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Muti made strikers aggressive - miner

2012-08-21 09:24

Johannesburg - Protesting Lonmin mine workers in Marikana, Rustenburg, grew so aggressive after they took muti from a renowned traditional healer that they believed the muti had made them invincible, it was reported on Tuesday.

“After they got the muti people were so aggressive. They just wanted to fight. They felt so invincible,” Lonmin miner Bulelani Malawana told the Daily Dispatch.

“I was offered it for R1 000. I turned it down as I didn’t believe in it,” he said.

Two miners who survived the shooting last week Thursday, said they were made to believe that if they used muti by a traditional healer known as Nzabe in the Eastern Cape, bullets fired by police would not harm them.

Malawana said he refused to take the muti as he did not believe in it.

Another mineworker said their leaders had approached them on Thursday and warned them to leave or they would be killed.

Nothi Zimanga said miners drank brown muti to strengthen them ahead of their confrontation with police.

“They were cut several times on their upper body and a black substance was smeared on the wounds."

He said they were told that when they confronted the police they should not look back and should instead just charge forward.

They were told if they looked back, the muti would not work.

The confrontation left 34 miners dead and 78 injured.
Another 260 were arrested.

The nyanga who reportedly dispensed the muti was popular in Mbizane in the Eastern Cape.

Comments
  • mofstok - 2012-08-21 09:30

    Well, that didn't work out for you as planned now did it? Next time protest peacefully and you will have no need of "invincibility" muti.

      kala.bafazi - 2012-08-21 10:05

      One of the muthi's side effects is death.

      spartanx93 - 2012-08-21 10:14

      They should ask for a refund!

      boltonbarry - 2012-08-21 10:30

      Indeed Kala. I wonder of they read the fine print on the label?

      evan.connock - 2012-08-21 10:36

      @spartanx93. Indeed a refund would be ideal, only Mr Sangoma built this little fail safe into his scheme.... The muti does not work, not unlike failing your first skydive jump, or being a suicide bomber, there are no second chances. Naturally Mr Sangoma will insist that of the 30 odd that danced in the path of gunfire, none had used his product.

      koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2012-08-21 11:33

      Where did all these guys get R 1000 each for this? I thought they where broke?

      andrew.arde - 2012-08-21 12:00

      @koos.vandermerwe.75 - obviously it was the guys that didnt stay in the hostel! Because they got paid R1000.00 a month extra.

      nicholas.graan - 2012-08-21 12:13

      I see once again the News24 censorship board have swept through the comments "Freedom of Speech" SA style.

      kala.bafazi - 2012-08-21 12:14

      At R1 000 a shot there is one happy sangoma with a hefty amount of cash is his pockets. Hell even the GPs don't make that much cash in one day.

      peterdonb - 2012-08-21 12:53

      Now spare a though for the police's Riot Units. The use of 'muti' in demonstrations, etc is not something new. That is something they had to deal with throughout the years of policing and will have to deal with it for years to come. Whether you believe in 'muti' or not, they do, and that is the danger. They truly believe it works and that makes them so pliable in the hands of the wrong leaders that are hell-bent on proving a point or carving a political career. Whether you like it or not, this is AFRICA. With its own diversity and beliefs. To police in such a society requires a skill set that you just cannot copy out of an American Police Training Manual or the United Nations Criminal Right's Manual or even the French Anti-Riot manual (which I believe is the flavour of the month in riot police training - something called French Techniques or such). Whether you want to accept is or not, you ain't seen nothing yet until you've stepped in the shoes of a policeman faced with these scenarios fuelled with liquor, drugs, and 'muti'. So, next time you blame a policeman for not acting exactly like the picture poster for Policing in a Westernised Society, think again. It is not necessarily the reality he or she face daily. Given the same circumstances and reality, and some practical experience in this regard, I will not have hesitated to give the order to shoot at Marikana. There can be now doubt that the police at Marikana were fighting for their survival and had to other choice!

      sam.lloyd.104 - 2012-08-21 12:53

      Well if a shower after sex prevents the President from getting aids why can't muti stop bullets??

      gerhard.kress.3 - 2012-08-21 12:53

      Do you think our government is on muti?

      mihaip007 - 2012-08-21 13:04

      you know what I love about these beliefs? is that they believe in them! The more they believe in these things, the easieer is to rid ourselves of scum! Only idiots will run in front of bullets and expect to live LOL! Oh and Neo

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-08-21 19:09

      Gerhard, then another side effect must be brain death...

      crackston.jack - 2012-08-21 23:29

      Same cave man mentality also runs through our government....lack of common sense, comprehension or logic.

