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No attack against gays, Zulu royals say

2012-01-23 19:10

Durban - The Zulu royal household has criticised what it called a "reckless translation" of King Goodwill Zwelithini's speech on Sunday.

"At no stage did his majesty condemn gay relations or same sex relations," Prince Mbonisi Zulu said.

It was reported on Monday that the king criticised people who engaged in same sex relationships, calling them "rotten".

"Traditionally, there were no people who engaged in same sex relationships. There was nothing like that and if you do it, you must know that you are rotten," he was quoted as saying in The Times.

"I don't care how you feel about it. If you do it, you must know that it is wrong and you are rotten. Same sex is not acceptable."

He was speaking at Nquthu, in northern KwaZulu-Natal, during the 133rd annual commemoration of the January 22, 1879 battle of Isandlwana.

Zulu said the newspaper translated the Zulu monarch's speech incorrectly.

"The main focus of his speech was on the creation of a compassionate society with men protecting the vulnerable members of society, especially the elderly, women, and children."

Zulu said the king had said that in the past men would go for months in battles to fight the enemy without their wives, and that they did not harass each other sexually.

"He said nowadays you even have men who rape other men. The king said this was a clear sign of moral decay and he said he condemned those involved, no matter who they were."

Comments
  • The Real Unskinny - 2012-01-23 19:20

    So rotten means good? Something got lost in translation again.

      Max - 2012-01-23 19:34

      No its got nothing to do with translation, I think it is because of inbreeding.

      Godfrey - 2012-01-23 19:44

      Always the same - the media misquoted him. Useless leech.

      Jou - 2012-01-23 19:53

      Illiterates say the darndest things, don't they.

      Mike - 2012-01-24 08:10

      This continuous "I was misquoted" from the anc is just a ploy to substantiate their position with regards to the POI bill!!

  • Lara - 2012-01-23 19:23

    Whahahahaha! We need a body to dissect the comments of leaders in this country before going to press. Just so we're all on the same page, so to speak.

  • Max - 2012-01-23 19:27

    He said, he didn't mean it, he said it.....it seems like this Mbonisi is even stupider than the king, it must run in the family.

      Xolani Ziqubu - 2012-01-23 19:45

      So from ur statement i gather u have the original Zulu version. Typical.

      ivan.coetzee2 - 2012-01-23 20:10

      @Xolani, so by your comment, we can all deduce thateven JZ got it wrong and chastised the king unjustly??? Duh get a job at the palace or in the ANC, you deserve each other!

  • Anthony - 2012-01-23 19:29

    royal bullsh%t

  • wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-23 19:34

    Ah yes, typical. You make a statement and when you get called on it, you say you didn't mean what you said or it's the translators fault. Can these political people NEVER take responsibility for what they say? If you are going to make a statement, be sure of it and have the balls to stick with it, otherwise don't say it at all. The same thing happened with that Water-priest dude who also had discriminatory things to say about gays, and when he got called on it, he said his statement was taken out of context. Bladdy cowards.

  • Saksak Motsepe - 2012-01-23 19:36

    Why not include the actual Zulu quote so that we can translate for ourselves? Truth is that SA media people don't know how to translate. They always translate to what they think the person is saying and not what the person is actually saying. SABC and eNEWS are the biggest cullprits, I always listen to their translations and get angry because what they translate into English is a summary(which often loses context) and NOT what the person is saying in the background.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-01-23 19:48

      All the media is bad enough in their first language, I am surprised they make any sense at all of their translations. I am working with 2 qualified translators right now and they are fighting with each other about words :-)

      Mannie777 - 2012-01-23 19:58

      I disagree - So what you are saying is that the press gets it wrong each time? Also: most press members are black (correct me if im wrong) meaning that now you say they are translating it wrong from their OWN language to English?! How is that possible??

      Saksak Motsepe - 2012-01-23 20:12

      @Mannie777 they don't translate, they only summarize in English which throws off context. Tune into SABC 1 right now and see the shoddy subtitles of Generations. Those subtitles don't represent what is being said therefore it's bad translation. The only good subtitles are the ones on ETV's Rythme City and Scandal where the subtitles represent exactly what the character is saying and not a out-of-context English summary.

      Liz - 2012-01-23 20:27

      @Mannie - in case you did not know Mannie and there are about 12 African indigenous languages in South Africa. (You are excused though as gross ignorance is something of a norm in this forum) Black journalists may not automatically be first language isiZulu speakers. Also even township people with a working knowledge of isiZulu might struggle to follow a speech in deep rural KwaZulu-Natal. Also Saksak is right about the mangling of statements in translation on newscasts and media reports - but I guess making it dramatic and at times offensive helps the media to stay in business.

      John - 2012-01-23 21:19

      Or just maybe in good political style they open their mouths without thinking..... Unfortunately even when they speak in English, and its NOT translated we hear these lame excuses.

  • Sylvia - 2012-01-23 19:37

    Yet another case of one of the leaders being misquoted. Why can't they just say what they mean?

  • Moss - 2012-01-23 19:40

    If the head is a moron, what do you expect from the followers?

