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More pressure on Zuma over Mogoeng

2011-09-07 09:46

Johannesburg - The Nobel Women's Initiative on Wednesday joined organisations urging President Jacob Zuma to withdraw his nomination for Judge Mogoeng Mogoeng as chief justice, the Sonke Gender Justice Network said.

Members of the Nobel Women's Initiative who are also Nobel laureates, feel that Mogoeng's many rulings undermined women's rights, and are at odds with values enshrined in the Constitution, Sonke spokesperson Mbuyiselo Botha said.

Laureates, Jody Williams, Shirin Ebadi and Mairead Maguire joined Sonke, Section 27, the Treatment Action Campaign and the Lesbian and Gay Equality Project in the call.

Lenient sentences

Mogoeng's rulings issued lenient sentences in cases of rape and domestic violence, including in cases of child rape, he said. It has undermined the severity of the crime of rape, and its consequences for victims.

"His rulings also invoked dangerous myths about rape, that often blame the victims themselves, and excuse perpetrators of egregious crimes."

If Mogoeng is appointed, it will also diminish women's trust in the judiciary, and tarnish South Africa's reputation as a champion for equality and women's rights, Botha said.

"We call on President Zuma not to appoint Judge Mogoeng as South Africa's chief justice."

The Judicial Service Commission (JSC) had not yet officially revealed its stance on Mogoeng, a member of the Winners Chapel International church.

Mogoeng was questioned about his religious views during his interview for the post by the JSC at the weekend.

He told the commission on Sunday that God wanted him appointed to the job. He said he prayed and got a sign that "it was the right thing to do", after Zuma nominated him.

A JSC commissioner, speaking on condition of anonymity, said JSC members had voted in Mogoeng's favour.

Meeting

Meanwhile, Zuma cancelled a meeting with DA leader Helen Zille on Tuesday, over Mogoeng's nomination.

Zuma's spokesperson Mac Maharaj said the president received Zille's submission on Monday afternoon, and if he needed clarity on it he would approach her.

"He is studying it. He is studying all the responses. At the moment it suffices. If he needs further clarity on it, he will turn to her."

Maharaj said Zuma would decide whether to appoint Mogoeng "in due course".

Comments
  • amabok - 2011-09-07 09:55

    Zero chance of a withdrawal. You see Zuma and his henchmen do not serve the public interest just their personal interests. His selection and subsequent rejection of interest groups is consistent with this agenda.

      sganja - 2011-09-07 10:03

      It's really unfair to both Zuma and Mogoeng.

      Civil_Rights - 2011-09-07 10:15

      There is no chance of a withdrawal, mere mortals can't challenge the Shower Head God's decision...Tis feeble humans, thy shower head is stronger than thy fart. The voice of public interest shall remain as silent as the night.

      Civil_Rights - 2011-09-07 10:17

      sganja you sucking up so much, I can see Zuma's and Mogoeng's DNA on your lips.

      Khoisan X - 2011-09-07 10:22

      "It was only a joke Mogoeng...can't believe you went ahead and applied.." came a LOUD voice from the heavens.

      poenskop - 2011-09-07 10:35

      Actually i like this nomination. Its time to tell all the liberals that alot of us still stand for Christian values and for family values. The humanists and gay rights people just want to destroy what is good and right. But we don't bash them, we pray for them and ask God to soften their hearts and to deliver them from the claws od satan himself. Oh, yes, for those of you that are going to now diss me, i pray for you too. The gift of life Jesus offers you is free and simple, all you need to do is accept it.

      Ma eyzeen - 2011-09-07 10:42

      Mogoeng was declered fit to be a chief justice so backoffffff...

      mo-man - 2011-09-07 10:45

      @Ma eyzeen: One to many F there

      Oxygen - 2011-09-07 10:46

      @poenskop _ your god/jesus/christ is a repulsive entity if he/she/it advocates what mogoeng claims is the right way of judging things. I am disgusted by your remark.

