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Muslim cop: I can't share toilet

2012-07-11 12:14

Johannesburg - A Muslim police officer in Johannesburg says his religion does not allow him to share a toilet with black colleagues, according to a report on Wednesday.

Superintendent Munaf Ismail, head of the Zonkizizwe police station on the East Rand, told the New Age newspaper that for religious reasons, he used the toilet for people with disabilities.

"I am a Muslim and they need to consider my religion. I have to sit when I urinate and I cannot use a dirty toilet. People are narrow-minded and I am a committed Muslim."

A police officer told the newspaper the station commander and two white colleagues were the only people who had access to the toilet.

The Islamic Council of SA's Amir Hazarvi said no Muslim scripture stated Muslims could not share bathrooms with people from other races, religions or cultures.

"It might be personal or for hygienic reasons in this case, because in the Islam religion men sit when urinating," he told the New Age.

The SA Police Union's Oscar Skommere told the New Age apartheid was over and discrimination on the basis of gender and race was not allowed.

Comments
  • gordon.turner.37 - 2012-07-11 12:23

    There is a completely rational explanation for the thicky twins at SAPU and in the press. Muslim men sit to pee... and my guess is that the cop shop loos have been pee'ed all over by the same guys who can't shoot their service pistol straight. The guy just wants to sit on the clean toilet seat.... not an unreasonable request.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-07-11 12:42

      Agreed - look at the mens loos in any public place, even I shudder sometimes.

      sandra.j.rennie - 2012-07-11 13:44

      Gordon well said, I am not a Muslim, but I refuse to use toilets used by others that are filthy, couldn't care less attitude, and that is the norm as he maintains. I speak from experience. I don't blame the man.

      Mxolisi - 2012-07-11 13:53

      Where I work, there is a chemical at the gents that one can use to clean the toilet sit(it will shine like its new after a few wipes). As head of police, he can surely have such useful and affordable equipment fitted in the toilets. Why did he not just do that? He could have helped all the police at the station.

      althea.meintjies - 2012-07-11 14:02

      Totally agree with you Gordon, I think this article was written in such a way that it seems as if this guy is racist and yet the race is not the issue here but the filthy state the toilets are in. Cut the man some slack!

      jeffrey.jones.357 - 2012-07-11 14:12

      OK Gordon, then he shouldn't flaunt his religion as a reason.

  • patricia.dewet.92 - 2012-07-11 12:23

    Clean the toilet. I do not blame him for not wanting to use it. The station should get a cleaner or the users must stop making a mess.

      trudi.stewart.joynt - 2012-07-11 12:36

      I so agree with you Patricia, some toilets in public places are so filthy where there are no cleaners. I wonder what these people's home toilets look like.

      Odicito - 2012-07-11 14:40

      Ok fair enough as I like a clean toilet too. But just dont hide behind religion - makes his very reasonable argument (which I wholly support because i really really hate dirty toilets) to sound very lame.

  • charles.gregory.7906 - 2012-07-11 12:24

    He should just tell the truth and say the toilet the rest is using is dirty because that's the reason

  • angel.moonsamy - 2012-07-11 12:29

    Me thinks that he is full of Crap ?

  • ismail.mulla.1614 - 2012-07-11 12:37

    he has a right to ask for a clean toilet. this is his basic human right. if his mates stop messing then then there will be no problem to use the lou.

      llewellyn.reesberg.3 - 2012-07-11 13:55

      If he wants a clean one, why doesn't he just clean it?

      Blipsie - 2012-07-11 14:17

      Why should he keep cleaning others mess before he can use the toilet? Surely out of basic respect for his wishes they could have been sweet and wiped the seat if they sprinkled when they tinkled?

  • OSSY24 - 2012-07-11 12:37

    someone should do a nandos on this ok

  • saadiq.adam - 2012-07-11 12:38

    PURITY is emphasized greatly in ISLAM and a Muslim is impure if any impurities (urine etc.) are on the body or clothes. To ensure PURITY, Muslims SIT and relieve themselves, and wash with WATER after. Think he meant the disability toilet has WATER for purification purposes, while other toilets don't have WATER. Otherwise there is nothing wrong for a Muslim to use or share public toilets with others (Black, White or Green), so long as he is precautions of all impurities. Think the Superintendent got it wrong or is misunderstood

      althea.meintjies - 2012-07-11 14:08

      I think he is Misunderstood

      nazeem.majiet.7 - 2012-07-11 14:17

      How do you know Wesley were you there?

