and awaits their responses.”

  • Vytjie - 2011-08-28 10:43

    I am sure people are growing, unless you are a retard. What I have done in the 80's is different from now. However death penaly to one or two blatant killers, might curb the desire of killing citizens in our country.

      Bettie - 2011-08-28 17:33

      Quoting from the case of the state vs. Eric Mathibe in the words of MOGOENG: "In my view, the imposition of an effective term of two years imprisonment in circumstances where the accused is a first offender, who pleaded guilty and thereby showed remorse, who was provoked by the complainant and the complainant did not sustain serious injuries, cannot be in accordance with justice. It is too harsh by any standards." This is a more recent case and it would seem that he found in favour of the accused who merely "punished" his girlfriend by tying her to his bumper and dragging her behind the vehicle... People may change, Vytjie, but in your argument it sounds like you would defend a man who endorses violence against women, as recent as 10 years ago... And this man is up for the position of Chief Justice. Really? Do you really think he is perfect for the position? Because I certainly do not.

      Bettie - 2011-08-28 19:04

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      Chronoman - 2011-08-29 10:12

      Yes @ Bettie, my stance is that Mogoeng is already controversial and for good reason. Why don't we go for the best possible person we can get? Why must mediocrity rule?

      SayWhat? - 2011-08-29 10:43

      Ironically his view is fairly uncontroversial, stats show around 75% of South Africans are in favour of the death penalty. It has however been found unconstitutional by a full bench of the constitutional court and not even the chief justice will be able to reverse the decision alone.

      alicia - 2011-08-29 10:48

      Another Idiot Puppet on A String who will do as his Master bids him too, regardless of whether it is Justice or not.

      NATO OFFICE - 2011-08-29 19:32

      and whats wrong with the death sentence??

      Shadoz - 2011-08-30 08:53


      whereu - 2011-08-30 14:04

      NATO OFFICE What's wrong with the death penalty? There's practically no evidence that it's a deterrent. Too many mistakes are made leading to putting innocent people to death (DYOR on these two points if you have sufficient interest in the subjects) IMO, State sponsored violence is not the solution to violence. You may not agree. I just offer these points as food for thought.

  • paul.moshate - 2011-08-28 12:18

    I agree with Vytjie. To me this is yet another piece of shoddy, malicious and really pathetic journalism from City Press. City Press, if you are trying to get your point across that you want Moseneke or Kamphepe just come out clean, don't use these dirty tactics to undermine the CJ office.

      Umfubi - 2011-08-28 17:07

      You really, really don't have a clue what this article is about, do you? All of this stuff is critical in deciding whether the candidate is suitable for the position he's been nominated for. This isn't about political haggling - it's about the matter of legal integrity.

      POLLENYS - 2011-08-28 19:23

      Paul Moshate - you are way out of your depth to debate this issue. Had you read more about the misdeamors of Mogoeng you would have seen how totally inept he is to be a judge, never mind chief justice.

  • James Manyi - 2011-08-28 13:06

    Vytjie and Paul. Did you read the article? Or are you commenting based on preconceived perceptions? There were several other incidents mentioned, some which took place quite recently and indicate his inability to be the Chief Justice.

  • v3 - 2011-08-28 14:46

    Best practice is not to appoint prosecutors (state advocates)to the bench. This is for at least two reasons: (1) They lack the commercial experience of their counterparts in private practice. (2) From a human rights perspective, it is better to have have a judge who has spent her or his career defending accused (seeing them as innocent) than prosecuting them (seeing them as guilty). However, this is academic, as are NADEL's arguments. Jacob 783 is appointing someone, like Simelane, Cele, Dramat or Mpshe to safeguard his interests and has no concern about what is best for the country.

  • Slapper - 2011-08-28 16:00

    His stance on the Death penalty is about the only thing I agree with. We need to deprive some of our more savage criminals from breathing the same air as we do.

      SAFCan - 2011-08-28 16:24

      Slapper agree with you in this one. However, some of these criminal barbarians don't deserve death by hanging! These useless criminal specimens should die by the same means of punishment they put their victims through; time period should be about three times longer.

