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Poverty led to miners' deaths - ANC

2012-08-21 14:43

Johannesburg - Inequality and poverty was to blame for the death of 34 people at the Lonmin mine in Marikana, the ANC in Limpopo said on Tuesday.

"The inequality gaps and extreme levels of poverty leading to the kind of socio-economic desperation experienced by large portions of our population on a daily basis is the underlying reason," provincial spokesperson Makonde Mathivha said in a statement.

"Clear, unambiguous steps need to be taken by leaders, both in government and the private sector, to vigorously pursue economic transformation at an unparalleled pace if a repeat of this kind of senseless massacre is to be avoided."

On Thursday, police opened fire on protesters, leaving 34 dead and 78 injured.

Mathivha said socio-economic problems will never be resolved through heavily armed police.

"We join loved ones and dependants of the deceased in saluting their lives to the struggle to realise economic emancipation for hardworking, impoverished communities in South Africa," he said.

Comments
  • michael.vanrheenen.9 - 2012-08-21 14:57

    Economic transformation? Do you mean land grabs again? The ANC only has the whites' property on their brain and still lives in the illusion that everything will be a-okay once they have the white mans land! I wondered how long it would have been before the whites were to blame for this!!!

      nrgx.nrg - 2012-08-21 15:18

      I think it was the bullets that led to the miners death, greed led to the unions strike, unions led the miners like sheep to slaughter. IT IS ULTIMATELY THE UNIONS AT FAULT - NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS (besides ignorance, lust for violence, propaganda, entitlement mentality)

      nrgx.nrg - 2012-08-21 15:18

      I think it was the bullets that led to the miners death, greed led to the unions strike, unions led the miners like sheep to slaughter. IT IS ULTIMATELY THE UNIONS AT FAULT - NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS (besides ignorance, lust for violence, propaganda, entitlement mentality)

      Desilusionada - 2012-08-21 15:22

      Well it was only a matter of time before the blame game started. Blame: 1st Apartheid, 2nd Verwoed. Do not blame: Corruption Apathy Poor leadership Never think of: Life is supposed to be difficult The poor will always be there Laws will not make people equal (in any matter) Education NOT Transformation

      Desilusionada - 2012-08-21 15:22

      Well it was only a matter of time before the blame game started. Blame: 1st Apartheid, 2nd Verwoed. Do not blame: Corruption Apathy Poor leadership Never think of: Life is supposed to be difficult The poor will always be there Laws will not make people equal (in any matter) Education NOT Transformation

      michael.vanrheenen.9 - 2012-08-21 15:37

      So true Delusionada... I don't understand why they can't just start somewhere and start educating the masses? Uplift your people FFS!!! The whites did not get what they have by hand-outs! We worked for it! Start small and build more schools... Start educational programs for the older non-educated. Lets them get their matric and maybe they will stand a better chance in getting a proper job. Stop flying around the world and wasting millions of hard earned tax money and use it to uplift the people!!! AND MOST OF ALL!!! STOP BLAMING THE WHITE MAN FOR YOUR FAULTS!!!! Nearly 20 years have been over enough to get back on track!

      michael.vanrheenen.9 - 2012-08-21 16:14

      @ mduduzi.nkosi.311 - LOL! I hope you were being sarcastic!

      mduduzi.nkosi.311 - 2012-08-21 16:19

      @Michael - seen it too often so i suppose its the order of doing things...lol. arrgh just being sarcastic but you know thats how we roll.

      duncan.roderick - 2012-08-21 16:27

      @mduduzi.nkosi.311 - well at least you can see it :)

      christof.coetzee - 2012-08-21 16:50

      HIRE SOME WHITE MAIDS AND GARDEN BOYS HERE: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/07/poverty_within_white_south_afr.html

      art5SA - 2012-08-22 06:53

      STRONG WORDS coming from ZIMPOPO!

  • Cayowin_van_der_Badt - 2012-08-21 14:58

    So poverty, not the fact that the strikers shot at police first is to blame for the strikers being shot by police. Awesome. Now my ANC person who is responsible for removal of poverty? Yes, the government, well done. Who is in charge of the government?

      kala.bafazi - 2012-08-21 15:21

      It was a traditional leader who promised his patients invincibility (after paying R1000) that lead to their deaths. The miners might have been a bit more hesitant in charging down a hillside, guns blazing straight into the guns of hundreds of police men without this promise of being invincible.

      kala.bafazi - 2012-08-21 15:21

      It was a traditional leader who promised his patients invincibility (after paying R1000) that lead to their deaths. The miners might have been a bit more hesitant in charging down a hillside, guns blazing straight into the guns of hundreds of police men without this promise of being invincible.

  • oageng.lekete.7 - 2012-08-21 15:02

    No ANC, you are getting it wrong again and again, the ANC is to blame for not ensuring that Poverty is dealt with accordingly. Didn't the victims vote you in power, for you to eradicate poverty as you claimed pre '94? and for you to ensure their safety and not to ensure their death?

      godfrey.welman - 2012-08-21 16:43

      And still the CancER is to scared to blame NUM for not negotiating a "living wage" in the past 18 years for these mines, makes you wonder.

  • Lacrimose - 2012-08-21 15:04

    Poverty of any kind of implementation plan for all the wondrous policies and procedures we have, yes. Poverty of ideas where even the govt can only look backward and have no idea how to go forward. Poverty of impulse control - if you don't want/like/understand something, kill it.