      Vince.York - 2012-08-22 07:08

      Eastern Cape! Say no more. Rather go and slaughter all your stock, burn your crops and lie down and fornicate until the heavens burst with light. refugee's from sanity!

      maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-08-22 09:10

      This really highlights the need for education in our country. And not just for the youth. That people would willingly charge to their deaths after being drugged by an unscrupulous traditional healer. Violence is never the answer.

      philip.harris.967 - 2012-08-22 14:47

      What was it that made the Police "agressive" then?

      bobbi.jantjies - 2012-08-22 15:41

      no no no silly peoples... next time ask for the muti that makes you smarter...

      renofinch - 2012-08-22 17:59

      Can we now knock off a further R12,000 p/m for stupidity?

      farmfreund - 2012-08-22 18:13

      Yes thats Good muti they should sell it in tuckshops

      farmfreund - 2012-08-22 18:21

      I think that Muti doctor has a couple of qeustions from the miners to answer i am sure he is long gone

      boeretroos.redakteur - 2012-08-22 22:08

      Ja man - I bought some muthi from old phineas the other day to kill the garden moles you know, my garden boy stole it, now I hear he is rampaging like crazy with a blunt assegaai somewhere at a place called marico..or marikana or something like that. If you seez him - his name is Julius and he has a bald head, kind of fat and is really stupid - please tells him his lawnmower is waiting for him.

      richy.rex.77 - 2012-08-23 08:34

      mofstok- I have a better solution seen that it does not work let them gather again and match to this Nyanga.Maybe nothing will happend to them

      rscoetzee - 2012-08-23 10:51

      Clearly the muti had passed its sell by date, else it definitely would have worked. No doubts about it. None. Im telling you! Believe me. Because I say so.

  • dewalds3 - 2012-08-21 09:32

    A definite case for the Consumer Council...

      ianon.ym - 2012-08-21 09:33

      iLike LOL

      michael.vanrheenen.9 - 2012-08-21 10:27

      @ JohanCduToit - Whats with you and what is your problem with religion... You nag on and on about religion! Just leave the religious people alone if you don't agree with their beliefs!!!

      derek.smith.12177276 - 2012-08-21 10:28

      the muti man was definately an agent....

      JohanCduToit - 2012-08-21 10:34

      Michael, religion/superstition causes great harm. People get hurt, people die. And I care about that. Don't you?

      benjamin.doyle.351 - 2012-08-21 10:41

      Ok du Toit, you said it, now go away. Thank you.

      denny.cray - 2012-08-21 10:43

      You cannot protect people from their own stupidity without curing the root cause. Some education would be good.

      Havokreeka - 2012-08-21 11:15

      Mine worker logic: Demands more pay Spends R1000 on make believe medicine...

      steve.blignaut - 2012-08-21 12:35

      +1

      JohanCduToit - 2012-08-21 12:45

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

      jeremy002 - 2012-08-21 13:00

      In the light of the fact that our government officially recognises or wants to officially recognise sangomas as sources of alternative medicine, paid for by medical aids, is it not reasonable that this sangoma or traditional healer that the now dead miners consulted could be sued for malpractice? The families of the deceased should look into this. I cannot see from the videos that the guys in front looked back, only forward, to their deaths. The guys that ran away at the back seemed to survive. Sue the man.

      michael.vanrheenen.9 - 2012-08-21 13:08

      LOL @ raymon.mcnelly

      JohanCduToit - 2012-08-21 13:31

      Jeremy, a sangoma that says muti can stop bullets, vs a religious leader that says prayer can heal illness or provide life after death - what is the difference? The only difference I see is that the sangoma was stupid enough to promise something that can be tested. If he was clever he would have said something like: "take this muti and you will be less likely to die, and if you do, you will live forever in heaven". These sangomas still have a lot to learn from other religions.

      johandebeer - 2012-08-21 14:00

      Du Toit, are you trying to convert people to atheism? Sure, the muti thing and sangomas are stupid, but now you bring true religion into this? You are acting like the swines to which the Bible refers. You are annoying everyone, so please... Don't expect any further reaction from my side to your tirade

