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Mulder: I am no racist

2012-02-26 14:36

Johannesburg - Freedom Front Plus leader Pieter Mulder has defended his controversial remarks on land in an interview with the Sunday Independent.

Mulder, who is also the deputy minister of agriculture, forestry and fisheries, said recently that there was sufficient evidence that there were no Bantu-speaking people in the Western Cape and north-western Cape, which constitute 40% of South Africa's land.

Mulder told the weekly he was being misunderstood by his critics.

He said he was reacting to arguments that white people had stolen land.

"Technically, no one can lay claim to land in SA. We have got a complicated system. Nobody can say this is my total land," he said.

Mulder said his argument came from history.

"When whites arrived (in the Western Cape), there were Khoi people, not blacks. In the Western Cape, brown people are complaining that they are not getting promotion in the Department of Correctional Services, but the ANC is using the land question," he said.

He defended his use of the word "Bantu", saying it was an internationally recognised word, and said he was angry about being called a racist.

"How would I have accepted the (government) post if I was racist? I get really angry about that."

Comments
  • Sinudeity - 2012-02-26 14:44

    When people dont like your views, you are branded a racist in South Africa.

      Kusleg - 2012-02-26 15:54

      Provided your views are not aligned to any race ....garang

      Sinudeity - 2012-02-26 18:17

      Kusleg - Nah, even politics is turned into a race issue. The ANC and its supporters can merely throw the "Is it cause Im black" card. Lenisto - What do you mean me?

      NlggaWitattitude - 2012-02-26 20:13

      And you one of the people who have labelled Malema a racist person.Isnt that funny?

      Sinudeity - 2012-02-26 21:07

      NlggaWitattitude - How is that funny? Did Mulder say black people are thieves and we must take their land without compensation and kick them out of the country? Julius did.

      Sinudeity - 2012-02-26 21:13

      Kusleg - And who is to blame for the CODESA negotiations? We were in a civil war after apartheid. 12,000 people killed each other. "People needed to taste really war on their door steps." Irresponsible statement. You forget that the apartheid government at the time had the strongest military in Africa. "This portrayal went with some life time benefits which manifests themselves in the disparities we are all seeing or know. It is sad but we, as a nation have to grow above that." No, you are blaming ANC corruption on the CODESA negotiations now. Where there is corruption, there is poverty. Sometimes you have to stop blaming whites, do some introspection, and start asking some hard questions about the ruling party.

      NlggaWitattitude - 2012-02-26 22:04

      you just a stupid hypocrite, responding to you will be a waste of Data bundles.

      Antebellum - 2012-02-27 00:56

      For any of you that are interrested: Pieter Mulder has been vindicated by one of South Africa's top historians, Prof. Hermann Giliomee. http://www.beeld.com/In-Diepte/Nuus/Wat-Mulder-eintlik-se-20120223

      Scebberish - 2012-02-27 05:40

      I have the answer to the land issue, but no one is listening! Make the farm workers shareholders in the farm, and the "owner" the CEO for starters. Make the farms small businesses with every Farmworker houshold leader owning a share of the business. Form a management committee responsible for security, discipline, general HR matters and training. Once the farmworkers are participating in profit sharing they will become far more responsible and enthusiastic, and they themselves will quickly evict any worker not pulling his weight and causing losses to the Farm.

      Scebberish - 2012-02-27 05:47

      Is Africa not called the "cradle of life" ! and are Africans not extremely proud of this honour ! Therefore EVERYONE is entitled to land in Africa!!!

      Barry - 2012-02-27 08:11

      When statements of fact are made it is branded as racist, the racist play is the most convenient way of avoiding the truth.

      Denise - 2012-02-27 08:24

      The land issue is not about giving blacks land, it is about taking white’s land away from them. It is not about empowering blacks it is about the economic disempowerment of whites. It is about the removal of their legitimate claim to the land. The ANC is currently busy with a process of buying white land with white taxpayer’s money. But due to their own inefficiency and uselessness they are unable to process the cases of white farmers who actually WANT to sell their farms. So the question is why bother with lengthy processes like “Willing buyer; Willing seller” when you can simply TAKE it all by force in one sweep? And by doing so you can pocket the money yourself.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-27 10:13

      @Denise, there is no such thing as "white taxpayers money", everyone in this country pays tax in one form or another..

      leonardus.breedt - 2012-02-27 11:15

      I agree,if thing's did not go there way then you are a racist.I wonder 2000 year's ago who stay here and were.Is there any solid proof of this.

      Ruan - 2012-02-27 11:45

      @ Sinudeity,,,with reference to your quote about th eold government having the strongest army in africa,,,,,the army still exists although we are not in this governments army,we are still very much here and we are waiting.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-27 14:16

      People who comment on land reform in South Africa would therefore do well to consider the following points: The first is that the amount of land in black hands is not 13% but may be as high as 50%. The second is that the 50% in white hands is held by South Africa’s food producers and that their numbers are shrinking very quickly as urban markets demand ever more cost effective production methods. The third is that any policy that compromises the ability of those farmers to produce food may trigger a series of urban protests that the government may find difficult to control.

      looneylani - 2012-02-27 15:43

      @ Scebberish... why don't you come over to facebook and post your comment about the farms on this page: http://www.facebook.com/stopfarmkillings

      nsele2 - 2012-02-28 08:23

      The fact is, no matter who white people found in the Western Cape, but this is Africa. black people may have migrated from central Africa, but they were still moving within their continent. if Europe was so prosperous and if the Europeans were so brilliant, why did they have to leave their "comfort" and come to the "dark continent"

      Peace - 2012-02-28 17:10

      Prof. Hermann Giliomee,is a bloody liar who is perpetuating distorted theory that he read in history books that were authored by imperialist colonisers.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-17 11:33

      This was Nomadic land as the indigenous people that lived here could only live in an area for a short time and move on so as to sustain life. Now there are large tracks of land in say for instance France , cos' no one has a home on the land does not mean it's uninhabited. This is a ridiculous argument. As for the postion on the goverment the cash is mightier that you integrity Mr. Mulder

  • Jeeves - 2012-02-26 14:47

    Not much could be done anyway, regardless of who got here first. None of us directly stole land. Either way we would have to figure out a way to balance the scales of land reform in a fair manner. The moment we go the route of Zimbabwe (as the Malema crowd desires)with unlawful eviction, we will know that we are truly in trouble but i don't see that happening in SA. Here we need to focus on getting our entire nation out of the chronic poverty situation by cranking up our education strategy drastically - this way everyone will be able to buy their own land and actually earn it fairly.

      Peter - 2012-02-26 16:01

      The success of land reform is not what the ANC wants. If a successful black commercial farming sector develops without hurting the white farming population, the ANC will have lost one of it's favourite populist tools to divert attention away from their failures. The ANC is not interested in solving the land issue, fact. They are not an honest organisation.

      Wesley Bischoff - 2012-02-26 17:11

      Your comment makes so much sense. Well done :-)

      Jeeves - 2012-02-26 21:37

      @Peter The ANC is a liberation movement trying its utmost to become a ruling party. If they roll out effective education they will roll out a system that will either destroy or greatly strengthen their position. Saying they are not an honest organization is not entirely right. There are great visionaries in their ranks who are constantly frustrated by corrupt, power hungry factions - much like Obama with the republicans. You simply cannot build a house when half your builders are stealing bricks or recruiting your suppliers... My point is that regardless of government, we need to roll out state of the art, effective education to the masses, not this 50 kids to a teacher mess we have at the moment. There is no changing this nation without a concentrated education drive and we will hurtle toward destruction and forced land distribution unless we fix this thing at root level. I say this constantly: Our only enemy is Ignorance!