      GT - 2011-09-07 10:48

      Poeskop - the reason we have laws drafted by men is so that we are protected from eejits like you. WATCH THIS from on of the great movies of all time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-nJR15e0F4

      poenskop - 2011-09-07 10:49

      Oxygen, don't display your ignorance of South African law. Jdg Mogoeng was doing his job, the humanist have twisted the truth and only give a part of the judgement. Here read this, this is written by one of their own. http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/readerblog/2011/09/03/a-conscientious-man-why-the-media-witch-hunt-of-justice-mogoeng-cannot-be-justified God loves you man as much as you despise him, when he died on the cross he thought of you, his sacrfice was for you. I'll put you on my prayer list. Love you man

      poenskop - 2011-09-07 10:52

      GT, the reason the world is going down the toilet is because we have laws drafted by men. You made the list too man. Love you all

      Oxygen - 2011-09-07 10:54

      @poenskop Oh Balls, man.

      daaivark - 2011-09-07 10:55

      GT, obscenity is hardly a civilised way to debate. I don't agree with "poenskop" myself, at all. But still, normal reasoning should be enough. Poenskop, we don't all share your deep trust in some deity, particularly not one as narrow and skewed as the one Mogoeng seems to have imported into his exceedingly narrow little world, so thanks but no thanks to your offer of a free gift.

      poenskop - 2011-09-07 10:55

      GT, the reason the world is going down the toilet is because we have laws drafted by man. You also made the list, love you all

      poenskop - 2011-09-07 10:59

      aahh, daivark, I have been waiting for you, I have been praying for you for a while now. I know that Jesus will soften your heart and remove the scales that have you blinded. Like Saul you too will be a mighty Warrior for God. He loves you and died for you.

      Azazel - 2011-09-07 11:01

      HAHA DUMBASS NEWS24 HAD TO CLOSE THE COMMENTS FACILITY ON "BLACKS NOT HAVING OPPORTUNITIES" BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FLOODED WITH TRUTH!! NEWS24 IS 1 OF THE BIGGEST ANC SUPPOTAS!

      poenskop - 2011-09-07 11:02

      In response. Moegoeng is a man, and thereby fallible. we all are. Don't judge God on a mere mortal. Please read this. http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/readerblog/2011/09/03/a-conscientious-man-why-the-media-witch-hunt-of-justice-mogoeng-cannot-be-justified/

      braveheart - 2011-09-07 11:07

      Sganja why on earth do you feel sorry for them - WE the citizens of this country are the victims. Feel sorry for those who want to see justice done. Not for a president who has no respect for the Constitution. If he did his work properly in the first instance this could have been avoided. Hy is messing around. The nominee should withdraw - if he has any integrity.

      WhiteEagle - 2011-09-07 11:07

      @Poenskop, was the bible not also written by man? Who else as written,God? I respect your beliefs but try and be realistic.

      justmejoe - 2011-09-07 11:07

      F@ck Zuma and malema, the ANC and all it's followers @ sganja Go make me some tea biaatch

      Sharkbite - 2011-09-07 11:13

      Oh poenskop, there's an "n" in your name that shouldn't be there. You are giving Christians a terrible name.

      poenskop - 2011-09-07 11:16

      @whiteeagle, i am not going to be drawn into technical, humanistic/atheist arguments, you guys are pretty clever in that department. I am simply telling you about the Love of a God that came down and died on the cross for you and me. I tell you this simply from my own personal experience of what he has done for me and how he has looked after me. The rest is up to you man. Its between you and him.

      GT - 2011-09-07 11:20

      I swear that was a typing error. Freudian slip or what... LOL. Please accept my apologies!!

      Atholl - 2011-09-07 11:24

      Judge v Judge ........ Politician v Judge Judge v Politician ... Public v Judge Judge v Public ....... Judge v Constitution Constitution v Judge sitting here in the Caribbean, watching Big Ships barren with Gold go by .. I can see through my telescope who the winners will be ... ..... the silent ones, the ones who move by night, the secret plotters ... the advisers and the dividers. When everyone is divided & locked in the arena .... that's when they'll make their move ... nobody wins ... except the dividers, the shipping merchants and some pirates.

