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Teen’s bail: State warns of dire consequences

2012-08-23 22:32

Kimberley - The State will seek to prove three murder charges against a 16-year-old boy accused of murdering a Northern Cape family, the Griekwastad Children’s Court heard on Thursday.

This was revealed by prosecutor Hannes (JJ) Cloete during argument in opposition to the teenager's bail application.

Northern Cape farmer Deon Steenkamp, 44, his wife Christelle, 43, and their daughter Marthella, 14, were shot dead on their farm Naauwhoek on 6 April.

Court cases involving children are usually heard in camera, but a Media24 application to attend the proceedings was granted by Magistrate OS Mazwi, from the neighbouring town of Groblershoop.

He also agreed to allow two reporters from each newspaper present to sit in on the case, on condition they adhere to normal Child Court restrictions and in no way identify the boy, or publish information which could identify him.

Cloete told the court the Director of Public Prosecutions intended charging the boy with three counts of premeditated murder.

He said the offences were schedule six crimes, which, according to the Criminal Procedure Act, required an accused to prove exceptional circumstances existed warranting the granting of bail in the interests of justice.

There should be clear evidence to support these exceptional circumstances, Cloete argued.

The boy's lawyer Willem Coetzee called two witnesses in support of the bail application.

The first testified that he and his family were looking after the boy.

The witness said he and the boy had an open relationship, but that he did not know the boy’s feelings about the case.

The boy was doing well at school and was in no position to interfere with the State's case, the witness said.

He said it would be good if the boy could keep his life as close to normal by attending school again.

He had a strong support system with his family and at school.

"It’s important that he continues to finish school," the witness said.

A social worker, with a private practice, testified that he was treating the boy. He said it would be in the boy’s best interest to keep him in a stable environment such as school, and with family support.

The State argued, during cross examination of the first witness, that it would not help anybody to shy away from the truth.

Cloete agreed that the boy would not be able to interfere with State witnesses or evidence, but said the court had an obligation to consider the boy's fellow pupils.

The State submitted that it had a strong case against the boy, but did not give details.

Cloete said there was convincing evidence that the boy murdered the Steenkamp family in cold blood.

He submitted that the investigator in the case would testify that nobody's safety could be guaranteed if the boy was granted bail.

It would not be in the interests of justice for him to get bail, he said.

The application continues.

Comments
  • diana.gill.18 - 2012-08-23 23:02

    If life goes the way it goes its time to get a gun...

      tw2066 - 2012-08-24 01:09

      In South Africa - yes.

      dave.reyneke - 2012-08-24 08:20

      Diana...Think about what you said!! In this instance the family had enough guns.. Two of their own guns were used. How can a gun protect you from your own child?

      diana.gill.18 - 2012-08-24 08:47

      Once you're skillful enough not to let this gun be turned against you - it will protect.

      bradley.kecskes - 2012-08-24 09:28

      Dont listen to these liberals Diana..get a gun, id rather have one than have nothing..."tread lightly and carry a big gun"

      JuditVictor - 2012-08-24 09:49

      The "boy" should be at school? really? A kid who has the gall to kill a mother, father and daughter and he should be at school, mingling with other children? Crikey Moses!

      hendrik.verwoerd.94 - 2012-08-24 09:55

      It is exactly what the parents did and they were shot with the guns.

      mojapelo.tshabangu - 2012-08-24 13:26

      I don't think U can always think of being shot dead, u can't be holding ur gun 24/7, we don't know when or where it would happen. I feel so hopeless!

  • juannepierre - 2012-08-24 04:34

    I remember the days as a young boy were we would mow down entire families with guns then return to school... Oh, no, wait... I was too busy being a scholar, you now, learning. Most people in this country shouldn't be parents, especially the traditional world because your "livestock" you so affectionately raise are murderers.

  • peter.fraser.92754 - 2012-08-24 04:56

    Can anyone remember what the ruling was on the minor involved that was involved in ET's murder ?

      lande.willemse - 2012-08-24 11:31

      He was found guilty of house robbery, three years suspended for five years

  • tribe84 - 2012-08-24 06:21

    Wait, how can you argue to put this animal in school? With children? A man who possibly and probably killed 3 people in cold blood. What is wrong with this picture?

      Tebz001 - 2012-08-24 07:05

      not enough dead bodies

  • Duma Nkabinde - 2012-08-24 06:38

    so let me get something straight here, is this still regarded as a Farm murder/genocide ? and can we say the boy was inspired by J Malema singing ANC's songs?

      dave.reyneke - 2012-08-24 08:32

      Your'e a racist!! Where did anyone on this forum imply that fatboy and his cronies had anything to do with this? This is a white on white crime and if you read the article and posts slowly and fully understand what your'e reading you will enjoy your "Eish" moment

      bradley.kecskes - 2012-08-24 09:30

      no retard we can say the little Sh*t killed a family..a young girl?? do you get that...? no ? come visit me and i will put it in you!! ignoranus!

      boltonbarry - 2012-08-24 09:55

      IF Zuma can blame Verwoerd we can Blame Malema

      bradley.kecskes - 2012-08-24 10:01

      and all the thumbs down in support of the murderer...you are criminals and can stick that thumb where the sun don't shine.

      lande.willemse - 2012-08-24 11:34

      Duma, it was never regarded as a farm murder. It was obvious from the start that this was different. Can your small peanut brain pick up on the difference? There was no torture involved. Simply shooting and killing. Farm murderers mos have to torture old people first remember?

      lande.willemse - 2012-08-24 11:36

      Actually I agree with bolton: blame Malema! If Zuma blames Verwoerd for everything then we can blame Malela for everything

  • deon.dewaal.9 - 2012-08-24 06:39

    Let us have a week of mourning for these people. No one goes to work in remembrance of them. And then we take a month off to mourn all the other people murdered by savages. Will cost the economy a fortune and tax revenue will drop...