      Denise - 2012-02-27 08:33

      The question is for how many people is land a matter of life and death? In the opinion polls of the last 20 years, the need for land never figured as a matter of priority for blacks. Job opportunities, education, affordable food, housing, services and crime were far more important.

  • Zion - 2012-02-26 14:51

    Although pathetic and small minded it is the standard method of trying to overcome a better argument by just calling your superior or opponent racist. While racism is that state of mind which is used to transfer ones own attitude to other races and persons as an automatic defence mechanism.

      Vegi - 2012-02-26 15:56

      Racism is when an individual or group of individuals does anything which prejudices others because of their race. Mulder's utterances are prejudicing our claim to the Western Cape wine farms because of our race i.e. according to him we are not the Khoi or the San.

      CyberDog - 2012-02-26 16:21

      Wow Veggie, and then by the exact same definitions you are arguing for the land claims ... your race ... Hypocritical much ? By your exact definitions, land claims is pure racism... Makes one think...

      Wesley Bischoff - 2012-02-26 16:58

      Uh Vegi... You AREN'T Khoi or San. Is that so hard to understand? Jeez. Bantu-speaking tribes that moved into this country roughly THE SAME TIME as the Europeans, are NOT the original inhanitants. That is fact. If you are going to try argue against fact then you better have on effing good argument backed up by EVIDENCE. Moron

      Zion - 2012-02-27 06:52

      Vegie, so quoting a written history is racism?

  • Julie - 2012-02-26 15:38

    No need for Pieter Mulder to defend himself, we ALL know that what he said was all twisted by certain people. He should just ignore what is being said about him. PIETER MULDER is NOT a racist!

  • Nicholas - 2012-02-26 15:40

    Mulder is just insulted and branded, but none of these people have an intelligent counter argument to what he has put forward. Instead of just playing the race card, knock him out with a counter argument. So far that has not been forthcoming.

      leonardus.breedt - 2012-02-27 11:27

      This are true they always play the black card why???I wonder 2000 years ago who stay here in South Africa.Have some body the fool proof of this with out to play a card.

  • Matanje - 2012-02-26 15:41

    I fail to understand what the furore is about Mulder's statement. Mulder read from the same textbooks that Mandela had read from before writing "Long Walk to Freedom". Mandela claims his own Tembu tribe is one with Xhosa "as from the 16th century", something disputed by every serious historian, yet no one calls Mandela a tribalist or, to revisit the Mulder saga, "a racist". We should judge all South Africans from the same yardstick and not have a yard-stick that is "anti-white" or "anti-black". The fact of the matter is: official South African history, Mulder, Mandela, ANC and you name them all, are all F...ed up! Black, Bantu, white, coloured, Bushman or anything else IS NOT AN ISSUE WHEN YOU WANT TO STUDY THIS HISTORY. We are the oldest civilization in the world. The origin of humankind is in South Africa. The very origin of life is in South Africa with the world-over's oldest rocks found in Barberton/Emjindini showing microorganisms older than two billion years. If you think Mulder is crazy, then call Mandela even crazier for using "Long Walk To Freedom" as a tool to claim "Xhosa and Tembu from the 16th century are one". True South African history will one day be written to show that Tembu is not Xhosa, but Xhosa and Zulu, expelled from Kameta ("Egypt") by the Arabic colonization of Africa, found Tembu here in South Africa, together with Batwa (so-called Bushmen), San and Khoisan here. They are part of Tonga/Dzonga or Zion, the original home of the Jews.

      Vegi - 2012-02-26 16:25

      Please pass the joint!

      Wesley Bischoff - 2012-02-26 16:43

      Excellent comment. Backed up by scientific and historical evidence. Sadly most people on here will either not understand it, or read it and be in total denial.

      Bokfan - 2012-02-26 19:24

      Hola vegi methinks have been using xtra strong stuff thats not traditional. Argue the case man, dont hate the player.

      amos.simelane - 2012-02-26 21:48

      Where on earth this fellow come from? Anyway there exist stupid people like this guy here on earth.

      ThandaMzansi - 2012-02-26 22:25

      Matanje, well said. The trouble is, most of the people on this forum aren't in the least interested in history, unless it contains the word apartheid. Facts are obsolete in South Africa, or they are called racism. When we deny fact, however, all we have left is fiction, and the authors of that fiction are using it as a tool of hatred. Cry the beloved country.

      Garth - 2012-02-27 06:28

      There is much in your comment that is factual according to `accepted' history, but . . . `We are the oldest civilization in the world.' Which part of your nose did you pick that nonsense from? And your last paragraph is . . . well, laughable to say the least.

      Zion - 2012-02-27 07:00

      So white people are not born in the cradle of mankind. So when did white people become part of the cradle of mankind? After 1652? Jirre jy kan stront praat.

      Scebberish - 2012-02-27 07:49

      Problem is the micro-organisms found here are still that, millions of years later, while the rest of the world was evolving, Africa stood still, and sadly these micro-organisms now rule the country....

      Denise - 2012-02-27 08:53

      The occupation of land in the 18th century is covered extensively at the hand of archival sources in the book “The Shaping of South African Society, 1652-1840” - author - Richard Elphick.

  • James - 2012-02-26 15:41

    There was nothing wrong with Mulder's comment. Bantu tribes were not in the Cape, nor much of the southern parts of South Africa. The San were not Bantu speaking. Just as you get French and Germans in Europe, they speak different languages. People need to seriously get a grip. Criticism of a statement is not racism. Incidentally, there are more important things to worry about in South Africa. (1) Electricity supply and demand, (2) lack of foreign investment in SA due to crazy labour laws and (3) competitiveness. South African should be worrying about these things and talking about these things... not Mulder.

      Patrick Dooms - 2012-02-26 16:25

      Why is it that you do not think that Connie Mulder is a Bantu too James? Is he genetically different from both the Khoisan and the Bantoes so called?

      James - 2012-02-26 16:30

      Patrick, who the hell is Connie Mulder?

      Peter - 2012-02-26 16:45

      You're a bright one Wesley. Please don't do that to me ...

      Garth - 2012-02-27 06:33

      @wesley bischoff - you need to purchase two things: A reliable history book - this will negate the possibility of you spewing our garbage like `Excellent comment . . .', and, A sense of humour.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-02-27 12:44

      Huh? What are you two on?

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-02-27 12:46

      How do you purchase a sense of humour? Is that why yours is so stale?

      Peter - 2012-02-28 16:53

      Wesley, have you forgotten how you reacted to my now deleted comment? Which was meant as a joke by the way. You naughty sausage!

  • gibson.mdlane - 2012-02-26 15:48

    Individuals like Pieter Mulder, who are still angry at the demise of apartheid should not make part of this new non-sexist and non racist society based on fairness and freedom we are trying to build here. If, Pieter you think there's a space for such comments and projections in this day and age, wake up! I still fail to understand how you made to it to being the deputy minister with tendencies like your own. Do the right thing, apologise and resign and focus on being leader of the so-called FF+ and lets see if you are ultimately going to be the ruling party with improper motives like yours. #utterly disgusted!

      Koos - 2012-02-26 16:21

      If you build on a lie then your foundation is weak. Just because the ANC doesn't like what he sais does not mean he is wrong. Pieter Mulder is not angry at the demise of apartheid. He is angry because the ANC uses lies to influence its constituency. The ANC proclaims that only 8% of land is in black hands. An absolute LIE!

      Peter - 2012-02-26 16:23

      What exactly did he do wrong?

