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Parking system done correctly - Joburg

2012-05-09 14:33

Johannesburg - The City of Johannesburg met the required legal obligations when it established a paid parking system, the municipality said on Wednesday.

"We issued notes to the public and businesses," Pieter de Klerk, the city's legal representative, told reporters.

"In Parkhurst, questions were raised if it was sufficient. We thought it was sufficient, but the community wanted more engagement."

City spokesperson Gabu Tugwana said the municipality believed a well-managed parking system tended to encourage visitors to business areas because parking was available near businesses.

The areas targeted for the paid parking system were: Braamfontein, Parkhurst, Rosebank, Roodepoort CBD, Sandton, Corlett Drive, Brixton, Emmarentia, Birnam, Melville, Florida, Norwood, Fordsburg, Parkview, Greenside, Craighall Park, Northcliff, Rivonia, and Linden.

At the moment, tariffs were set at R8 an hour and R4 for half-an-hour. No less than 74.8% of revenue would go to service provider Ace Parking, and 25.2% of revenue would go to the City of Johannesburg.

Money generated from fines would go directly to the city.

Tugwana said the city was willing to speak to the communities and ward councillors about the system.

"The door is not closed," he said.

The system is scheduled to be introduced in most areas in June.

Comments
  • Hermann - 2012-05-09 14:39

    If it is implemented then it is just too bad, I will go elsewhere.

      John - 2012-05-09 15:35

      spot on herman, it another scam and if the council thinks they will be getting 25% they are dreaming, firstly i have seen the system the attedandts can sell the parking at 1/2 price and not enter the car on the machine, secondly people wont pay and will be fined, summonses will need to be sent and when not paid warrants will need to be issued so all their 25% will be used up in admin fees,thirdly only honest people will pay again, seems this gov and metro counclis never think a thing through and are more worried how are they going to screw us to make thier cookie jar bigger, never the less should i be visiting any of the above areas i will not be paying.

      Walter - 2012-05-09 15:36

      More interestingly it would be to know who is behind ACE PARKING? And will pocket huge amounts daily! And what experience that company has with parking systems?

      Alan - 2012-05-09 15:46

      yah - well on Carte Blanche it seems like the proper engagement was not followed with the public, with Ace pointing fingers at JMPD and visa versa. But hey - I am G*TVOL of getting ripped off wherever I go - so I will just avoid these parking areas on principle. The fees being charged are akin to the toll road rip-offs. Stuff them all, I say. I feel sorry for the businesses that will be affected, as some will undoubtedly close due to lower turnover. The bright side of that though - less Tax payers.

      Max - 2012-05-09 15:58

      If the reason for introducing the parking system is to generate income for the municipality then the collection cost of 74.8% is just idiotic stupid to say the least. We are governed by intelectually challanged individuals in this country.

      Walter - 2012-05-09 16:03

      Admittedly, there are parking fees in probably the vast majority of cities all over the world but we are getting milked to a point that it is just criminal (and the money collected that way gets mostly wasted anyway). Tolls, property rates, water and electricity fees, income taxes, high food prices, I often wonder how the average family manages!

      John - 2012-05-09 16:18

      walter check them out http://aceparking.co.za/about-us.php

      Kala - 2012-05-09 16:57

      Walter - I agree there are parking tariffs all around the world, but here the income generated does not go back to the devlopment of the areas but into some company's bank account.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-05-09 17:10

      But WHY must a few individuals get rich, with what belongs to all of us !!!!!

  • marschoeman - 2012-05-09 14:45

    I did a quick poll in out office and no-one knew about this for longer than a week. SO if what they say is true, and they the process as required, where did they issue the notices? What really gets me, is that 3/4 of the money goes to a company and not the city. It is a joke...

      Hester - 2012-05-09 15:43

      Yes I agree with you. The municipalities were always in charge of the parking meters. Why now pay some outside company to do the same job? Is the ACE people going to plough the money back into the system to upgrade the delapidated pavements and streets?

  • Hendrik - 2012-05-09 14:46

    In the circus(SA) you must pay for you're seat(parking), to look at the clowns(ANC).

      John - 2012-05-09 15:23

      Hendrik there is nothing wrong with (SA) the government does not make the country its the people and i dont think the people are clowns....that being said this parking thing is a joke.....

