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Police staff may be reduced by 9 000

2012-05-14 09:40

Johannesburg - South Africa's police service should reduce staff numbers by 9 000, the Treasury has recommended.

According to a Treasury report submitted to Parliament last week, this could see the police service placing a moratorium on the recruitment of new members from 2013, Beeld newspaper reported on Monday.

Dianne Kohler Barnard, DA MP and shadow minister of police, said the country could not afford to have fewer police officers.

"With one of the world's highest crime rates, we need more police officials. This suggestion bodes ill for the improvement of the police's specialised services, especially detectives and the forensic division."

Kohler Barnard said the head of the police's forensic laboratory had already been told no new staff could be hired, in accordance with the Treasury recommendation.

Police spokesperson Colonel Vish Naidoo said on Sunday the Treasury had only made a recommendation, and that the figure of 9 000 was not definitive.

"It will happen over a long period of time. Nobody's job is under threat. The idea is to reduce existing staff numbers through natural means, resignations, retirements... that kind of thing."

Naidoo said the police had appointed around 55 000 new members between 2005 and 2009 ahead of the 2010 Soccer World Cup.

"This means that we appointed about 11 000 people a year, whereas we usually appoint only about 3 500 a year."

Comments
  • Tony Lapson - 2012-05-14 09:45

    Release the prisoners and fire some cops.

      E=MC2 - 2012-05-14 10:04

      hahaha! Thats a point that'll make you want to laugh and cry at the same time

      Jack - 2012-05-14 10:27

      Well i guess that's one way of tackling corruption.

      Jack - 2012-05-14 10:45

      Let's just declare martial law and a state of emergency while we're at it...

      Werner - 2012-05-14 10:50

      It will make no difference! It's not like they do anything anyway

      Pagel - 2012-05-14 10:52

      Maybe that is how treasury plans on paying for the e-toll fiasco!

      deabreu - 2012-05-14 10:53

      The government has Million of Rands to change CITY AND STREET NAMES, but they canot afford to protect the communities, or to provide for the poor. The state hospitals don't have anything to help people. What will trained police staff do in the streets? But these well-fed politicians driving their BMW and Mercs have money for themselves & enough to change stupid street names. So much for priorities!!

      GrootWitHaai - 2012-05-14 11:23

      Most of the prisoners are our fine Men In Blue.

      Templar - 2012-05-14 11:43

      So I guess there are currently around 9000 senior posts in the SAPS still held by non-blacks. Need to make way for the cadres.

      Michael - 2012-05-14 13:51

      Guess these criminals will have to wear civvies now....

      John - 2012-05-14 16:05

      corrupt ones or the good guys

  • tednhet - 2012-05-14 09:47

    Just more bribes to pay

  • Piet - 2012-05-14 09:48

    And we thought the ANC wanted 150 000 extra police members when we hosted the World cup. Clearly the cadres need this money for something else now.

      Pagel - 2012-05-14 10:52

      Maybe that is how treasury plans on paying for the e-toll fiasco!

      Lee - 2012-05-14 11:07

      It's all part of Zuma's job creation.

      Clive - 2012-05-14 14:42

      Just another failer by our ruling elected officials. Close down dept that work and invest in those that don't make all our friends Colonels when is enough going to be enough and at what stage will people wake up and vote with there heads not heart.

  • Zing - 2012-05-14 09:50

    Statistically - If you keep appointing more policemen - you will eventually find a few more that can do the work.

  • Peter - 2012-05-14 09:52

    Our country is under so much strain already and you want to reduce the number of police officers, such an ignorant ignorant government, they will only learn when its too late

  • vernon.samuel.7 - 2012-05-14 09:52

    Well it may well reduce by that number pretty soon by dismissals if all the cases of corruption against cops are finalised soon.

  • Herman - 2012-05-14 09:54

    Hopefully it is the 9000 top corrupt officers.

      Schmee - 2012-05-14 11:16

      Unfortunately it will probably be the ones that quietly get on with a honest days work.