      ArchAngel - 2012-02-26 16:28

      @gibsonmlane: What new non-sexist, non-racist society? Where? You are going to have a very difficult job answering those two simple questions as you are delusional. TW@T!!

      Sean - 2012-02-26 22:13

      Problem is that the white man spoke the truth , now the black man doesn`t like it and lables him as a racist !!

      Denise - 2012-02-27 08:59

      @ Koos - the government is probably not interested in these statistics, because the department acknowledged that it did not know how much land was in state possession.

  • Ian - 2012-02-26 15:52

    Unfortunately there all too many people in the this forum, in our country in general, that "argue/comment from a point of ignorance"

      Steve - 2012-02-26 18:04

      so give us your point of view

  • Samora Machel Thamsanqa - 2012-02-26 15:58

    LOL! I chuckle every time an Afrikaaner says "I am no racist". And sometimes I wonder who they are trying to fool! Pretentious bunch

      Peter - 2012-02-26 16:25

      Funny hey, and then you also try to say the same thing. Very pretentious of you, you certainly are not fooling anyone.

      Koos - 2012-02-26 16:25

      Common response when the new masters doesn't like what someone has to say. Doesn't matter if they are right or wrong. It's almost like when a worker sais "I didn't steal" or "It wasn't me" followed by "I don't lie" even though the video tells another story.

      Wesley Bischoff - 2012-02-26 16:34

      You cannot generalise and say ALL Afrikaans people are racist. That's like saying all blacks are corrupt. See? It's not right. Stereotyping is a form of racism, therefore you are racist.

      wehan.victor - 2012-02-26 16:53

      Its Afrikaner, one "a", get it right.

      Scebberish - 2012-02-27 07:56

      Uhh, Wesley, all black people ARE corrupt.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-27 10:20

      Samora, you a racist calling a racist racist... You make me laugh, you and your kind (the racists who call racists racist)..

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-02-27 12:47

      @Skebberish: i highly doubt all of them are. I know some really awesome black people with good morals.

      looneylani - 2012-02-27 15:50

      Watch out! Standing still and keeping your eye on the past will make you sink! Get with the times dude! It's 2012!

  • Cracker - 2012-02-26 16:12

    Pieter Mulder has now contextualized and clarified his remarks. He was reacting to the accusation that whites stole the land. A lie if ever there was one and calculated not for the benefit of the ordinary South African whatever the melanin concentration. The lie is being propagated for the benefit of individuals eyeing farms for themselves at a discount. The average South African will not get once square inch of land for him/herself. All lies. The land issue is nothing more than the usual dishonest trade in the emotions of the gullible. We have nowhere to move to (literally WALK to) if the commercial basis of our agriculture is destroyed. Look north and see the consequences. Not only to our immediate north. At least the latter can slip over the border so we here can look after them. And then we are being told to do the same as their governments have done. To whose benefit? F.ck the poor. They have not really experienced hunger yet. Give me my farm and let them suffer more. THIS is the reality of what is taking place. A callous attitude for personal enrichment. A characteristic so well demonstrated in so many instances. But people will still lend out their emotions for the BS to be abused. Where have all the farmers gone and who now occupies the new available land? We need an audit of land ownership and the activities on the land. Who has what and let it be made known. A few huge shocks and a lot of explaining lie ahead.

      Cracker - 2012-02-26 16:16

      The land audit must specify not only ownership but also who occupies and uses land and how much lies unused.

      Vegi - 2012-02-26 16:29

      Cracker You are a real "cracker".

      Peter - 2012-02-26 16:30

      1000's of ha's already transferred and nothing done with it. The only reason they want land is political, the proof is all over the country that next to none of the "beneficiaries" have any interest in farming the land. They just want to take it away from white people, nothing more. Very constructive bunch. Land is purely seen as a useful ideological tool, the future of the country is irrelevant to these people.

      Eduard - 2012-02-26 23:17

      Cracker - The land issue is being driven to keep the ANC together. There is no cohesion without a common enemy. Hitler used the Jews in that manner. Without these dividing issues/common enemy why would anyone support a corrupt regime? They do not deliver while taxing the populace they despise -land owners, business leaders and anybody smart enough to question their motives, into submission.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-02-27 12:51

      @Vegi: Using the racist term for white person that originates in America hey?

  • Nkosinathi - 2012-02-26 16:20

    The current pattern of land ownership sets up white farmers as islands of prosperity in a sea of rural poverty. Hence the farm murders. The communities around farms are poverty stricken and the farmer becomes a target just like the people (BLACK & WHITE) in the suburbs all over the country. The rightwing would rather view this class war as racial than the “haves vs. the have-nots”. The willing buyer willing seller model has to be fine-tuned to keep the white farmer and his expertise on the land and at the same time introduce new commercial farmers from the SURROUNDING COMMUNITY onto the land to learn from the white man. HOW? Bring in the meteorologists, environmentalists, farmers, banks, agronomists etc. to scientifically determine the minimum size of land required to be a commercially successful farm according to the different geographic regions rainfall pattern and soil types in the country. Those farmers who hold tracts of land much bigger than this ideal would then avail the excess for sale to resettle new farmers from the surrounding community. I doubt that the first white farmers with cheap/slave labour produced a bumper harvest at first attempt and its therefore a fallacy to claim black people can't farm. Give them a chance, support and resources. I doubt that the farmers who left for Moz etc own land in those countries. The other alternative leads to poverty, anarchy, murder etc. DO WE WANT TO ARRIVE THERE?

      Peter - 2012-02-26 16:39

      At last someone coming with an effort at concrete solutions to a problem. Only problem I have is why has all the land already been transferred not being farmed. The state should rather only purchase land for aspiring black farmers, not just any old sod just because his ancestors used to live on the land. The state has wasted a catastrophic amount of money trying to deal with land reform ideologically instead of trying to honestly develop a black commercial farming sector. I agree, black people can farm - but only black people who WANT to farm. Not many white people can farm, only those with a real will to farm can farm. I fear the ANC will continut to stall agricultural reform, as it is a lovely political tool they can use when the going gets tough. Lets stick to Agricultural reform, not Land reform - the latter has to date achieved nothing.

      Vegi - 2012-02-26 16:42

      In fact land that has laid fallow for years normally produce optimum results at third or fourth attempt. I agree the claim that black farmers cannot farm based on the results of the first year are a fallacy. The longer the farmer works with a particular land, the more he becomes learned in the land's peculiarities and becomes adept at applying the most appropriate remedial interventions. At some stage he will be able to eliminate all the mistakes that normally militate against a profitable harvest. No amount of theoretical training in any institution can be a substitute for the term "know your land."

      Peter - 2012-02-26 16:50

      Vegi, in most cases NOTHING is been done on the land, so how can anything be learned. The "fallow" land produced year after year before the "beneficiaries" took over. You cannot learn a thing by sitting on your bottom doing nothing ... or am I missing something here?

      Vegi - 2012-02-26 17:06

      Peter Actually you are missing the point of my argument. I am actually talking about a person who farmed and produced insignificant results. Those who are given land and do not farm should actually be removed from the land. In some areas the government has introduced something called caretakership on state land. The land is not tranferred to the emerging farmer but he is allowed to farm on the land for around five years or something like that with the promise that the land will be transferred to him if he shows an aptitude for farming. I agree that only people eager to farm should be given land to farm together with necessary technical support as well as monitoring.

