News24

Police 'took miner from hospital and killed him'

2012-09-05 14:14

Marikana - As South Africa's mining strike threatened to spread, striking miners charged that police dragged an injured colleague from his hospital bed and killed him.

The allegation adds to accusations that police have used excessive violence against the strikers at the Lonmin Marikana platinum mine, following the August 16 police shootings in which 34 strikers were killed.

Some protesters on Wednesday waved a photograph of a young man they named as Noki M Mgcineni. They said Mgcineni was shot in the foot on August 16 and was taken to the Andrew Saffy hospital, which is owned by Lonmin.

"Police then went to the hospital and dragged him away. They beat him up and they killed him. We found him in the mortuary," Xolani Mzuzu, a striking miner, told The Associated Press.

He said several people were waving the same photo. "We consider him a hero, like Chris Hani," said Mzuzu.

The case of Mgcineni adds to allegations that police shot and killed peaceful miners.

'There will be more blood'

Hundreds of striking Lonmin miners, supported by ululating women, gathered on Wednesday near the spot where the deadly police shooting took place.

The striking miners then marched to the nearby Karee mine, which is also owned by Lonmin, and demanded that all workers join the strike for higher wages or face violence and even death.

The striking mineworkers gave working colleagues a deadline of 13:00 to leave Karee mine or get killed.

"After 13:00 we don't want to see anybody in the shaft. Those who come to work tomorrow we will kill them," said one striker who refused to give his name. Another man shouted, "There will be more blood if we do not get R12 500."

The strikers said all they want is a monthly minimum wage of R12 500.

A delegation of seven young strikers was allowed to meet with mine managers. They were led past the phalanx of six police armoured cars and a water cannon truck to the barbed wire gate of Karee mine. Behind the barbed wire the Karee mine's two mine managers, flanked by an armed security guard, spoke to the delegation of strikers.

The line of police armoured personnel carriers stood between the green-roofed Karee mine complex and the throng of singing, dancing strikers and their supporters.

Strike could cost jobs

Police helicopters hovered overhead. March organisers got people to sit down peacefully. Some waved tree branches. People in the front of the solid line of strikers held logs to keep people from surging forward. Armed police in riot gear with helmets and visors looked on.

The manager of the Karee mine shaft, Jan Thirion, said: "The delegation from the strikers told me that if I didn't get all the workers out of the shaft by 13:00 they would burn down the shaft." Workers left the mine and walked to the nearby mountain, where the protests started.

The hundreds of marchers had been joined along the march routes by hundreds more people.

The miners said they went to Karee mine to stop people from working. As they walked, the strikers were dancing, stamping their feet and kicking up dust. Unlike previous protests, the miners carried only sticks and were not armed with spears and machetes that they had brandished in previous protests.

The London-registered Lonmin mine has warned that the strike that began on August 10 could cost 40 000 jobs if it continues. The mine remains shut down with fewer than 5% of miners turning up for work.

Two Methodist ministers went to the demonstration on Wednesday to try to avert violence. The Reverend Paul Verryn and Reverend Dan Twala negotiated with police to get permission for the delegation of strikers to go to the gates of Karee mine and to speak to the mine's managers.

"Our intervention helped a lot," said Twala. He said he felt their interventions could help avoid tragedies like the Marikana shootings. "I think in future if we could immediately act rather than wait for people to die."

"We as a church support these people and talk to these people," said Twala. "They need to take time for negotiations and people here should seek peaceful measures."

Comments
  • kala.bafazi - 2012-09-05 14:32

    Why don't they ever mention that the strike is illegal. If things carry on like this for much longer the mine will be forced into closing down. These criminals can then toi toi till their hearts content but will not be getting any wages at all nevermind an increase.

      John - 2012-09-05 14:40

      There is no such thing as an ILLEGAL strike! Read the CONSTITUTION.

      deon.louw.7505 - 2012-09-05 14:50

      Strikes can be legal, but not in this case John. A legal strike is called for by the unions and are protected by labour laws. They are also marching without getting approval from the municipality / local gov and police.

      John - 2012-09-05 14:52

      There is no such thing as an ILLEGAL strike! Read the CONSTITUTION, section 21 (2) (c), every WORKER has the RIGHT to STRIKE.

      kala.bafazi - 2012-09-05 14:53

      The constitution gives people the right to strike subject to certain criteria being followed by those wishing to strike. The necesaary permission to strike must be obtained from the relevant authorities. This was not done. Those on strike are not allowed to intimidate those who wish to go to work. Today's march was to specifically intimidate those at work. Whist on strike the strikers are expected to obey directions of law enforcement officers. Sky News showed them blatantly ingoring police's intructions to stop. The strike is ILLEGAL

      andre.vandeventer.16 - 2012-09-05 14:55

      John, if you don't know the law, rather keep quiet before you make a fool of yourself!