      Moss - 2012-01-23 20:10

      No wonder women are attacked at the taxi ranks, this embisiles get messages from this kind of so called brave leaders

  • goyougoodthing - 2012-01-23 19:40

    Translate this: "I think that the time of Kings is over and all Royal Households are a waste of taxpayers money. I also think that men who take more than one wife are at best sexist and living in the past" Sorry, what I meant to say is "kings are great and they should have lots of wives to take care of their Kingly desires"...

      ivan.coetzee2 - 2012-01-23 20:13

      Yep and get a decent job where they dont leech off the country. I mean for hell sakes, all ethnic groups should appoint kings so that at least all "tribes" can have some1 to leech off the country. In which case I will take the job LOL!

  • Burtfred - 2012-01-23 19:55

    Go away you useless piece of tax devourer. Your time is up. You can't have the benefits of a modern democracy and simultaneously claim to be "His f****ng Majesty" You and your "culture" are a cancer on our nation.

  • Mantsho - 2012-01-23 19:57

    This King have a lack of knowledge and of education, things in life have changed long time and they still continue to change, we except things as they are in the name of peace and love, but on top of all we try to live together no matter, This kings still lives in the past today, he must stop drinking too much Mqombothi and do a lots of reading.

      ivan.coetzee2 - 2012-01-23 20:14

      He doesn't have the capacity!

  • Vegi - 2012-01-23 19:57

    Linguistic abilities of South African news agencies leave much to be desired. I would like to know the equivalent Zulu word that he used for "rotten".

  • Sharon - 2012-01-23 19:57

    The brain and the mouth are worlds apart

  • Vegi - 2012-01-23 19:59

    Gay people should be left alone to mind their own business. They must also not interfere with us who believe in heterosexual relationships.

      Riaan - 2012-01-23 21:45

      Whatever vegetable. The only ones doing the interfering, are insecure heteros.

  • ivan.coetzee2 - 2012-01-23 20:08

    Hahaha even JZ got the sme message as everyone else, and he IS a Zulu LOL, you guys are lost in translation!!

  • Vegi - 2012-01-23 20:18

    I have no problem with Zwelithini being a king, but I feel that his subjects should support him like they supported his ancestors. He should not be the responsibility of the South African taxpayer. I think that kings, queens, chiefs, barons, princes, lords, indunas, dukes, shogans, daimios, earls, thanes, emperors, khans, sheiks, tsars, sultans, headmen, shahs, pharoes, maharajas, kaizers and anyone of similar feudal persuasion belongs in the past and holds no attraction for us free people.

  • heinrich.crouse - 2012-01-23 20:34

    Get some balls, king Zulu. Stand by what you think and say. No-one expects you to be libertarian, but you are expected to be a man.

      Garysyd705 - 2012-01-24 05:04

      He has no balls he a cross dresser!

  • Themba Mbuyisa - 2012-01-23 20:37

    If it's not porn in The Sowetan. It's creative writting in The Times. Does Avusa even have journalists on staff?

      The Real Unskinny - 2012-01-23 21:08

      That or we're seeing primates developing literacy in our very own lifetime.

  • John - 2012-01-23 21:13

    So what did he say about gays exactly...?? Amazing how every controversial statement a politician makes is either misunderstood, misquoted, taken out of context, or fabricated by the press. Time they learnt to say what they mean.... back to the wood work class Mr king...

  • schalk.w.visser - 2012-01-23 21:41

    By the way some gays were the bravest soldiers in history, not a queen who has hide behind his QUEENS!

  • Blip - 2012-01-24 02:41

    This pseudo-"king" should be sustained only by his own Zulu subjects and not suck millions from the teat of the general taxpayers who owe him no allegiance. Then he can say to them what he likes. When he draws MY tax money for his ostentatious lifestyle, he answers to me and he can be hauled over the coals by me when he talks rubbish

  • brionyl.french - 2012-01-24 06:03

    maybe the media didnt miss quote maybe he doesnt speak or express himself correctly.... In the end fools shouldnt be allowed to open their mouths in public or be allowed to lead, cos all they doing is leading them to drown in stupiditity

  • SarelJBotha - 2012-01-24 08:16

    This "King" should just be abolished.

  • Mzamo - 2012-01-24 08:30

    Hlangalomhlabathi!!! Bayede! Uqedile ungethole!! We didin't have this in our culture!! I am fully behind you on that one!!!

      Romeo - 2012-01-24 10:21

      That's a perfect response or comment, Mzamo. Please note that the King is not our God, but his statement he made against the Gays and Lesbians is morally and spiritually right. Because, even the Holy Bible condemns such sexual acts ( Refer Romans 1:30-32),(which is always opposite to your Constitution made by fallible and mortal human beings. Those who commit such sexual instincts or acts will not inherit the God's Kingdom but will perish eternally. Another point is that the Zulu king was emphasizing that we cannot be a society just like Gomorah and Sodom which was annihilated with heavenly fires. Let's stop this evil practice and do what is naturally created by God. Period.

  • Thulani - 2012-01-24 09:02

    I am yet to see a male bird sleeping with another male bird; a male dog bonking another male dog; a female snake munching another female snake. Evens animals know its rotten. Gays & Lesbians are a NO NO!!! The King has spoken...

      Marlene - 2012-01-24 09:40

      If the king tells u to jump off a cliff, for a very good cause which is right and necessary (for some reason) , will u do it, as "the King has spoken...." :)

      Mannie777 - 2012-01-24 16:35

      Marlene - i dont think Thulani thought that far yet, you confusing him now with your logic ... lol.

  • nkosiab - 2012-01-24 12:43

    no comment

  • Faizie - 2012-01-24 14:49

    Guys you can contact the King via Prince Simakade Jackson Zulu : cell 0826612000

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