      JohanCduToit - 2012-08-21 14:15

      The "true religion". Johan, do you realise that the only reason you think that Christianity is "true" is because you were indoctrinated with it when you were only a small child. And now that you are an adult you still just blindly accept it as fact. Think about it. If you were born to Muslim parents, lived in a Muslim country, and were indoctrinated with Muslin beliefs as a child, would you still have told me today that Christianity is the one "true religion"? The truth is that religion is a lie. A fairy tale. I am sorry.

      jeremy002 - 2012-08-21 16:23

      @JCduToit - I was really only looking at it from the professional healer point of view, half tongue-in-cheek. Eish, lighten up man. You should try to get a chip for your other shoulder as well so that you can have a more balanced point of view.

      JohanCduToit - 2012-08-21 16:41

      Jeremy, there really is no need for personal attacks. I just find it very hypocritical that people almost universally condemn this sangoma and those who took advice from him, but then they happily go to church on Sunday believing the same kind of supernatural nonsense.

      marcusvandermerwe - 2012-08-21 21:25

      @JohanCduToit - Your argument is true, i agree. But please, do you see Christians running infront of an oncoming train to test their fate? The issue is not religion, it's about common sense.

      fredster.mania.5 - 2012-08-22 07:23

      ...and they want to legalise traditional healers...are u nuts?

      kimsaiyanprincess.murison - 2012-08-22 13:41

      - Johan, some of these people are not up for debates and opinions from different sides. Apparently you can talk, but only if you agree with them.

      richy.rex.77 - 2012-08-23 08:36

      Yee let them go and complain about the service not rendered and got their money. Yooo Dewalds3 that is better solution

  • fanie.gerber1972 - 2012-08-21 09:33

    good grief

      press.enter.12 - 2012-08-21 18:01

      Yes exactly - next time they should first insist on a demonstration by the muti seller before parting with their money . . . . .

  • rick.kabose - 2012-08-21 09:34

    No brain , no gain

      mht.xpress.9 - 2012-08-21 09:39

      Education is very important in life

      mark.singh.9889 - 2012-08-21 09:51

      @mht.expresss.9 I dont think even an education could prevent this from happening. Some engineers at my work place sympathise with these hooligans, so these guys would be no different

      devon.riley.52 - 2012-08-21 10:00

      Hahahaha good one

      donavan.boshoff - 2012-08-21 18:45

      no brains no headache

  • Perfume5 - 2012-08-21 09:36

    Arrest the traditional healer!!!!!

      deon.louw.7505 - 2012-08-21 10:26

      He is the only person that made a "killing", If 100 people took it at R1000 per shot he now has R100 000! Not bad for 1 day's work.

      Perfume5 - 2012-08-21 10:36

      He made a "killing" big time. R100 grand for fooling people, and making them believe that bullets will bounce off them, sounds like a scene out of The Terminator!!

      raymon.mcnelly - 2012-08-21 12:23

      Funny... the Sangoma didn't fool anybody... they where idiots already ... haha ..

      dave.gray.549221 - 2012-08-22 08:49

      Was the 'Brown Liquid' Balck Label? Magic potion when consumed in quantity

      kimsaiyanprincess.murison - 2012-08-22 13:43

      - If people are stupid enough to fall for this it is not the healer's fault. Let the guy enjoy his ill-gotten gains :)

  • wilhelm.snyman.1 - 2012-08-21 09:38

    Unity in diversity...?

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-08-21 09:45

      lunacy in thecity

  • sidney.gilroy - 2012-08-21 09:38

    We are the joke of the world.

      marcusvandermerwe - 2012-08-21 21:28

      And a good example of what not to do

  • mht.xpress.9 - 2012-08-21 09:40

    "They were told if they looked back, the muti would not work" maybe they looked back

      boltonbarry - 2012-08-21 10:33

      Maybe? No not maybe. Most definately

      chris.mafunisa - 2012-08-22 09:34

      Who wouldnt look back anywer??? Even the Sangoma knew all of them will look back...

  • carl.fourie.9 - 2012-08-21 09:42

    SA will only be free if these lot let go of their dark practices...good grief what did they think

  • eyesears.handsfeet - 2012-08-21 09:42

    I rest my case!