      Yar - 2011-08-28 16:26


      grant9 - 2011-08-29 04:25

      @SAFcam. I gave you the thumbs down. I am all in favour of the death penalty but the justice system should not be reduced to the level of the criminal. Suppose one in a thousand condemned people is actually innocent. I would accept it and still be in favour of exercution but how would you feel if the innocent person had been tortured to death?

      Hugh - 2011-08-29 07:37

      @grant 9, consider that like the US we have laws that will allow appeal before the imposition of the death penalty. Consider that DNA is the closest one can get to nailing the real perp saving the innocent. You may say that one innocent hanged is one too many. Better that than 20,000 innocents murdered. No need to be selective when the bad done to one will deter the other perps and save the many. You accept the FICA and the many other things that are done to make the ordinary man feel that he is criminal because the few who will plant bombs and kill. Have you ever questioned why you should be so inconvenienced in every facet of your life. Think how much easier life would be for the vast majority if we were hard on all levels of crime. BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY.

      ardeola7 - 2011-08-29 09:48

      @Slapper - Only trouble is, his stance on the death penalty appears to be, "Just kill the bugger, never mind that he wasn't properly represented, may be innocent, and deserves a chance to prove that." I can't agree with that, no matter how I feel about the death penalty in general.

  • Obama - 2011-08-28 16:10

    LOL!!! Is this what people do when they dont want you in an office of power... They start drenching out issues that happened when you were a teen. LOL!!. And the sad thing about this case is that as a Prosecutor, the man was just doing his job! Simple...

      Bettie - 2011-08-28 17:40

      Right, and as a prosecutor you would be perfect for the position of CHIEF JUSTICE when you justify tying a woman to a rear bumper of a car and dragging her on a gravel road as punishment?? And BTW, he was not a teen... It happened as recent as 10 years ago... Do a little research.

      logicIQ - 2011-08-28 23:36

      "Drenching out issues"??? WTF? Heard of English? Try it sometime.

      grant9 - 2011-08-29 04:43

      Organisations are not taking issue with what Mogoeng did as a teenager but with his views and judgements in recent times. I agree with him about the death penalty but find his views about rape and assault on women abhorrent (I wonder what sentence he would have dished out if the girl who had been dragged along the road had been a loved one?).

      Hugh - 2011-08-29 07:42

      If you think about it this is a clear cut case of what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Why if the ANC question white candidates about their apartheid work should that not be done to a Black who enforced the those same laws.

  • Nasdaq7 - 2011-08-28 16:21

    The death penalty one he got right. Everyone should be treated fairly by the law and given a fair sentence fitting the crime they committed. Murder should be punished by execution. There are far too many murderers walking around without any fear for the hand of the law. Murder and you get a cell and food and tv for the rest of your life.

      Yar - 2011-08-28 16:30

      Nasdaq7 - I agree with you. In fact I believe that a life sentence is inhumane. It is worse than a death sentence. It is a death sentence, but preceded with a life behind bars. I think we should be kind to murderers and rapists sentenced to life imprisonment. Put them down so that they don't suffer, or cost the tax payer money.

      Grant - 2011-08-28 16:40

      @yar...this is a very naive viewpoint. A life sentence is 20 years, with good behaviour, the average person sentenced to life actually only serves 11 years. Therefore a young savage in his 20's is out of jail and ready to continue a life of crime in his middle to late 30's. The murdered person however, stays dead! I support the death penalty!

      Umfubi - 2011-08-28 17:10

      This is not about the death penalty, Nasdaq. It is about the correct and fair application of the law. Where does it say the guy in question was a murderer, anyway? And if his lawyers bugger things up, he should just be hanged anyway? You need to lift your game.

      grant9 - 2011-08-29 04:54

      @Grant. That's the point people miss. As you say 'life' does not mean life in prison. It would be interesting to know how many released 'lifers' have gone on to commit further murders.

  • Chumani - 2011-08-28 16:24

    Well if he endorses the death penalty then he should be right up in the alley of some of the people that are opposed to his appointment.