  • lelanie.jacobs - 2012-08-24 06:49

    Ag nee wat, ekt geen simpatie met Don nie.. Jy klein seuntjie is n bedorwe brokkie, wie sy ouers en suster koelbloedig dood geskiet het omdat jy nie jou sin kon kry en jaloers was op jou sussie... Jy't presies geweet wat jy doen jou monster, hoop jou windgat houding help jou in d tronk... Keep us posted..

  • roy.wadhams.1 - 2012-08-24 07:04

    He knew exactly what he was there for and so should suffer the full might of the law. These "youngsters" of sixteen years old are not stupid,if one looks at their upbringing,they are fully aware of what they are doing. Make him pay by sending him to jail for life because if he is not incarcerated he will know that he got away with murder and will do it again.

  • wilma.crous - 2012-08-24 07:09

    WTF are you people on about colour???? I don't give a crap what colour he is or what lead him to do what he did. He is guilty ... no mercy should be shown. Rid us of all these criminals!! Nooo he shouldn't have the right to return to school !!!! No excuse for committing murder. Right is right & wrong is wrong.

  • lownabester - 2012-08-24 07:21

    Just a sad case, nobody win here.

  • gillian.sanderson - 2012-08-24 07:25

    'He said it would be good if the boy could keep his life as close to normal by attending school again' - Good grief, he's 15 and accused of killing three people - that is so not normal!

  • leslie.rabie - 2012-08-24 07:26

    What about innocent until proven guilty?

      dave.reyneke - 2012-08-24 08:36

      What about the "glaringly obvious"? An optimist is someone that does not understand the situation....You just proved the saying right again..Well done

      gail.hayesbean - 2012-08-24 15:17

      Perhaps optimist is trying to suggest that since he hasn't been proven guilty of the murders he should be allowed to continue attending school as normal in case money gets him off. There may well be extenuating circumstances here such as low IQ or personality disorder or drugs/alcohol or a very repressive home where he was ill treated/abused. Let him be educated in prison - I certainly would not want an unstable young boy suspected of killing his own family attending school with a child of mine. He belongs in an institution until such time as proven innocent.

  • des.palm - 2012-08-24 07:54

    90% idiotic comments - I don't see all the farm murderers "hanging by their nuts" or whatever else is suggested here. Wake up you bunch of sleepwalkers.

  • ingrid.oberholzer - 2012-08-24 07:58

    From what I have followed from the story he attended Grey College, he is white, lived on a farm (how fantastic is that) had parents and family who cared for him, friends who are still caring for him. WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?????The police whould have investigated this case very well to come to thin conclusion.I'm lost for words.

      nixstix - 2012-08-24 08:20

      agree 100%

  • Lynne.Kermit - 2012-08-24 08:12

    How did this issue get such a strong theme of race to its comments. It has nothing to do with race. We should be talking about the great police work that took place, to catch the suspect and bring him to book. Now justice must take its course.

  • tracy.g.basson - 2012-08-24 08:48

    Why must he finish school? He's going to probably be in jail for the rest of his life anyways. There will be plenty of time for him to finish then. If he returns to school there is probably a very high probability of mob justice. Maybe thats what he deserves.

  • arno.botha.71 - 2012-08-24 08:52

    WHY ARE THEY TRYING TO PROTECT HIM FROM THE FACT THAT HE WILL BE CONVICTED OF MURDER? HIS DEFENSE WANTS TO LESSEN THE IMPACT THIS TRIAL WILL HAVE ON HIS LIFE, BUT HE KILLED PEOPLE SO OF COURSE IT WILL IMPACT HIS LIFE! (sorry for typing in caps, i just realized and i'm not re-typing it)

  • ludlowdj - 2012-08-24 08:59

    No bail, this pussy footing around with criminals cannot be allowed to continue. This "boy" must be tried as an adult.

  • helen.derobillard - 2012-08-24 09:57

    WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE SA WHITES WE DO NOT GO INTO THE BLACK COMUNITY AND KILL THERE PEOPLE,

      lebona.boitumelo - 2012-08-24 10:45

      huh?

      lande.willemse - 2012-08-24 11:38

      Helen??? Huh????? WTF?

      nicolene1 - 2012-08-24 12:00

      hehe I think you are on the wrong article!

  • keaobaka.mokae - 2012-08-24 15:47

    Lynne.Kermit this is a cold blooded intra-family murder initially made to look like a farm murder. Bear in mind that farm murders are the most politicized crime(s) in South Africa, among Afrikaners the most emotive issue. For Afrikaners only because the majority of the victims(in farm murders) happen to be white, farm murders must get special treatment that other crimes with other groups as the majority of victims do not enjoy. The Afrikaans newspapers put a lot of focus on this issue because it maximizes and guarantees sales. This is how those who are exposed only to Afrikaans media end up being as paranoid as they are. So its against this background that this story acquires the racial theme. At least one has called for the boy to be hanged. That's encouraging, had he been African the temperatures in the comments would have broken the ceiling. There would have been a chorus(not just one) calling for the boy to be hanged just because of his race.

  • turdy.mclaw - 2012-08-24 16:18

    He should share a cell with John Mongrel

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