      Alan - 2012-05-09 15:58

      I tell you what Hendrik - last night I watched Carte Blanche on Catch up to see what happened re the Tolls, and they had the Jhb Parking and the Dept. Fisheries debacles on as well. I just said to my wife, it seems that it does not matter are of public life you look at in SA anymore - everything just seems to be incompetently run. When will the Govt. wake up and put efficiency and long-term decisions before Inefficiency and corruption that our country has descended into???? This is not a Black vs White comment - it is simply about making capable people responsible for doing their jobs!

      Sheik - 2012-05-09 18:59

      Alan this lot can't run bath water, blame the voter.

  • Piet - 2012-05-09 14:48

    Just more tax to a selected audience. You, the ANC is going to be the downfall of all of these areas. Costing the country more jobs so that the elite can score some money....

  • JHLR73 - 2012-05-09 14:49

    Soon it will be a luxury do own a private vechile in SA, and especially Gauteng bacause you are milked to the bone to have this luxury. Expensive toll fees all over, extremely high petrol prices and excessive payment for parking anywhere you go. On top of that you pay thousands of rands off damages to your car due to poor roads beacause of poor maintanance of the roads.

      Hester - 2012-05-09 15:48

      You forgot the insurance.

      Alan - 2012-05-09 16:03

      and the carbon tax that is not used to improve the environment. But hey - get a Blue light or a Txai sign, and you will be exempt!

  • mark.ross.779 - 2012-05-09 14:49

    What I don't get is what we get in return? Is it simply that there will be more parking because certain people will be discouraged to park there because they will have to pay for it? That is a rubbish reason! Furthermore, where will the people who aren't willing to pay for parking but want to go to the shop go? Answer - elsewhere. Ultimately the shop loses. They lose one customer to (supposedly) gain one customer, rather than having the original two. Parking is not THAT bad that we have to scare certain people away so that other people who are willing to pay to park close can do so. Finally, they said that the contractor gets most of the cash... huh??? Why does one company benefit to the detriment of the actual shops in the area... Definite fingers in pies everywhere!! Carguards/metermaids whatever they are aren't worth R8 per hour per car!

  • Billy - 2012-05-09 14:49

    i think the signs say R1.50 or R2.50 per 15 minutes in cape town. R4 just to get out your car quick is foolish.

  • Victor - 2012-05-09 14:51

    I never received notification !!!!

      Anita - 2012-05-09 15:59

      Neither did I! First I heard was this week! Same as the tolls we were supposed to have heard about four years ago!

  • Murechen - 2012-05-09 14:56

    Why dont they ever produce proof of all the "communication" with the public? Ads in local / regional papers, ads aired of radio / tv?. I think that the businesses in those areas should demand to see proof of all the "communication" or "notes"

      Piet - 2012-05-09 15:00

      Do not ask Factual questions, Sies Murechen!

      Alan - 2012-05-09 15:49

      Yah - well on Carte Blanche, what was put in the newspaper did not point out specifically what areas and streets were going to be targeted. Like the Toll roads - money collected mainly goes to the cost of collection. No improvement to parking, roads etc. Viva Banana Republic, Viva

  • lisa.evansdominick - 2012-05-09 14:58

    And the balance of the money split between the company and people in the council receiving back handers. the parking @ R8.50 per hour is more expensive than underground parking in secure shopping centres

  • Zakhe Cele - 2012-05-09 14:58

    so the municipality gets 25% of monies generated and the rest goes to the service provider...who approves these deals?!?

      JHLR73 - 2012-05-09 15:04

      And the service provider has links to the municipality, I can bet you if they investigate, I smell corruption again.

  • Gideon - 2012-05-09 14:59

    Here we go again.

  • Davin - 2012-05-09 15:06

    "No less than 74.8% of revenue would go to service provider Ace Parking" lol, if you investigate it, you will probably find that Ace Parking is owned by someone in the city council or someone in government. They have stolen everything and are getting desparate now. Classic. Just the same as with the e-toll, I refuse to pay for something I already had.

  • Sean - 2012-05-09 15:11

    Running a country is about more that complying with the legal requirements. It is about doing what the people of the country require the government to do and to not do what we do not need. We are not here to serve government, you are here to serve us.

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-05-09 15:19

      Have to agree.