      John - 2012-09-05 14:56

      Nationalise the mine and give South Africans the benefit of THEIR resources!

      nicholas.graan - 2012-09-05 15:04

      Yes, the Constitution says workers have the right to strike but permission has to be granted first, otherwise it is illegal.

      kaykay.son.50 - 2012-09-05 15:05

      @Kala.bafazi It is that kind of mentality that make the mine owners and the government to exploit people. The thinking that is you think I am paying less, go home and stay and see if you will survive without the little I am paying you. Sorry bro. life does not go like that. You must come work in the mine and see what conditions people work at and then in addition to that, Do your own home work brother. Check how much and OUNCE of platinum cost, and then check how big an OUNCE is, then come back to tell me if people deserve what they are paid in those mines. Maybe for your information 1 ounce = 0.02835 kg = 28.35 g. Now my assumption is that you are well informed about the mass thing. Price of platinum per OUNCE ~= $1500 ~= R 12 575 I am hoping this will make sense to you!

      themba.mkhize.5494 - 2012-09-05 15:07

      This country is a democratic country as means of "Illegal strike" so this is not illegal

      kyle.venter.5 - 2012-09-05 15:13

      @ John, firstly, your reference is incorrect, S23 (2) (c) is the correct reference, and secondly, the Constitution does not provide unlimited rights and certaintly not an entiltement! Every worker does have the right to strike, yes, but this right is always and ALWAYS subject to limitations! and third, the strike is unprotected, in that the miners have not followed procedure and are as such not within the ambit of the Labour Relations Act.

      francois.leroux.779 - 2012-09-05 15:16

      This is a question of semantics: No strike can be ILLEGAL, as the constitution allows for same. If a strike is not in accordance with prescribed procedures, then the strike can be UNPROTECTED, meaning that the strikers can be dismissed or at least disciplined for not using the prescribed processes. Fact remains, a strike cannot be ILLEGAL as there is no law that prohibits such action.

      eleanore.hill - 2012-09-05 15:19

      John, the constitution also has a limitation clause- S36.Not all rights are absolute and are subject to restrictions, eg the Right to Freedom.(This right can be taken away eg imprisonment or denial of bail) Other acts also come into play with the constitution. So you get illegal and legal strikes.

      John - 2012-09-05 15:21

      To carry on the arguement. If the strike is ILLEGAL then the police must charge and arrest each offender. Why is this not done? Think about it!

      mzwandile.sazona.3 - 2012-09-05 15:24

      John and Themba you have to read the constitution together with the Labour Relations Act, then you will know the difference between an illegal and a legal strike

      steven.hart.3760 - 2012-09-05 15:38

      They should close the mine and let them all sit at home and go without

      John - 2012-09-05 15:42

      I am happy that so much attention is being paid to our constitution which was the purpose of my comment. No laws which LIMIT our rights is a valid law. Laws are supposed to be made to strengthen our RIGHTS which is my point. The strike is not ILLEGAL it is UNPROTECTED. I do NOT support ANY criminal behaviour which infringes on the RIGHT to LIFE or RIGHT to PROPERTY of any MAN or WOMAN.

      james.whyte.104 - 2012-09-05 15:55

      If striking was illegal then it becomes a criminal act. I have not seen that law on the statute books. Each person has a right to withhold his labour, if it is a protected strike he is protected from dismissal, the only consequence is the loss of pay. If it is an unprotected strike the worst consequence is dismissal. I have never heard of any one being arrested for striking (protected or unprotected) I wish that people woild educate themselves about the basics of labour law before spouting off.

      joe.spirit - 2012-09-05 16:25

      A strike can only be "unprotected" not illegal!! And dear kalabafazi, the people just want to live comfortably and probably own a phone that will allow them to write stupid comments like yours! And don't you EVER insult toi toing bcos that's how ppl express themselves when aggrieved!

      kala.bafazi - 2012-09-05 16:28

      KayKay - How much does it cost to extract that ounce of platinum? If an ounce of platinum sells for $1 500.00 (example) and costs $1450.00 to produce then there is not much margin for profits. If there are no profits there are no investors, if there are no investors there is no mine.

      james.whyte.104 - 2012-09-05 16:39

      @helio So how do you read the law. Instead of attacking the writer and calling him names, attack the argument. Or is it a case of you not having the intellectual ability to do so.

      kala.bafazi - 2012-09-05 16:48

      @joesmouth - I have no problem with people toi toing. The problem is the accompanying destruction of property, intimidation and threats. If people want to live comfortably and buy a phone, as you put it, the try working harder. It worked for me. At every oppertunity I try increase my responsability in the Company and increase my productivity. End result: I get an increase every year and an annual bonus. I have what I have because I work my butt off.

