New arms deal probe requested

2011-05-01 12:31

Johannesburg - The Constitutional Court will on Thursday hear arguments for an independent probe into the country's multi-billion-rand arms deal, the Sunday Tribune reported.

Arms deal activist Terry Crawford-Browne is asking for a court order instructing President Jacob Zuma to commission an inquiry into South Africa's purchase of warships, fighter jets and other weapons from European arms companies. The deals were concluded in 1999.

Crawford-Browne argues in court papers: "The background factual matrix upon which I rely is replete with evidence and allegations which cry out for proper investigation with a view to bringing those guilty of possible criminal activity to justice... "

In their heads of argument Zuma's lawyers argue the Constitution gives the president discretionary power to decide whether to institute a judicial enquiry. They say that power was properly exercised by former president Kgalema Motlanthe when he decided against a probe.

According to research for a new book by former ANC MP Andrew Feinstein, the true price of the arms deal could be as high as R70 billion, compared to initial estimates of R40 billion.

  • Slapper - 2011-05-01 12:46

    This really has to happen, to lay a few ghosts to bed. The corruption has already been exposed to a great extent by the Europeans, but the ANC has blocked any attempt for us to get to the bottom of it. Make no mistake though, it wont go away, until we know for sure, how much money these Bas****s stole.

      michaelx - 2011-05-01 12:51

      You just have to ask Mo and Shabir-THEY KNOW ALL THE ANSWERS!

  • Marcell - 2011-05-01 12:54

    Don't get your hopes up. Remember that 4 out of the 9 judges thought that McBride is not a murderer.

  • Wollie - 2011-05-01 12:55

    And again we going around the block.

  • MortNews - 2011-05-01 12:58

    How sad and embarrassing that we are ruled by such a corrupt and ignorant man. He must deposed!

  • Achmed - 2011-05-01 13:22

    Hopefully if we keep at it long enough it will end the same as the abolished Scorpions. Maybe now that they are back they can do the job that was taken away from them. The old saying says "slowly, slowly catch the monkey".

  • Colin - 2011-05-01 13:24

    Why did Motlanthe decide against the probe in the first place, obviously to protect Jacob Zuma, Shiak and the rest of them that received huge kick back bribes. I and I imagine that the rest of RSA will welcome such a probe except those other unmentioned receivers that is.

      Marcell - 2011-05-01 13:31

      Thabo gave his ML back, Yengeni kept his.

      croix - 2011-05-01 19:22

      And obviously himself too.

  • gaaatvol - 2011-05-01 13:30

    Isn't there a fund to which one can contribute to help this guy with the court case? It is unfair that one person takes on what should have been tackled by the whole country: to expose corrupt politicians who use state tenders to enrich themselves. All over the country there are people who apply for tenders and don't get it because politically connected people like the Zumas, Malema's and other ANC comrades get the tenders.

      saliem - 2011-05-01 15:54

      Terry Crawford-Browne is a T O S S E R of note. His motives have nothing to do with corruption at all and are in fact intended to promote his stance against arms reduction. He has more than enough cash to fund this and the publicity he will buy far outweighs the costs. Having said that, it's time to get this thing over with. Just one question... if the concourt orders an investigation, who will be appointed by the President to deliberate? Capiche?

      gaaatvol - 2011-05-01 17:10

      Frankly speaking Saliem? I'm not too worried whether he's a tosser or not. Fact is, he's doing something that many of us should be doing. But alas... the money. I hope you get your tender when you apply for one instead of seeing it go to some ANC oke.

      saliem - 2011-05-01 17:52

      What a K A K comment @gaatvol. Crawford-Browne is doing it to Promote HIMSELF bro. I have NO interest in doing business with the current ANC "leadership"

      Woseck - 2011-05-01 21:04

      @saliem. Tosser or no tosser, He is going to pull something out of the hat that will rattle a few bones. By the way what is it that you have against him that makes him so bad?

  • iqanda - 2011-05-01 13:40

    Forget about the arms deal, what in the past is in the past.

      Krolie - 2011-05-01 13:49

      Afraid to hear the truth?

      iqanda - 2011-05-01 13:52

      Whats the truth, do you have information on the arms deal? Why would i be afraid of the truth? Its in the past now, why must we drag it up all the time, we have moved on.

      AcesHigh - 2011-05-01 13:52

      Just like apartheid ... lets forget about that and move on. Whats in the past is in the past.

      Frank - 2011-05-01 13:53

      isn't apartheid in the past too?? the struggle? the revolution?

      kriskros - 2011-05-01 13:58

      Also on the payroll?

      iqanda - 2011-05-01 14:02

      quite right people, lets asll just forget everything an d move on togethor?

      OuWitBooi - 2011-05-01 14:03

      The arms deal is in the past, but it is just one example of the ongoing behaviour of our corrupt leaders. Zuma is still here and continues with the same behaviour. If there was nothing corrupt in the arms deal Zuma should welcome it as a way of clearing his name. Look at how Zuma rushed around, even all the way to Mauritius, just to prevent his side of the Shaik scandal ever going to court. He knows if ANY of this stuff is investigated properly he is on his way to jail - where he may find he is one of some thug's many wives. Wouldn't that be justice?