  • JohncarlosBiza - 2012-07-11 12:38

    I don't see anything significantly wrong here. He's not preventing others from using a toilet. He's merely excusing himself. If his colleagues don't mind, no need for this to make the news.

      George - 2012-07-11 12:47

      He and other two white colleagues have access to the toilet. Still nothing wrong?

      JohncarlosBiza - 2012-07-11 13:01

      That seems odd and half-baked reporting. I would have liked to read his reason/excuse for allowing a particular race over another to use his sacred toilet seat.

      althea.meintjies - 2012-07-11 14:09

      Maybe just maybe the disability toilet is the only male toilet with a seat, and the others are maybe those silver looking things that the other males use, maybe the other two white cops also sit when urinating and maybe that is why only the 3 of them are using this disability toilet....ever thought of looking at this from a different point of view?

  • zaakiro - 2012-07-11 12:39

    How quickly everyone starts to be stereotypical to Muslims. There is no need to discredit every single Muslim based on what one individual said. It's about time people start accepting each other, an stop assuming the worst based on what the media teaches us or what we learn from experiences elsewhere. Muslim's in South Africa tend to get along with people of all races, religious backgrounds etc. It's all about the individual, the same with people of any religious background or even those who oppose religion. Because there is this image that every muslim is radical and unaccepting of non-muslims, an image created not by Muslims but by people looking to create conflict. As an exercise for one's own self growth try to get to know someone outside your race or ethical, religious or class - I bet we would actually enjoy their company and in most cases learn something useful. The understanding that our (muslims) beliefs teaches are to hate those of other religions is totally incorrect. The bottom lin, let's all try to get along....otherwise people will live miserable lives

      shanaaz.abrahams - 2012-07-11 12:49

      Well said!!

      JohncarlosBiza - 2012-07-11 13:06

      Said Muslims are generally very nice people. They are the last grouping I would expect anyone to negatively stereotype

      Blipsie - 2012-07-11 14:25

      I feel very sorry for you guys. I know many Muslims personally and I know how badly propaganda and stereotyping has affected you unfairly. Salaam alaykuum.

  • aliyah.daniels.77 - 2012-07-11 12:39

    What a load off BULL CRAP, I'm a muslim, i sit when i pee and i share an office with black, white, indian and german ladies and we all use the same toilet. i hate it when people use Islam to 'cover' for everything!!!! no wonder people get the misconception when it comes to Islam, its the Muslims themselves that give people the wrong impression but wants to fight everyone who remotely say something negative about our religion, please my fellow muslims brethen, if you dont know your Deen rather keep quite and seek knowledge!!!!

      danny.archer.589 - 2012-07-11 12:48

      He's not saying Islam prevents him sharing a toilet with blacks. He's saying that it prevents him using a filthy toilet.

      nazeem.majiet.7 - 2012-07-11 12:56

      Aliyah dear Sister,the article is concrete evidence of what was really said,all ladies sit inyour situation I hope?,whereas men if they are not reuired by faith will stand,you should know talking about "Deen"that you will need a compulsory bath or at least wash the place where your own urine has touched any part of your skin before praying,so what about other people's urine?this little information might get you to study your Deen a little further and might change the picture to you now I hope.

      nazeem.majiet.7 - 2012-07-11 12:59

      Aliyah sorry I meant that the article is NOT conCrete evidence?sorry for typing errors could not wait to press the post comment button.lol

      keith.murphy.9638 - 2012-07-11 13:24

      Let the idiot use the ladies toilet

      althea.meintjies - 2012-07-11 14:15

      Aliyah, I'm sure the conditions of the toilets at your work is much better than this at that SAP office....and I'm sure if you were in this man's shoes you would also feel uncomfortable using a filthy toilet and would think of some other way....maybe this disability toilet is the only toilet where there's a seating toilet and the rest are probably those silver urinals, and maybe even the condition of those silver urinals are filthy and because (As you suppose to know) his religion prohibits him from unhygiene he has to use a different toilet.

      jeffrey.jones.357 - 2012-07-11 14:40

      Deen who?

