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No troops for Western Cape gang areas

2012-08-15 22:39

Johannesburg - President Jacob Zuma will not deploy soldiers to areas affected by gang violence in the Western Cape, the presidency said on Wednesday.

"The president... has opted for more intensive action by the police and long-term interventions by social and economic clusters of government," his spokesperson Mac Maharaj said.

In July, Western Cape Premier Helen Zille asked Zuma to send troops to curtail gang violence. At the time, at least 23 people had been killed in the Western Cape in six weeks.

Seventeen of them were killed in Cape Town's Lavender Hill and Hanover Park areas.

Maharaj said the ministers of police and defence had briefed Zuma on the situation. A team comprising staff from both departments went to the two suburbs to make an assessment.

The briefing from the two ministers indicated that a long term and multi-disciplinary approach was needed.

"The SA Police Service has the necessary capacity to deal with the situation in these areas. The situation does not require the deployment of members of the SA National Defence Force," Maharaj said.

He said there were socio-economic conditions that needed to be addressed.

Police would improve their intelligence-gathering and visibility in the areas, and form partnerships with government departments and non-government bodies.

Maharaj said the government's response would extend to Mannenberg, Elsies River and Nyanga.

"President Zuma has directed ministers in the social and economic sectors to study the situation and look for long-term solutions that promote sustainable development and stable communities."

Comments
  • mishyBG - 2012-08-15 23:27

    BS!!!!!!!!!!!

      mihaip007 - 2012-08-16 01:54

      people loose their lives because of police incompetence, and yet zuma says - he is confident in the police's abilities? PLUS he sends them to study the issue and come up with socio-economic solutions? What solutions? Give the youth jobs so that they do not sit around becoming gang-memberS? hmmm IDIOT

      william.letsong.5 - 2012-08-16 05:03

      And so is the army deployed at Lonmin within hours. How pathetically unfair of Zuma and the ANC. Innocent children are losing their lives, but he opt to protect barbaric brainless morons at a mine affiliated to his Party.

      Active - 2012-08-16 06:29

      When CT was under the anc the army was deployd for gang related incidents.

      gershon.hutchinson - 2012-08-16 07:30

      I think the time has come for the DA to train their own discipline army, that won't strike. With the way the ANCLY is going we might need them sooner than later.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-08-16 09:25

      Of course Zipper would say NO - because as long as teh DA struggles to sort out the gang violence with an inept and under equipped police force the worse off they will look. Why would the ANC want the DA to look good? Politics 101 I guess.

      al.chemist.7106 - 2012-08-16 10:40

      This must be their strategy to make the Western Cape ungovernable

      klippies.coke.7 - 2012-08-16 11:54

      @al.chemist ... my thoughts exactly

  • sachasea - 2012-08-15 23:59

    Provincial police top brass, their metro police counterparts and a handful of “security cleared” officials met with local provincial politicians behind closed doors last night to discuss an anti-gang strategy. "Over the years, gangs have changed with respect to the extent that they now use automatic firearms, run businesses and use technology ordinary people don’t have. Drugs are at the root of the gang problem and will remain so as long as there are drug users." - Irvin Kinnes, a researcher at the Centre for Criminology.

      william.letsong.5 - 2012-08-16 05:14

      There will always be drug users for as long as drugs are available. Government's incompetence or lack of willing power to clam down on dealers and users adds to the problem. Do you think there will be a foreigner on every street corner trying to sell drugs to you or druglords in townships if the problem here was tackled the Chinese way? I don't think so.

      sachasea - 2012-08-16 18:13

      William - while I don't agree with your views with regard to reducing drug use I do agree that Government is and has been turning a blind eye to it's relationship with crime. A new approach is needed if we are to reduce gangsterism on the Cape Flats and indeed elsewhere in South Africa. The fact remains that most of the gangs drug profits come from the sale of cannabis. If our government legalized and regulated cannabis we would be denying these profits to the gangs because it would be removed from their control i.e. the black market. Adults should not be punished for their choice to take drugs as it is a part of human nature. They should have the option of help if they get into trouble with addiction, but enforcing criminal penalties for it is a total waste of time and resources.