  • vegetarian - 2011-08-28 16:26

    If Mogoeng is the supporter of the death penalty, he should not be appointed.

      So What If.. - 2011-08-28 17:52

      @ Veggie. You are past you best by date.

      nkhadi - 2011-08-28 21:07

      Vegetarian my man, that was during mangope please. give the man a chance. come on.

      Philip Darne - 2011-08-29 13:40

      I DEMAND that the death penalty be reinstated, those in favour, hand up!!!

  • Uncle - 2011-08-28 16:31

    MOGOENG FOR PRESIDENT. ZThe death penalty is the only mesure to curb senseless killings in this country. Restore law and order and fire corrupt cops.

      logicIQ - 2011-08-28 23:39

      Parler Anglais, I beg you...

  • crackerr - 2011-08-28 16:32

    So now he is so-called caught up in a SCANDAL because he supported or endorsed the death penalty. (No reason under the sun to read the rest of the nonsense.) Most of us are in favor of an unencumbered media. BUT the media must NOT PUSH IT so far that they cut off their own throats. What rubbish says that this is a scandal? By whose standards? The man is entitled to his opinions and, what's more, MANY agree with his view on the subject. This is an example of unfairly smearing a person by making it appear that he did something vulgar and wrong.

      Coquine - 2011-08-28 17:56

      What is unfair about it? It's reporting facts.

      crackerr - 2011-08-28 18:14

      "President Jacob Zuma’s candidate for South Africa’s next chief justice is embroiled in a new scandal - this time about his endorsement of the death penalty." _______________________________________________________________________ Read the introductory sentence to the article. It reports some scandal. Where is the SCANDAL? And according to what criteria? The so-called scandal labeling is a fabrication by the writer of the article for spreading around to make it appear that the nominated person for judgeship was involved in a SCANDAL, which is intended to prejudice his candidature. It is scandalous journalism. Taking a bit of fact and coloring it to suit the journalist/paper's agenda.

      grant9 - 2011-08-29 05:17

      Whilst I agree with Mogoeng's view on the death penalty I don't think the man is fit to be a magistrate let alone a chief justice because of his views on rape. No wonder so few women are prepared to report it. Sentencing a man to a R2000 fine for dragging a woman behind his car along the road is disgusting, what if it was your daughter?

      Umfubi - 2011-08-29 09:33

      Grant: As a matter of interest: this article makes no mention or statement on Mogoeng's 'view on the death penalty'. His 'view on the death penalty' is absolutely irrelevant. Judges are there to uphold the law and impose the legally required penalties - whether these be jail time, execution, fines or whatever. This is not some arbitrary process which hinges on the personal preferences/beliefs of the judge - it is all prescribed in law, and judges are themselves judged on their application of those laws. If the death penalty was legal or even mandatory (for certain crimes) in this country, then judges would have no alternative but to impose them if the criteria were met, even if they in their private capacity would not support capital punishment. Why is this so difficult for people to understand? THIS ISSUE IS NOT ABOUT THE DEATH PENALTY. IT IS ABOUT MOGOENG'S CAPABILITY AND FITNESS IN UPHOLDING THE LAW. I can't believe the number of commentors who simply rush into print whenever certain key words strike their eyeballs. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE DEATH PENALTY.

      unwanted - 2011-08-29 21:10

      @umfubi - I get what you are saying. It is about his insistence on enforcing the death penalty when the accused was not represented properly, NOT about whether he supports the death penalty or not. Every body has a right to decide whether they support the death penalty, and I guess if it was up for debate, judges would be the ones doing a lot of the debating. The problem was not the death penalty it was the way he went about imposing it.

      Umfubi - 2011-08-29 23:54

      Actually, @unwanted, it wasn't even quite that. He may not have imposed the original sentence at all - this article merely talks about the way he handled an appeal for a stay of execution. But you're on the right track :-)

  • crackerr - 2011-08-28 16:34

    This is actually an example of how freedom of speech and opinion can be limited by non-governmental institutions without the assistance of even one single piece of legislation.