  • bashin.monyela - 2012-08-21 09:43

    So when grown men, allow themselves to be deceived, who do you hold responsible? Its tragic.

      mantothieve.missingman - 2012-08-21 10:08

      A third force ? Maybe the same one who is out to get malema ?

      pws69 - 2012-08-21 19:16

      Um, er, Verwoerd?

      kimsaiyanprincess.murison - 2012-08-22 13:44

      - hahahhahahhaha exactly, PWS69!!!!!!

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-08-21 09:43

    Next time test it first, using live ammo. If it does not work, take it back and insist on a refund. Next time insist the muti be SABS approved.

      dave.gray.549221 - 2012-08-22 08:52

      Dont you mean SAB lol

  • kevin.pitzer - 2012-08-21 09:43

    Just can’t get my head around this one apart from feel maybe foreign media may now see this situation in a different light !

      PB - 2012-08-21 13:31

      If it gets reported over there. Maybe they think it is a racist rumour started by the evil whities.

  • bmaestro - 2012-08-21 09:44

    muti?would make you invincible..and those miners fell for that?unbelievable

      Johan - 2012-08-21 11:54

      and then the complain about their salary...maybe just maybe they must get a pay cut so that they can not afford things like 'muti'

  • grace.andtruth.77 - 2012-08-21 09:44

    Hahaha.... Fools! Its always someone else's fault!

  • masego.shongwe.7 - 2012-08-21 09:44

    eish our people should start using comon sesnce, this inyanga things dont work , No muthi can block a bullet , now because of this inyanga, his lies and the miners not using their brains and belive the inyanga's lies , 34 souls are lost.

  • paul.malherbe.7 - 2012-08-21 09:48

    guess they took muti in 1838 at Blood River as well?

      themba.ntuli - 2012-08-21 09:58

      That's not funny paul one of my forebears was killed on that war Lol

      hermann.hanekom - 2012-08-21 10:57

      Paul 1838 - those were honourable Zulu warriors my man, not rebel rousing morons working in a mine.

      paul.malherbe.7 - 2012-08-21 11:13

      yep HermannH, I agree the Zulus came in peace.

      hermann.hanekom - 2012-08-21 11:38

      Never mentioned why or why not the Zulus came, why side step the point. Unsure of yourself?

      richard.hipkin - 2012-08-21 13:49

      Wasn't the Blood River as a result of Piet Retief being lured under false pretence and then murdered by the honourable zulus?

      paul.malherbe.7 - 2012-08-21 15:00

      @HermannH, yes you r right, I was unfair, guess I took on the "honourable" part, new argument: negotiations obviously did not work for Retief, in fact negotiations were never and will never be part of their vocabulary

  • irma.white.9 - 2012-08-21 09:48

    Straight from the horse's mouth for all those who said they were running from the teargas, they didn't deserve to be shot, etc. This guy confirms the video footage- the miners stormed the police to fight them. Thus they deserved what they got. I feel so sorry for the children and wives who are now left with to do the cleaning up, these guys should really have thought of their family before they decided to get so violent (and they were violent before the muti as they weapons from day one).

  • attie.viljoen.39 - 2012-08-21 09:49

    I hope the miners will trace down this traditional healer and demand an answer for the failure of his Muti. Maybe they can make him drink some of his own Muti and they can fire a few shots at him so he can show them how it works.

      magomarele - 2012-08-21 10:56

      I recon the Sangoma/inyanga will tell them they didn't follow instructions when using the muti. They always say that when things go wrong or when the illness is not cured. Much like terms and conditions apply.

      mxolisi.veco - 2012-08-21 11:24

      A sangoma will always say muti does not work on them or their families. If it did, they would all be bullet proof multi billionares.

  • rkashiri - 2012-08-21 09:50

    These miners are clearly admitting their stupidity. I guess the sangoma also told them kill and they will not find out and you will walk scot free. I say they sealed their fate

  • ruaan.c.schutte - 2012-08-21 09:51

    i wonder if there is muti for intelligence...SA education problem solved!

      marc.schnehage - 2012-08-21 10:09

      Sorry Ruaan - no pills for stupidity!

      anthonycharles.williams - 2012-08-21 13:30

      its not pills, it,s muti.....hahaha

      Nicolaas - 2012-08-21 13:42

      @Ruaan, this there is! It is called Quick Slim!