  • skyzer.zn - 2012-07-11 12:41

    what the hell is media reporting about ,who cares if some guy doesnt use a toilet cause its dirty,jeez.y dont you journalists do a story about some news instead of this rubbish,all media does in this country is aggrivate the scars of apartheid and it is so easy to get black people upset.

      fanie.essgee - 2012-07-11 14:23

      Thank God, someone with common sense.......

  • cliff.slabbert - 2012-07-11 12:43

    Why don't they keep the toilets clean in the first place? YUK!

      celtis.africana - 2012-07-11 13:11

      The toilet cleaner was promoted to station commander.

  • Erna - 2012-07-11 12:44

    Has no one at this particular police station thought of keeping the toilet clean? Not rocket science you know. Would bring out the truth - is the man racist or just scared of dirty toilets?

  • harley.quin.334 - 2012-07-11 12:45

    what am i missing here.... why exactly is this news worthy???

  • lungelo.yili - 2012-07-11 12:50

    iyanya (pun intended)

  • tony.delucchi - 2012-07-11 12:55

    ...why don’t you get a catheter, then you can pee whenever you want to...

      mahloborakgoale - 2012-07-11 13:15

      That is the best solution; they do come with small bags, unless it is also classified as unclean in his mind.

  • antin.herinck - 2012-07-11 12:57

    And why don't SAPS put one of their top sleuths on it and determine who of: the black station commander or the two whiteys, mess up the loo? DNA samples would indisputably prove this and, upon a disciplinary hearing, toilet training can then be imposed,

  • betsy.dorris - 2012-07-11 13:00

    Glad to see cops are focussing on whats really important

  • BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-07-11 13:02

    I'll bet that in the bottom of the bowl this is about dirty toilets, not religion.

  • Ierefaan Varind - 2012-07-11 13:06

    hes just looking for attention.im sure they have a cleaner who cleans the toilet during the day

  • Ntuthuko M Simelane - 2012-07-11 13:11

    No matter how much we try not be racist, you hear just one of the different race insulting one of yours, it all comes back and reality sinks in, they will forever hate us.

      harley.quin.334 - 2012-07-11 13:30

      that's what i would like to know as well, who is 'they' ?

      antin.herinck - 2012-07-11 13:45

      "They" = "not us" "not us" also hate: "They" But "us" = entitled to hate "They". "us" = mos "black"

  • linda.nzimamazibuko - 2012-07-11 13:11

    It would b a problem if they restrict people from using the toilet designed for physically disabled, otherwise I see no problem! His mental disabled!!

  • keith.murphy.9638 - 2012-07-11 13:13

    hahahaha then the chief of police should arrange a mobile backpack toilet for him with a running tap fixed to a mobile water tank so he can use in his office to water his chilli peopsak kwaaak kwaaak

      jowza1 - 2012-07-11 13:29

      ignorance is bliss.keith

  • ifundi - 2012-07-11 13:13

    What a load of crap

  • taurique.abdol - 2012-07-11 13:14

    I Really don't see how this article made the news, there are bigger things to worry about. I would also use the Disabled toilet if the others are dirty because we do have to sit and urinate and sometimes the toilets are very messy. Sometimes there isn't any paper or water to clean it up before using as well. We must be clean and pure at all times, Cleanliness is next to Godliness.We have to clean up behind ourselves and we MUST wash our hands when we're done, unlike a lot of guys. peace!

      LanfearM - 2012-07-11 13:30

      Oh ffs! Women all over the world all sit when they use the toilet, and have learned to either "hang in the air" just above the toilet-seat, or carry sanitary wipes, and tissues for after [for in case there isn't toiletpaper]. And anyone who doesn't wash their hands after using the loo is really a walking germbomb and inconsiderate and selfish to his/her fellow humans. It was the Romans who first coined the phrase "cleanliness is next to godliness". Btw, exactly WHY must men sit and urinate? Hygiene I can understand and a lot of prescripts are about health-care and hygiene, but sitting for a man? Don't see the purpose.

  • thabo.modiba.7 - 2012-07-11 13:15

    Carry abucket wherever you go and ps do go to the veld you will cause veld fires with your hot poop.