  • sadc_itizen - 2011-08-28 16:48

    Respected Jurist Richard Goldstone sentenced people to death when he was a judge. Think about it!

  • barry.mcbride - 2011-08-28 17:19

    Any “death row” will undoubtedly be a hell of a long one here and require upgrading with another row or three. It might even be longer than those at SARS with impatient people pushing in line and even jumping the queue!

  • Philip Kleynhans - 2011-08-28 17:29

    It will reduce murders. It is a major issue. We need to reduce crime. Death penalty is a good option. But we have to make the jail a place for proper penalty and not a 5* hotel. Some criminals go to jail to survive because live in better in jail as in proverty stricten areas.

      Coquine - 2011-08-28 17:57

      It has NOT reduced murder rates in the countries where it is still legal.

      grant9 - 2011-08-29 05:27

      There are countless cases of convicted murdrers who have served time have gone on to commit other murders yet not a single recorded case of an executed person having committed a single crime.

      Umfubi - 2011-08-29 09:35

      Grant: I'm afraid that your zealotry and lack of logic are causing your stupidity to show. You quite evidently have not thought about any of this in depth. Why don't you try doing that before you make a bigger moron of yourself?

      Cire - 2011-08-29 11:56

      @Umfubi. I find your comment very puzzling. You might not agree with the death penalty but Grant's comment was entirely logical - it's pretty obvious that executed murderers never ever commit any more murders!

      Umfubi - 2011-08-29 13:30

      @Cire: believe it or not, I do absolutely get that dead people don't commit murder. OK? This may come as news to you, but as an argument in support of the death penalty it falls well into the category of offensive smart-assery. Grant has mentioned elsewhere in these comments that it's ok by him if an innocent person is occasionally executed, too. After all - can't make an omelet without breaking eggs can we? That is the motivation behind my earlier comment. Get it now?

      Kevin - 2011-08-30 06:37

      Of course it will reduce murders. Just hanging the murderer stops him killing again and I am sure it makes one or two other cowards think twice

  • So What If.. - 2011-08-28 17:50

    Mogoeng for me. Anyone that is pro the death penalty!

      grant9 - 2011-08-29 05:30

      It seems he is pro rape and thinks it's no big deal to drag your girlfrind along the road tied to the back of your car.

  • gatvol4corru - 2011-08-28 18:05

    Bring back the death-penalty! Criminals will think twice

  • JimbOb - 2011-08-28 18:11

    I like this guy all of a sudden!

      grant9 - 2011-08-29 05:41

      With his views about rape and violence against women (if the accused admits it, it means he's sorry so he just gets a slap on the wrist). I take it you don't have a wife, sisters, daughters or a mother ;-)

  • PinkAndProud - 2011-08-28 18:45

    Don't let your judgement be clouded. This primitive as only pro the death penalty because it was still in existence. It doesn't mean that if he gets the job it will come back. There is no way that SA can afford to have Zooomer 783's primitive puppet running the show. Times move forward and this clown has not progressed along with the rest of civilisation.

      grant9 - 2011-08-29 05:48

      I admit I am one that missed the point that he was only applying the law at the time. Well spotted.

      Umfubi - 2011-08-29 09:37

      Well spotted? SPOTTED? Surely to God that is the most basic point about all of this? If this wasn't the very first thought that occurred to you, then you really shouldn't be reading the grown-up news articles.

  • Jacqui - 2011-08-28 19:46

    I am all for bringing back the death penalty - the level of violent crime in SA is appalling. Wishy-washy, namby-pamby human rights activists should be ashamed of themselves protecting the perpetrators and not the victims! Rights always come with responsibilities.

      Jacqui - 2011-08-28 19:50

      However, I must say that this is the only aspect of this man's judgment that I respect.

      Umfubi - 2011-08-29 16:52

      Just as a matter of interest, so that we can place your comment into perspective: are you in fact aware of any of 'this man's judgments', other than the ones mentioned here today? And if so, is this really the 'only aspect of this man's judgment' that you respect? If so, that's really amazing.

