Old SA flag banned from stadium

2010-03-01 13:10

Cape Town - The old South African flag has been banned from Cape Town's 2010 soccer stadium, along with items such as teargas and pointy umbrellas.

The flag is on a list of forbidden items displayed at entrances to the 68 000-seater showpiece, which on Monday hosted a whistlestop visit from a group of invited local and international media.

It is listed just above "banners or flags with content that can reasonably be considered to be sexist, racist, vulgar, discriminatory, inflammatory or offensive".

Also banned are fireams, ammunition, knives, and any sharp or pointed metal object which could be reasonably considered a dangerous weapon.

"Even an umbrella with a long extending metal point could be regarded as such," the notice says.


Cup local organising committee chief Danny Jordaan said he was unaware of the restriction on the old flag, and did not know if it was in force at other 2010 stadia in the country.

Cape Town mayor Dan Plato said what had happened at upcountry sporting events where people displayed the old flag had "caused some embarrassment".

"We don't want that same embarrassment to take place here," he said.

"We want rather to say to people, the old South African flag is not a recognised national flag anymore and we don't want people unnecessarily to embarrass South Africa and to embarrass Cape Town."

"Let us rather be patriotic and act as good patriots of the country.

"If you're a South African, for what reason are you going to bring a flag which is not a national flag anymore? What are your motives for it?"

In some quarters the old flag, with its blue, white and orange stripes, is seen as a symbol of the apartheid regime, and considered highly offensive.

However others point out that it predated apartheid by some 20 years.

It was replaced in 1994 with the current multi-coloured flag.

  • Adriaan - 2010-03-01 13:32

    mandella said that there is nothing wrong with the old flag

  • KB - 2010-03-01 13:32

    'Banned' by who? Under what regulation or law? The previous SA flag is perfectly legal and yes, it flew long before the policy of separate development (or 'apartheid') was implemented by the National Party and it flew after the policy was officially disbanded in Feb. 1990. Only someone coming fresh out of a 'political re-education' camp would call it an 'Apartheid flag', as one cannot deny that it flew BEFORE apartheid, officially right NEXT TO the British Union Jack (when we were still the Union of South Africa) and AFTER apartheid was consigned to the history bin. It also flew over the first fully multi-racial parliament in SA (the Tricameral system). Only people trying to score cheap political points for their own agendas or those of their party would try to argue differently.

  • rbgguy - 2010-03-01 13:32

    About time. It's embarrassing when people fly that thing.

  • Danie - 2010-03-01 13:32

    The vuvuzela is also a big irritation. Will that be allowed? Very damaging to the ears.

  • mikeh - 2010-03-01 13:33

    It is nice to see the DA taking the iniiative.

  • Just an African - 2010-03-01 13:36

    Is this not against the constitution of South Africa?….free speech and all that other stuff….I don’t think that in a democracy you can ban stuff like that….that been said….I do not know of any black persons that want to go to the stadium with old SA flags. The only white people there most probably would be the foreigners and they will bring their own countries flags. What is next? ..The banning of ‘n Orange hat, with a white t-shirt and blue pants??

  • Pieter (Bulle Bo) - 2010-03-01 13:37

    Why do anybody want to display part of history?
    Rather bring a Blue Bulls flag, being Super14 champions it is something to be proud of!!

  • 7x57 Mauser - 2010-03-01 13:38

    Im going to bring my old flag and if you give me any trouble I will sue you for infringing my freedom of association and expression and retire . It is not banned by any law in the country. Who made you king of empire to ban it

  • Rudi - 2010-03-01 13:40

    The old flag cannot be banned by any person or venue. Watch-out for the opening match in Cape Town - it will be there!!

  • Capey - 2010-03-01 13:41

    Both my normal cheap plastic writing pens were confiscated at the gate but friends that went through another gate's pens were left alone.

    I understand that dangerous and offensive objects should be banned; but not common sense like at the airports.

  • Simon du Plooy - 2010-03-01 13:42

    As soon as you ban an activity it becomes a challenge to take part in it. I won't be surprised if more than one 'old' SA flag is banned. Rather just leave it and allow it to starve a natural death.

  • adam botha - 2010-03-01 13:42

    forget the flag!! ban the vuvuzela!!!!

  • werner - 2010-03-01 13:43

    Well, I find the new flag which subconciously (even if poorly) tries to force the ANC colors onto you. I'm proudly South African but do not support the ANC

  • Mossie Mostert - 2010-03-01 13:43

    Its about time! BAN and BURN the damn flag. It makes me sick

  • HDV - 2010-03-01 13:47

    Wasn't really necessary. The people who will do this kind of thing are normally limited to a minority of racist rugby and cricket. They don't even watch soccer.