  • tommo.too - 2012-08-16 00:24

    They will do nothing. This is DA territory. And the people will suffer

      mihaip007 - 2012-08-16 01:53

      lol - they don't do anything ANYWHERE, anyhwow!

      william.letsong.5 - 2012-08-16 06:28

      LOL true

  • dee.980 - 2012-08-16 01:08

    Did someone tell Zuma he had better turn national neglect into an opportunity to get Coloured people's votes? Well - despite my cynicism, here's hoping those communities will get relief.

  • peter.fraser.92754 - 2012-08-16 02:56

    Lets face facts... The Government cannot even control a collection of violent criminals hanging out on a little hilltop near a Lonmin Mine.How the heck do you expect them to control gangs here in the Western Cape.They just dont have the will.Period.

  • vincent.vinsaint - 2012-08-16 03:23

    Where there's no will, the's no way. They can't even control 35 miners, inspired by brilliant King Moshoeshoe at the hill top of Lomnin mine. Maybe troubles in East Africa need attention more, now that Nkosazana is a chair of AU. Mxm. We will make this province ungovernable...remember those words??? Eish...viva ANC, and not individuals within!

  • strauss.steven - 2012-08-16 04:57

    ek hoor die weermag het nie troepe nie, maar die weermag sal in elk geval net kort termyn oplossing wees. die probleem is baie dieper as bring die weermag in! ek laat my oop vir kritiek hier, maar die probleem het begin in "apartheid" jare. toe moes daar al gekyk geword het om die mense skole, kerke, projekte etc te gee waarmee hulle besig kon bly. onderig kon kry om nie gangsters te wil word nie. nou ja post "apartheid" het ook nie gehelp nie want die mense word meer in die gebiede maar daar is geen ontwikkeling en verbeterings wat sorg dat die kinder minder blootgestel word aan gangs nie. onthou almal wil "belong". ek kan nie dink dat enige mens besluit ek wil gangster word en mense doodmaak net omdat dit vir die persoon lekker gaan wees nie. nee daar is nie iets ander beskikbaar vir meeste van die mense nie, dan "belong" hulle in gangs wat hulle aanvaar.

      strauss.steven - 2012-08-16 05:09

      die enigste manier om die probleem op te los is om regtig betrokke te raak. stig ambagskole, landbou skole, die kaap spesifiek leer die mense hoe om die see beter te benut. kyk vir geleenthede om toerisme in die areas te bevorder. 30 jaar terug toeriste nie in Soweto in gaan nie, vandag wil groot gedeelte van die toeriste reguit Soweto toe. begin wys ons gee om in die areas, wys vir die gangsters daar is beter lewe. skep die geleenthede vir die mense om uit die gangs uit te kom. besef dit gaan nie oornag gebeur nie, dit gaan jare vat, maar begin darem iewers. kan julle dink as daar 'n mighty men geleendheid in die areas gehou word. Mev Zille, as ons regtig regtig wil kan ons verandering bring. Maar dan moet ons wil en wys ons gee om.

      william.letsong.5 - 2012-08-16 05:27

      Wat jy skryf maak sin, it is tot die punt and I couldn't agree with you more, mara can we PLEASE be reasonable Steve and take others who don't understand our first languages into consideration?

      strauss.steven - 2012-08-16 05:59

      will do William

      william.letsong.5 - 2012-08-16 06:23

      GeeZ my broer, I was expecting an opposite reply, you have proved me wrong brother. You made my day ;) it would have been nice if everyone could have read and understood your view.

      jacqui.c.baumgardt - 2012-08-16 08:28

      I agree, Steven, but a short term crisis solution is needed until such time as the Govt can put its so-called plan into place.

      surettas - 2012-08-16 08:43

      baat nie ons wil nou nog apartheid blameer nie ,ons moet aan beweeg en leer om die beste van n slegte saak te maak asb. PLEASE LET'S FORGET ABOUT APARTHEID!