      kaykay.son.50 - 2012-09-05 19:01

      Kala.bafazi It is obvious tome that you have no idea how big 28g is. Can you please try get that right first and come to tell me what you are saying now. It look to me as well that you are not aware that not only platinum is extracted from the ore but there the so called biproducts which can be anything from Gold, Iron, Crome etc. The mines sell those to the lisensed minors of those products and make more profit again. None of that is counted here. If you can know how big 28g of platinum is and also try to make sense on the following facts: 1. Lonmin's chief executive Ian Farmer collected pay and bonuses of £1.2m last year." 2. Lonmin is a bit player although it still managed to make £192m last year Note that the profit above is in British pounds not rands and I am sure you know the exchange rate. To make things easy for you, £1.2m = R15 600 000 and £192m = R2 496 000 000.

      bill.smit.7 - 2012-09-05 21:12

      In a revolution the participants don't give a damm what the law is.See the "Arab Spring" as example. This is the start of a revolution and we have no idea how it may end.

      husaberg.twostroke - 2012-09-05 23:28

      How is it even legal for these loosers to run around with deadly weapons????No other country will tolerate this barbaric backwards behaviour.

      Doep100 - 2012-09-06 07:07

      @John: I would recon that a strike involving deadly weapons, life threats and murder is an illegal strike.

      neil.goodwin.921 - 2012-09-06 12:49

      Close the mine? I don't think so. The world desperately needs these minerals. I think the strikers have an excellent upper-hand and they should continue to spread the discontent amongst the mining community and to build solidarity. They have nothing to lose. Oh yeah, i forgot, a crippling lethal job for which they get barely survival wages!! They could lose that I suppose.

      cliff.slabbert - 2012-09-06 13:16

      kaykay.son.50, You would not last 5 minutes in business.Does the word OVERHEADS/COST OF PRODUCTION etc... mean anything to you?

      sibu.malusi - 2012-09-06 14:59

      @kaykay.son.50 I suggest you go and do your homework bro. The ounces they are referring to are troy ounces and that equals almost 32g. The price of platinum is roughly correct as you state it, but you fail to mention the price of extraction. Since extraction is very complex (both chemical and mechanical extraction is necessary) and platinum is found in a range of minerals (tellurides, sulphides, arsenides, alloys. etc.), these mines are fast becoming marginal. The notion that the miners are getting peanuts, while the fat cats get huge amounts of money is plainly WRONG. These strikers are misinformed and uneducated, and so are you.

      thando.bezana - 2012-09-07 17:11

      it pains me to see that there are people like you Kala. People who regard life as nothing because of the riches of the british. Life is very important either its taken legally or illegally. People died because they wanted what they derseved, either they wanted it legally or illegally. We have been expoited a lot in this country, who died when they took our riches by force? Who gave these British the right to our land as well as our riches that are not benefiting us in any way? People should die because they are asking a very small share on their own riches? KALA, you have to burn in hell for applauding the police on this kind of event.

  • johan.jacobs.5680 - 2012-09-05 14:32

    It's a f@ck&n blatant lie.

      koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2012-09-05 14:57

      Yes it is.

      junebugg.kinte - 2012-09-05 15:38

      And you guys know this because...................

      kala.bafazi - 2012-09-05 16:52

      Junebugg - If the police went to the hospital and dragged Mgcineni from the hospital and shot him, don't you think someone from the hospital would have said something?

  • smalefane - 2012-09-05 14:32

    These miners are lying. Malema is poisoning their minds.

      lorain.maseko - 2012-09-05 14:42

      I think it's the muthi they took for "protection"that's poisining their minds.

      husaberg.twostroke - 2012-09-05 18:19

      MALEMA NEEDS TO BE SHOT DEAD.

  • murray.tocker.7 - 2012-09-05 14:33

    Violence begets violence. Both sides are wrong.

  • richard.lemmer1 - 2012-09-05 14:39

    Get a life !!!! Laat hulle &$@?! of . Daar is baie mense wat graag hulle "karige" loon wil verdien !!!!

  • ken.grimblegrumble - 2012-09-05 14:43

    Checking the latest share price for today 14h40 Lonmin has lost another R755 million since yesterday. At 3000 miners that works out to R251 000 value per miner lost, just for today.

      JohhnyBGood - 2012-09-05 14:59

      @Gift, I see the name you got has nothing to do with brainpower, ne ?

      neill.mackenzie.3 - 2012-09-05 15:06

      @Gift, your 'liberator' is being arrested soon enough, what wannabe dictator you going to follow then??

      buzz.bar.16 - 2012-09-05 15:17

      Wow Gift, you certainly don't have one for intelligence do you?

