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Parliament hears of SA submarine woes

2010-12-13 14:53

Cape Town - The woes of the Navy's SAS Manthatisi submarine, which has been out of commission for nearly three years, include fuses blown because someone inserted a plug in the wrong socket, Defence Minister Lindiwe Sisulu said on Monday.

"During a switch-over from shore to ship electrical supply, an incident occurred whereby an AC (alternating current) plug was incorrectly inserted in a DC (direct current) socket," she said in reply to a parliamentary question.

"This led to a number of fuses being blown (as with trip switches) protecting electrical equipment onboard from incorrectly phased electrical supply."

Fuses were blown in a shore supply box, and subsequently changes in design and operating procedure were made to prevent a repeat of the mistake, Sisulu said.

"The minor repairs that had to be effected to the outboard switchboard were completed shortly after the incident occurred, in excess of 18 months ago."

The incident was raised a month ago when the Navy's chief director of maritime strategy, Rear-Admiral Bernhard Teuteberg, told Parliament's portfolio committee on defence someone had connected wires "the wrong way round".

He said this had happened because the wires had not been marked properly but added that the person responsible had been disciplined.

Sisulu said the Navy had commenced the unprecedented process of doing an overhaul of the SAS Manthathisi - a five-year-old Type 209 sub-surface combat vessel - locally.

"Many elements of this process are unknown and infrastructure and training will need to be established in order to create a submarine overhaul capability in the country."

The Navy is currently drawing up a list of work that needs to be carried out during the overhaul, which it hopes to complete by 2012.

She qualified the overhaul as "minor", directly contradicting Teuteberg who told the portfolio committee in November that it was a "major overhaul" and "very, very complex exercise".

He also told MPs last month that a dire shortage of submariners had contributed to keeping the vessel out of commission for so long.

The Navy was rather concentrating on keeping two other submarines operational to train new recruits.

In addition, he said, the SAS Manthatisi had a problem with excessive hydrogen build-up in its batteries and sustained damage to plates when it was put to sea during a storm and knocked against the quay of the submarine pen.

There were plans to widen the entrance to the submarine pen.

Currently, the submarine was being housed in the Submarine Battery Workshop in the Simon's Town naval dockyard where it was being trickle charged to ensure that its batteries were maintained at operational levels.

It is to be fitted with new batteries after the overhaul to ensure a lifespan of at least a further eight years.

Comments
  • semaj - 2010-12-13 15:05

    Ever tried to fix a submarine with fencing wire and a pair of pliers? It seems that our navy has!

      alf.pop - 2012-08-13 20:14

      Where did they find the fencing wire? Normally that stuff gets sold to scrap yards shortly after "acquiring" it! And who trainde the guys how to use a pair of pliers?

  • pop101 - 2010-12-13 15:09

    Don't know whether I should laugh or cry.

      genet - 2010-12-14 14:13

      My comment exactly.

      waynet59 - 2010-12-14 22:27

      We did it better at R1.05 a day as national serviceman with no unions,but with discipline and respect for rank.

  • Normaldude - 2010-12-13 15:11

    Defence Minister , You are an ar@# hole , you could not even organise a piss up in a brewery , the only reason you are minister of defence because of your surname . Why do'nt you resign and lets someone with balls handle this job

      exocist - 2010-12-14 13:35

      HEY NORMALDUDE YOU SHOULDN'T CALL HER AN ar@#hole you should call her an ar@#half AFTERALL AN ar@3hole is still usefull

      AJ - 2010-12-15 13:52

      Why dont you just say arsehole! - much easier to read than $@%^@ etc.

      freeflyshannon - 2010-12-17 07:35

      @ Exocist...EXCELLENT!

  • Jack Kukard - 2010-12-13 15:12

    Just buy some spare fuses from some overseas company , the they can receive some more kick backs

  • Spade - 2010-12-13 15:12

    Why do we need submarines in the first place? Are we planning to attack someone, or do we think it will make any difference if a decent navy attacks us?

      pop101 - 2010-12-13 15:24

      My thoughts exactly. Our closest possible enemies are north of us, on the African land mass/continent. The three subs and couple of frigates won't be able to do anything against any decent navy. Just heard on the news they sold some cheetah fighters, probably to get money to maintain all these new toys we can't even drive/fly.