  • william.letsong.5 - 2012-08-16 04:59

    eNews reported that a heavy police presence backed by the army (within hours) has been deployed at the Lonmin mine, death toll 10. The death toll in CPT is almost 25 including 7 kids. Mothers basically begged government to send in the army, and? It felt on deaf ears. Zille's request ignored. So what is this about? Race? Is it because Cosatu/ANC members lives are threatened or is it simply because the majority Cape Townions vote against the ANC? Why are brainless barbaric hooligans lives more important than those of innocent children and members of the community? I'm not saying it was wrong to deploy the army at the mine, they are there to protect us, but I just feel that it is unfair that the innocent are not getting the same protection as these violent morons do and than the ANC still wonders why they can't win back the coloured vote.

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-16 11:33

      william letson.5 Not so long ago his majesty Zuma held a speech. The army was there to safeguard his safety. What a blooming hypocrite.

  • bibi.vanzyl - 2012-08-16 05:19

    Of course he won't - the DA runs the Western Cape.

  • stefan.debeer.5 - 2012-08-16 06:29

    Seriously?! How will \studying the socio-economic\ circumstances prevent anymore deaths? If the SAPS had the resources to deal with it, surely they would've been able to do so by now?! Deploy the troops AND do your studying mr. president...

  • vivian.harris.73 - 2012-08-16 06:44

    Think we should ask the gangs to take their wars to the informal black settlements and take a few innocent lives there and see what Zuma does then....

  • sandile.memela1 - 2012-08-16 07:07

    That's just the problem with this current government. All they do is just throw around fancy words to problems and think it will go away. Just about the laziest bunch of peolple to ever run a government anywhere in the world. God help us!!

  • koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2012-08-16 07:35

    Am I just imagining things? Didn't troops deployed at Lonmin within hours? So tell me Zuma, when can the police handle it and wen can't they?

  • lizwi.makala.3 - 2012-08-16 07:48

    Between SAPS and SANDF there's a difference.SANDF protects the country from wars that might arise,people who are fighting over TIK

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-16 11:35

      Lizwi.makala.3 so people who fight for their rights should be stopped by the army, but gangs shooting innocent bystanders are free to do as they please?.

  • stefan.kruger.1297 - 2012-08-16 08:00

    So Blacks and Whites fight and protest, and the cops stops them... But they need a flippen Army to stop the Coloureds.. hahahaha!! Flip I love them Capie's!!

  • sharon.truebodyvice - 2012-08-16 08:16

    Zuma is also in on making WC ungovernable for the DA because he wants it.......he is an incompetant fool and a joker.......May he be struck down with a bad case of aids

  • liesl.murdoch - 2012-08-16 08:19

    This is not a political issue.. it's a call for help to protect people's lives from criminal gangs. The message you send to the public is that you don't care about our lives ? don't get so used to violent crimes, that you stop being human

  • surettas - 2012-08-16 08:29

    Why don't they let the people who lives in these areas decide whether the army is the solution or not. I live in elsies river and i wish jacob zuma to come stay there for a week and see if he can keep up with these shootings. At the end of the day i promise you he would say army is the only solution!Innocent kids are getting killed,the gangs threaten kids who does not wanna join them.The police is so connected with the gangs you can't trust them. YOU CANT TRUST THE POLICE JACOB ZUMA, PLEASE!

      dee.980 - 2012-08-16 11:59

      The request for army intervention DID originally come from those people affected.

  • surettas - 2012-08-16 08:37

    These people that do research for you and you base your decision on jacob zuma do they live in these areas,they don't have 1st hand experience so they don't have a say!