      Mike - 2011-09-07 11:38

      @poenskop I am saddened by the sheer arrogance of your posts: implying that your beliefs (which, have you never considered have been skewed by man?) are 100% correct as if you were speaking for God Himself. I respect your entitlement to your beliefs, however I also believe you do others and yourself a great disservice in being inflexible and unaccommodating of other's perspectives. If it wasn't for "those humanists" and "gay rights people" we'd probably still be stuck in an era where abuse, fueled by hate, would be the furthest-from-Christ-teaching norm that existed in our not too distant history, together with other evils such as race segregation, gender segregation etc - all of which go against how I understand the teachings of Jesus. So therefore, from my own experience and witnessing, as with those of millions of others, the humanists and activists of many sort, have been far more "Christian" than the majority of those who label themselves such on a Sunday have. Thank you for your prayers, as I am sure one will be forthcoming after you have read this. However, sometimes one has to get off ones butt and actually do something - just like the humanists and rights activists do

      poenskop - 2011-09-07 11:55

      Ah, mike, once again the brilliant prose of the usual argument. I never once endorsed any of the things you mention, and neither does Christ. There is freedom , love and Joy in Christ for any and ALL that accept him,. It is not arrogance it is the simple truth. You are either the wheat or you are the chaff. The choice is yours. If i have offended you then i have done my job correctly here. There is no middle ground here no debate or argument. You are either for Christ or you are for Satan. Period man. The choice remains yours.

      voltaire - 2011-09-07 12:25

      @ Poenskop Did you really just post the blog of "a novelist and freelance journalist" as a counter to criticisms from members of the bar, Professors of law and other legal academics? Seriously?

      Warren - 2011-09-07 16:58

      It's nice to see the ANCWL silent for once.

  • Malema fan - 2011-09-07 09:55

    Zuma will study it "Yeah Sure" with a grade 4 education dancing is his only skills Mate!!

      Felix - 2011-09-07 10:09

      Vertical and lateral, lol.

      gaharaa - 2011-09-07 10:31

      The wobble waltz and the sheet shuffle.

      SolomonMagalefa - 2011-09-07 10:38

      He appoints somebody to go through it for him and then brief him with an executive summary @Malema fan. That's how it works in any government - otherwise the head of state would never be able to get out of his/her office (irrespective of reading skills). I really wish that some commentators would apply their minds before posting comments.

      Felix - 2011-09-07 10:44

      So Sol, are you agreeing that he CAN'T study it himself?

      gaharaa - 2011-09-07 10:45

      Solomon. That comment is atrociously biased. I wish some people would apply their minds before posting cr@p.

      SolomonMagalefa - 2011-09-07 11:05

      @Felix and @gaharaa - please don't display your ignorance about common business practice. Anybody who works close to the top structure in any organisation (Government or NGO) will tell you that that's how it is done. Presidents (in this case Zuma), CEO's, Directors, etc get masses of written correspondence addressed to them. It is IMPOSSIBLE for them to personally go through everything themselves. I also find it quite narrow minded to infer that the intelligence of an individual can be determined solely on on the basis of formal education. I know people with post-graduate qualifications, who are totally devoid of common sense while others, with far lesser academic credentials, are acknowledged icons in their respective domains.

      gaharaa - 2011-09-07 11:16

      Most CEO's, Directors, Executives etc require a formal education Solomon. This is Mr President man we're talking about. If he doesn't require one, then screw it, my kids don't need one. Cheaper in the long run. And to add, HE made the nomination. Not some "appointment". HE is responsible. HE would be the one doing the consideration. It rests on HIS shoulders.

      gaharaa - 2011-09-07 11:17

      Besides, it's HIS Chief Justice dude. He definitely wants his hand in THAT cookie jar.

      SolomonMagalefa - 2011-09-07 12:07

      @gaharaa please read my comments in the context of the fist comment by @Malema fan who now seems to be M.I.A. Yes most leaders have a formal education, but it doesn't necessarily follow that they MUST have it for the reasons stated.

      gaharaa - 2011-09-07 12:15

      Regardless of the people you know Solomon, CEO's actually DO require it. And he is the biggest CEO of them all. With a smaller salary. But still, the presidency should require it, so Malema fans comment is spot on. All Jacob Zuma is, is charismatic. Hence Malema fan's "Dancing" comment.

      onetickie - 2011-09-07 12:26

      @Grant Hide: Because they don't have the intellectual ability to think about implementing laws to protect essential resources, maybe this is there way of "culling" over-population???

      gaharaa - 2011-09-07 12:36

      You have to understand Solomon, he is nominating someone, who to the rest of us seems a tad dubious, to one of the most powerful positions in the country. And when we consider who is doing the nomination we have to consider the...um...thought??...behind that decision. WE need to hope that it is an "educated" one. In almost all of our opinions, it is agreed that one MUST be educated to make a decision like that.