      Cracker - 2012-02-26 17:09

      Where in the world are conditions so forgiving that you are allowed to experiment with land until you get it right? If others were successful on that same land previously why can't new farmers not be? Setting them up for failure? One would have thought that person really eager to farm and concerned about his/her commercial interests in a farm would make at least know how to farm. What clap trap from Vegi. It again underscores the hypocrisy behind the the land reform frenzy being created. We cannot afford experiments with our agricultural land. If I take my car in for repairs I will not allow a mechanic to get used to my car first at my expense. Must the people of this country take such a disastrous route with food security? A person who wishes to farm must be a farmer at heart. No some city dweller with no agricultural inkling. Which again brings one to the conclusion that the land issue is being used by the inner circle of certain persons who simple are not and never will be farmers. The experimenters given all the excuses in the world why they should not be successful from the outset. So they can take out of the land what they can and sell the land at huge profits - probably back to the original farmers. Only logical conclusion.

      Nkosinathi - 2012-02-26 17:26

      The gist of the comments on this article is the reason why the repossed land is lying fallow. Too many South Africans, black, white and all other hues have a RACIAL CHIP on their shoulders! They cannot see beyond race this and race that. We are now debating whether Mulder is a racist instead of addressing the issue he raised whether the language was appropriate or not. Newsflash, if SA fails and descends into a cess pool of racist hatred and anarchy WE ALL LOSE! Due to apartheid the white population is better educated, resourced and experienced, it is to everyone's mutual benefit if we all came together and address poverty and inequality in society. Failure to do this will see SA go down the road of most former colonies- economic collapse, political/armed conflict etc. The white people need to stop sitting on the fence watching the black gvt. fail just so they can say " we told them so". If this economy and country fail, what do you think will happen to your savings, pensions, property values etc. The black gvt. needs to create an environment where whites don't feel hunted and can participate meaningfully in the national discourse.

      Steve - 2012-02-26 18:06

      o keep the white farmer and his expertise on the land and at the same time introduce new commercial farmers from the SURROUNDING COMMUNITY onto the land to learn from the white man...............oh so now the white man is good enough to teach you

      Steve - 2012-02-26 18:21

      the simplistic winner takes all will live forever it still goes on around the world today wake up, you didnt win any war the country was pressured by the western world to hand it over to the blacks for their own financial gain, why do the west not pressure Australia to give the land back to the Aborigine? Are you a supporter of the GIVE THE ABORIGINE HIS LAND BACK lobby group, no i doubt it you dont care except for yourself. Personally id love to see all the farms given back to the blacks, id love to see the results when people are starving like in Zimbabwe, Where are you all going to run to, or would that be swim?

      Nkosinathi - 2012-02-26 18:47

      Steve, you can continue drawing the line in the sand, carry on with "them and us" attitude but is it the answer? Has it made SA better? Has it kept the farmers safe? Has it made you feel any safer? Are ypou aware that due to the poverty amongst the black population, the ANC can call for a constitutional referrendum and by sheer numbers win and go on to change your beloved constitution and then just take the land Mugabe style? What will the West and UN do then? The majority will have voted for changes, constitutional court or no constitutional court. Is that the solution you want to the land question? Remember, Zuma is already tasting the waters when it comes to the ConCourt.

      Emilie Iyambo - 2012-02-26 20:09

      Nkosinathi, I like your way of thinking. Its true, before we know it, these farm murders will be even more brutal and create international concern. We saw how the xenophobic attacks started, it could have been prevented but we turned a blind eye and called blacks barbaric, uneducated and lazy until it ended in tragedy. I feel this land ownership issue is headed the same way. Blacks are getting angrier and less patient by the day. Whites hold their finances down and dnt turn an eye to that poor black family that lives just down the road from their humongous farm estate- with electricity, clean water and food deliveries. I am not saying killing or stealing is the way to go about it, but maybe we should re-acces this notion and give portions of land to black folks to sustain a living and not give land to blacks so they build up shacks or 'figure- out how to farm which ends up in wasted agricultural land. Maybe its time white folks share their knowledge of successful farming techniques. Maybe it is not about skin color anymore. Maybe in the end we will all be f***ed as a nation. Is that when we decide to hold hands and not see color? Ild say it will be a bit too late...

      Scebberish - 2012-02-27 05:43

      I have the answer to the land issue, but no one is listening! Make the farm workers shareholders in the farm, and the "owner" the CEO for starters. Make the farms small businesses with every Farmworker houshold leader owning a share of the business. Form a management committee responsible for security, discipline, general HR matters and training. Once the farmworkers are participating in profit sharing they will become far more responsible and enthusiastic, and they themselves will quickly evict any worker not pulling his weight and causing losses to the Farm.

  • Tony - 2012-02-26 16:26

    The majority of the Khoisan descendants regard themselves as Black, African or Bruin. It is unfortunate that the ANC fails to recognize this important link and Mulder's subtle attempt to exploit this oversight by the ANC is nothing less than disingenuous. Khoisans are Black and African but more importantly they are part of the Bruin ethnic group and have similar features to those of the Xhosas and many other African groups. Please Dr Mulder you have already contributed to the division of the African nation and most heart-breaking you have destroyed the soul of the oldest African group by classifying the as Coloured so please don’t add to our misery.

      Koos - 2012-02-26 16:34

      Aaaaa so the Khoisans is black. Just read anarticle where blacks are employes over "Bruin" in the cape due to AA policies. Guess not all the new masters understand this.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-27 10:25

      @Tony, so are Khoisan black or "bruin"?? You comments are full of contradictions..

  • Robert E Meise Esq - 2012-02-26 16:44

    how on earth can he be racist .... he owns At least on colour television set

      Koos - 2012-02-27 01:22

      Maybe his TV is black & white?

  • mmoledis - 2012-02-26 16:45

    Whites came into existence in South Africa much after 1652, so South Africa from Cape to Mesina is owned by blacks and there is no question about that, if he is still in the past South Africa of 1945 to 1993 he is then not fit to be in the office he is in. If he can not accept other colours and think his own colour was superior then he has got a problem. According to me it is a favour for him to be in such a high profile government post he should resign and let capable people to take that post and work for the entire nation as a South African and not white or black minister. GONE ARE THE PAST DAYS, HANDS OF TIME CAN NOT TURN BACK!

      Cracker - 2012-02-26 17:27

      @ mmoledis Two points. History is against your assumptions. You have no right to ownership of any country on this planet just because your forefathers happened to have been present on that land some time in the past. Whites came by boat. Blacks mostly by foot. From different directions. Then there were those of other backgrounds who do not qualify as black or white - in skin colour terms of course. Some of local origin and some of Eastern origin. That is how it is and how it will remain. Unless you can convince the world to change international law to reflect that ALL peoples return to their particular lands of origin. IF the origins can of course be determined.

      Steve - 2012-02-26 18:12

      Technically we should never have to justify the fact that the whites won the country by war. Why dont the Americans give America back to the Red Indian, The New Zealanders the land back to the Maori, wait they want to lay claim to it but they took it by war from the Samoans. Why not give Australia back to the Aborigine? If Hitler won the war there would be no England, Ireland, France of the likes. Imagine going to Adolf 100 years down the line and telling him to give the land he won back to its people, he would laugh at them.God created the world, people fought over it, thats life. " He who wins the war, owns the country "-Steve Foord

      Scebberish - 2012-02-27 05:46

      Is Africa not called the "cradle of life" ! and are Africans not extremely proud of this honour ! Therefore EVERYONE is entitled to land in Africa!!!