  • Daan - 2011-08-28 20:00

    See, every dark cloud HAS got a silver lining.

  • Paul - 2011-08-28 20:28

    I am all for the death penalty, look at Singapore, no drugs, no armed robberies, no rape , no murders etc as death penalty, please bring it back...You can walk around freely, no one will touch you.....

  • nkhadi - 2011-08-28 21:03

    It is disgusting to see judges not suporting each other. What Mogoeng did in the 80's is the past. He was serving the interests of that regime by then. I think these judges must come clean about this mogoeng issue. Are promised kick backs the other candidates who thought they will get the position. You are disgusting.

  • Jabulaniboy - 2011-08-29 02:56

    I support anyone who supports the death penalty for murder, rape and child abuse. Lets go for it NOW !!!!!!

      grant9 - 2011-08-29 06:06

      Read the article. Mogoeng had dubious views on rape (if you don't klup her too much, if she turned you on in some way. if you know her etc) then it's not serious.

  • nn.prv - 2011-08-29 07:52

    I respect a man who has the balls to endoss the death penalty.We surely need it in SA and fast.

  • Harold - 2011-08-29 08:15

    Bottom line is this chap is right wing, Christian conservative.I would think that those who favour the old regime would love him. Personally I think he's a leap backwards and should never be appointed to such a position.

      Umfubi - 2011-08-29 09:38

      Hallelujah - an intelligent comment. Thank you!

  • Lynne - 2011-08-29 08:16

    The more I hear of this man, the more I am worried. His views in no way take into account the constitution of this country. Whether it was pre-or post 94.

  • tiotudg - 2011-08-29 08:42

    this time about his endorsement of the death penalty. Hy is in goeie geselskap - doet so voort.

  • Vince York - 2011-08-29 08:57

    How can this Mogoeng still even be employed within the legal circles or Justice department in any capacity with so much anti-justice comprising his person? It seemingly was a long term planned and executed ANC deployment ploy to get a compliant lap dog into place - begging the question, how many more have been inserted throughout state positions in a sinister gambit to undermine Democracy and any moves to normal and stabilize SA!

  • Mlu - 2011-08-29 10:39

    The controversies surrounding the appointment of a Chief Justice shows a lack of intellect depth in the ANC. Before you appoint someone in that position, one needs to do a thorough research and due dilligence into that person's background. That capacity is lacking in the President and his advisors. During TM's and Mandela's times, these matters were dealt with smoothly. This is not the only issue facing the President. The Public Protector's findings on the renting of building by some government departments is just another case in point. We are really in for some shoddy leadership!

  • Pernosco - 2011-08-29 10:53

    ''scandal''? ''outcry''? if we we had a referendom on the death penalty it would be overwhelmingly accepted by all, black, white and whatever!

  • Mmoledi - 2011-08-29 11:10

    Some times when a person is working under orders of a dictator or personal ruler he has no choice but to say whatever he was asked by his masters to do for the sake of his family and life, so by then he was working for the state Bophuthatswana and every one knows well what was happening in that former state. Let the person be given a chance to proof himself in his new work, this is a democratic country he will be operating using or under new laws of the country which he must follow,now JSC were working with him the whole time being quite now because he is appointed as their boss they start to scratch there and there looking for his past mistakes, we are all human beings and all have mistakes we are not angels so all people accusing the new judge has got personal issues with him there is no clear concrete reasons and facts even scandals about the new judge it is just that they want their own person there that is why they are crying like that.Let the work be done and forget about the new judge respect the president decissions, he appointed that person also helped by the same JSC and his qualified team of legal advisers so the newly judge is ok,what if president could have appointed a white person there? every thing was going to be ok and that person be praised from head to toe now he is black even the same black people who should support him are against him what is wrong with you Africans?white people will never make any noise of their persons so blacks stop being chess porns.

  • beicime - 2011-08-29 11:18

    As I said before, the nominee has values that meet ANC policies and interests and that's what counts. I think that Malema should support the nomination.