  • koolHD - 2012-08-21 09:51

    'After they got the muti people were so aggressive. They just\r\nwanted to fight. They felt so invincible,'. The sangoma should be held accountable. 34 lives were lost.

  • frans.vanderpoll - 2012-08-21 09:52

    What was in that muti? Hyena hair or Rhino horn? Stupid people to still believe in that kind of sh@t at this day and age. These sangomas and inyangas make lots of money out of these foolish people.

  • graeme.speed.35 - 2012-08-21 09:52

    They're not happy with R4000 a month, but can splash out R1000 on muti...

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-08-21 10:11

      A coffin should have been included.

      mantothieve.missingman - 2012-08-21 10:12

      They get government grants to spend on muti

  • Essy1945 - 2012-08-21 09:53

    Rubish it wasn't muti it was Malema - he has probably been part of it all along, inciting violence and spurring them on - he is after all the one who wants to nationalise the mines (and that at the cost of lives and people stupid enough to believe him) think for yourself, 3000+ miners vs. 400 police, who is going to give you the most votes - Malema's not stupid he is playing the political game VERY cleverly! Sorry Zuma you don't have the balls to take this little pr*ck out!

  • josta.shivuri - 2012-08-21 09:54

    A mine field for trolls.

  • George - 2012-08-21 09:55

    Helen Zille should feed her DA parliamentarians with it so they can put some fear into the complacent ANC....

  • hendrikvs - 2012-08-21 09:55

    Eishhhhhh!

  • harry.kruger.94 - 2012-08-21 09:56

    voting rights should be restricted to people who have at least half a brain !!

      christopher.gainsford.9 - 2012-08-21 10:13

      AND LOOK AT WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO THIS COUNTRY!!!

  • zwelithini.gagayi - 2012-08-21 09:56

    What about those who were short while trying to run away from the teargas? Were they also aggressive? When the police fire teagas what did they expect people would? They had to run to the police as they had surrounded them, and most of them were not even armed, but they were short.

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-08-21 10:04

      with rubber bullets, stop trying to defend these fools, they came for a fight & got one, end of story.

      Perfume5 - 2012-08-21 10:09

      Not armed????? They had pangas, knobkerries, rocks whatever they could arm themselves, they were not approaching the cops to play cops and robbers. Their intention was to kill!!! Sorry for those that lost their lives in all of this, again I repeat the traditional healer should be found and arrested. Charging these miners R1000, this so called deceptive healer made a killing in one day out of the miners. As someone commented earlier, find this "healer" and let him/her drink the same concoction and let them stand before a firing squad and see if they will survive. Demanding an increase but willing to pay a deceptive "healer" R1000 the mind boggles.

      marc.schnehage - 2012-08-21 10:12

      Well, if they were "short", then the bullets should have flown over their heads?

      mantothieve.missingman - 2012-08-21 10:14

      Mshini Wam Mshini Wam , The SAPS just listened to the president why cry now ?

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-08-21 10:21

      The healer made a killing, indeed he did.

      derek.smith.12177276 - 2012-08-21 10:32

      well ive seen short people that can run quite fast in my life...im sensing a bit of short people discrimination here...

      Philimsomi - 2012-08-21 10:38

      zwelithini reeeeealy now?!!have you not seen footage of the miners shooting at the police, didn't you see a gun that was retreived by the police, if you going to strike why bring all those arms?have you been reading the news,remember what had just happened few days ago? If you were a policeman what would you have done, aim for the ones with guns in a crowd is that possible?my opinion is miners went to war and unfortunately they lost it. it could have been ''20 policeman were shot,slaughted to death by miners others fighting for their lives in hospitals.and these policemen also have families they responsible for,so please this is sad yes but people need to learn to respect their lives!! Police have my full support on this.

      irma.white.9 - 2012-08-21 12:30

      If that was the case they would have dropped their weapons and run with their hands in the air.

      galmzala - 2012-08-21 12:52

      Zwelithini, who carry a weapon to negotiate for salary increase hello, they killed 10 people before thursday, remember the saying that says if you kill with gun, you will die the same way, maybe I should say it in Zulu (uma ubulala ngenkempa uyofa ngenkempa), those guys were heartless, they spend they are hard earn cash to pay inyanga to get umuthi to be invissible why they didnt ask inyanga to get umuthi to get paid more money, and police ask them to put down weapons since monday and they are union president worn them but they decided otherwise.

      jacqui.c.baumgardt - 2012-08-21 15:37

      caught short, you mean.