  • keith.murphy.9638 - 2012-07-11 13:17

    OK build this guy a muslim police station then with hallal toilets

  • Saleé - 2012-07-11 13:20

    The Muslim chap never mentioned skin colour, it seems. The guy just wants a clean toilet, thank you very much. I could never share a toilet with some men. Being hard pressed a few years ago, I was allowed to go into the men's loo at a mall. Can't people shoot straight?

      gerald.parker.9847 - 2012-07-11 15:12

      Salee The report said that he cannot share a toilet with his BLACK colleagues. I wont shaer a toilet with anybody, I go by myself

  • cassandra.miles - 2012-07-11 13:21

    For Pete's sake, it's a police station. These men and women of all races defend us every single day. How can you discriminate based on colour when your colleagues are trained to take a bullet for you if need be?? Women use toilets all the time. By his standards, we should all get a private toilets because of how dirty it is. He could put his gloves on and clean them himself! I agree with some comments here, he does seem to be suggesting that black people are dirty. Dude, get a life. Pick up a scrubbing brush and start scrubbing if it bothers you. Apartheid is over. The fact that the white people mentioned above don't use those toilets should also be questioned.

  • gieljam.gomtor - 2012-07-11 13:21

    If he has not been using throw away nappy's , where has he done he's business since becoming a cop. Hopefully the toilets are kept and used cleanly as a there is a definitive deterioration of all things lately .

  • keith.murphy.9638 - 2012-07-11 13:22

    If he has to sit and pis as he says let him use the ladies toilet !!!!!

  • kanyi.mundau - 2012-07-11 13:24

    Fu*k his ass. How come he is able to use the same toilet with the other race,in this case the whites.He is saying the blacks are dirty. He is a pure racist!!!!!!!!!!

      Stlouis Heidtmann - 2012-07-11 13:38

      you want to do what to his ass

      harley.quin.334 - 2012-07-11 13:42

      he wishes to insert his spear

      ebrahim.floris.7 - 2012-07-11 13:58

      When in this article does it stipulate that the officer said that native african people(im not being racist,am i?) are dirty?

  • phillipm.seopa - 2012-07-11 13:25

    If he feels like he's not comfortable in our beloved democratic country then he must leave for muslim countries.

      ebrahim.floris.7 - 2012-07-11 13:59

      Why is it more your country than his,or mine for that matter?

  • manu.dibango.96 - 2012-07-11 13:25

    I swear the media in this country is out to cause mischief. The media in this country are a shameless lot. Just look at the title, it says, "Muslim cop: I can't share toilet". Really? Did the officer say that he didn't want to share the same toilet as fellow officers? Where? I am not a muslim and I am black and I don't see anything racist in the man's actions. He just wants to be able to use a clean toilet. Is it racist to want a clean toilet? Fair is fair. The real issue here should be why the other officers are not provided with clean toilets. That's the big issue! Instead you have unethical journalists trying to create a racist controversy out of nothing, while ignoring the issue of clean toilets. Shameful.

      gladstone.dyonase - 2012-07-11 14:33

      He said he doesn't want to share the toilet with other officers, he'd rather use the one used by the handicaps. Why because he is a MOSLEM.

      gladstone.dyonase - 2012-07-11 14:34

      He said he doesn't want to share the toilet with other officers, he'd rather use the one used by the handicaps. Why because he is a MOSLEM.

  • Onke.Dali - 2012-07-11 13:26

    It's interesting to note the escalation rather than the decline of racist tendencies against black people in this country. I do not know what the reason for this is but I suspect it's the lack of action from the people affected daily by this grotesque behavior. I'm not saying this guy is a racist because I know news24 and their sensationalist reporting but generally if it's not white's being racist it's Indians, now the coloureds in Cape Town have joined in....I'm just waiting for the straw that will break the camels back and it's not going to be pretty! God help us all!

  • Francois R Nel - 2012-07-11 13:27

    Mmmm seems and inmovable object has encountered an unstopable force. Get over yourself

  • danie.smit.587 - 2012-07-11 13:28

    How many males, White and black can honestly say they leave a toilet as clean or even cleaner than what they get it? Is it not time the station commander start to train their fellow police officers some toilet manners, and implement a system where quilty members are cought out and place on toilet and other cleaning duties as punishment. Just imagine a spotless police station , he will have the winning station in SA

  • Raeez - 2012-07-11 13:29

    Ive been standing all my life! ohhh jinnne, ek gaan gestraf word!!lol

  • Martin - 2012-07-11 13:32

    I think this is much ado about nothing. Firstly there is no such thing that Islam does not allow sharing of toilets that is ludicrous. All he needs to do is wipe the seat or stand. We fellow muslims use public toilets daily with no issue.