  • daaivark - 2011-09-07 09:59

    Toothless, did your mind disappear with those teeth. Zuma will grace this with as much attention and courtesy as he did Zille. In other words, none.

  • Prof - 2011-09-07 09:59

    The constitution allows him to choose whoever he thinks is appropriate for the position. You can complain ,but that won't change.

      olo - 2011-09-07 10:16

      The constitution says that he should consult (s174), not choose and ask us what wwe think. he should sit down with the JSE and political parties and consult with them. Now tell me what kind of a judiciary are we going to have with a chief justice who was chosen to push the president's own agendas? How does one justify not appointing the deputy chief justice withh such experience to appoint some1 with 2 years experience in the CC?

      Ngqeku - 2011-09-07 10:31

      The constitution mentions that he must hear what the minority groups have to say. This does not mean he must necessarily do what they want. The president makes the final decision

      Wizard101 - 2011-09-07 10:39

      @ngqeku and he is the final poepol

      Ma eyzeen - 2011-09-07 10:43

      dankie Prof

      daaivark - 2011-09-07 10:57

      Unfortunately, Ngqeku and Prof, you are absolutely correct, despite Wizard's bright remark.

      GT - 2011-09-07 11:22

      Ngqeku - it means BEFORE appointing/ nominating, not AFTER Process and respect of institution has gone missing under Zuma. They just dont care.

  • Sharkbite - 2011-09-07 09:59

    PLEASE don't choose him!!!! This is a man who made the following statement regarding the rape of a 14 year old girl: He said: "One can safely assume that [the accused] must have been mindful of [the victim's] tender age and was thus so careful as not to injure her private parts, except accidentally, when he penetrated her. That would explain why the child was neither sad nor crying when she returned from the shop, notwithstanding the rape. In addition to the tender approach that would explain the absence of serious injuries and the absence of serious bleeding, he bought her silence and cooperation with Simba chips and R30."

      ck - 2011-09-07 10:23

      That should be the end of the discussion.

      El Nicko - 2011-09-07 10:30

      //facepalm delux !!

      Sharkbite - 2011-09-07 10:36

      ck, you would think that right? And this is just one of many. If you just google Mogoeng rulings, you will find a pile of rulings giving child rapists lighter sentences and excusing woman abusers because the woman "asked for it". And his reasoning behind it is absurd, it actually makes me sick.

      amabok - 2011-09-07 10:37

      Sadly in the African National Culture there is a sickening lack of civility which is reflected in statements such as those above that attempt to mititgate the ghastly act of rape!

      Julian - 2011-09-07 10:44

      Sharkbite, I think ck means that that should be the end of the discussion on Mogoeng's fitness: that he ISN'T fit.

      Sharkbite - 2011-09-07 11:10

      Julian, I know that's what he means, I am agreeing with him. Don't know how he can even be in the running after a statement like that!

      E_O - 2011-09-07 11:12

      This is absolutely shocking. How could this man have been allowed to be a judge at all, let alone chief justice?

  • Annman - 2011-09-07 10:00

    Really sad your stance is so reverse-racist, Toothless, painting every single pale person with the same brush. No racial group should do that to another, it breeds intolerance. The matter at hand is Mogoeng's credentials and has nothing to do with white or black. I guess in the absence of a legitimate argument, we must use bigotry to deflect.

      Felix - 2011-09-07 10:13

      No such thing as reverse racist. It's just racist. Toothless and Polio etc are a couple of guys in the news24 office having a ball getting their ratings up, and our tempers.

  • zulufox - 2011-09-07 10:01

    Wow... some interesting news! NOT.

      Wizard101 - 2011-09-07 10:44

      Maybe you will change your view when your mother or sister gets raped and he is the judge that oversee the case in court and he tells your mother or sister no it was accidental and that they got paid for it with a packet of chips.Moegoe.

  • Nintendo - 2011-09-07 10:03

    The (A)lliance of (N)on-delivery and (C)orruption.

      Felix - 2011-09-07 10:11

      And Nation Chokers.

  • Mnumzane - 2011-09-07 10:03

    Why the media focus only on those who are not infavour of Mogoeng. If truth can be told there is no judge that always make judgements that favours everyone. Hands off Mogoeng and hands off Zuma. Some of us want Mogoeng and we will petition Zuma if he decides otherwise. Like everyone Mogoend has learnt from his mistakes and what we want is someone who made mistakes in the past as he will be able to correct them in the future.