  • jaco.nel.5030 - 2012-09-05 14:43

    We all know what happened to the boy who cried wolf. (including people who play the race card at every opportunity they get) No one takes you lot seriously anymore.

  • lostand.damnedskeptic - 2012-09-05 14:43

    wow, the comments generated from this article actually make me sad to be human. are we just a bunch of savages? tsk tsk...

  • dewalds3 - 2012-09-05 14:45

    99 Decision Street. 99 ministers meet. To worry, worry, super-scurry. Call the troops out in a hurry. This is what we've waited for. This is it boys, this is war. The president is on the line As 99 red balloons go by

  • stampalex - 2012-09-05 14:45

    And because they say it, it's a fact? I would bet a significant amount of the Sangoma's money (the one who gave them all that nice muti)that they are talking cr%p. That the miners were looking for a fight - fact (Why drink the muti then?) That they charged the police - fact. THat they fired first - fact (Video evidence) That they realised they were not in fact invisible or bullet proof and turned their backs on the police - Fact (No wonder some got shot in the back). That some of them must have limped off to die - Most likely... It was a serious barrage of gunfire. Tha the Police did what they had to do - In my opinion, yes. Respect

  • neill.mackenzie.3 - 2012-09-05 14:51

    @James, are you blind?? Just look at the photo up there. Protester swinging around a panga. And if you say that is not a weapon, tell the 2 police men that was hacked to death earlier that week. And have a look at the Al-jezeera footage, where you will clearly see a protester shooting at the police. This is not a racism thing, but it seems an intellectual thing, and you pulling on the short end brother...

      siphiwejim.mudau - 2012-09-05 15:13

      R u crzy? Why the police toke the boy from hospital and kill him? Now you mean that boy he was still fighting the bloody cops in the hospitaly or you difending the police? And if you are cop go back to school. I think we must teach the police how to shoot and where to shoot and advice them if they feel to pull trigger without reason they must go to the shooting range pay range fee to hit target than parson

      neill.mackenzie.3 - 2012-09-05 15:21

      @Siphi, you shouldn't believe everything you read on the interweb. I would beg of you to read this article again, and think about it LOGICALLY, but I have a feeling that any trace of logical thought is out of scope for you.

      james.whyte.104 - 2012-09-05 15:39

      @308 Have you read the Star today? In england recently they had riots across the country. People armed with petrol bombs, rocks, poles etc. Did the english police use automatic weapons to subdue the rioters. I think not.

      neill.mackenzie.3 - 2012-09-05 16:05

      @james. Did the rioters hack up 2 police men? Nope. BUT, last year they did make that mistake. Riots broke out, and the rioters killed a couple of people and police men. After that, yes, then the England police used excessive force and automatic live ammo. Read up on your facts before you speak...

      james.whyte.104 - 2012-09-05 16:13

      The killing of the police took place 1 week before the police killed 34 miners. Seems to me like revenge. They could not find the killers of the police (through ineptitude or other)so they got their revenge this way. BTW how many protesters in england were killed or injured with live rounds. (sharp ammunition) Sources pleeeeeeaase

      james.whyte.104 - 2012-09-05 16:24

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14460554 I quote from the BBC report above. "DAC Kavanagh said the use of plastic bullets - never before fired to deal with riots in England - would be "considered carefully" in the event of further disorder." "It said while there was "no complacency," police tactics in London had "clearly worked. It followed three nights of rioting in the city which saw shops looted, property set alight and police attacked, with some 111 Met officers suffered injuries including serious head and eye wounds, cuts and fractured bones after being attacked by rioters wielding bottles, planks, bricks and even driving cars at them. Five police dogs have also been hurt."

      james.whyte.104 - 2012-09-05 16:27

      Please tell us all how many police were killed by the rioters. I am waiting with baited breath. I see you went to the old PUKKE. The consumer protection act allows you to get a refund from them, as clearly you have learnt nothing while you where there.

      james.whyte.104 - 2012-09-05 16:59

      waitiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggg

      neill.mackenzie.3 - 2012-09-06 08:33

      @ James, I see now that I had the story of England wrong. Police killed a man, and then the riots. I guess I missed that class while studying. But to get back to my point. If you are a police man, and someone shoots at you, are you going to yell at him to stop. Are you going to hide and hope it all washes over, or are you going to use the weapon you were trained to use, and use it. Do you think these men where running away from the police, no. The police stood still, and the miners was running towards them, swinging weapons, and shooting at them. And another thing you must remember, these miners(you call victims), killed 8 of there own. That's barbaric behavior.

      james.whyte.104 - 2012-09-06 15:02

      You were wrong on your facts and wrong on your outlook. Goodbye

  • Nhlanhla Zondi - 2012-09-05 14:51

    Truth must be told, seeing from the video on the news you'll agree that the people shoot by the police are lesser than total number of people killed so it raises the question as to where were the others killed and why?

      brendon.nel.7 - 2012-09-05 15:00

      No I wouldn't agree. Just cause of the fact that the camera can only capture what its pointed at. And bullets that missed those in the view of the camera would only stop once they hit something else so ud have to agree that its entirely possible that just cause u couldn't see them being hit doesn't mean that they weren't hit.