      chilliboy.se.ma - 2010-12-13 15:50

      I agree. I have no problem in funding a small navy/army/airforce if they are actually worth something. But surely there is no point in wasting money on what we have now, A small useless defence force. Eish!, I've put the plug in the wrong hole!! We will probably just kill ourselves should a war break out or maybe the plan is to kill the enemy with laughter or by biting them and hope they die of some disease (the slow puncture).

      albertusverster - 2010-12-13 15:57

      Navy is integral in keeping our shipping lanes safe and hinder the development of piracy near our coastline and those of our neighbours.

      pop101 - 2010-12-13 16:35

      Well Albertus, if that is the case, shouldn't they assemble and start "sailing" towards Somalia. Surely, a lot of our trade vessels make use of that shipping lane.

      pop101 - 2010-12-13 16:40

      Tell me Joe, out of interest, do you belong to a union? I've been in the defense force, and I know the Navy training is very tough, if not the toughest, but thats not the issue.

      GT - 2010-12-13 16:43

      Joe - how do you plan deploying? You have no method of getting to your insertion point. Your best hope is for a beach assault at St James or Kalk Bay. No doubt there are good people in the Navy, but you have commanders who have never been to sea and others who cannot even swim. It is a sad realty, although I thank you for your service!

      Barry M - 2010-12-13 16:56

      albertusverster - you are living in the past old fruit. A boatload of Somali pirates has mote balls than our piss-pot navy!

      jean.dutoit - 2010-12-14 06:59

      Joe, thank you for the laugh! I cracked up when I read that our Navy's in the same 'categoreey' as the US navy 'seels'. Just FYI, after the war games held in SA in the early 2000's, the British high command rated the SANDF as the third worst defense force in Africa. Remember the disastrous incursion into Lesotho? We would be better off getting security guards to fight our wars than relying on the dysfunctional SANDF.

      andrewpottow - 2010-12-14 20:06

      You could say the same about the airforce. We need a military to safeguard our shores, territory and airspace. South Africa has "no fly zones" over buildings and areas of vital importance to protect them from various possible threats that may arise but we cannot enforce these because our griphen fighters and rooifalk attack helicopters have been grounded over budget cuts. We have a navy for the same reason, to protect our shores from not only from military threats but from illegal fishing and many other illegal acts that may be perpetrated within our waters, the same applies to the army. We may not be at war but, as the old saying goes, "If you fail to prepare, prepare to fail". Imagine that we disband our already useless and inneffective military completely and Lesotho decides it likes our goldmines, who's stopping them? Or how about a couple thousand Zimbabweans who like the life they could have here? Hell, who's gonna stop the AWB if they decide they want the country back? Air sea and land superiority is required to defend a country, if we are missing only one, such as the Airforce, who's stopping me from renting a Cessna, packing it full of explosives and flying it into the Parliamentary buildings if I choose to? I am by no means suggesting we could defend against any of the above threats as it is but I'd like to think we atleast have something to fight back with other than my good old bolt action .308 and the likes.

      jawjabber7 - 2010-12-15 09:33

      Joe, since nobody else has done it, let me thank you for serving our country. No matter what the state of equipment or leadership, if there weren't any young men and women willing to put up their hands and answer the call, we'd be much worse of!

      Corry - 2010-12-15 14:57

      @ Joe Hlomane - hahaha, training the same as the SeALs (actually an acronym for Sea, Air and Land). Ya right. You fuckwits wouldn't even last 5 minutes of day 1. Never mind hell week. The old SANDF Navy Divers classed as an awesome operational force. Fk knows we did enough recces into Maputo harbour to blow the marker bouys. You clowns couldn't navigate your way into wash basin. Now the "cunts who want sweets" think they can operate and run a Marine force when all their training was land based (mostly to run away when the troepies started shooting). ROFLMFAO - I wonder if you "soldiers" still get dropped off 1km out to sea in the middle of the night wearing only a speedo. Hell you'll probably all drown.

      gmck21 - 2010-12-17 08:51

      @JOE-HLOMANE jesus... if your in our navy we are really F@#KED!! hows your spelling dude?? i thought you had to have at least matric to join the military forces? our navy is a joke man, we have admirils that cant even swim. @CORRY i agree with you 100% brother, you guys were real soldiers

      exocist - 2010-12-17 12:57

      hey guess what? i found my caps lock key sorry about the capitol letter typing. On another subject i phoned Pretoria headquarters a while back, some mama answered the phone and said "maj general some thing or other here" good lord how does a woman that probabily sits with her arsecheeks across two chairs become a maj. general ? when i was in the army we sweated our guts off, it was difficult to become a lance corpral even, not that i wanted to they just got more pay than us