  • jwdupreez - 2012-08-16 08:50

    It is VERY OBVIOUS why Farthead Zuma wont deploy troops to these areas - he KNOWS it will be like throwing "fat on fire" if he does so. The ANC is behind the unrest stoking and it would be dangerous to deploy the army to quell the "unrest" that they have created themselves. ALSO: The Army is INCAPABLE to act against internal unrest simply because they are not trained to do ANYTHING.All they have to do is sit-around and do NOTHING and get paid to do so. SA has the BIGGEST and MOST UNPRODUCTIVE + CORRUPT Civil Service in the WORLD Everybody knows the ANC uses the civil service to "house" their chronies - iow's get "our friends + family + their friends etc" on the payroll so that they can vote for the us(anc) BUT let the taxpayer pay for the privalage. Soon SA will be down the drain and on par with the rest of africa. Viva anc!!!!

  • dave.kofang - 2012-08-16 08:59

    As i have said before the army is trained for WAR not running after some drug peddlers.The communities can end this crisis because they know who is the gangsters and who is buying the drugs from them but they choose to look away and become passive bystanders.When Khayelitsha residents rid their area off scums, they are called barbaric but u'll never hear of childred caught in crossfire because consequences of such actions are very harsh.

  • dave.kofang - 2012-08-16 09:00

    As i have said before the army is trained for WAR not running after some drug peddlers.The communities can end this crisis because they know who is the gangsters and who is buying the drugs from them but they choose to look away and become passive bystanders.When Khayelitsha residents rid their area off scums, they are called barbaric but u'll never hear of childred caught in crossfire because consequences of such actions are very harsh.

  • kaz.hse.7 - 2012-08-16 09:11

    Everyone seems surprised at this stance? It's a purely political decision not to provide troops to assist in securing these areas. Zuma and his cronies are using this as yet another reason to point finger at the best run province in the country and scream "they are failing the citizens"! It's all about votes....

  • colleen.xakaza - 2012-08-16 09:34

    COPS DEAL WITH CRIMINALS & THE SA-ARMY DEALS WITH WAR....(SA-COPS ARE MORE THAN CAPABLE..HELEN IS BRAIN WASHED!! (IT AINT 1978 WHERE TO DEAL WITH BLACKS & COLORED PPL U NEED SOLDIERS R U KIDDING ME? COP'S R QUALIFIED)

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-16 11:38

      Colleen.xakaza the only brainwashed person here is you. Why are the army interfering with mineworkers fighting for their rights then?.

  • stompie.mcgwapspap - 2012-08-16 09:49

    Eish! I don't think the Western Cape is Part of Zuma's South Africa. I wonder, would he done more if those Gangsta's stayed in Khayelitsha? Damm he is really just Black orientated. Not good.

  • alf.pop - 2012-08-16 10:28

    Of course the gtovernment will not deploy troops. They don't want to get into a situation where they have to arrest the ringleaders of the protest, i.e. leading ANC figures in the Cape. They cannot afford to have their leaders behind bars! No spear anymore, just a bunch of pricks!

  • ana.curcic - 2012-08-16 11:13

    It's a shame that Helen has to ask that idiot. Of course he will say No as he has to protect his pal at the top of police. What a farse are we living in.

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-16 11:30

    Of course not, the more crap that happens in the Cape the sooner they will have the province back, the ANC think in their dreams.

  • chris.novak.9235 - 2012-08-16 11:46

    Zuma is a chop! I hope his plane plummets in a fireball into the anc headquarters one of these days...

  • Jane - 2012-08-16 12:57

    Obviously Zuma wont deploy help to the Western Cape, the ANC has long said they will make the WC ungovernable, and while the gangs have been a decades long problem, it is defenitely within the ANC's interest to make sure there is no end to the problem. Instead they will assess the situation and write meaningless reports which will be read and rejected or read and approved but never implemented. One can not look to the ANC for any solution to any problem, they simply do not have the brain capacity to find a solution to anything, they only know how to cause problems.

  • winston.nolan - 2012-08-16 16:09

    "The SA Police Service has the necessary capacity to deal with the situation in these areas. The situation does not require the deployment of members of the SA National Defence Force," Maharaj said. Really? They do? Then why don't the $%^#$ DEAL WITH IT THEN?

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