  • trevor.mashilo - 2012-07-11 13:33

    Ok I think is about time we all involve our Cultures........then wait nd c whats goin to happen

      mxolisi.veco - 2012-07-11 14:12

      I am scared of what will happen.

  • Neven.Subrayal - 2012-07-11 13:33

    I see a lot of people that were defending Zuma's dignity and culture are picking on this guys right to dignity and his culture. Hippocrates much?

      mavovo.mavoster - 2012-07-11 14:09

      and which culture is that, that says you cant share toilets with other races? ignorant much..

      gladstone.dyonase - 2012-07-11 14:20

      I'm not his fan, but what does the president has to do with this guy.

      Neven.Subrayal - 2012-07-11 14:26

      @mavovo.mavoster, probably yours because I did not say that and neither did he.

  • noxolo.magwanishe - 2012-07-11 13:36

    This has nothing to do with religion - he's a cheapskate racist who shud be grateful that he's got a proper toilet or else he will be using a small cubicle in a spice shop.

      ebrahim.floris.7 - 2012-07-11 14:03

      Wait,what!...and you are calling him a racist.LoL,nice one!

  • kanyi.mundau - 2012-07-11 13:37

    Why is it every race hate blacks? What is it that we have done to deserve this kind of punishment everyday? We don't discriminate or practice any kind of segregation against any race. Why?

      zwelakhe.sibanda - 2012-07-11 14:29

      The answer is simple: Because you are BLACK!

  • johnathon.masters - 2012-07-11 13:43

    Simple, give him a small bucket which he must clean up after use. He will have to have a large drum with an air tight top, to store all the buckets, until he can take them home to dispose of down a genuine Muslim toilet. Anything else would be racism of the worst order.

  • alta.grondein - 2012-07-11 13:45

    Everyone has a right to use a clean and hygienic toilet. Some members leave the toilets in a filty and disgusting manner and have no toilet etiquette (not flushing after spilling their guts, throwing cigarette butts on the floor and in the toilet,urinate on the seat and the floor without wiping it clean). The basins are always full of hair as certain members pluck at their hair and just leave the hair in the basin instead of using the dustbin. This is not about race, it is about cleanliness, which we all have a right to. Do not comment unless you have seen the filthy state of the toilets.

      LanfearM - 2012-07-11 14:10

      Since when is a clean toilet a basic human right? I agree that many public toilets or workplace toilets of large organisations, are often filthy. And this is a world-wide occurence. That is why the Muslim men will just have to learn, like all women have learned, to use sanitary wipes for the seat, tissues for after [if no toilet paper] and water and hand-sanitizer afterwards [if no soap]. Simple as that.

  • mborens1 - 2012-07-11 13:45

    maybe he can sit hanne 4 voet on thie toilet that is a solution

  • lucky.mathibela - 2012-07-11 13:47

    lmao.story like this makes news!heh!mara wats dis world gtn too.dis dude has issues.

  • fdalana - 2012-07-11 13:48

    curry.....

      TheMonk Za - 2012-07-11 13:52

      You clown, he did not "invent" curry.

  • Gill McCain - 2012-07-11 13:48

    What a joke. If anyone has ever tried to use public toilets in a Muslim country they would know they do not care about cleanliness at all, they are gross, feel nauseous just remembering.

      TheMonk Za - 2012-07-11 13:51

      Just as racist.

      LanfearM - 2012-07-11 13:55

      @ TheMonkZa - how is Gill McCain's comment "racist"?

      Paco - 2012-07-11 14:19

      i think it was your farting that made u nauseuos

  • TheMonk Za - 2012-07-11 13:49

    How about you clean the toilet before using it. There is no room for fakes like in this country. We have enough already. If you don't want to share the toilet with blacks, then go do your thing in the bush.

      Saleé - 2012-07-11 13:59

      Why should he have to clean it before using it? The person coming before him should clean it AFTER using it. Leave the guy alone.