  • Heinze - 2010-03-01 13:48

    So now you are telling me something that is part of my history is a Embarrassment! lol What is an Embarrassment is our current leadership and government! Whatch me I will take one in just to show people I AM PROUD of my history and what we did for this country LONG before apartheid come along!

  • Wayne - 2010-03-01 13:48

    Notwithstanding the current feeling against it, the old South African flag is a pretty good looking flag, with plenty of history written on it.

  • Intrigue - 2010-03-01 13:49

    The current multi-coloured flag that is comprised of the ANC colours??
    What happened to the freedom of expression!?

  • jared - 2010-03-01 13:52


  • zwerg - 2010-03-01 13:57

    I don't understand, why the government fears that flag so much......
    It is normally not forbidden by law to show it in public - but it is banned by some stupid organisers. Rather think why somebody would show this so called Apartheid-flag - normally these guys do not go to Soccer events at all...

  • Danie Louw - 2010-03-01 13:59

    What about the vuvuzela????

  • O - 2010-03-01 13:59

    Coul n't have said it better myself, Dan... People must tell motives of bringing an old flag instead of a national flag to stadiums.

  • Sam - 2010-03-01 14:00

    Greate news. Seeing the old flag makes me sick to my stomach

  • godfrey - 2010-03-01 14:01

    They can display the old flag at rugby and cricket matches as they normaly do, but not at 2010 SWC.

  • EMP - 2010-03-01 14:02

    Tell South Africans you are not allowed to,what do they do ,they see how many old SA flags they can smuggle into the stadium.

  • T - 2010-03-01 14:02

    Excellent decision.

  • Proudly SA - 2010-03-01 14:06

    I am not white but I believe that everyone should have freedom of expresion in their choice of flag.

  • old boy - 2010-03-01 14:07

    Ok fair enough - I don't think it is appropriate anyway. Anyone that pulls out an old flag really is only saying one thing and the rest of the worlds eyes can be spared that.

  • zareeba - 2010-03-01 14:08

    Oh, for crying in a bucket. COME ON NEWS24. Are you running out of stuff to write about? Nobody gives a toss about the old flag, and the chances of it appearing at a soccer match is zero. Cant you find something more interesting to write about???

  • CptFlagPants - 2010-03-01 14:08

    good. there is no reason to wave that ugly looking thing anyways.

    just for the record. im white. and i think that flag has the design elements of a tractor tyre. Flame Boere ! :P

    glad to see its being enforced

  • Marc - 2010-03-01 14:12

    Are we also going to bann the Tiawanese flag - as Tiawan is no longer recognised by SA. What about the aboriginal flag? Where does the censorship stop? If we want to be a true democracy then we can not ban such things - freedom of speach, freedom of association etc.

  • Sport Billy - 2010-03-01 14:13

    They should lock up anyone caught with it.

  • Guy - 2010-03-01 14:14

    Same reason you sing kill the boer or bring me my machine-gun. Double standards as usual.

  • lightmare - 2010-03-01 14:14

    It is irrelevant what one's motives might be for bringing the old flag. The fact that they are banning the flag from stadium is an infringement to rights of free speech? is it not?
    however this wouldn't come as a suprise anymore

  • ThePlague - 2010-03-01 14:18

    This should have been a no brainer and not even worthy of a spot on the News24 website. The old South African flag belongs in the dustbin. Why anyone in this day and age still clings to that flag is beyond me? I get people trying to show everyone their "don't give a damn" and "proudly afrikaner" attitude but come now guys. Can't you show it via short pants, two tone shirts, naartjies, biltong and rugby? Avoid making fools of yourselves by carrying the old flag?

  • tommo - 2010-03-01 14:19

    freedom of expression?Are we in a police state ?We name roads after muderers and terrorists ,big brother has really lost it.

  • Singleton - 2010-03-01 14:23

    next it will be belts with heavy metal buckles?

  • Patrick - 2010-03-01 14:24

    The old flag is only seen as a symbol of the apartheid regime by some. Granted, more rather than less, but like the article says, it predates apartheid by 20 years. I find the new flag offensive as it is so close to the ANC colours that it may as well be an ANC flag. The ANC was a terrorist organisation and were resposible for the murder of innocent women and children by their cowardly policy of attacking soft targets. If that is not offensive, then I dont know what is.