      Sharkbite - 2011-09-07 10:28

      What mistakes Mnumzane? Do you even know about some of the rulings he's made?? Anybody who can rule that a child of 7's rapist's prison sentence should be reduced from 5 years to 2 years because she was not "badly injured" did not make a small mistake, there is something morally wrong with him. Please, do me a favour, read up on some of his rulings on child rape and woman and spousal abuse, and then you tell me that you want this man as your Chief Justice. Unless you are just as sick as him and you believe that a woman who was abused asked for it and child rape is not all that serious.

      Seanred - 2011-09-07 10:34

      You guys love mistakes.

      jakkals - 2011-09-07 10:39

      err...what is Mogoeng to learn in Sharkbite's quote from a judgment he made? Did he go home that night and though by himself "Wow, I nailed that judgment today. Screw the psychological damage the child suffers, physical injuries trumps that". Mnumzane, what if this was a ruling wherein you had interest in? If it was your daughter who wasn't badly injured by being raped? Should you then trust this man's future judgments?

      missmazwi - 2011-09-07 10:41

      Mnumzane, why are you so keen to have a Judge who is pro-rape (if his judgements are anything to go by) heading up the ConCourt? Is it because Zuma was taken to court on a Rape charge a few years ago?

      Goose - 2011-09-07 10:47

      @Mnumzane Sorry bud, but a "mistake" like that repeatedly paints the picture of a Malema mindset where ALL rape victims were "willing" regardless of age etc. That is not a mistake but a depraved mind!

      daaivark - 2011-09-07 10:59

      Because the vast majority of sane people in this country think he is a bad choice, Mnumzane. So media will focus on it. That's how things work.

      Sharkbite - 2011-09-07 10:59

      poenskop, I have read the statements made by this man in cases on child rape and woman abuse. I have gone to great lengths to research him, before making the statements I have made. Go do some digging, for FACTS, not opinion. And then please tell me how this statement, in ANY context, can be treated without pure disgust: "One can safely assume that [the accused] must have been mindful of [the victim's] tender age and was thus so careful as not to injure her private parts, except accidentally, when he penetrated her. That would explain why the child was neither sad nor crying when she returned from the shop, notwithstanding the rape. In addition to the tender approach that would explain the absence of serious injuries and the absence of serious bleeding, he bought her silence and cooperation with Simba chips and R30." I see above that you call yourself a Christian. So how, with Christian values, can you justify this statement? I'm sorry, but the fight against child rape is not a feminist fight, it is a universal, non racial, non sexist fight. NO child should ever have to endure that. I would love to know how you would react if (God forbid) something like that had to happen to your daughter and the judge reduced the rapist's sentence because she did not show signs of physical injury. That child will FOREVER be scarred, it doesn't have to be visible.

      daaivark - 2011-09-07 11:02

      Also Mnumzane, we don't want a Chief Justice who still has to make mistakes and learn from them, for God's sake. A person in that position can't afford to make mistakes as they affect the very lives of people. That is what one requires experience for. Experience he clear does not have. This is all so obvious it is really quite distressing that people don't grasp this most simple truth.

      gatvol4corru - 2011-09-07 18:19

      you share a brain with juju?

  • Storm Voort - 2011-09-07 10:03

    Oh come on!! We all know the reason why Zuma cancelled his meeting with Zille is because he is too stupid to have an intelligent conversation with her....

      African - 2011-09-07 11:15

      Out of all parties why DA? I would cancel the meeting too If I was Zuma. Who doe she think she is?

      grant9 - 2011-09-07 23:10

      @african. Leader of the opposition for a start.

  • DABOSS247365 - 2011-09-07 10:04

    All these dam activists... enough already, get on with the nomination, get it done, end of story. The guy supports the death penalty, that in itself is a strong enough cause for me to support him!!! The President has the final, constitutional say, & thats that. Unhappy? vote differently next time, but I think its high time these small groups of loudmouths claiming rights for their own causes should stop. ignore them, nominate him, end of story case closed.

      voltaire - 2011-09-07 10:20

      Your downplaying of other people's rights does nothing to their rights. It makes you a persecutor.

      Seanred - 2011-09-07 10:36

      I support the death penalty, but not the rape of woman or Moegoe.