      Douglas - 2010-12-18 00:27

      Why do we need submarines? Hmm...maybe because they act as force multipliers (1 sub is worth about 10 ships). Because they are invisible...and therefore a major deterrent to any hostile sea-going force, who know they stand a real chance of being blown clean out the water. Maybe because our Navy had over many years built up a proud submarine capability, who in 2000 was still hailed as possessing the best maintained Daphne Class submarines in the world. And, if anyone still recalls, a certain NATO exercise, a mere 3 years ago, in which our 'worthless' sailors not only managed to evade detection, but singlehandedly sank the entire NATO fleet (see http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/462-4733.aspx for the full story). Indeed, they did this with the very same boat now at the centre of this controversy. Yes, the Navy faces huge challenges (not unlike a number of other first world navies), esp wrt retention of our crews (who are highly skilled, and quite sought after in industry). But the heart of the problem has been the Navy's DRASTIC underfunding. Like any world-class submarine, boasting sophisticated electronics, sensors and weapon systems, these vessels are extremely expensive to maintain. Blame it, if you will, on poor management, poor planning, poor crews, poor maintenance...take your pick, but know you'd be doing it out of ignorance. The reality is that the Navy has done quite well under the circumstances - ie having almost no maintenance budget to speak of, since the boats arrived here. The problem is therefore much higher up, at political and Treasury level. There are still a great many competent sailors in the Navy, and some of the best among them are, in fact, those from previously disadvantaged backgrounds. (You get the good, the bad, and the ugly in every crew. Something worth remembering.)

  • Observer - 2010-12-13 15:13

    I admit that I don't know how many fuses there are in a submarine, nor how long it would take to replace them - but surely it's a relatively quick job? What would they have done if they were at sea? Is she really citing it as a reason why they are so far behind schedule?

      allie - 2010-12-14 20:31

      Now,here is something i am expert in.When you plug a 440vDC shoresupply into a 110vdc ship a chain of events take place which i have seen and attended to a few times.A technical explanation will take to long but i can promise:THIS R1.5Bn sub is totaly fuc-ed electrically and electronically.It will probably take 6 years to strip and repair.Best to tow it back to Germany.Let us pray old mad BOB of Zim does not decide to take us on one day

      waynet59 - 2010-12-14 21:59

      You must see how long the extension cord is for the subs when they do go to sea!

      mollie.kruger - 2010-12-16 11:43

      They should have asked old Zuma, he seems to be good at putting his plug into multiple holes...

      Douglas - 2010-12-18 00:35

      Uh...yes, it was a relatively quick repair. Because, unlike the laughable media hype and disinformation, the boat did NOT, in fact, have all her electrical systems fried. Just the fuses, meaning they did what they were designed to do. Honestly, some of the statements in these blogs are downright scaaaary off base, leaving me just shaking my head in disbelief. So...the real problem, as has actually been publicly admitted, is a shortage of crew. There's no getting around it, it's a problem. But guess what, Australia and Canada face similar problems with their own submarines. Guess we're not quite as far behind as we've been made out to be.

  • Normaldude - 2010-12-13 15:22

    Okay who broke da muchine , putting things in da wrong hole is not clever , Just get tender for R 50M and somebody from France will fix it

  • Mark - 2010-12-13 15:23

    Just a few months ago our illustrious minister of defence stated during a parliamentary portfolio committee meeting "the SANDF has never been in better shape". May the Good Lord help us!

      Don - 2010-12-13 15:40

      Her name is Sisulu = Liar & CORRUPT! Get her out!

      MaLemmer - 2010-12-13 15:50

      Why don't we DEMAND an inquiry, or is that non-PC?

      freeflyshannon - 2010-12-17 07:43

      Really...?the good lord can help us...?haha get real! Are you 6 years old?

      Douglas - 2010-12-18 00:40

      Here I have to agree. This is an incredible statement. Just read the Interim Service Commission's report, and see what a glorious state our SANDF is in. Poor salaries, low morale, old equipment, and buildings that are falling apart. Never been in better shape? Then times must've been really hard before.

  • DAB - 2010-12-13 15:23

    Need we say more???????

  • Zolani - 2010-12-13 15:28

    Why dont they take Parliment and julias for a ride, they must trust the work manship

      Douglas - 2010-12-18 00:41

      Actually, the worksmanship was of a very high standard.