  • Steve - 2012-02-26 16:56

    Technically we should never have to justify the fact that the whites won the country by war. Why dont the Americans give America back to the Red Indian, The New Zealanders the land back to the Maori, wait they want to lay claim to it but they took it by war from the Samoans. Why not give Australia back to the Aborigine? If Hitler won the war there would be no England, Ireland, France of the likes. Imagine going to Adolf 100 years down the line and telling him to give the land he won back to its people, he would laugh at them.God created the world, people fought over it, thats life. " He who wins the war, owns the country "-Steve Foord

      Nkosinathi - 2012-02-26 17:31

      So now that the ANC won the war and are ruling and happen to be black, the blacks own the land. This simplistic winner takes-all was applicable in the dark ages and medieval times. refine your arguement to suit the present day scenario.

      Cracker - 2012-02-26 17:40

      We had a negotiated political settlement in this country. The result is that all the land and this country belong to all the citizens of this country. It is irrelevant how and when you obtained your citizenship. That is how the world operates. The issue here is not about "country" ownership. Nobody is prevented from farming. Just go and obtain your land from the titleholder according to the normal, legal requirements and start farming. If you fail, economics will put another (hopefully) more successful farmer at the helm of things when you transfer your farm land and activities to someone else. AT the center of current polemic are the ideological drive for abolishing of private ownership of land and the opportunists who are trying to take land with as little effort and outlay to them as possible. They know - both camps - that it is not about empowering the average South African. Now we hear how whites stole the land. What fabricated nonsense! Let's get that land audit so we can know what exactly is taking place.

      Liz - 2012-02-26 18:00

      @Cracker - can you just share your understanding of this piece of legislation (summarised from Wikipedia) "The Natives Land Act of 1913 [1] was the first major piece of segregation legislation passed by the Union Parliament, and remained a cornerstone of Apartheid until the 1990s when it was replaced by the current policy of land restitution. The act decreed that only certain areas of the country could be owned by natives. These areas totalled only 7% of the entire land mass of the Union.[2]" To me the argument about who was here first is futile - but this piece of legislation was devastating and dispossessed African people of the right to ownership of most of the land.

      Cracker - 2012-02-26 18:33

      @ Liz The same question was asked of Pieter Mulder this morning on the Justice Factor program. As he pointed out, that Act is not the issue of dabate and argument and was not the subject of his speech in Parliament. The issue that is really being used against whites is that they have no right even to be in this country because they stole the land. That Act refers to discrimination much later than the arrival of either white, black, whoever. It is true that that Act was a piece of immoral legislation. Later legislation followed and white and black were moved about like pawns at the pleasure of certain politicians. Land was re-distributed and much was allocated (anew) to accord with the separate development policies of the time. However, the situation in the world and in this country has changed remarkably with the rapid population increase. We cannot afford to simply try to restore agricultural land for historical and sentimental reasons. We also need to find out what the current land holding situation is. Perhaps the race element has already been satisfied or is close to satisfaction. That is why we need a proper land/activities audit. And we need honesty from the land reform callers. Who do they say must get what and on what conditions? Colour instead of firm commercial reasons for agricultural land occupation will be suicide for this country. You don't experiment. It could take just one big drought to teach us a severe lesson. Maybe that's what we need.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-27 10:27

      @Steve, "Red Indian"?? WTF? YOu use of old terminology makes me think that you have been asleep for 100 years..

  • Kgomotso - 2012-02-26 16:56

    What he refers as history is a tale we learnt about, that every one came after Jan van Reebek which is rubbish and not history. The only problem i have is why is the President still keeping him. When we listen to this man you understands why Zimbabwe took the route they did in dealing with White farmers. Every historian and person and Mulder himself knows he taking rubbish, SA government has taken a sensible way to deal with the matter despite the pain suffered it understand they cant just go and snatch the land from White but that does not mean people at the ground are happy some would have slike the same radical way Zim did, Mulder is calling for it and I hope he is ready

      Samora Machel Thamsanqa - 2012-02-26 17:57

      Well said KG!!

      placebo.effect - 2012-02-27 11:16

      What education do you two have? i'd love to know which biased person told you this history, because it obviously didnt come from a book or has evidence to back it up. If you go the Zim way then that's fine, legally I may defend myself, and most families have been keeping guns since the boere war no matter how hard the government tries to disarm us. Our electric fences are high and our rotweilers are hungry. Be savages, it obviously works hey? Rawanda, serrie leone, liberia, zimbabawe we watch the news, we see what you people do to eachother. Genocide and Autocracy is everwhere where africans are left to their own devices. The proof is there. I would be embaressed to be black.

  • Eduard - 2012-02-26 17:02

    He is 100% right....Let them, who claim the land solely belongs to the black and who ever else prove it....they can't. Fact!!! So for this guy to state the obvious, makes him public enemy????

  • Maggyone - 2012-02-26 17:10

    actually bantu means people.where were South African Boarders before ,white colony in Africa, and again why dont you refer the khoi tribe in thier skin colour too.are the khoi san not africa or are they europeans like you.oh i see,should i say the san African people should kick out other Africans,and all of the sudden europeans are Africans too.my point is that african lands belong to all african people.boarders were introduced by pink/white people in africa. you can say whatever u want to say concerning the land of africa,we still going to fight for rightfully ours.africa is for africans.the san tribe is an african tribe and so do other african tribes

      Cracker - 2012-02-26 18:10

      Question. Why don't you qualify automatically for citizenship of the other countries in Africa? In fact, why will you be thrown out of the countries if you arrive ther without the prior permission? You may even be executed, without even a legal trial in some areas. You see the hypocrisy and lies behind the notion that Africa belongs to ITS originals based on their presence since whenever on the continent. The truth is that it is a myth. Why not advocate for the removal of say the Tunisians or Libyans from Africa? Or for the denial of citizenship to all non-African born persons by ALL countries on the African continent? Why the horrific killing fields on this continent with the victims all so-called Africans? The lies and propaganda by some must stop.

      Nico Van Zijl - 2012-02-26 19:49

      Uhm... Cracker, I don't think he understood a thing you said, based on his intellectual sense of debate...

      Ali - 2012-02-26 20:20

      Mmmm yes and long ago it was one big continent, the only one on earth called Pangaea.. You lay claim to that? Then you must surely claim the whole world then? Where must the rest go? No brainer isn't it.. Just get over it already and stop feeling sorry for yourself and start working and buy all the land you feel you deserve then.

      heinrich.crouse - 2012-02-26 22:04

      You must get so bored in that tiny little brain. After you kick out the whites, asians and middle easteners from Africa, will you turn your attention to the Americas, and give that back to the Sioux and Pawnees? How about Australia - will you try turn back the clock there as well? When I am king, I will remove you from the internet and put you back on a production line where you belong.

      sizwe - 2012-02-27 08:30

      Cracker, if your child was born in China he would be a Chinese citizen, this does not mean he's Asian. That might help clear up your question. Citizen ship and ancestry are not the same thing

      trix.duvenage - 2012-02-27 09:15

      Maggy.... ek stem saam met jou. Dit beteken 'mense' Maar dit kan ook gebruik word in trappe van vergelyking. Byvoorbeeld: Bietjie toe.....meer toe.....bantoe???

      Cracker - 2012-02-27 09:37

      @ s1zwe If you as a Chinese becomes a citizen of South Africa your ancestry is absolutely irrelevant to your living in this country and your rights under the law. Ancestry does not determine citizenship or rights to the exclusion of the rights of other citizens.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-27 10:28

      pink/white poeple? Hahahaha, riiiight... Just admit it, you just want..