      DABOSS247365 - 2011-09-07 10:42

      Where does it say this guy "SUPPORTED" rape of women??? how many of us actually know the man to comment? lol, all these online forums & all our comments are a farce, as they are all biased, they are all personal, they are mostly offensive & they have almost nothing to do with any reality, & hopefully will never be taken seriously by anybody

      daaivark - 2011-09-07 11:03

      Right, so you're saying that once one votes one has to shut up for the next four years? Get real.

      Nkalakatha - 2011-09-07 11:20

      @ DABOSS: " online forums " Why do you then bother to comment on these sites ??? Zuma clearly overlooked the support of the death penalty claim, because that will NEVER EVER become law again in this country !!

  • Richard - 2011-09-07 10:09

    To study an argument submitted by an educated writer it is necessary to understand the nuance of disapproval and rejection. Our President has proven his ability haha!!!!!

  • sushi - 2011-09-07 10:09

    shower head does not listen i dont see that happening?the argument raised for the withdrawal is far too complicated for him to understand, considering the level of education he has.who ever is advising shower head he is a total disaster.

  • TaSaqz - 2011-09-07 10:10

    My fellow Batswana brothers and sisters all over the universe, this scathing attack on the Chief Justice (CJ) presidential nominee, Judge Mogoeng Mogoeng is an attack on our very existence within the democratic setting in South Africa and it’s time we stood up and protected one of our own. Violence has never been our modus operandi and let’s keep it that way. Let’s put our abundant intellectual capacity to work and quash the loud mouths of Zille and company. A pen is mightier than a sword. All well-meaning South Africans, we’ve all heard from the horse’s mouth and I’m sure that most of us agree that there’s so much hope in Judge Mogoeng. Zille has eroded the little bit of hope in me, as a possible alternative. The only thing that affords Hellen Zille some space in my heart is: her telling us about Biko's death in prison, as a journalist back then.

      Sharkbite - 2011-09-07 10:22

      Yes, let's stand by this man who believes that child rape is not serious and that woman (especially spousal) abuse is justified. Viva Woman abuse, Viva!!!! Viva Child rape, Viva!!!! Idiot.

      ck - 2011-09-07 10:29

      This is not the recruitment of the local magistrate. It is for the position of Chief Justice.it can't be seriously suggested that he is the best candidate. And let's mot turn this into a racial issue. All the serious candidates are black.

      bill - 2011-09-07 10:49

      "abundant intellectual capacity" The hell you have if you vote for zuma

      Goose - 2011-09-07 10:52

      @TaSaqz "Violence has never been our modus operandi." As black people, violence is the ONLY modus-operandi. Your actions speak louder than words and prove you a liar! When did any balck nation in history ever use "intellect" to overcome a situation? Come on man, we as South Africans can only ever move forward if we are at least honest with ourselves. We all have faults, but deceiving yourself is a dead-end street!

      daaivark - 2011-09-07 11:07

      To which "abundant intellectual capacity" do you refer? And from which horse's mouth did this great wisdom flow? It seems your party bias has affected your ability to distinguish. Application of party dogma is definitely no way to gauge intellectual capacity.

      Nkalakatha - 2011-09-07 11:25

      @Ta Saqz: Is this now becomming a tribalist thing ??? Had enough of the Zulus ??? Huh

      gatvol4corru - 2011-09-07 18:22

      I guess,you watched an Obama speech to write this comment? IDIOT

  • Alscripto - 2011-09-07 10:12

    Do any of you realize that this is a management/administrative position which requires good administrative skills. The chief justice does not dictate law, hear appeals or reviews so his legal skills are mostly irrelevant . He is rumoured to be a good administrator which is what we need.So if he unifies the Judiciary and includes magistrates interests he has my vote. by the way i am a white male magistrate.

      Seanred - 2011-09-07 10:38

      "He is rumoured to be a good administrator which is what we need." Thats ok then?

      jakkals - 2011-09-07 10:43

      how did the Magistrate, who sentenced a child rapist to 5 years, feel when it was reduced to 2 years?

      ck - 2011-09-07 10:46

      We need more than rumours of his admin abilities. Great! He headed a 6 judge division . Sorry but that is just not enough. You also overlook the fact he plays a role in allocating judges for very important cases....... Scarey.

      missmazwi - 2011-09-07 10:46

      Yes, Alscripto but guess what - he is soft on rape. His "Africanist' bible punching doesn't help either. This guys value system is the issue. No doubt about it. And his value system will be an issue in the future.