      Krolie - 2011-05-01 14:18

      @iqanda. That's rich coming from you who continually harp on the apartheid card! No, I do not have insider information. It just stood out like a sore thumb that you would prefer not to hear anything about the arms deal. Why? Is it because you don't want anything negative to come out of the probe, proving how wrong you are in your beliefs? Yeah, that will show you up won't it? No more spouting off against the truth that is spoken by all around you here? Maybe you will then fade away?

      Shai-hulud - 2011-05-01 15:09

      @ iqanda. Spoken like a true criminal. The truth must prevail before we can move on. You must be a passenger on the gravy train.

      Bill - 2011-05-01 15:11

      Really!...I don't think so.....!

      Bill - 2011-05-01 15:13

      It's in the past when it suits you...double standards!

      gaaatvol - 2011-05-01 17:13

      OKAY!!! This sounds great Iqanda. Let's forget about the past and ban Kill the Boer, stop blaming apartheid for the ANCs mistakes, ban affirmative action etc. etc. etc. You are my new superhero Iqanda!

      Ogre - 2011-05-02 01:11

      It is not in the past. The current purchase of transport aircraft seems to be going the same way. The contract R10 Billionwas cancelled because of cost and time overruns. The reply to a question in parliament as to what is happening regarding the R2.8 Billion deposit was that Airbus (a company with a turnover of $600 Billion last year) could not afford to pay it back in one sum. Now I read that Airbus will re-instate the contract, but for a reduced price of R5 Billion as they have already paid commissions on the deal. This poses the questions: Who was paid commission and how in hell could the contract price be reduced by half???

      Dave - 2011-05-09 15:22

      Tell me where you live and what car you drive, i would like to steal everything you have. tomorrow will be in the past, all will be forgiven.... ok with you?

  • Freakeee - 2011-05-01 13:49

    LoL practice what you preach Iqanda

  • Christo - 2011-05-01 14:33

    This is actually so funny. Our government sent a BEE group of submarine recruits to Germany to for training on the new submarines. The Germans sent these guys packing after only two weeks. The reason supplied: “Sorry, but these recruits cannot be trained at all, as they cannot even understand the basics...” Then these same recruits got sent to India, as they have the same program. Well…they lasted a month this time round, before they got sent home. Not even mentioning one of the other BEE recruit booboos. Ag let me mention it then. One of the new subs needs to be towed back to Germany, to be totally rewired and kitted. Some silly recruit got it right to plug a 380 volt power supply, into the subs 120 volt system. Frying all the wiring and systems on board… BZZZ!! POP!! Eish?

      Krolie - 2011-05-01 14:45

      Oi! Not surprised though. Good money down the drain, and about to spend more of our money to fix up their bugger-ups. What a disgrace. We are the laughing stock once again. Double oi!!

  • Hugh - 2011-05-01 15:03

    iqanda - 1 hour ago pity you do not apply the same rules to apartheid history. They did equal damage to the poor.

  • Cyril - 2011-05-01 15:22

    Too many heads will roll here. We'll never ever get to the truth of this!!!

      Achmed - 2011-05-01 15:37

      @Cyril. f we keep on rolling the heads down the lane, we will eventully hit the skittles and clear the lane of corruption and theft from the poor.

  • Mmoledi - 2011-05-01 16:35

    I think courts have entered and ruled with regard to this matter so let this be a water under the bridge, those are things that will waste states money and as such deprive us citizens of services. How much money so far has been spent on that case? a lot so we want a go forward and not backward. Do not spent more of your time in previous things which will waste time and money which we the nation want for service deliveries.

      R.Suppards - 2011-05-01 16:46

      @Mmoledi, Ever heard the words ethics, principles, morals,law abiding, honesty?

      OuWitBooi - 2011-05-01 17:00

      If someone murdered your father 10 years ago, and carried on murdering other people since then, and now he gets found out - would you still say "water under the bridge, don't worry about my father, that was the past - It doesn't matter if he carries on murdering other people."

      Joe - 2011-05-01 18:02

      @Mmoledi, as a taxpayer I am more than happy that some of my money that I paid to SARS be used to get behind the truth. That money will otherwise anyway be wasted on weddings, conferences, hotel accommodation, plane tickets etc.

      croix - 2011-05-01 19:29

      How about "accountability"?

      Ogre - 2011-05-02 01:23

      The Yengeni and Shaik cases were "successfully" prosecuted although the penalties imposed are to be scoffed at. Many more people are involved, not to mention the role that our president played and this was proved in the Shaik court case and stated in the judgement. This was the reason for the shenannigans about the Scorpions and the delays in prosecuting Zuma so that Zuma would become president, thus making him immune from prosecution. As I responded to a previous post, the same might right now be happening with the transport aircraft procurement to the value of R5 Billion. These people involved in blatant corruption have to be exposed as they are prominent in our country and most are in charge of the funds that should be spent on service delivery.

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  • Hardtalk - 2011-05-02 07:46

    Zuma will stop it - he is not ready to go to jail. The corruption goes on and on with even more millions wasted every day. ***iqanda*** if someone murdered all your family and they caught him five years later, would you say let him go the pass is the pass. It is about time the corruption is sorted out, they are still there now wasting and stealing our money.

  • epherb - 2011-06-17 16:57

    There is also the other brother Chippie

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