  • Masocha Nthane - 2012-02-26 17:57

    A much needed history lesson for the doc Mulder: BANTU IRON AGE SETTLEMENT PATTERNS DATING BACK TO 66 AD WERE FOUND IN TUGELA BAY. IN THE FIRST MELLUNIUM AD THE BANTU EXPENSION REACHED SOUTHERN AFRICA FROM THE NIGER DELTA REACHING PRESENT DAY KWAZULU/NATAL PROVINCE BY 500 AD AND NOT ONLY DID HAVE DOMESTIC LIVESTOCK BUT PRACTICED AGRICULTER FARMING WHEAT MAIZE AND OTHER CROPS. The also displayed skills in working iron some of the ancestors of the nguni preffered to live in the coast rather than inland. They mixed with the khoisan "MIXED" which is evident in the rock paintings and the linguistic proof is found in the click consonants of the nguni and sotho langueges. The 1st man on the cape was portugues explorer Dias who had interacted with blacks at the cape of good hope. Where did doc Mulder study history or who taught him????????

      Morné - 2012-02-26 18:27

      I don't think there is any major difference in what you say, to what Pieter Mulder said. The settlement of Southern Africa by Bantu speaking (term used in the academically accepted context and not meant racially derogatory at all) is documented and academically accepted as having been for 2000 years. The only discrepancy would be your interpretation of the Cape of Good hope, which was more likely the Eastern Cape. The Bantu speaking peoples lifestyle was agrarian and much of the Western part of the country, is not suitable for such endeavors. How many maize farms do you see around Cape Town even now? Just merely mentioning the cultivation of maize, a South American plant introduced by the Portuguese (maybe even prior to Dias's arrival) along the Eastern coast of Southern Africa (probably Mozambique) support Mulder's argument. Growing maize in dryland agriculture requires fertile soil and good summer rainfall, neither of which is abundant around the areas settled by Europeans in the time of van Riebeeck. The concentration of Bantu speaking tribes has been along the eastern part of the country, with more favorable climate and good soils. During periods of good weather and population growth these settlements expanded into adjacent less favorable areas, only to retract periodically when these favorable periods ended. This is clearly seen in the abandoned Archaeological settlement sites, that has been dated, and coincides with these population movements.

      Nico Van Zijl - 2012-02-26 18:28

      Yeah I see you go back a bit far in history, may I go further? All people are descendants of the Koi San (according to historians who study the human gene pool)... So my I lay claim to some land? Apart from the 'Mix' (since we all have a bit of Koi San in us, even many whites are direct descendants from a few generations ago) you proved Mulders statement that blacks did not lay claim to areas in Western Cape, North Western Cape, since Tugela Mouth/River are in northern KwaZulu-Natal... A bit far from the Cape region I must say... Unless I have it wrong, unless Tugela bay can be found in the Cape...

      Masocha Nthane - 2012-02-26 18:37

      Mornè point taken but remember it was not just maize they had live stock. Nico if you check my 2nd post on the comments you will see what point i am trying to make i dont want any land back rather give the land to people who want to work and produce from it for the benefit of all south africans dankie boet

      Morné - 2012-02-26 19:11

      Masocha, forgive me if I'm wrong on this, as I think it goes to the heart of black African tradition. Owning cattle was (and still is, to some extent) seen as a symbol of affluence. As such, beef only augmented the diets, and was not the staple, which was predominately millet's and later maize supplemented by hunting and foraging for wild plants (and possibly smaller domestics animals like goats). I do not believe there could have been any substantial settlements without a ready supply of grains from nearby fields.

      Nico Van Zijl - 2012-02-26 19:29

      Aah ok, I see the second comment...

      Masocha Nthane - 2012-02-26 19:55

      Mornè thats true, like i said land issue is not as sticky as some people (government) want it 2 be the land like the freedom charter proclaims is for those who live and work on it. It is not about who owned what but who will utilise it for the benefit of all people

      Ali - 2012-02-26 20:31

      A much needed history lesson for masocha.. Go back further than 66AD and you will discover that ALL humans originated from Africa 200 000 years ago.. ALL... Get it.. If you want to go into the past, don't stop when it suits you... Go all the way. So Africa belongs to ALL. I've got my piece that I've paid for, you have got all the right in the world to do the same, we've got equal rights. So buy your piece and stop sulking...life goes on, don't let it pass you.

      Scebberish - 2012-02-27 08:00

      what about the people who wer here before them? Lets find some neanderthals and return the land to them. (oh, sorry, we already have)

  • Samora Machel Thamsanqa - 2012-02-26 18:01

    How much more effective would our efforts have been if we had spoken with the one voice of Africa's millions. With all our minerals and waterpower and fertile lands, is it not a cause for shame that we remain poor and content to plead for aid from the very people who have robbed us of our riches in the past?

      Brett Bruce - 2012-02-26 19:05

      You remain poor because you are lazy.

      ThandaMzansi - 2012-02-26 21:33

      The thing is, Samora, minerals are only worth anything if you have the will and the skill to take them out of the ground. Do the words Aurora Pamodzi mean anything to you? Same for farm land, business, and everything else. Personally, I don't believe in the concept of land ownership at all. I believe that you can own the improvements made to land, but because we are all born on earth, we all have an equal claim on the planet.

      heinrich.crouse - 2012-02-26 22:08

      Do you understand the difference between pissing on a goldfield and mining it? You need to go to school and acquire the skills to compete in this world. It WILL NOT wait for you, no matter how much you whine about how unfair the past has been.

      SJ Kleynhans - 2012-02-27 07:42

      The farms that get taken back, they are not financially productive anymore, look at zim, they got taken. Everybody gets his small piece plants a few mielies an veggies to feed himself, how is that contributing to the economy? And anyway, the government owns lots of beutifull fertile land! They will take ours, but won't touch they're own! Your government allready has got enough! Go toitoi an take it! Its what you do best anyway

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-27 10:32

      Actually Samora, South Africa is not fertile, it is the farmer that makes the soild fertile...

  • Masocha Nthane - 2012-02-26 18:02

    Yeah right Doc!!! You are no racist but you are IGNORANT TO THE FACTS OF HISTORY and i dont want no land give it to qualified white and black people.

  • Samora Machel Thamsanqa - 2012-02-26 18:06

    "They will not be treated like special creatures. Why should they be treated as if they are next to God? If anything, they are next to he who commands evil and resides in [the] inferno" The immortal words of my hero President Mugabe

      Cracker - 2012-02-26 18:38

      @ Samora... Did you perhaps take note of the context your hero used the words in? Because he pretty much sounds like speaking about the starving Zimbabweans and the ones who have left their country.

      Brett Bruce - 2012-02-26 19:02

      Hahaha you should be a comedian!

  • Kusleg - 2012-02-26 18:14

    The unfair land distribution is open to every body who cares to see. The Black people of this country in their majority are settled in hilly/mountainous areas or completely barren soils. You will find them in their thousands on very limited acreage. In the towns and cities, its still the same scenario. The blacks are settled windward to where the dust and smoke puffing factories are located and on a minimum of may be 100sqm of land. Meanwhile, the other race is eastern side on at least 1000sqm of land. How God given are these Mulders that they deserve such? They made systems that favored themselves...simple as that. Wealthy is always created over a long period of time and the Mulders are enjoying what they created for themselves over many years enslaving the black people. If the Mulders bought all the land they have from some one, then tough luck because the same land will be bluntly taken away from them by force and they will loose out. It is a Tsunami and its being masterminded by the "ignorant" and will definitely be unstoppable. There is no destruction of the economy to talk about because the same ignorant people do not have an economy to think about and defend. The train is gaining momentum and the brakes are long lost.

