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No permission for toll protest - cops

2012-03-29 12:52

Johannesburg - The Freedom Front Plus did not go through the proper application process for its protest against electronic e-tolling on the N1 on Thursday, Johannesburg metro police said.

"There was no proper request with us at the Johannesburg metro police for this protest or convoy," Superintendent Edna Mamonyane said.

"My events guys engaged with them that there were procedures to follow before you go on an e-toll protest."

'Spontaneous gathering'

She said metro police told the Freedom Front Plus that it had to come to the metro police office and apply to stage a protest.

"They agreed to disperse and start again."

Police declared the protest illegal before it started on Thursday morning.

FF+ spokesperson Anton Alberts said he did not believe the protest convoy was illegal.

"Our position is that this is not an illegal gathering. It's a spontaneous gathering of people who are against the tolling system, and we were just going to drive behind each other on the roads with normal cars around Johannesburg," he said.

A camel, caravaners, motorcyclists and other vehicles had converged in the rain at the Ultra City on the N1 highway for the protest, during rush hour.

The protest was organised by the FF Plus, the National Taxpayers' Union, the SA Caravan Association and various motorbike clubs.

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Comments
  • Taariq - 2012-03-29 13:01

    Amateurs! Everyone knows a protest becomes legal when you break into song and dance and start toy-toying.

      hayden.cajee - 2012-03-29 13:12

      @Taariq, classic china!!

      Klaus - 2012-03-29 13:53

      You have to burn or break something as well...or you will not be take serious!

      Nosiphom - 2012-03-29 14:08

      Exactly - a peaceful protest is by definition illegal in this country,only violent ones are legal. Its got nothing to do with asking for permission!

      freda.coetzee - 2012-03-29 14:24

      Haha thats really funny!!

      Michael - 2012-03-29 14:38

      Lets burn the roads!

      SaintBruce - 2012-03-29 18:32

      Oh Gosh ! So driving along a public road is now illegal - especially if there is a high volume on the road. WOW - What will the Zionists do now to get to Moriah this Easter??? The Government have over stepped the mark! Bully tactics and claiming that our civil right to use a public road is illegal? What's next - a tax on breathing?? Gauteng Cops - Bunch of kowtowing sycophantic wallies!!

  • Ally - 2012-03-29 13:07

    Petty, hair-splitting "did not go through the proper application process". Police are there when there's a peaceful gathering, yet the police are nowhere to be seen when taxis cause mayhem on roads.

  • heinrich.beukes1 - 2012-03-29 13:14

    Double standards here as usual!

  • Matthew - 2012-03-29 13:16

    You pathetic excuse for a Metro Police and what in the hell did you tell those miners when they protested and burnt tyres,destroyed roads,looted,killed etc what did you guys say to that? These guys do a peaceful march and NOW do you decide to speak up and tune Hy suuga man.

      Sharon - 2012-03-29 13:30

      Maybe that was the problem, Matthew - There were no burning tyres or sporadic looting - the police might not know how to cope with a peaceful protest!

      bluzulu - 2012-03-29 13:51

      @ Matthew, The protesters where shot with rubber bullets.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-03-29 14:22

      Stop worrying what they say. They have to. The highways gets affected and they would have done the same, but people sit in cars, behaving themselves and rubber bullets will not be so effective. Teargas will still not remove the vehicles, only the people and than the problem will become bigger. Do as Taariq said above. Start toy-toying, sing and make sure your numbers are sufficient.

  • Msika - 2012-03-29 13:18

    mickey mouse party. They mst come and consult at 54 Sauer Street, Johannesburg, will teach them how to properly organise a protest for free, as you cnt even afford consultation fees.

  • Cpo - 2012-03-29 13:28

    Police should've arrested these guys,illegal protests have no place in our cities,especially busy highways like N1 to JHB,and its so funny coz most of the people who are affected by this e-tolling never bother to join these protests,maybe there is a new manner to which 1 can protest; In front of a laptop/desktop/cellphone etc>>blah>blah>blah>thinking the problem is going to go away>>> Cosatu marches they not part of,FF marches still they not part of,they are busy with suggestions>>>> Hhay people count me out of this one,comes end of April 2012 I will buy e-tag>>

      Msika - 2012-03-29 13:46

      Cpo, do u work for Sanral maybe? Do u realise how this e-tolling will affect the poor and the middle class citizens of this country? If it were nt for this type of protests, u wudnt be leaving in a free democratic RSA. I support the protests 1000%, only dissapointed in the way FF organised it.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-29 13:52

      Agreed,

      Warwick - 2012-03-29 14:15

      cpo..........or chop? you work for scamral.