      Nkalakatha - 2011-09-07 11:30

      @Alscripto: So what has your skin colour have to do with your posting ?? Go back to the BENCH and WORK!! The courts are sitting with huge back-logs while you are playing on the computer!!Sies Mr Magistrate !!

  • Nasturtium - 2011-09-07 10:13

    Can Judge Mogoeng please tell us in what form his confirmation from God came that he is the right person for the job? Just wondering about hearing voices and ascertaining whose is whose?

      Nkalakatha - 2011-09-07 11:33

      He said it came in the form of a goat and then there after in the form of a small man with a beard.

  • Babba x - 2011-09-07 10:14

    But Zoom Zoom also undermines woman's rights. What's the issue here? He needs a buddy that can back him when he has a problem again

  • WiseOwl2 - 2011-09-07 10:14

    FORGET - THIS REGIME IS THE CONSTITUTION , JUDGE,JURY AND PROSECUTOR.

  • Brendan - 2011-09-07 10:15

    God said "come forth" - Mogoeng tripped and came fifth lol

  • Tolerant - 2011-09-07 10:18

    He only lsten to the NEC.

  • bill - 2011-09-07 10:21

    zuma has always treated women as possessions.His personal history includes 1 wife divorced, 1 commited suicide and his official harem was cheated on with a child out of wedlock.To cap it all , he alledgedly raped a woman young enough to be his daughter . No wonder this creature wants to appoint a man of questionable values.

  • Goose - 2011-09-07 10:25

    "He said he prayed and got a sign that "it was the right thing to do", after Zuma nominated him." Question: what God does Mogoeng pray to? If we are specifically talking about "the ancestors" or similar here, then SA we have a problem! "The ancestors" have seen to it that the masses remain impoverished, illiterate, poor and dumb. This is the same "God" that JZ calls upon. The God of the Christian Bible demands absolute purity, integrity, and commitment. These are the furtherest "qualities" in most of the black beliefs in Africa. Sorry for being so frank and honest.

      bill - 2011-09-07 10:45

      well said

  • Marius B - 2011-09-07 10:28

    Cadre deployment, cadre deployment, cadre deployment! When will it stop!!!!!!!!!!!

  • s r - 2011-09-07 10:30

    Mack the Hack!

  • Scotsman - 2011-09-07 10:44

    Its interesting that a lot noise is being made over this nomination.What I want to know is what is being done about the "Lease" culprits,Cele and Gwen.This mus'nt be allowed to just dissapear from our memories!!

  • Nick Garas - 2011-09-07 10:44

    He did say that there are degrees of rape? I have to say I am simple, I always thought rape was rape? its like saying someone died a little?-sorry very confused!

  • Goose - 2011-09-07 10:44

    If Sharkbite's comment containing Mogoengs judgement on a rape case is correct, then indeed SA is ruled by a savage nation. Absolutely disgusting to protect a rapist of a minor and quash the rights of the minor in true Julias Malema style!

  • AndV - 2011-09-07 10:55

    JSC = ANC. Useless bunch.

  • poenskop - 2011-09-07 11:00

    in response, Mogoeng is a man. And that is why he is fallible. All men are. Please read this. http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/readerblog/2011/09/03/a-conscientious-man-why-the-media-witch-hunt-of-justice-mogoeng-cannot-be-justified

      george.albertyn - 2011-09-07 11:16

      and so where the guys that wrote / edited the bible ... It's just a story - nice story - but still only that. Read it. Think about it, but free your mind and use your god given talents to explore the absurd traditions and lies behind organized religion - that keep your views as narrow as they are expressed on this issue.

  • Nkalakatha - 2011-09-07 11:02

    Come 2012 !!! Zuma is going to get the boot just like they did with Thabo !!! Time for a new President !!! Nkandla is waiting where you and this clown of a Mogoeng can sip Ijuba !

  • reader4444@24.com - 2011-09-07 11:10

    Does the SA constitution have an impeachment clause? This Zuma clown is trashing the country and seemingly there is very little we can do before the next general election.