      Alan - 2012-05-09 15:51

      EXACTLY!!!!! But somehow the corruption and greed of the power hungry has blinded them as to their true function of SERVANTS!!

  • Phumi - 2012-05-09 15:12

    As much as the apartheid governemt was ruthless towards us but they have never made us pay so much taxes and unnessesary payments! Why is our government reversing the gains we have made thus far? I can expect this from the govenment of the Western Cape it is in their capitalistic nature. Solomon Mahlangu would have never approved of this hostility towards our people that we are witnessing from this government. Our only to liberate us from this misery is Mangaung where the dictators will be shown the door!

      Piet - 2012-05-09 15:28

      Your ANC is what you loath the most. Capitalists en imperialists like the Brits never could have imagined. And then you admit to be stupid enough to vote for them again after Mangaung. Remember when you wanted Mbeki out and declared that you will die for Zuma? That worked well did it not?

      barry.dogg.fritz - 2012-05-09 16:10

      Its a pity that the western cape is running a lot better then other towns in other provinces ,I did how ever chuckle @ the begining of your statement and then it went down hill from there , POWER to the people

      Phelamanga - 2012-05-10 07:09

      Phumi, you must not confuse capitalism with effective government. Capitalism is an economic system, in as much as communism is. It is clear that you understand neither of these systems. A lean, clean government creates a better environment for all people, whether they are capitalists or communists. However, the very fact that the communists are in control of the ANC must make you wonder about the rampant corruption, the incessant greed of the deployed cadres, their luxurious lifestyles and expensive cars, parties, lunches and houses. But then, you continue to believe that the non-dictators will not become dictators after Mangaung. Why not take the plunge and vote the whole Movement out of power. If you support the corruption and the increasing cost of doing anything in South Africa, then don't complain. It's your vote they used to become dictators.

  • Bryan - 2012-05-09 15:21

    Of course it was done correctly, we all believe you.. And I am having a threesome tonight with Angelina Jolie and Megan Fox..!!

      Alan - 2012-05-09 15:51

      Hope you have a Jolie good time!

      Bryan - 2012-05-09 15:56

      I'll post pictures:-)

  • BobM6389 - 2012-05-09 15:21

    Wonder who the share holders are of Ace Parking. My money is on someone closely connected to the ANC.

  • Henk - 2012-05-09 15:27

    ja joburg that was the anc's opinion on the e toll system also!!!

  • David - 2012-05-09 15:30

    The already IS parking available near businesses...you havent created more parking you idiot...you are chaging for something that has always been there! You are simply destroying businesses. May I suggest that any businesses in Parkhurst that suffer a downturn in besiness, file a class action agaist the COJ for loss of revenue?

      Bryan - 2012-05-09 15:59

      I remember going to the Jolly Roger pub in Parkhurst and having to park 200 meters away.. I bet there is no new parking bays available David.., now that same drunken walk is gonna cost say R20 bucks extra on the bar tab... Just plain wrong I say!!!

  • Ken - 2012-05-09 15:36

    Next we will be back to the olde Car Radio,Bicycle and Dog licence tax. Now they've done RICA (we know where you live) they can start with a Cell phone tax

      Alan - 2012-05-09 15:52

      shhhht

  • Leon - 2012-05-09 15:48

    Put OUTA on this E-Parking.

      Alan - 2012-05-09 15:54

      yeah - get the JMPd Outa here!

  • Kuno - 2012-05-09 15:50

    I always was under the impression that if i have to pay money for something i should receive a service or goods... could someone tell me what service or what kind of goods do i receive if i pay the parking? Nearly 75% of the money goes to Ace Parking. Which government crook has his fingers in the Ace Parking cookie jar? On second thought i pay taxes and do not receive any service for that money either.

  • Dickie - 2012-05-09 15:53

    E-tolling was also done correctly..and see where it got them...

      Alan - 2012-05-09 16:00

      like hell it was!

  • Christo - 2012-05-09 16:01

    Not to get too tecnical,if you rezone(legaly apply for higher property rights) and you dont have sufficient parking you pay a penalty(to compensate or contribute to council to create sufficient parking)This parking system is double billing of rater payers.