      Brett Bruce - 2012-02-26 18:59

      You stupid person don't you know that you can buy land wherever its for sale. Or do you think that you should get it for free because you are black?

      Cracker - 2012-02-26 19:07

      Then we all go under. Permanently. No hope left for anyone. Listen, I don't know of you but many others are able to observe and count. What do they see? MANY blacks in the 1000sqms and lovely luxury cars. So, rather not generalize. Oh yes, many well-off land owners/occupiers of ALL creeds and colours. The issue with land that Pieter Mulers referred to was not the overcrowding in urban areas. The squatting is not taking place on agricultural land. You should really also take note of the situation in our neighboring countries. The squatter camp conditions, the overcrowding. Don't lay it at the feet of race groups. Go to Kenya for example as well. I haven't been there but they say it is BAD. Much worse than here. It's simple. Destroy what we have and even that bit is then gone. Finished. Nobody is going to feed you or give you a job as a result of your taking or invading land of a farmer or local authority. NOBODY. If you do become so drastic, be anyone's guest. Go right ahead. It's your life and you can do with it as you like. You can even cause its relatively quick but still painful disintegration as a result of hunger and thirst and also in the process ensure of course the same horrible fate for MANY others. Who are we to argue?

      Cracker - 2012-02-26 19:09

      Just to add. NOBODY must think that they will be welcome in our neighboring countries as refugees.

      ThandaMzansi - 2012-02-26 21:34

      Been to the Transkei? Miles and miles of green nothingness. Why is it that there are no commercial farms there?

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-27 10:33

      @kusleg, WRONG!! The rural areas are some of the most fertile... *sigh*.. If only people would use the Internet to educate themselves instead of making fools of themselves..

  • Chappies ZA - 2012-02-26 18:46

    The word racist should also be banned like the K word, we all sick and tyred and the word is so overused.

  • ArchAngel - 2012-02-26 19:22

    @putOUTthebrak: well, sonny, I am NO BOER but anytime you feel like f*cking up anybody, this Irishman would be more than willing to let yo have your chance. You are nothing but a COWARD BRANDSICK BRAK!!!

  • Kusleg - 2012-02-26 20:09

    @Craker......I like the way you reason out issues and l always follow your posts. You have mentioned something about Kenya with regards to crowdedness in the townships. I have to Kenya myself very many times and the crowdedness is real. There is a township called Kibera. It is most likely the size of Soweto if not bigger. Those slums are occupied by a certain tribe and that was because of the ex press Moi who marginalized other tribes during his rule . The same issue of equitable distribution of land resource is the reason why Kenyans butchered each in Feb 2008. The reason why there are people in the Diepsloots here is not by choice but by the design that was put in place long back. The blacks whom use see occupying suburbs and driving big German machines do it but at great effort and are fewer than the other race. The waiter who serve us with food in restaurants obviously earn very little and there fore stay in crowded areas..that is where they can afford but their counterparts of the other race whom they work with do not stay in Khayelitsha but we assume they earn the same. These others stay l do not know where and l am still to discover. And again l will say that the land question will be put straight by ignorant people. This group of people have got nothing to loose. They do not have education, jobs and most of them are going hungry as we debate here. The crumbling of the economy and systems is a non event to them because they are in that crumbled situation already.

      Cracker - 2012-02-26 21:17

      @ Kusleg Agree 100%. The opportunities in this country were given up for the sake of ideology and race, keeping the guilty protected and excuses for uselessness. Have to state the truth. And still not the whole truth although close. Do not wish to be banned from this site. The lucky ones will not be around when thirst and famine really hits the unlucky ones. I hope to be one not around. The others? I'm sorry for you.

      Cracker - 2012-02-26 21:19

      I'm sorry for THEM.

      Scebberish - 2012-02-27 06:37

      The difference is you can walk through those crowded townships in Kenya quite safely. I lived there for a long time and I have done it on may occasions, after dark too.

  • NlggaWitattitude - 2012-02-26 20:11

    Some white people on news24...They label Malema RACIST..yet they totally agree with Moerlder..????? Does that make any sense??? Dumb people..You have two Iphones white and black...they both do the exact same thing but in your peanut head one is better than the other

      Cracker - 2012-02-26 22:09

      Just give a proper land audit. Then we all talk again.

      Koos - 2012-02-27 01:14

      But we are not Iphones are we......

  • Lennox Mdlankomo - 2012-02-26 21:19

    In reality whites were regarded as superior to blacks by virtue of their skin colour not because they worked hard to obtain the land,blacks have done the same,through corruption and favours for families and friends the people who most need the land have not been afforded the opportunity to do so.

      heinrich.crouse - 2012-02-26 22:17

      In reality whites are regarded as superior to blacks because they tend to be more curious about the world and more aggressive in taking what they want.

  • heinrich.crouse - 2012-02-26 21:55

    Racism is just fine. It's an idea that many billions of people all over the world have. I would say that most racism is in fact cultural imperialism - the idea that your culture is superior to someone else's. No problem with that either. Some cultures simply are superior to others, although it depends on your definition of success. In Africa western culture has proven its dominance because most Africans aspire to its trappings. Prejudice is however not OK. It is an action and a stupid one to boot. You cannot judge someone to be this or that without evaluating them as a person. Mulder might very well be a racist, but I cannot see how that judgement flows from his statements.

  • kolaiah - 2012-02-27 02:21

    I agree that pieter is no racist. Malema is 'n nobody now, but are enjoying media attention as the biggest racist of all times. It seems as if radicalism an fanatism is the modern key to become a beloved object of free front page publicity. On who's behalf is Malema speaking now?

  • Scebberish - 2012-02-27 05:40

    I have the answer to the land issue, but no one is listening! Make the farm workers shareholders in the farm, and the "owner" the CEO for starters. Make the farms small businesses with every Farmworker houshold leader owning a share of the business. Form a management committee responsible for security, discipline, general HR matters and training. Once the farmworkers are participating in profit sharing they will become far more responsible and enthusiastic, and they themselves will quickly evict any worker not pulling his weight and causing losses to the Farm.

  • Scebberish - 2012-02-27 05:47

    Is Africa not called the "cradle of life" ! and are Africans not extremely proud of this honour ! Therefore EVERYONE is entitled to land in Africa!!!

  • Anthony - 2012-02-27 06:01

    @sceb yes you are, all you have do is buy it? easy, so what,s the problem

      Scebberish - 2012-02-27 06:33

      Anthony, I guess you another that doesnt read and comprehend things to well. You telling me that the white people never bought and paid for the land they own? You nothing but a Troll dude.

  • Attie - 2012-02-27 06:44

    the problem in this country is that people still see colour as a scape goat. as long as the issue black vs white continues our problems in ths country will never end. see a person for what he or she is. we are all human beings. they should get rid of this idiot malema that still in todays world wants to seperate blacks and whites. stop blaming the whites for every thing what has happened in south africa. it is not our fault that we where born white or black. we just to accept that and move on and make this a country we should all be proud of

  • Oso - 2012-02-27 07:06

    We have all been born under racist systems with racist institutions, and by extension we are all racist, consciously or unconsciously. We all make assumptions based on a person's appearance, based on first impressions, based on skin colour. Anybody who says "i am not a racist" is just lying to themselves and to everyone else. Better to say "I struggle against racism" in our own hearts and in our own lands.

      Scebberish - 2012-02-27 08:06

      You are making a Global comment, not just a South Ffrican comment, its the same all around the world. Anyway if one wishes to be a racist, as long as they do not physically harm other races, it is their absolute right and their freedom to choose who they like and who they associate with.