  • DA supporter - 2010-03-01 14:24

    well done DA once again taking the initiative beating the anc on this.the only thing the little boys at the anc can do is say good one if only we thought of that one first.the DA truely committed to a free and fare equal democratic society.DA my future my vision

  • JSS - 2010-03-01 14:26

    What’s wrong with freedom of speech, peaceful demonstration is not allowed in this country, only burning of schools and infrastructure is considered truly South African protesting.

  • Yay! - 2010-03-01 14:27

    I think that is a great idea! will Loftus also please ban it? I know its part of history but it seriously doesn’t belong in the present anymore! I love the new flag!

  • jorrie keporrie - 2010-03-01 14:27

    Well done!!

  • Kevin - 2010-03-01 14:29

    Well lets hope they ban the VOOVOSILO's as well as that would cause great embarrassment to the country !!!!!

  • anti banned items - 2010-03-01 14:29

    In a safe South Africa and a safe SWC environment -why do we need to ban items? There wont be any trouble or fights or whatever. The old flag is still legal or do they think someone will hurt somebody else with the old flag. Acting this way is also an embarrassment for some of us believing in a safe South Africa

  • Just asking - 2010-03-01 14:30

    Also displayed on this notice board is a sign reflecting any instruments which might be considered loud or noisy and of disturbence to other fans and players. Question - Does the famous vuvuzela fall into this category or will that be accepted because it reflects the "new South Africa"? Double standards perhaps?

  • kez - 2010-03-01 14:30

    why must they wave the old flag.....i am a white south african and i am proud of the flag we have now.

  • Thinus - 2010-03-01 14:31

    Dan Plato obviously does not know the difference between patriotism and liberalism. The old flag is still valid, what’s your problem or agenda? If is embarrasses you, well then you should have been in the ANC.

  • Craig - 2010-03-01 14:34

    Good on ya. Anyone with an old SA flag would have to be brainless and a danger to the rest of the crowd. And that is not a generalisation, just the honest truth.

  • Stu - 2010-03-01 14:34

    The old South African flag was never banned, and the display of it is protected under the right to freedom of speech.

    This was the reaction of Constitutional experts on Wednesday, after Bheki Cele, national chief of police, gave an order on Tuesday for a small old South African flag to be removed from a junior Metrorail manager's office in Durban.

    Cele gave this order after Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa noticed it by chance in the woman's office.

    Both Marinus Wiechers, who was part of the team who compiled the Constitution, and Pierre de Vos, a Constitution expert from the University of Cape Town, said the right to freedom of speech means people may still display the old flag.

    In 1996 particularly, the display of old flags at rugby matches caused controversy and the South African rugby authorities expressed their disapproval, but it was never forbidden at stadiums.

    Flag not forbidden

    The old flag was never forbidden by any law and even if someone wanted to do so, it would be unconstitutional, said De Vos and Wiechers.

    "Many people would say it (the old flag) is an eyesore. But freedom of speech also means that we must accept points of view we find appalling," said De Vos.

    According to Wiechers, only hate speech and defamation are not protected under freedom of speech.

    He feels it's a gross and insensitive abuse of power on Cele's part to give the order for the flag to be removed, without even discussing the matter with the woman.

    Metrorail policy

    De Vos said it is possible that individual establishments can make rules regarding what they will allow in the workplace, as long as these are clearly defined.

    For instance, it would be defensible if someone who works with the public or represents the state in some or other capacity was forbidden to display an old South African flag in their office.

    "But in your personal capacity you are free to hoist the old South African flag in front of your own house," he said.

    Thandi Mkhize, Metrorail spokesperson, said the establishment's policy states that no party-political flags or T-shirts or national flags which are no longer in use may be displayed in their offices.

  • Cyotee - 2010-03-01 14:35

    The old flag - I cant believe they banned it. okay what would my motives be for brining it to a game, well this is the flag I was born under, the one we all drew in PrePimary school, This is the flag that inspired pride in us during sport events, This is the flag that my father served when fighting on the border, the flag my brother served when he was in the army, that is the flag that my grandfather died under in WW2 - so ummm maybe that flag means more to me that the new one. So the ultimate point being made is that, how i feel about the old flag is irrelivent because some see it as offensive. nice one people. so i guess freedom of speach is out the window, I dont see thing wrong with the old flag, i think the new flag is nice too, yet i dont have the same emotional attachment to it. Those who get offended i understand their point, they should try undertand mine.