  • Warren - 2010-12-13 15:29

    Why am I not surprised by this story?

  • Stinkhout - 2010-12-13 15:30

    Imagine having a nuclear powered submarine in our fleet. You would catch fish with 5 heads and 10 eyes, ready microwaved and glowing in the dark. Or as Aldous Huxley said; “Technological progress has merely provided us with more efficient means for going backwards.”

  • Other Justin - 2010-12-13 15:32

    Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!! LOLOLOLOL...... This is the type of thing you would see on a british comedy. We can't even run our own subs and ships in the navy properly. Not surprising when you have a poophol like Lindiwe Sisulu running things. So now we have no pilots for our fancy planes and a submarine that sits at dock for 18 months while we try and figure out how to fix and service it. LOL! This is criminal, when is someone going to do something about our security forces, this woman obviously doesn't have a clue.

  • pcpcoetzee89 - 2010-12-13 15:33

    Why not checking the nearest hardware shop for a few fuses ... have heard that if we are attacked by BOB and his cohorts ... we will have to dug our loopgrawe in our gardens ... and fight to the bitter end! I mean to say ... even HARARE'S Police Force or GABERONE'S Metro Police will give our "Defence Force" a hiding ...

  • Mateke - 2010-12-13 15:34

    It is totally unacceptable and downright scary that the SA Navy cannot conduct fundamental maintenance activities without fouling up. Does the SAN not have qualified maintenance management systems in place to prevent such occurrences. Get people who know and understand what is required and get rid of ALL incompetents! How disgraceful. Submariners from the first world war if still alive, could advise better!!!

      exocist - 2010-12-14 09:29

      NO THEY DON'T HAVE QUALIFIED MAINTENANCE MANAGMENT THEY GOT RID OF THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE TOO WHITE AND TOO CLEVER EISHH..

  • Major Payne - 2010-12-13 15:34

    Well for how long has the navy only had 1 operational sub? Even the old daphne class had only one operational diesel engine between 2 subs that the navy swapped out so they could get dive time on both subs.

      Douglas - 2010-12-18 00:44

      Uh...we have 2 operational submarines. Which is twice as much as you seem to think. And, as a matter of fact, is perfectly in line with the planned maintenance cycles of our submarines. One of the boats will ALWAYS be in maintenance, with the other two operational. Is this a hard concept?

  • Mr Mc - 2010-12-13 15:44

    It clear that if anyone of our neighbouring countries up north had to attack us we would have to call ADT Nelspruit branch

      peter.lloyd.za - 2010-12-13 16:15

      LOL, had a good chuckle at this comment. Thanks! :D

      Templar - 2010-12-15 09:33

      I hear the Beaufort West unit isn't to bad either...

  • MaLemmer - 2010-12-13 15:49

    Heh,Heh,Heh,Heh. Imagine, an overhaul after 5 years. What a bunch of porkers!

      Douglas - 2010-12-18 00:46

      Hmm...that's funny. As a matter of fact, most navies in the world work in 5-6 year cycles to 'overhaul' (or refit) their ships and submarines. It's 100% normal. Hilarious, ain't it?

  • Mateke - 2010-12-13 15:52

    Maybe the SAN could sign up with the AA, at least they could call on them while permanently in harbour - they have jump leads and fuses and stuff. PS don't forget to close the hatch when you submerge... and hold your breath... and no smoking with all that hydrogen around!!

  • Mr Drew - 2010-12-13 15:53

    "Sisulu said the Navy had commenced the unprecedented process of doing an overhaul of the SAS Manthathisi - a five-year-old Type 209 sub-surface combat vessel - locally." This is like buying a really expensive and then deciding that you want to save money on the service by doing it yourself, more likely saving the embaressment of taking it back to the dealer and admitting that you creashed it reversing out the garage in bad weather and connected the cigarette lighter to the 220V wall socket so you could play the radio. How much did this machine cost? Absolutely stupid to attempt the overhaul yourself when you can't even plug it in correctly.

      Mr Drew - 2010-12-13 15:56

      Sorry, that should have included the word "car" after "expensive"

      bonesagain - 2010-12-13 16:52

      They do it in Chatsworth all the time....

  • pensioner - 2010-12-13 15:54

    If it was only fuses to be replaced then why has it been out of commission for 3 years. It does not take that long to replace fuses or maybe with the quality of the maintenance personnel that remain it would take that long.