  • breinlekkasie.dodelikegif - 2012-08-21 09:56

    Unemployed, locked-up with a family fending for themselves without an income. So how did that work out for you so far? But I guess they didn't think of that. Isn't that the problem, we fail to think? If only, once in your existence try to think. It is something that doesn't come naturally but at least try. It usually improves with repetition.

  • stampalex - 2012-08-21 09:57

    2012 and they still believe in this cr*p... Oh everyone says, but it's their culture. Rubbish. They and the f*&king Vietnamese should get together and form a We're-So-Incredibly-Dumb therapy group where they can drink Rhino Horn soup and Sangoma Bushroot juice, taking turns to check whether their hard-on's are better or if they're actually bulletproof. Last man standing is the wanker.

  • anelle.booysen - 2012-08-21 09:58

    Yeah, and the Chinese believe Rhino horn makes you popular under the ladies...

      christopher.gainsford.9 - 2012-08-21 10:19

      WAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-08-21 10:24

      Or on top?

      derek.smith.12177276 - 2012-08-21 10:34

      I personally prefer on top....

  • willie.wessels.90 - 2012-08-21 09:58

    did he pay income tax on the money recieved for the muti??

  • derek.wright.7370 - 2012-08-21 10:00

    Arrest the traditional healers and charge them with inciting violence and man-slaughter or possibly even murder, if that charge will stick

  • josie.puchertmackenzie - 2012-08-21 10:00

    one can't believe that in the 21st century, people still believe in these ancient fairy tales about invincible muti. So how did that muti work for 38 of the people who are now dead?

  • brenda.verhave - 2012-08-21 10:01

    This sounds like an Asterix comic.....

  • hendrik.v.heerden - 2012-08-21 10:01

    How in this time and age can people still believe that Muti will stop bullets. It is ludicrous to say the least. And to think that the Sangoma who gave them the Muti believes his dribble as well. The Sangoma should be charged for Murder as he made them believe such crap. These people get to vote in a Democratic election?????

  • chris.mostert.92 - 2012-08-21 10:01

    Kyk vorentoe en sien jou gat!

  • mduduzi.nkosi.311 - 2012-08-21 10:02

    Now we know that it doesnt work. Refund pls.

  • freddied - 2012-08-21 10:02

    how can you experiment with your life, you only lives once, lenyanga must be arrested

  • klipkop.degroote - 2012-08-21 10:02

    Probably human body parts in that muti. Guess they never heard of Red Bull.

  • chris.mostert.92 - 2012-08-21 10:04

    This "traditional healer" must be charged with incitement to violence- his actions attributed to the deaths!

  • Sedeshan Naidoo - 2012-08-21 10:04

    we should force the healer to drink the muti and walk head-on into a pride of lions...

  • Singatha - 2012-08-21 10:04

    DAMN!!! Always a disclaimer.... "They were told if they looked back, the muti would not work.".Guess no money back guarantee for the fallen ones,cause from the footage they were looking straight at the cops(Guess it would be difficult to look back and charge forward at the same time).

  • jannie.l.kotze - 2012-08-21 10:05

    So basically that witchdocter made thousands off this... ai weet jy!

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-08-21 10:27

      Maybe it was on credit?

      derek.smith.12177276 - 2012-08-21 10:36

      it was paid upfront...while the killing was taking place the muti man was seen in Clicks pharmacy in Rustenburg buying Immodiums...

  • Anton de Coning - 2012-08-21 10:05

    Gummi Berry Juice is only in the cartoons!!

      antionette.leroux - 2012-08-21 10:20

      HAHAHAHA - soooo funny!!

  • mantothieve.missingman - 2012-08-21 10:06

    How stupid can you be ? Obviously quite a bit !

  • jurgen.eksteen - 2012-08-21 10:06

    Cops 2 - Miners 0

      jurgen.eksteen - 2012-08-21 10:09

      Based on these statements, I guess the police are exonerated for shooting in self defense.

  • Tony - 2012-08-21 10:06

    They all fell off the stupid tree and hit the sangoma on the way down!