  • William Teixeira - 2012-05-14 09:56

    Reduce them naturally by retirements etc. How about getting rid of the corrupt upper core and then they will have money to employ more constables. Too many (corrupt) Chiefs to little indians.

  • pjcbs - 2012-05-14 09:58

    SAPS already appears to be dysfunctional due to corruption and poor adminestration, not even mentioning the lack of diciplne, morality and inability to investigate a case properly. Who will be fired? Will it be the useless members, or the useless and corrupt members? Certainly there are SAPS members out there who are doing a great job, but they are few and far between. I think that we need more cops, more well trained cops that can read and wright, and that actually understands the ciminal justice system. The treasurt should rather reduce the money spent on useless commisions, parliamentary festivities that celebrate mediocracy, and cut money to those who are misspending it.

  • delish7564 - 2012-05-14 09:58

    That really makes sense, NOT! Crime is bad enough with the current numbers, imagine the effect with a cut. There again, perhaps if there was better training and those officers who performed well (I'm sure they do exist) were paid a decent wage, then maybe, just maybe, SA would stand a chance of lowering its crime rate!

  • Kommentator Nuus - 2012-05-14 09:58

    That will leave those families without an income and criminals running rampant. If only the fat cats who coin it in municipalities in return for poor service delivery were paid less...

  • Edna - 2012-05-14 09:59

    maybe they should start with the too many police looking after the ministers and the likes of Malema

  • Sakhiwo - 2012-05-14 10:01

    As long as somebody's job won't be affected by this,but they are playing with fire

  • Nigel - 2012-05-14 10:01

    what !!, & the ANC (Cosatu) has the cheek to accuse ABSA of retrenching.

      randomhero6661 - 2012-05-14 11:21

      nobody likes ABSA anymore.

  • John - 2012-05-14 10:03

    Is it too late to apply to host the 2020 Olympics? It seems like this government only takes an interest in public safety when we hosting a major sports event. Also when you look at the past 5-7 years it seems like all major infrastructure projects were started because we were hosting the 2010 World Cup (highway improvement, upgrade to airports, etc). How pathetic is it that our government only has motivation to do these projects when there is a chance to show off to the world....

  • stefan.vanderspuy - 2012-05-14 10:06

    The positive spinoff is that we'll automatically get rid of some criminals who are in the police force.

      Andrew Khonje - 2013-03-26 15:15

      I bet you 10 to 1 that the corrupt cops are trying to get rid of the honest cops, so that they can have a 100% corrupt police force, with a police commisioner with zero policing experience.

  • IcemanGP - 2012-05-14 10:06

    And in their mass appointing, they hired fat, lazy, unfit and sometimes criminal people. I feel so safe.

  • Pauliano Wa-Astra - 2012-05-14 10:07

    Start reducing 1st fat corrupt officers

      JaredVN - 2012-05-14 11:02

      Fire the fat and corrupt you will soon be left with 3 remaining members.

  • mark.p.vrdoljak - 2012-05-14 10:12

    The cost of corruption, treasury books have to now balance, R30 billion missing lets fire some cops!

  • andre.potgieter.5 - 2012-05-14 10:14

    "Natural staff reduction"? Transformation with a new name? What will happen to those at the Training Colleges if there will be no more recruits? Golden Handshakes?

  • Simon - 2012-05-14 10:20

    surely all they need to do is fire the corrupt cops, problem solved.

  • mmangaliso - 2012-05-14 10:24

    WTF

      Enlightened - 2012-05-14 15:19

      Hi there. Please explain that flag. I'm truly curious

  • Christo - 2012-05-14 10:24

    Ya release 15 000 prisenors and fire 9 000 cops, just what the taxpayer need, Government force us to pay for an ever increasing private security force. Just anathor way of milking the cow.

  • Gavin - 2012-05-14 10:25

    yet another mind boggling suggestion from the another national crisis party. how about we put all the corrupt cops and ANC members behind bars instead ? this should save us enought money to sort out all of SA's roads, and start our own space program.