  • Thobejane - 2012-05-09 16:02

    i dont mind paying but only if i know for sure where the money is going to cause obviously is going to pay somebody house or a private jet or so marry as many wife as they can ou brothers and sister are suffering outside the community our rand currency is low yet u ant us to pay so when is a payment for breathing cuming?

  • barry.dogg.fritz - 2012-05-09 16:04

    I wonder if sanral have their fingers in this pie

  • Bra Tebzaah Sibilanga - 2012-05-09 16:04

    Another pyramid scheme administrated by the anc.

  • Gregory - 2012-05-09 16:10

    Oil gate , toll gate , parking gate what's next. Guaranteed their is a Zuma somewhere in the parking gate directorship.

      Alan - 2012-05-09 16:21

      Hopefully the next ANC gate will be the PearlyGate

  • Deon - 2012-05-09 16:18

    as with the e-toll system, direct action can change this. i think pieter de klerk needs to answer two very basic questions: 1. how and where were these notices served? 2. why is the city of johannesburg getting such a small percentage of the money? why don't you ask him (and get your friends to do the same). his e-mail address is: Pieterde@joburg.org.za

      Christo - 2012-05-09 16:51

      Dont think he is there anymore, last I heard

  • vernon.samuel.7 - 2012-05-09 16:27

    Of course it is being done properly! And no amount of disent from the community will change their perception. Until the courts rule against them. Then they will fall head over heels to please the court and respect its decision and fingers will be pointed from one government department to the other and everyone will insist that parking tariffs were not their idea. Bunch of twats have no respect for the people. They only care about us when they need money and votes, otherwise we are simply commodities.

      Deon - 2012-05-09 16:30

      so do something about it vernon. the gentelman in question can be reached at pieterde@joburg.org.za

  • Annette - 2012-05-09 17:04

    It is disgusting to say the least! Is it only me, or are the areas targeted in primarily up market areas? Put the same tariffs into Yeoville, Hillbrow, and Soweto and see what happens. Bet you within a week, it will be scrapped! Just saying....

      skootzie - 2012-05-09 17:49

      Or the meter's stolen ...

      Phelamanga - 2012-05-10 07:17

      I wonder why the CBD in downtown Johannesburg is not being targeted. Perhaps that's because Lethuli House is there. So, the corrupt elite minority escape paying once again.

      irritirritated - 2012-05-31 16:25

      Totally agree with you!

  • Aristar - 2012-05-09 17:19

    ANOTHER SCAM with a backhand to someone in the ANC.

  • skootzie - 2012-05-09 17:48

    // No less than 74.8% of revenue would go to service provider Ace Parking, and 25.2% of revenue would go to the City of Johannesburg. // Something wrong about that... or is it just me? O.o

  • Malcolm - 2012-05-09 18:41

    Yet another scam, I'm all for inner city parking meters but they are trying to make carguards look like a ligitimate profession. They've got people on Marshall Street waving motorists into clearly no parking areas outside the Anglo Building and issuing them with these ridiculous parking permits only to have the Metro cops come up behind then and ticket those cars parked in the red line zone, ie., right hand side of Marshall St.

  • George - 2012-05-09 18:42

    Sure for the scummy profiteers. ACE in the hole, as they say. Which city official is benefiting or are there many? We have to go back to Judge Bill on this one.

  • Sheik - 2012-05-09 18:57

    Sounds like the same Bullsh#t Sanral was selling. It's just another form of toll. PS. I'll be avoiding these ares in future.

  • Voiceinthedesert.co.za - 2012-05-09 23:44

    isn't it funny after they started the Chapman's Peak toll gate and everyone complained they came with the same story. After we see e-tolling gateways going up everywhere and people start complaining they come with the same story, but we did speak to everyone. Nonsense, man there are people trying to swindle our hard earned cash and they came up with new schemes everyday. thank God we are still in a democracy and the people have a say. God forbid we become another Zimbabwe we the president owns the country and they can rape steal and murder as much as they want.

  • CosmikGypsy - 2012-05-10 13:25

    Money money money... we are being sucked DRY people!

  • Dodozi - 2012-05-18 00:37

    Now Im steaming like a demon. I thought the money goes to the council. This madness needs to be stopped now. Im going to elevate this to Cosatu like we deed with the E tolls.

  • irritirritated - 2012-05-31 16:23

    People will lose their jobs and businesses will close - another system that no thought was put into - so typical!

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