      John - 2012-09-05 15:07

      GOOD for you. Keep questioning! We are being LIED to and manipulated!

      John - 2012-09-05 15:10

      12 people were shot dead in view of the CAMERAS. The rest 300 metres away and out of sight!

      dee.980 - 2012-09-05 16:31

      Nhlanhala - Good question. I find The Daily Maverick a good source of independent journalism. You may want to read this independent investigative piece of journalism : http://dailymaverick.co.za/article/2012-08-30-the-murder-fields-of-marikana-the-cold-murder-fields-of-marikana Warning - it is beyond shocking.

      terry.brauckmann - 2012-09-06 16:08

      Zondi.. I agree. I watched cart blanch on sunday, and some very worying statements were made by an investigating reporter.

  • brendon.nel.7 - 2012-09-05 14:56

    Of course they did. Funny that it took them a couple of weeks to remember. Just like they were executing injured minors on the day. Wonder why they never said anything then and there. Typical attention switch tactic.

      dee.980 - 2012-09-05 16:33

      No. It took time to get into mainstream media reports. Independent investigative journalists were giving news of police murder very shortly after the massacre. Broaden your source of news. e.g. The Daily Maverick.

  • andre.vandeventer.16 - 2012-09-05 14:57

    This whole thing is a political set-up. These miners earn more than most people in the country!

  • flynn.govender - 2012-09-05 14:58

    What if the mines close their doors tomorrow? How will all these people survive?

  • andre.vandeventer.16 - 2012-09-05 14:58

    The authorities should make the the waving of dangerous weapons illegal!

      terry.brauckmann - 2012-09-06 16:14

      It is illegal! there are laws spesifically preventing the carrying of dangerous weapons . The problem is that the goverment does not have the balls to enforce their own laws!

  • arno.botha.71 - 2012-09-05 15:00

    does news 24 know that 10 people were killed aside from the 34 strikers, including security guards and two policemen!? or do these people not matter? they are obviously trying to write the news in such a way that it appears to be a violent attack on "innocent" strikers as opposed to what it really was: police intervention in a situation that has been escalated to murder by illegal protesting (and yes, this type of protest is illegal)

  • paul.mahlangu.94 - 2012-09-05 15:00

    I don't see why people should argue about whether the strike was legal or illegal.People died in that strike,thats the fact.If you had a family member dead from that so called illegal strike,You wouldn't be writing all this nonsense.What happened to ubuntu?

      james.whyte.104 - 2012-09-05 16:44

      @zukile You are so right. Colour of one's skin has nothing to do with this story. 34 people were killed by police. It is a tragedy. It was brutal and uncalled for.

      John - 2012-09-05 17:20

      I am am only making a point about the dramatising of the word illegal strike. Whatever criminal actions undertaken by BOTH sides must be prosecuted in a court of law, not in the media. No man or woman has the RIGHT to infringe anyone's RIGHT to LIFE or RIGHT to PROPERTY. These are the true crimes that no one should tolerate from any POLICE or civilian!

      Cherri - 2012-09-06 13:11

      I'm sure the families of the 10 victims that were killed by these thugs would like to know what happened to ubuntu as well!

  • abram.spamers - 2012-09-05 15:02

    @John - So say we take the mines without compensation... who will we sell the gold to..? The people we stole the mines from?

      John - 2012-09-05 17:11

      How can WE steal a mine. Have you ever looked into how the mining RIGHTS were aquired by the corporations that now OWN them. I do NOT advocate the infringements of the RIGHT to PROPERTY of any MAN or WOMAN on our planet. Pay the INVESTORS and let OUR people work the mines and keep the resources for OUR people's use. I feel that WE have been mislead in OUR need of INVESTORS. I do not support MALEMA if that is what is upsetting you. I want ALL our country's resources to be returned to the South Africans.

  • gerrit.volschenk - 2012-09-05 15:04

    Unions the biggest evil in any democracy.

      siphiwejim.mudau - 2012-09-05 15:23

      Jah you ryte they r crew

  • jaysonpaul.beckwith - 2012-09-05 15:04

    So we can all assume that these guys have the necessary evidence to back these alligations. I have however got cell phone evidence, of me and Papa Smurf drinking a few pints at the Dros last weekend,,,,oh wait I deleted them,,,shoot.