      Msika - 2012-03-29 15:24

      Cpo, do u work for Sanral maybe? Do u realise how this e-tolling will affect the poor and the middle class citizens of this country? If it were nt for this type of protests, u wudnt be leaving in a free democratic RSA. I support the protests 1000%, only dissapointed in the way FF organised it.

      aiazmir - 2012-03-29 19:11

      Camel? I wonder if a cigarette company sponsored this non-event that drew a lot of publicity. Next time, if they contact me I will release 10,000 grasshoppers into the environment, that will hopefully eat all the toll plaza's. Perhaps ADVOCATE Alberts could be persuaded to stay within the bounds of the law next time. Cheap publicity, cheap event, cheap shot. Typical FF+ (Frankly Foolish sacrifice).

  • Burtfred - 2012-03-29 13:28

    They didn't do the process correctly? As if the ANCYL did a correct application to loot and burn every time they have a protest.

      freda.coetzee - 2012-03-29 14:57

      "When dealing with people, remember you are not dealing with creatures of logic, but creatures of emotion."

  • Bambanani - 2012-03-29 13:30

    thats interesting ff marching,they are not used to this,they didnt even know how to get permission to march,they should have just call cosatu for advice on organizing marches.illegal marchers should be arrested period.

      Hendrik - 2012-03-29 14:00

      Where do you crawl out from? There was no plan to march anywhere. People were just going to use the roads for what they supposed to be for, drive on them, one vehicle behind the other. Which is what you see on all our Gauteng motorways every day, all day.

      Bambanani - 2012-03-29 14:59

      @hjs,thats also is not allowed,you need permission to that.they have learn, next time they will ask for permission like all protesters in this country who they think they are.

  • chiepner - 2012-03-29 13:33

    just like the government did'nt get any permission from the taxpayer to retax us on those toll gates?

  • Tgif - 2012-03-29 13:35

    The Stupid Highway comes to a standstill everyday anyway Edna Moronyama,so why complain today is it because we were White protesters ?

      somikazi.pita - 2012-03-29 15:06

      The difference with the strike you r referring to is that it was legal and all the processes were followed, and the best thing about it is all the different races of GP were part of it.

  • TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-03-29 13:36

    A camel? Bikers? Caravans? I would love to have seen this procession!

  • Willem - 2012-03-29 13:42

    FF, please do it properly next time.. and I DON'T mean jump through all the legal hoops..

  • vmeiring1 - 2012-03-29 13:43

    O yes. Cause it's an organisation standing up for the normal South African's citizens rights.O well, FF, get whatever. Me and all my friends, with their employees and their families will join. F the ANC

  • Trotse - 2012-03-29 13:44

    No surprise from SAPS really

      Hendrik - 2012-03-29 14:01

      JMPD.........

  • Dawood - 2012-03-29 13:47

    protesting is the right of civilians...but whats funny is that when COSATU(a voice that will definitely be heard) calls on the DA and other parties to join the march,then the white minority makes marching an exclusive black action..they always have refused to join the "black" protest...therefore you get the failure protest cos numbers and influence count..and i've for years noticed that white S Africans never join the marches even if they have to gain,they expect their dirty work to be done by blacks..yet they whine and criticize the black nation(some of them racially) on a daily basis.. you cant be cowards and then expect the black nation to stand by the minorities when you de.cide that your interests need to be served..

      jowza1 - 2012-03-29 13:57

      well put dawood.i suppose its easier to bitch and moan then to take some initiative

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-03-29 14:31

      Do a proper behaved march where nothing get damaged with the same aim than mine and not with a one track ideology and I will join you. Next time when you brush over points, like above, without discussing the merits, you should remember that doing it like that, is the behavior of a not so intelligent person, grabbing at straws, to justifying his/her statement.

  • bluzulu - 2012-03-29 13:53

    Consent for the relevant Municipality is required for any protest,

      bluzulu - 2012-03-29 14:16

      If these guys (FF) really wanted to make a statement , I would suggest the old Wagon train with Ox of course. Back to the roots around the old Laager.