  • Tilo von Brandis - 2011-09-07 11:10

    What I don’t understand; all the people supporting Zuma's decision believe that the people or groups opposing this decision are racist. This is not a racist argument. Nobody suggest that a white person should stand for Judge President. The argument is that there are many more capable judges to choose from, the problem with these judges according to Zuma is that they are to politically independent of Zuma's influence, and therefore ignored as candidates for this position. The Constitution implies that the judiciary should be independent and unbiased in political and well as social stances, and Mogoeng is not that person. So all racists and "reverse racists" think about your future and the future of your children and get of this argument that we need to support Zuma because Zuma is not is not supporting you, this decision is not in the interest of the nation, he is looking after himself, his own personal powerbase!

  • letsee - 2011-09-07 11:14

    Does Zuma care?

  • djmilano.26 - 2011-09-07 11:22

    stupid groups sticking their noses where they dont belong

  • YES - 2011-09-07 11:32

    White people and their institutions are at it again. Sonke just like Tac are increasingly showing their stand in respect to black issues and aspirations. I am sure they will all be quite if a white or non-white judge is appointed over black ones. Zuma just have to put his foot down and closed his ears to all the noise emanating from white people.

  • Zackery - 2011-09-07 11:38

    forget it! It is merely a formality. The fact that his initial decision to even consider this Moegoe#$% guy, would surely mean that he will "refuse" to see the logic in withdrawing his selection... c'mon... has he ever admitted to making a mistake or even apologised?

  • Humpme Dumpm - 2011-09-07 11:39

    Zooomer not worried about Nobel Laureates.......he'll just marry them instead

  • Stacey Hann - 2011-09-07 11:50

    I want to comment on the story Zuma: Black people have no opportunities they have closed the comments on the article not sure why. They talk about poverty in one race but every one is battling, even the whites, we go into a minus month because the living expenses are too high and will only get worse once the ORT begins! they can't see what they are doing they just see $$$$$$$ and we must all suffer - i don't own my own business! people go to jail because they comitted a crime - is poverty the reason for murder, rape, petty crimes get out on bail quick man - our judicila system is a mess because we are so packed in the prisons because people have life sentencees for inhumane crimes.

      JM - 2011-09-07 11:58

      @Stacey - they closed the comments because they can't handle the truth. Prisons are so full because the moral fibre of this country has deteriorated to a level that belongs in the dark ages. The government sets the prime example - it is ok to loot state coffers and that even if you are caught red handed there is no consequences. The masses simply want a piece of the pie. Why work for it if you are well connected or can steal something? If this government were only half as passionate about the real issues (corruption, maladministration, a dysfunctional education system, etc) as they were about black vs white and about apartheid this country’s economy would thrive in less than a decade.

      Humpme Dumpm - 2011-09-07 13:37

      Stacey, I too am diasppointed about the other Zoomer story....its actuallt Stats 101......95% of the country's population is black.....95% of the jails will be black......its not rocket science.....its not racial profiling.....its just the law of averages.....if he wants them out of jails he has to do 2 things: - 1. fix the education system, make it harder to get a matric, not easier, set the bar, make it a worthwhile education 2. fix the labour laws....if you don't work, and work well, then we'll find someone who wants to. A little "tough love" would do wonders!!!

  • tanjera - 2011-09-07 12:33

    It scares the hell out of me when a dimwit like Zuma "applies his mind" to something - nothing worthwhile can come out of that.

  • MrsSmith - 2011-09-07 14:04

    @ Poenskop - I am a christian too, and very proud to say so. But there is NO way that the God I serve, will stand for a man like Mogoeng. So he is against gay rights sure, but do you think our God, a God of love, approves of a child or woman being raped? Do you think He loves a gay man, or lesbian woman any less than you or me who are hetrosexual? He who made us all, in the end? Who is this Mogoeng, to give less harsh judgement because of his personal believes? And if your own daughter / sister / mother is raped, will you still be so eager to have him as the Judge?

  • Le_clemente - 2011-09-07 14:35

    Does Zuma ever make a decision? Cause he is forever thinking about things indefinitely. Our "great" President

  • mbuzi mee - 2011-09-07 16:09

    Mogoeng Mogoeng what a rude, sarcastic, arrogant dramatic human being!!!! how is he going to handle this position (CHIEF JUSTIC)when he doesnt have RESPECT!

  • gatvol4corru - 2011-09-07 18:12

    "To Moegoe or not to Moegoe". That is the question comrade. While we decide,let's load the pockets.

  • nn.prv - 2011-09-07 21:52

    Waste of time

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