  • Bibi - 2012-05-14 10:26

    Start cutting right at the TOP.

  • Denzil - 2012-05-14 10:27

    Cut the salaries of high ranked officers - whose strategic planning is done by consultants anyways. Give them a police van to drive home and take away their locomotion allowances. With that reduction, there would be no need to reduce the numbers by 9000.

  • Matthew - 2012-05-14 10:29

    So what this is saying is that,We have one of the worlds highest crime rates. Our police is beyond corrupt (thats basic general knowledge for anyone in south africa) Now they're firing up to 9000 even though they're saying "no ones job is on the line". But no no,we dont have the money to maintain a uselss police force.why? because the ruling party is robbing this country blind,they're on people. No one can stop it,or is doing anything about it. 20 billion rand goes missing/un-accounted for,and no probe or investigations. But eish,we dont have money for police now. This country keeps getting more and more ridiculus and no one dares to do anything about,or at least follow it through If you could just replace majority of the police force with people that arnt the size of a small elephaunt (how can they even run after a criminal or react "quick" enough in a situation?!),that are honest and no side intentions (anyone that wants to be apart of the police force,should ot just under-go a physical and theory test etc,but a lie detection test aswell.a proper one) so that in the end,you're putting people that do care,that do do their jobs,people that arnt as useless as our current police force.people that are passionate about making south africa a safer place.not just people that couldnt care past their pay checque end of the month. at least theirs 9000 good for nothing getting the boot. Only sad thing is,knowing our gov,they'll probly sack the last decent cops we have =/

  • Edwin - 2012-05-14 10:29

    I heard that the next in take of police officers will be in 2019. Since there is a lack of Social Workers in South Africa and because of the social concerns will Social Workers be trained up to handle the social problems.

  • hans.schouwstra.7 - 2012-05-14 10:34

    yes man, who need cops, this is South Africa, everything is calm on the Western front. haha what a joke

  • Mark - 2012-05-14 10:34

    More police officers will not result in a lower level of crime. What is needed in SA is more effective policing which you will not get as race is the most important consideration , therefore I am in favour of less useless cops.

  • ludlowdj - 2012-05-14 10:37

    9000 less criminals to worry about in the coming year chaps, its safe to bring out the fancy cars, just carry enough extra cash for a KFC dinner pack, just in case

  • Dale - 2012-05-14 10:37

    AWA !!!

  • Jason - 2012-05-14 10:39

    Not sure how it is in the rest of the country, but the police do a great job in the western cape, the other day I saw a cop stop his car to get out and help a young child cross the road because his mother decided to leave him on the other side. I was well impressed. Besides that there is always police presence in the right places.

      OiVey - 2012-05-14 10:42

      EVERYTHING is better in W.Cape....why... cause DA is the ruling party! Hang your heads in shame ANC!

  • OiVey - 2012-05-14 10:39

    I think this is good news - means less cops to victimise the public!

  • ndyeboreginaldmazawule - 2012-05-14 10:39

    We have a high rate on unemployment in this country and the stupid treasury is recommending a sack in the police department, is he/she in a good state of mind? No this pereson must just review this again. And the crime in this coumtry is just outrageous man, please this person is thinking for himself and his corrupt ways.

      Nigel - 2012-05-14 10:41

      this while the ANC spends millions on parties & fancy cars.

      Jason - 2012-05-14 10:56

      They don't care, there jobs are still intact, I agree sometimes people need to put the shoe on the other foot before they make comments. Surely one government "function" party should take care of 9000 police salaries for a year?

      antionettenener - 2012-05-14 11:04

      He is not in a good state of mind. How many percente will unemployment increases? Instead of giving use skils to equip ourself and creating more employment, they are thinking of reducing their staff? Crime will sky rocket

  • MSGRule - 2012-05-14 10:43

    Wow wow, suprises on a daily basis form the cANCer eroding South Africa. Corrupt cops will stay the good ones will leave. We are so screwed with this government of ours.