  • The Monk - 2010-12-13 15:57

    so what exactly would happen if another country would attack us? We don't have enough subs and similar vehicles and don't plan to buy/build anymore. So why are we wasting money on the existing ones. Besides, when the navy boys discover that the enemy are using live rounds, they will all go on strike. What a freaking joke.

      exocist - 2010-12-14 09:33

      WHY WOULD ANOTHER COUNTRY ATTACK US THEY ALL LIVE HERE ALREADY

      notlimited - 2010-12-15 09:50

      Ha Ha Exocist, brilliant comment!!!

      Karel - 2010-12-15 17:52

      exorcist, you almost made me pee my pants because I was laughing so much. thanks

      Douglas - 2010-12-18 01:01

      What would happen, you ask? Maybe the same thing as happened when we were under an exercise attack. We would evade all the enemy ships' sensors, then hunt 'em down one by one, and sink 'em. We did this in 2007, and we'll do it again. Wait...read it for yourself: "A lone South African submarine left some Nato commanders with red faces on Tuesday as it "sank" all the ships of the Nato Maritime Group engaged in exercises with the South African Navy off the Cape coast. The S101 -- or the SAS Manthatisi -- not only evaded detection by a joint Nato and South African Navy search party consisting of several ships combing the search area with radar and sonar, it also "sank" all the ships taking part in the fleet." Excerpt from http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/462-4733.aspx Also: 'The SAS MANTHATHISI managed to penetrate an anti-submarine screen of 7 ships undetected and “sank” the high value target that the screen was trying to protect. After this she turned on the protecting screen and managed to “sink” the balance of the remaining surface ships.' Note that the 'enemy' ships weren't 3rd world rustbuckets, but rather quite formidable international warships.

  • Bren - 2010-12-13 16:01

    I am not an electrician so I am open to correction here but surly an AC plug is very different to a DC plug. If they are the same then that was a very stupid design but if they are different then how did they manage it???

  • john - 2010-12-13 16:01

    A type 209 sub requires 36 people to run it. There are more than 36 MILLION people in this country and our people can't even put together 1 decent crew who break the toys we paid for! Normally a sub would return to base and swap crews. Our 36 crew gets back to base and swaps submarines - Either because they've broken this one too or because the other one needs to run up some kilometers for a tax dodge...

  • LBS - 2010-12-13 16:02

    I rest my case!

  • d54 - 2010-12-13 16:15

    An AC connector plug the same as a DC connector plug????? Not even in basic electronics.

      wdvilliers - 2010-12-13 20:50

      I AGREE...she is bullsh@tting!!!

      westerhuizen - 2010-12-14 21:04

      AC...DC..ANC...I SMELL TROUBLE!

      Corry - 2010-12-15 14:48

      I thought the same, but then realised some industrious oxygen thief probably cut a DC plug and attached it on the AC power source. When everything blew it probably sat back, finger in nose and said "eishhh, it's apartheid fault"

  • Garry - 2010-12-13 16:19

    A once proud defence force now relegated to a spent force, thanks to the ANC, who have F-----D everything in this country.

      rodneykdc - 2010-12-13 16:36

      SARS is still running like it always used to , he said with tongue firmly in - cheek!!!!

      Worsie_Se_Pa - 2010-12-15 14:30

      SARS in running well because someone with half a brain realised you don't kill the goose that lays the golden egg. Bit like when the US forces entered Baghdad. The first building they secured was the Oil Ministry.....

  • peter.lloyd.za - 2010-12-13 16:24

    I think they should tow the broken submarine into deep sea waters and sink it before the Eskom cable thieves get a hold of it and start cutting it up for its metal.

      exocist - 2010-12-14 09:37

      IF THEY WENT INTO DEEP SEA WATERS THEY WOULD PROBABLY STEAL THE TELKOM UNDERSEA CABLE FOR SCRAP COPPER

      freeflyshannon - 2010-12-17 07:49

      Exocist,your caps lock is stuck 'on'...just saying

  • james4usa - 2010-12-13 16:25

    What about maintenance prolems at Pelindaba after all the whites were fired. The AFRICA part of South Africa is gaining dominance.

  • PeterZ - 2010-12-13 16:29

    Who is this Sisulu woman? Does she know the difference between an army tank and a bulldozer or a container ship and a passenger liner? Really, to think our lives are in the hands of this incompetent woman when it comes to a war situation. Lucky for us, all of the terrorist nations of the world, Iran, Syria etc are SA's friends so we do not have to fear when Lindiwe is near. No wonder we live in the dark continent.