  • Grant - 2012-02-27 07:29

    hehehe, we know Mulder. RSA never had and does not have racists.

  • sizwe - 2012-02-27 08:10

    This guy is a serious joker... Let's make it simple, there were Africans when whites arrived. Khoi/Bantu situation resoled! NOW... The worst thing about this fool's viewpoint is that when colonists arrived Africa was a free-for all. Of course I expect colonist to take the entitlement standpoint, it's what colonists do thats why they would claim that no-one was here. How would they know this if they had never been here before? As a result the claim that no-one can lay claim to South African land is ridiculous and borders racist. This is not North-America and Africans won't let what happened to the American-Indians happen here. This is Africa and as a result Africans will always legitimately have a claim to all land on African soil. There I said it!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-27 11:11

      S1zwe, at no point did Mulder say anything you claiming he said... Maybe you should go back and actually read what was said. typical of some one like you S1zwe, you read a headline or listen to a friend and suddenly you the know it all... when actually...

  • markus.botha - 2012-02-27 08:32

    You show me a man who is not a racist and I'll show you a hypocrite.

  • markus.botha - 2012-02-27 08:35

    Calling a white person a racist, is equal to calling a black man a K@ff|r.

      sizwe - 2012-02-27 08:45

      What kind of logic are you employing Markus? Racist is an adjective, this describes someones feeling about another person. k@ffir on the other hand is simply a derogatory term, where your logic fails is when you fail to understand that being racist is something anyone can do. This unfortunately makes you an idiot...

      Koos - 2012-02-27 10:08

      Not so s1zwe. In fact google "Kohran" and "Racism" and do some reading. You'll love what you find.

  • trix.duvenage - 2012-02-27 09:10

    When time tells us that it is too late in the show to blame things on apartheid any more, another term is needed to keep on blaming people. The term recist is actually the only remaining. So yes.... people will always look for excuses to talk crap. In SA we have a unique problem where history will take a loooooooong time to fade away, and it seems as if the 'people' are not willing to help solve the problem. In my opinion the best way to look at the situation is to simply IGNORE stupidity and carry on with your personal life. I also belief it is bad to stay on top of South African news as the media absolutely 'blow up' simple little matters just to make a noice. It is not what comes your way that matters in life, but rather the way you react to it. Be glad Mandela is safe and sound and enjoy the day. Forget Mal-Emma, Mulder, racism and all those small little foxes that strive to destroy the viniard. Radiate love and serenity. Make your mark in life and let YOU be the one to enlighten your fellow brothers rather than enhancing MORE racism.

  • Paula - 2012-02-27 09:11

    Airhead are just looking for attention...Pieter big up its time to educate the illiterates robbers who so happen to be our freakin government....

  • leonardus.breedt - 2012-02-27 09:19

    Well i want to now from all clever people[not people what think they are clever]When is the first time we know of people in South Africa and where thy stay.Is there any bones what are older then 2000 years been find in South Africa.If there is where and what nation.ALL i read is so far a few hundred years old and that means here was no people here.Any proof please.

      Tsepo Pooe-tic Pooe - 2012-02-27 10:48

      Well I am No Khoi or San But My People The Batswana People Have Been staying in Southern Africa and South Africa For Thousands of Years.. You can Find Evidence of The Batswana Settlements everywhere... Etc. Melville Koppies, kliprivier Nature Reserve, LoneHill and all this sites date back thousands of years... Not just a Few hundred years back when Ships started sailing in..

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-27 11:13

      @Tsepo, maybe but the land wasn't these to begin with... get it? They too chased people off there, so to claim it as yours is a cheek to the original dwellers not so? It is quite amusing to see how land claimants shun away from the issue of the original ownership.. they accuse white people of stealing their land, but OH NO WE DIDN'T STEAL IT FIRST!!!

  • Sanele - 2012-02-27 09:29

    'Bantu people'and 'Brown people'? I dont think there are any Black people who would like to be referred to 'Bantu or 'Brown people'. I think it's quite degrading. We really don't need people like Mulder in government positions.

  • Nyiks11 - 2012-02-27 09:37

    1.Madiba is in hospital 2.Farm murders are on the rise 3.The land reform process hits a snag 4.Boere laaities trained somewhere in Mpumalanga to hate blacks . . . . sounds to me like the night of the long knives is around the corner . Just an observation

      Koos - 2012-02-27 10:10

      Sounds like a long night. Oh well, I just need to take 51 with me then I can die happy.

      Nyiks11 - 2012-02-27 10:42

      You can easily reach 51 TODAY just by poisoning the well on your farm , that will kickstart the process

  • Sanele - 2012-02-27 09:44

    'Bantu people'and 'Brown people'? I dont think there are any Black people who would like to be referred to as 'Bantu or Brown people'!! I think it's quite degrading. Mulder really has a primitive way of thinking and we do not need people like that in government positions!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-27 10:35

      Bantu is not a derogatory term... get over yourself..

  • Izak - 2012-02-27 10:24

    It looks like the man is both right and wrong depending on your world view. There are at least four ways I can think of to look at this. 1) If you assume that a Dutchman is not a German is not a Frenchman, as is the case pretty much everywhere else, then a Xhosa is not a Zulu is not a Khoi/San, and on a HISTORICAL basis they have no more claim on the land than the European who took the land from the same Khoi people. 2) If you say the Khoi was also black (debatable, they are more brown in complexion) and therefore they stake the claim for all Africans (this is racist, you're making the claim solely based on skin colour). 3) If you say that the Khoi people are at least related to the "Bantu" people through some ancient ancestor and based on THAT the land can be claimed for all Africans in general (but that ancient ancestor would likely be more than 10 generations ago to account for the difference in complexion, and Europeans have been here for over 10 generations now), or 4) Africa is for the Africans! It is ours because people with the same skin colour have been somewhere in Africa previously before the Europeans. Be gone! (this is also racist, a determination made solely on skin colour).

      Izak - 2012-02-27 10:40

      Further to that, I think placing the debate around history is stupid. The ANC and black people in general can get much more than 40% out of this if they abandon historical grounds. Why do I say this? Well, if black people make up 80% of the population, then assuming all other things are equal (they are not, but bear with me) they should sit on roughly 80% of the money-making resources. Remember, I said all other things being equal. Moving the debate from a historical base to one where you first determine what the overall balance is (not just land, everything) and how to make things more equal will be a better long term strategy. Think about what I'm saying, if you do this right, black people will get 80% in the long run...

  • Jan - 2012-02-27 11:54

    What is a Bantu?

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-27 14:12

      Bantu is used as a general label for 300-600 ethnic groups in Africa who speak Bantu languages, distributed from Cameroon east across Central Africa and Eastern Africa to Southern Africa. There are about 250 Bantu languages by the criterion of mutual intelligibility,[1] though the distinction between language and dialect is often unclear, and Ethnologue counts 535 languages.[2] The Bantu family is fragmented into hundreds of individual groups, none of them larger than a few million people (the largest being the Zulu with some 10 million). The Bantu language Swahili with its 5-10 million native speakers is of super-regional importance as tens of millions fluently command it as a second language.

  • Mohsin - 2012-02-27 11:55

    Mulder got a point the ANC must smell the coffee and get in touch with reality

  • emokgojoe - 2012-02-27 12:48

    youre no racist...yeah right

      Mohsin - 2012-02-27 16:29

      Y would he be a racist? his just putting things in perspective before this country lands up like rotten Zimbabwe not just any moron can take over land and farm if thats the case u wont have any food so do yourself a favour and think about land reformation very deeply before you think of saying the guy is a racist