  • sjhuman1 - 2012-05-14 10:43

    The cops do their jobs, but not nearly as efficiently as they should. they don't have respect for their jobs. if they did there wouldn't be crime left in SA. Everything is so corrupt that even the cops want a bribe to do whats written in their job description. i say fire all the useless ones that fall behind quota when it comes to catching crooks.. Jails might be getting full, bring back the death sentence and corporal punishment, cut off penises of the rapists, chop off the hands of the guys with long fingers.. that would make the crook think twice before trying to mug you for R50 which he'll spend on booze, weed and hookers anyways..

  • Vernon - 2012-05-14 10:44

    I can not see that it would make any difference,crooks in uniform or civvies are still crooks,it would make more sense for the Police to run a campaign to get the public to trust them.

  • Piet - 2012-05-14 10:46

    LOL, Vote ANC for a brighter Future!!!! LOL!!!!

  • Craig - 2012-05-14 10:46

    I CAN NOT UNDERSTAND THE ANC, PLEASE SOMEONE TRY AND HELP ME HERE, ALL THIS TIME I THOUGHT WE HAD A CRIME PROBLEM.

      TSR01 - 2012-05-14 10:57

      The ANC is part of that problem, that is why they are trying to reduce the number of cops. :)

      Rob - 2012-05-14 15:01

      Easy, it is a crime only if it is reported. Less police = lower crime stats!

  • Sfiso - 2012-05-14 10:47

    hahaha release prisoners and downsize the police service you will see fireworks.

  • lownabester - 2012-05-14 10:48

    Let the fatcats at the top go and keep the few honest policemen.

  • Kevin Van Niekerk - 2012-05-14 11:01

    Im reading all these comments on how people are saying how bad the police is and Im thinking just about how bad their pay = work ratio is. I mean they do all sorts of hectic dangerous work for the public by putting their lives on the line for then and all that the people can do is complain. Has any of you ever sat down and thought about the policemen/women who go to work and leave their family at home and don't know if they are gonna see them at the end of their shift? I mean they get paid so little to do so much and then they get so much grief for doing there work. I think we should praise the ones who work and get rid of the ones who are corrupt. The men and women in blue are people just like you and me with families. Before you criticize again think about the good ones and what they do for you.

      Matthew - 2012-05-14 11:06

      "I think we should praise the ones who work and get rid of the ones who are corrupt" you said right... I hear what you're saying,i do. But at this point you're looking at a ratio of cops that do ,do their job 10% - 15% the rest,as you put it,we need to get rid of =/

  • John - 2012-05-14 11:03

    6000 that can not use a fire arm and 3000 top brass plundering the coffers of our hard paid tax money.

  • Hennie - 2012-05-14 11:06

    Whats the dfference? Release prisoners - more criminals on the street .Fire 15000 cops = even more criminals on the street....a lose , lose situation!

  • Frank - 2012-05-14 11:06

    Whitenut and Sganja, what are your views on this one comrades?

  • charles.dubber - 2012-05-14 11:10

    Let them recruit proper police rather and let go of all the corrupt police. I heard a story where Police stole someones car and put a gun to his head. What is going on?

      Matthew - 2012-05-14 14:10

      true story mate.the word "cops" is just another word for "criminals"

  • Thetha - 2012-05-14 11:12

    Thanx it is a good idea but if they can start with corrupt official and introduce voluntary medical boarding.

  • Frank - 2012-05-14 11:13

    I support everything that the ANC does except e tolls and 2nd term form comrade JZ. I also support gvt on secrecy bill. What happened to Kolobe, Mat and Black-Jesus?

      Schmee - 2012-05-14 11:43

      Woooosh, this comment went right over my head.

      21.november.dell - 2012-05-14 14:07

      Jesus is dead dude

  • matsieddy.malebatso - 2012-05-14 11:13

    Let Mdluli resign first.

      Jason - 2012-05-14 11:27

      let them all resign first.