  • rodneykdc - 2010-12-13 16:34

    She heard NAVY , thought she heard GRAVY !!!

      tebogomahloko - 2010-12-13 16:54

      you guys kill me, ROTFLMAO, but hey I agree that for as long as we have her in the DoD then the DoD is going to be DOOD very soon

      Bob Kot - 2010-12-17 01:22

      DooD soos 'n DoDo

  • muschook - 2010-12-13 16:46

    No wonder we won't send our Navy to Somalia to fight the Pirates. We can't! It will be the ultimate embaressment! Imagine the international headlines: South African Navy gets lost! Or Submarine sinks after crew forgets to surface... What a joke! What is not so funny is what this has and is costing tax payers!

      Ponkie - 2010-12-13 20:05

      The pirates will hijack all of the SA Gravy, umm I mean Navy vessels that will be sent to Somalian waters as soon as they arrive... LOL

      Douglas - 2010-12-18 01:04

      I think you've read too many comic books. Give the Navy the money it deserves, and see what a world class performer it'll become.

  • Barry M - 2010-12-13 16:53

    Lindiwe Sisulu, you are a piss poor excuse for a Minister of Defence, defence implies protecting the state (which thanks to the ANC is in one hell of a state) and not sitting on de-fence. When I was in the army the SADF was a formidable and proud fighting force – thanks to you it is operating at less than 3% of its former strength and is an embarrassment to this country – who ever heard of the army going on strike – all I can say is God help us if we ever get attacked by anyone – even Lesotho could kick our army’s arse into next week. You are an embarrassment madam – it’s high time you woke up to the fact and stopped lining your pockets at the expense of the poor gullible black populace who continue, through ignorance of monolithic proportions, to vote your sorry lot into government time after time – what the hell goes through their minds to repeat this mistake? Maybe mentally they are all on the same level as your buddy Julius Malema?

  • Exunitate - 2010-12-13 17:21

    The "SA Defense Force" cannot act because- 1. They are not operational; 2. Their equipment is not operational; 3. Their members have no clue of doing that kind of operation; 4. They fired all the members with operational experience because they were white; 5. The government has no money to tackle that type of operation because the government is bankrupt but they still have money to buy BMW's and palatial homes; 6. In practice we don't have a "Defense Force"; 7. They will sh!t their pants if those pirates hijack ships in the Durban harbor; 8. They can't even secure our border against illegal immigrants; And I can go on and on. We are in a pathetic situation - but it might just be that they'll ask Zimbabwe, Lesotho and Swaziland for assistance.

  • Val Stother - 2010-12-13 18:20

    I know for a fact that crew from the other subs have been taking parts from this sub to keep the others operational. That's why it will take so long, there are no parts.

      Ponkie - 2010-12-13 20:11

      During the transfer process of the parts they have most likely started selling the valuable parts as scrap metal, soon they will have a couple of metal hulks floating around in the docks. A true African flotilla indeed.

  • Julius - 2010-12-13 19:56

    Anyone surprised ? M.. see, M.. do, M.. doesn't know what to do

  • Ponkie - 2010-12-13 19:56

    Are they "overhauling" the submarine to run on wood & coal now? Then they'll also be able to operate in in Zimbabwe to go hel cousin Bob against the imperialists that are invading "His Zimbabwe". Maybe they should also employ minibus taxi drivers to do the driving, they'll first have to remove the sterring though & replace it with a vice-grip to make the conversion from taxi to submarine a bit smoother.

      exocist - 2010-12-14 09:43

      THEY REALIZED ZIMBABWE IS A LANDLOCKED COUNTRY NOW THEIR TOP SCIENTISTS ARE PUTTING WHEELS ON THE SUBS BUT IT WON'T BE READY TILL 2013 BECAUSE THE NAVY IS ON STRIKE

  • exocist - 2010-12-13 20:12

    probabily tried to steal elecric wire most likely, plug in the wrong hole what a joke, bolt in the nuclear reactor, machine gun your own troops all we,are missing is idi amin with all his medals to command this bunch of bobjaane

  • exocist - 2010-12-13 20:19

    HEY JOE WHAT AMERICAN SEELS ARE YOU REFERING TO,THAT YOU GET THE SAME TRAINING? THE ONE'S IN THE AQUARIUM WITH THE FLIPPERS

      Concerned Citizen - 2010-12-14 13:48

      hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.. oh my word that is the funniest thing ever. Exocsit you are correct, in fact apparentlly seaworld is sending 2 of their best trainers on a 6 month loan to train the rest of the armed forces.