  • cyril.laubscher - 2012-09-05 15:06

    Amazing how no one caught this on video or did the SAPS cover it up? Imagine the day when you can drag a person out of a hospital and kill them. Who told the miners this? i dont know if they think we believe such nonsnese or actually believe it themselves.

      xoli.themba - 2012-09-05 15:15

      don,t believe,bt we believe

      siphiwejim.mudau - 2012-09-05 15:21

      You mean the miner they don't know what they say? Don't even defend the police that's why i called them crew

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-09-05 15:22

      Yes Themba and you also believe in a Sangoma and a bunny!

      hout.kop.5 - 2012-09-05 15:58

      lol, they should just watch the CCTV footage..... oh wait, that wasn't installed cause the Gov used the money for faster cars and bigger houses.

      mary.ball.925 - 2012-09-06 14:33

      Course you believe Xoli, becasue people with your mind set are always looking for a way to be victims. There's always a conspiracy...

  • ndou.miranda - 2012-09-05 15:08

    Hawu, this sounds like a children's story.LOl

      connie.mlonyeni - 2012-09-05 16:21

      exactly; from a small thinking capacity of a miner! i dont even know why news 24 bothered to publish this stupid story..

  • kaykay.son.50 - 2012-09-05 15:09

    For your information 1 ounce = 0.02835 kg = 28.35 g. Price of platinum per OUNCE ~= $1 500 ~= R 12 575 If one understand how big an ounce is as I put it above and the dollar exchange rate and try to make sense out of the minors strike, then one will also understand how much money the mine owners made in the past years... one will also understand that the 4 weeks no work at the mine can only make the owners more richer as they will increase the price of platinum soon as it will become scares!

      Genesistt - 2012-09-05 15:24

      The mine owners aren't making R12 575 per ounce of platinum. They're making R12575 per ounce less electricity and water, maintenance to equipment, new equipment, diesel to keep generators running, diesel and petrol to keep vehicles running, salaries and wages, etc. It costs money to run a business. Now how much money are the mine owners making?

      eric.shinn.90 - 2012-09-05 15:36

      Who gives a stuff how much they are making. Go and start your own mine and become rich too. Are you able to do that? Didn't think so....

      vuyani.frans - 2012-09-05 15:41

      @Genesistt these mines are making Billions of rands actualy the studie shows that it makes Trillions of Rands and this mine can afford R12 500 a Month how much does the Management earn per month please guys let us be reasonable in this issue. When those 34 died in the past weeks the mine offer 2 milion for burial of those who died and you Genesistt you are asking where the mine will get the money and my question 2 you were did they get 2 million 4 help of those who died or the mine put that money aside. Because of they new that that tragedy will take place or they new people were going 2 die?

      brendon.nel.7 - 2012-09-05 16:03

      Zukile, zukile. Even if they wanted to pay for a decent education (which they won't cause they want everything for free) how could they get an education from a uneducated education system that can't even provide saftey for it pupils of text books?

      graham.horn.505 - 2012-09-05 16:47

      Precious metals are measured in troy ounces. 1 troy ounce = 31.103 grams, not 28,35. Do you have any idea how much rock has to be removed to get one ounce of platinum? Go and research that and see how little they actually make for their efforts. Massive investments (many billions of rands) go into building the mine infrastructure before a SINGLE ounce of platinum is gained. Who do you think pays for that and for the workers that put that infrastructure in place? Infrastructure includes sinking the shaft, horizontal shafts, electricity, headgear, hoists, machinery, vehicles, crushers, extraction plants and much much more. You can't just look at the value of the end product. The platinum doesn't just appear out of the ground you know.

      kaykay.son.50 - 2012-09-05 19:04

      1. Lonmin's chief executive Ian Farmer collected pay and bonuses of £1.2m last year." 2. Lonmin managed to make £192m last year Note that the profit above is in British pounds not rands and I am sure you know the exchange rate. To make things easy for you, £1.2m = R15 600 000 and £192m = R2 496 000 000.

      kaykay.son.50 - 2012-09-05 19:10

      I am also sure that you all who think I smoke my socks after working deep in the mine will understand that there are biproducts from the rocks you are talking about which are sold at a profit as well. whether minerals are measured in troy ounces or not the fact that an ounce is very little and miners do not know about it remains. (at least I know) and know how much profit is made from the biproducts as well. We know this as some of the privileged and educated. make no mistake none of the educated is underpaid I need to make that very clear to you all. PS a profit means all expenses has been paid for and what is reported is NET!

      eric.shinn.90 - 2012-09-06 08:47

      Exactly!! PEANUTS. Take your blinkers off and grow your OWN company. You simply have no idea. We ran the same exercise one year and let a big mouth try run the place. He later in the day said yes Boss, I understand now Boss. You still think a million RAND is a lot of money? Fooitog

      eric.shinn.90 - 2012-09-06 08:49

      and as a result the mine owner can make millions a year for many years before even making one cent back! GET IT? GOT IT?? GOOOD!!!