  • Tony - 2011-08-29 12:10

    Judge Mogoeng should be commended for his stand point on the death penalty. It is because of its abolishment that crime has spiralled out of control; the jails are over crowded and murder is still high in our society. Any form of savage act needs to be dealt with swiftly and the full might of the law should be used.Judge Mogoeng you have my full support!

      CheekyR - 2011-08-29 13:55

      Nobody has the right to claim somebody elses life, even if they themselves have committed murder. Two wrong don't make a right, it would just make a country filled with murderers some illegal and some authorized murderers... i do agree that it would make the jails empty and some what "better" (for the lack of a better word), but would it prove anything? What about those innocennt people who are falsely convicted or were just at the wrong place at the wrong time and there's not enough substantial evidence to prove otherwise? What about them? Suitable punishments should be delt out and not just confinement to a reasonably comfortable room with food and clean facilities. Just think about it...

  • CheekyR - 2011-08-29 13:47

    Mogoeng would actually be a laugh a minute if his idiocy wasn't making a mokery of our justice system...

  • Sadsack - 2011-08-29 15:21

    You guy's don't get it! Zoom Zoom wants to fill all the positions with ppl like himself who are tainted to have political leverage and be able to trun the tables when the time calls for it! The whole government with all their kronies should be put out on the street back to where they came from! I'm need a calculator now to count the number of suspected fellons employed in the RSA government! My fingers just aren't enough anymore!

  • Unskinny Bob - 2011-08-29 15:57

    Death penalty = win.

  • munchkin.ross - 2011-08-29 18:36

    Bring it back, anyone with a sentence greater than 70 years should be hung. That way our tax money can hopefully go to better use than feeding our criminals

  • OLIBO - 2011-08-29 18:50

    Why did Zuma overlook Judges Mpati and Ngoepe for the position of CJ? Both judges command more respect than Mogoeng and they have more experience on the bench than Moseneke. Beside being a darling of the media, Mosenele is paying the price for first accummulating wealth through the BEE schemes and then pretending to be a judge. Do you think Ramaphosa will ever be considered for the Presidency? Tokyo, may be, by buying Malema and ANCYL. For Cameron - forget it - Mzansi is an African country. Can you imagine an being appointed CJ in Australia, Canada, France or UK?

  • michael.e.bowery - 2011-08-29 18:51

    He comes from the same background where women are like chattels and can be bullied abused and raped at the will of the man - the black man. Fortunately, the black women are emerging from the dark ages and are beginning to hold their own. It is no longer just a man's world Judge, wake up to it.

  • unwanted - 2011-08-29 21:22

    It is obvious that very few people read past the first sentence. It does not say that he is wanting the death penalty brought back, just that he pushed for it in a time when it was legal. And, that despite the fact that the accused had inadequate representation and had a chance of appeal he didnt want to delay the execution. Is that what we really want in this country? Found guilty, sentenced to death and executed without a chance at appeal/fair representation. Picture the scene: you walk into your neighbours house after hearing screams, find your neighbour dead on the floor, you touch the phone and the table etc before calling the cops. Cops arrive, arrest you, quick courtcase and you are executed. No chance to appeal, might sound farfetched, but it is not impossible. Now, our SAPS/courts are not necessarily the most objective or uncorrupted system in the world, whose to say it wont happen?

  • Big-D - 2011-08-29 22:14

    Let him preside over the traffic court. Far safer

  • Jynxd - 2011-08-30 09:08

    Hey Mr Mogoeng, I endorse you! I hope you get the job and bring back the death penalty. Tragically our country needs some shock therapy.

  • Papito - 2011-08-30 14:02

    first of all as a man of GOD he was should not have pushed for the hanging of the convict. this add more doubt about his vision. coconut.

  • Vuyo - 2011-12-15 17:23

    The lobby groups are the greatest threat to our well-being , because it's not clear who they represent but they always demand a voice . They are ussually a small group , now why not have a referendum on the death penalty and see what the people will say . Otherwise it is refreshing to rralise that there are still judges who support the death penalty . I also believe that if it can be applied to very serious crime , there would be less mob justice and necklacing .

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