  • erick.mamba - 2012-03-29 13:53

    They can delay the protests indefinitely if they want, but the truth of the matter is, WE DONT WANT THE E-TOLLING. This project will be SCRAPPED and the big-lesson for the govt is not to take us for granted.. They held public-consultations only to forge-ahead with the e-tolling when we made it clear we dont want it. Why the public consultations in the first-place

  • Hendrik - 2012-03-29 13:55

    So now motorists need to gain permission first before using the already falling apart "upgraded " roads. What a load of hogwash. "Driving in convoy" is about all that one can achieve on any given day on those congested roads, so why now "need to follow proper application process"?

  • altusvanzyl - 2012-03-29 13:57

    I'm SHOCKED by some of the comments by people. When cosatu strikes against e-tol nobody complains and everybody supports them. But when the FF+ people do we get these racist comments like only black people are allowed to strike. I'm amused really!!

      somikazi.pita - 2012-03-29 14:44

      Some people don't want to understand that COSATU apply for permit to strike! The police have to be told about the planned strike so that some can be deployed to oversee it.

      Kevin - 2012-03-29 20:39

      Our main problem as south african,we still have that bad mind of blank. And white.how can we defend our self on the setuation like this.cosatu they did not want to suport DA for court battle.now FF+ they are separating them self,where is the rainbow nation.Stop this blk and white and fight for our mony.

      Kevin - 2012-03-29 20:40

      Our main problem as south african,we still have that bad mind of blank. And white.how can we defend our self on the setuation like this.cosatu they did not want to suport DA for court battle.now FF+ they are separating them self,where is the rainbow nation.Stop this blk and white and fight for our mony.

  • Nosiphom - 2012-03-29 14:06

    There are protests everyday at Kya Sands. Do those people ever apply for permission? This is double standards. Marion, I think this is how it should be done, we all drive at 40kmh starting from a specific day. Guys no struggle is without sacrifices guys.

  • John - 2012-03-29 14:13

    When the taxi's blockade the roads and freeways do they get permission before hand? Are these "legal protests", or are they, like government officials, exempt from the rules of the road?

  • Scouter - 2012-03-29 14:18

    Forget all these meaningless democratic death-throw protestations. Africa has won and there is absolutely nothing you can now do about it - land redistribution, hunger, tyranny is what the New SA has to look forward to under the ANC. Learn to live with it or make plans to get out while there is still time, for those with a still functioning brain.

      Scouter - 2012-03-29 14:39

      PS - my heart breaks for all the rich wildlife heritage that has a death sentence hanging over its head.

  • donovan.botha - 2012-03-29 14:18

    IFP: The GOVT.’S COVER-UP ON E-TOLLING PROJECT REMINISCENT OF PRE-1994 TACTICS The IFP said today that it was shocked to learn the real reasons behind government's push to ensure the controversial Gauteng e-tolling project succeeds. It is reported today, that the Public Investment Corporation - an investment manager for state institutions - has bought R17 billion in SANRAL bonds. 89% of this investment is made-up of the Government Employees Pension Funds. "Finally it is clear why government wants to save this project at all cost, despite it being unfeasible and despite it receiving so much public resistance. These types of cover-ups were prevalent during the apartheid regime, but never could one have imagined such a huge cover-up in our post-democratic dispensation," said Narend Singh MP, the IFP's spokesperson on Finance and on the e-tolling project. It is now clear that there are huge economic issues at stake. If the tolling project fails, Government will not only have to bail-out SANRAL, but it will also have to bail-out the civil servants' pension funds as well. "It is clear that Government finds itself between a rock and a very hard place," said Singh. He added, "This matrix that we find ourselves in now is totally untenable, especially since the pensions of ordinary citizens are at stake. Government has misled the public. We believe that this might possibly be one of the biggest post-democratic era scandals to date.