  • exocist - 2010-12-13 20:26

    THANK GOD THAT BLESKOP GOT RID OF OUR NUCLEAR BOMBS BEFORE THE ANC TOOK OVER, IMAGINE THE NEWS IN THE PAPERS, OOPS SO SORRY WE PUSHED THE WRONG BUTTON JULIUS OUR ILLUSTRIOUS GENERAL IS COLOUR BLIND

  • KaiinSA - 2010-12-13 23:58

    We'd be better defended if we reverted back to ox waggons and rifles.

  • Kevin Rack - 2010-12-14 04:37

    Cadres dont swim, go back to the bush. Imagine an Admiral of the Navy that has never been on a boat. LOL These subs cost billions and yet 2 still sit on the cradles they were delivered on. We dont have enough personal to man the subs as the navy is heamoraging staff. Navy staff are so disillusioned as the leaders can tven swim or have never even been on a boat. Same in the army. The air force dont have enough pilots, as mot have emigrated, to fly those multi million dollar planes. Some of them have not been flown for 2 years. The whole arms deal is corrupt with Zuma receiving back hand for equipment we dont need or are even able to support. The Hyena Clan strikes again.

  • Lionel - 2010-12-14 07:03

    And the astute Lindiwe Sisulu was quick to tell the parliamentary portfolio committee on defence that the defence force has never been in better shape and is always on the ready 24/7. God help us if the country is attacked by a bunch of Somali pirates in rubber dinghys.

      SA1 - 2010-12-16 20:17

      Ha ha They would overthrow the govermunts,I think it would take 1 US marine to do the same.

  • draadkar - 2010-12-14 07:29

    How come Parlaiment only hears of this now, when it was a WELLKNOWN fact 2 years ago??

      exocist - 2010-12-14 13:48

      THE STRING BETWEEN THE TWO TIN CANS THEY USE TO COMUNICATE IS BROKEN, THEY'VE PUT IN A TENDER BUT THE COMPANYS ARE ON STRIKE

      notlimited - 2010-12-15 11:21

      Wow Exocist, you are so funny man, but sadly that is the truth.LOL.

  • draadkar - 2010-12-14 07:31

    Oh and from some very reliable reports it's clear that more than just a few fuses were popped... when you put 380v 3phase (which is what they did) on a 110v system... yes well... How stupid does this Lindiwe box think South Africans are?

  • gregx - 2010-12-14 08:14

    Joe_Hlomane you retard! You are obviously in the navy because you dropped out of school in Std 3, or they kicked you out because the you were 18, so you decided Simons Town was good. Free room with a view of False Bay, free food, free clothes, you got the bonus plan. Quote: "I'm am in the Navy at Simons town and we are there to protect our shores in case of the emirgency. We have been vigorously trained and are highly skilled. The training we have recievde is classed in the same catagoreey

  • Demoerin - 2010-12-14 08:31

    5 jaar oud en dit het 'n overhaul nodig? Dit sê een van 2 dinge... incompetent operators of hulle het 'n kat in die sak gekoop - 'n stukkie bollie wat kan duik. Dankie aan almal vir die lag vanoggend...

      Demoerin - 2010-12-14 08:50

      I am sorry for my Afrikaans comment... I laughed so much I forgot I was reading on news24.

      Ponkie - 2010-12-14 09:46

      Lekkerste wat ek in 'n lang tyd gelag het

  • Joe - 2010-12-14 14:12

    If you gave the submarine a white Afrikaner name, it might actually work. Worth a try!

      Will2.0 - 2011-01-31 14:14

      Then fill them up with brandy and coke...bound to fight then, but only with the other subs in the fleet.

  • ray.romans - 2010-12-14 14:17

    I notice that there are no comments from the likes of Poloyatonki, Kolobe and all his haters of the whites. Are they embarrassed at last? They should be. Viva ANC, Viva the B team.

  • preshengovender69 - 2010-12-14 15:58

    SA submarine are just like the Politician : long,hard and full of seamen

      gmck21 - 2010-12-17 09:00

      dude all your comments are sh#t or sex realted. your not funny your a toyota tazz with freeflow FAIL

      gmck21 - 2010-12-17 09:00

      RELATED hahaa