      Joubs1957 - 2012-09-06 12:38

      Scares me too - scary stuff is getting very scarce lately - lol

  • george.pito - 2012-09-05 15:09

    It came to my mind all those weapons they are waving what has it been used for before the strike

      Jane - 2012-09-05 15:20

      my thoughts exactly, do they all just happen to have pangas and spears lying around their houses, and what the hell do they do with it when they not using it at protests?

  • mcarinhas - 2012-09-05 15:14

    Only in Africa!

  • Eterni80 - 2012-09-05 15:16

    where is the new police lady while all this has been happening ?? if they don't contain this, and silence that f'ing brain dead retarded village idiot Julius Enema - the situation will quickly spin out of control and then God help us. the ANC's ruling from a distance and the Unions desperate attempt to cling to their dwindling income streams will tear SA in half.

  • Genesistt - 2012-09-05 15:16

    Just close the mine. Let the foreign investors take their money elsewhere. This is a bad investment. If they get what they want, there will be no end to this madness. It has to stop somewhere! Someone has to say no to this terrorism. Because that's what this is. Terrorism.

      mary.ball.925 - 2012-09-06 14:37

      Dead right Genesistt. "After 13:00 we don't want to see anybody in the shaft. Those who come to work tomorrow we will kill them," said one striker who refused to give his name. Another man shouted, "There will be more blood if we do not get R12 500." Seriously?! Arrest that man, arrest them all and then get them to contribute back to the country for free. They obviously do not deserve to be with general society!

  • philip.vde - 2012-09-05 15:23

    Close the mine down and then you will see them all on the hill crying " i'm hungry " .....

  • mohalelesego - 2012-09-05 15:23

    asijiki

      collen.vinjwa - 2012-09-05 15:36

      I wish u hd tat mentality going to school!

  • mohalelesego - 2012-09-05 15:25

    this is getting out of hand. the mine needs to resolve the problems soonest with the employee's.

      koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2012-09-05 15:31

      The bunny was innocent to and look what they did to him ... for “fun”.

      hout.kop.5 - 2012-09-05 15:49

      They should just fire them all and employ people that want to work!

  • draad.trekker.1 - 2012-09-05 15:26

    Striking for higher wages without producing an equal amount of extra goods and services is a direct cause of inflation. This means, you can strike for higher wages today but you'll be striking again within 6 months. Therefore this business of striking is exactly the same as shooting yourself in the head!!!

  • moi.carla.1980 - 2012-09-05 15:27

    "The striking miners then marched to the nearby Karee mine, which is also owned by Lonmin, and demanded that all workers join the strike for higher wages or face violence and even death." And then they expect you to believe the stories that they are now spewing to the media. They threaten their own collegues with death, which, seeing as they have already murdered 6 of their own for not wanting to join in the strike, we know they will follow through on their threats. Disgusting.

  • Eliya Tembe - 2012-09-05 15:29

    South African Police has turned into some kind of monsters cos now it's hard for us as a community to rely on them the way they react to the protesters,justice must play part on this one.

      koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2012-09-05 15:33

      Do you and your community also shoot at the police when you feel aggrieved?

  • jamie.hilsdon - 2012-09-05 15:29

    so these people threaten violence and even death, but the police cannot do anything because they are scared to enforce the law and protect themselves, after the politicians stuck their noses in. I feel for the police they are under-payed to have to deal with this nonsense. The politicians need to grow a back bone and bring this country out of the middle ages.

      mary.ball.925 - 2012-09-06 14:41

      Bheki Cele - 'The police should be allowed to open fire without fear of what happens after that' Good man! The police have my respect for facing barbaric situations like this in SA FAR too often.

  • mohalelesego - 2012-09-05 15:30

    if botswana and zim as an (eg) are able to run their mines, wat wud be wrong with that for SA????????.....

      simon.mwando - 2012-09-05 15:32

      And in zim they get less than R3000!

      koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2012-09-05 15:42

      Here they killed 34 miners in Zim there would have been no survivors. That is actually true of a lot of African countries.

  • osmaseko - 2012-09-05 15:32

    Politics is a game of opportunities. Politicians look for opportunities all the time and take full advantages of these opportunities. To blame malema of political opportunism is therefore naive and unfounded.