      valcooperRSA - 2012-03-29 14:44

      I am absolutely amazed that there has been no PROTEST from Gov Employees about their pension fund being dipped into.....Bloody hell it's a crying shame how low this cANCer has stooped to fund what will probably be their biggest money for jam project.......wake up people.....yes you lot out there that are employed by the government......You going to end up paying your hard earned cash to a system that already used your bux.....to pay back what was originally yours anyway....what a hoot...... If my pension was tampered with I would be screaming bloody murder and go find out where you can lay a charge against them for theft.......wake up

      valcooperRSA - 2012-03-29 15:01

      If anybody should be protesting.........It should be them whose Pension Fund that has funded E-Tolling....that would cause total mayhem......there are plenty Gov Employees out there.............come on you lot fight for what belonged to you which you now have to pay for to get back

      Sharon - 2012-03-29 15:10

      Agree 1000% This is the reason why the government CANNOT back down. They gambled with pension money, and are now hard pressed to recover it.

      IcemanGP - 2012-03-29 19:57

      They are to stupid to go against the very government that stole the pension money. Besides, why worry, ALL the rich white people will put the money back.

  • Kala - 2012-03-29 14:26

    Based on the reasons given for declaring the protest illegal, surely e-tolling must be declared illegal.

  • Compos - 2012-03-29 14:31

    @ Marion: We are already doing the slow moving drive every morning without the assistance of social media... lol

  • Warwick - 2012-03-29 14:34

    There was no permission for those ruggy gantries to go up either, WE NEVER CONSENTED TO THIS. Don't you worry Mr. Police officer; you too will get billed for the roads that your taxes have 'ALREADY' paid for. You are in the same pot as us..............believe it, only the anc cadres & sanral gain, we all get shafted. Guy's, just don't register, don’t tag & it will collapse like a deck of cards, money talks and the anc is corrupt. This system is way too advanced for the anc to run effectively.

      valcooperRSA - 2012-03-29 14:50

      LoL.....Mr.Policeman will be paying back to the Gov what they took from him in the fist place.....how doff are these Gov Employees.....How many people are employed by the government....plenty.....Defence Forces, Police, Teachers, Hospital staff, and the list goes on......all of you ....do you not get the message that your "PENSIONS" funded SANRAL....so now you going to end up paying back what was yours to start with....

      Scouter - 2012-03-29 14:53

      But not that too advanced for them to destroy - hell, they managed it up north, successfully enough. I once used to believe the same misconception - but now I am old and have grey hair.

  • somikazi.pita - 2012-03-29 14:52

    But no one is saying they should not strike but they should apply for permit to strike first...other motorist must be informed about the pending strike and alternative roads they can use and the police deployed where the strike will take place...isn't that the norm of legal strike?!

  • valcooperRSA - 2012-03-29 14:58

    Did the government......ask their Employees for permission to dip into their .....PENSION FUND"........so that they could invest it in SANRAL.....I think not........How legal is that

  • Willem - 2012-03-29 15:10

    You are only going to waste the time of yourself and innocent people who need to get to work. Lets just inform the cable thiefs that the cables used there are of the highest quality of copper, and some contain a certain percentage of gold aswell.

  • valcooperRSA - 2012-03-29 15:31

    Now can anyone tell me if this will work.............How about we all buy shares in SANRAL........that way we darem get to get some money back

  • Khutso Rele Mokgosi - 2012-03-29 15:42

    pathetic! we will never win this battle against e-toll when we still have division amongst us. the ff+ should join forces with cosatu and all other parties and organisations against e-toll system. and in the process cosatu must teach ff+ how to have a legal march and in return the ff+ will teach cosatu how to have a peaceful march.

      Cpo - 2012-03-29 15:49

      Pathetic>>ha ha ha,do u really think COSATU will ever join forces with FF+,gosh when did u wake up with this dream?listen;that will never take place in a million years,I bet my house+car+everything I have this will never take place>>>FYI;we can waste time commenting about e-tolls but the fact is;come end of April 2012 it will be effective,morn about it,cry about it, it will not serve u any good,ask me on 01 May 2012>>>

  • Chuck - 2012-03-29 16:21

    Let's go and burn down the union buildings (In la rochelle)

  • Scouter - 2012-03-29 17:30

    @Marion - no crime whatsoever, just curious. In any event, not for me to judge.

  • IcemanGP - 2012-03-29 20:01

    See how good the white people are. We are told it's illegal and to go home, so we dutifully put our tail between our legs and obey. Unlike some others that would have burnt tyres and jus carried on despite the cops, as they would have been too scared to do anything.

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