  • hout.kop.5 - 2012-09-05 15:32

    What is everyone going on about? There are over 50 murders a day in South Africa. People should be concerned with that figure more than the 34 thugs that were shot. These people should stop breeding like fly's so that they can support their families on the salaries that they deserve.

      james.whyte.104 - 2012-09-05 16:50

      Who are these people? What are you insinuating. Careful now, your rascist nature is showing

      mary.ball.925 - 2012-09-06 14:43

      Ja Hout, easy there. "These people should stop breeding like fly's so that they can support their families on the salaries that they deserve." That is very easy to misconstrue.

  • mohalelesego - 2012-09-05 15:35

    And uncle Bob once said " we wish no harm to anyone, we are not english, we are not europians so let no one interfare in the processes. Themba aluta continuia comrade.

  • lee.theron.9 - 2012-09-05 15:35

    Reading this article makes me think these people are now making up stories against the police. What right have they got to threatern other peoples lives? That is criminal on its own.

      james.whyte.104 - 2012-09-05 16:52

      Reading this article makes me think "these people" have a right to ask what happened to their colleague. What right did the police have to shoot and kill people. That is criminal on its own.

  • Michael - 2012-09-05 15:41

    They believed Sangoma's muti, i dont blame this people, They are Zombies, that sangoma took away their common sense, now they even know how to tell lies, i am sure they have been told that all lies will turn into truth...idiots!

  • Dawn Campbell Gibson - 2012-09-05 15:41

    Those strikers should be arrested now for threatening the working miners. I am sure if I walked into a business and threatened the staff, I would be arrested.

  • dudley.futcher - 2012-09-05 15:41

    Lonmin close the mine and run out of this country then let the guys like Julius fight and proberly get the mine with fraudulent tenders then let them destroy it like Zuma son then no problem 40000 out of a job then come back and rebuild

  • oliver.nathan.73 - 2012-09-05 15:41

    Sorry Themba, i guess you will have to celebrate Pie face malema's revolution from his own jail cell. anybody with half a brain is praying for this total ingrate to be locked up for fraud and tax evasion...not likely, but we can always live in hope right?

  • richard.turner.7792052 - 2012-09-05 15:43

    s mentioned before, close it down and then say no jobs......fire with fire. Sienner van Rensberg..........

      elijahlulu.phiri - 2012-09-05 16:08

      I am sick about da people,hu were killed for salary negotiations at marikana,day also shot our soldiers with raba bulets 2009,day ar babaric our policemen.

  • Greypatriot - 2012-09-05 15:44

    I am saddened by what is happening at the mines. I am also saddened by the callousness of the comments in this blog. Don't my fellow South Africans realize that we are at the tipping point of revolution. When the declining financial markets and slowing economies ultimately resonate in our economy millions of people will lose their jobs. And then? Workers cannot afford to be reckless now, but neither can the management of mines. Where is the love? Learn about HO 'O PO NO PO NO. (Hawain Healing Process - All change starts with the individual - everyone must say "I am sorry, Please forgive me, I love You, Thank You!) - This will resonate with all those involved and the crisis will be resolved.

      elijahlulu.phiri - 2012-09-05 16:11

      Babaric actions of ur police force is flowing,we mast stop dam.

      mary.ball.925 - 2012-09-06 14:48

      elijahlulu.phiri - "your police force" Are you not South African then? Amazing how you twist the police/government ownership when it suits.

  • william.bromehead - 2012-09-05 15:44

    violence begats violence

  • daniel.motlhatlhedi - 2012-09-05 15:51

    m going to open a case against julius malema.

  • jacqueline.benjamin.52 - 2012-09-05 15:52

    Only a very very dumb person will believe this BS.

  • zunaid.khan.77 - 2012-09-05 15:53

    dont u just love this country now the black police men are racist cos they shot the black people ? lol or was it just the white cops that pulled the trigger !!! u know what who cares SAPS done 1 good job !!!!! themba you and julius was in same grade & got the same grades

      james.whyte.104 - 2012-09-05 16:06

      Most of the reponses on this forum are blatantly rascist or have rascist undertones. The fact remains that 34 people where killed by an undisciplined force who are now refusing to take reponsibility.

      customdesign - 2012-09-05 16:56

      James, these miners are threatening to murder again. If more of them were shot then maybe we wouldn't be sitting with this issue. These miners are unreasonable and are crippling our economy. I worked for years for less than what they are currently earning, they are greedy and inconsiderate. They are to blame for this, not the police. At the funerals they were singing "what did we do to deserve to die?" and today they come back threatening to murder people who want to earn a living. They should not be allowed to get away with this.

      james.whyte.104 - 2012-09-05 17:02

      And your reasons for them "to deserve to die" are?

      customdesign - 2012-09-05 17:04

      If someone threatens your family with murder, and maybe even hacks one of them to death with a panga, do you think they deserve to live?