  • leon.puth - 2012-08-21 15:04

    half of sa population live on R500 per month, yet the marikana miners were complaining about R4000 per month (8 times above the poverty line). this argument thus doesnt make sense and is mere propaganda. if poverty weas the cause, one would expect the other half of the population to have been on that hill, instead, that half is striking about POOR SERVICE DELIVERY, and are mostly unarmed

      Nicolaas - 2012-08-21 16:28

      @Leon, nope you wrong, they were getting R 4000.00, facts shosw they they receive a salary of about r10500.00 per month. If they managed to make the target, they received bonuses up to R 6000.00 meaning if they walked the extra mile, they could earn R 16500.00 per month! Now you tell me, were they still living in poverty or is it just greed or plain laziness that made them demand an unrealistic wages. R 16500.00 per month for uneducated job and they still complain? FFS!

      art5SA - 2012-08-22 06:56

      PLUS FREE ACCOM....

  • sephtonn - 2012-08-21 15:04

    They paid R1000 for muti but they are poor??????

      art5SA - 2012-08-22 06:56

      They should INSIST on a REFUND! It DID NOT WORK!!!

  • barry.ahern.3 - 2012-08-21 15:05

    F%$K i get so angry at listening to the politicians and media blaming everybody else but the miners. They behaved like animals, adorned weapons and charged the police with intent to kill. NOBODY, NOT EVEN THE POOR have the right to do that. You live by the weapon, you die by the weapon. Nobody is to blame but the ill behaved miners.

      art5SA - 2012-08-22 06:58

      Don't turnup at a Gun Fight with a K*K attitude and a Panga! You WILL LOSE!!!!

  • Perfume5 - 2012-08-21 15:10

    Wrong wrong wrong cANCer, we just read an article about a sangoma and muti. It was not poverty that led to the deaths of these miners, but a concoction gone wrong by some lying sangoma, who told them not to look back, but to continue charging at the police. Stop blaming poverty, and put all the blame on the sangoma.

      Perfume5 - 2012-08-21 15:11

      Adding to my comment, these miners were not poor. They willingly paid a lying sangoma R1000 to make them invincible. No poor person would waste R1000 on some ridiculous concoction.

      Perfume5 - 2012-08-21 15:11

      Adding to my comment, these miners were not poor. They willingly paid a lying sangoma R1000 to make them invincible. No poor person would waste R1000 on some ridiculous concoction.

  • roets.nico - 2012-08-21 15:10

    The events at Marikana is a sad day in our history and the deaths of the miners deplorable, but I cannot help but feel a bit cynical over the aftermath of the events: Like with anything else in our society the blame game is being played. The miners weren’t killed because they were a mob of lawless thugs, killing policemen and destroying property, they were killed as a result of poverty and police brutality. Nobody is anymore prepared to take responsibility for the consequences of his actions. Break the law, blame someone else and if being held responsible, play the victim of circumstances.

  • andtowns - 2012-08-21 15:19

    Stop wasting and stealing you corrupt fools!!

  • irma.white.9 - 2012-08-21 15:20

    Poverty huh... am I wrong when I said these miners accommodation was paid for as they lived in hostels (and those who did live elsewhere got a higher salary to accommodate costs)? Well, after I pay my rent, electricity and insurance for my little home, I am left with LESS than R4000 to spend on groceries, travelling expenses, my debts, etc. As I have said in a previous comment, R12 500 is waaaaaaaay more than what I earn a month and I make do, as do THOUSANDS of other South Africans. My sister is currently earning R3500 a month! What are these men expecting? It's true- money is the route to all evil.

  • abrammothibedi.abram - 2012-08-21 15:21

    when is this regime going to declare 16 august, marikana day

      raymon.mcnelly - 2012-08-21 15:38

      Whoohoo !! You are right .. I see another public holiday coming !! Maybe they can call it 'Damduiker Dag'

      Nicolaas - 2012-08-21 16:31

      @Raymon, how about DOMMUTI DAG?

  • crystal.core.5 - 2012-08-21 15:23

    These are premeditated, armed hooligans demanding salaries of over to USD1,400 a month, about 100x more than the average person in Africa, China or India, these are people that brutally murdered their fellow workers with pangas because they did not want to participate, they intimidated their fellow workers in joining their violent action and destroyed property of their employers... Inequality is created by racist policies that drive employers out of the country, that squander tax payers hard earned monies for their personal gain, these ANC policies all lead to massive unemployment, poverty and hunger - a wage dispute over R12,5k salaries does not justify murder as the ANC seem to imply. What about the constitutional rights of the innocent people hacked to death by these hooligans, including policemen? Were they treated equitably? This article is ridiculous, pure ANC dribble!

  • raymon.mcnelly - 2012-08-21 15:23

    No, in fact... Poverty has nothing to do with it. If you need to place blame (other than on the idiots themselves) then look no further than the ANC ... Yes, surprise .. the ANC !! Was it not the ANC that, back in the day, fought to allow 'traditional' weapons at matches/rallies/strikes ?? Mmmm... if memory serves, the bad old 'apartheid regime' wanted to ban any/all types of weapons at marches/rallies/strikes for the reasons none other than to prevent this type of thing happening, but Nooooo the infinitely smart ANC fought to allow weapons ... and now... you b!tch and moan because you got your a$$es handed to you !! Serves you right you morons ! Viva Bloedrivier !! Viva !!

      Sipho Radebe - 2012-08-21 15:34

      i cant believe how sick some of you are, 34 country men lost lives like dogs.

      raymon.mcnelly - 2012-08-21 15:40

      Yea Sipho sick indeed ... haha ... Just as sick as burning two people alive in their car ... or hacking them to pieces ...

      Perfume5 - 2012-08-21 15:47

      @Sipho that would not of happened, they believe a lie that they would be invincible. Would you have said the same thing if the miners shot 34 policemen/women like dogs????? Looking at video footage shows that these miners meant business that day. It was not poverty that led to their deaths but the lie of some sangoma, who is sitting stinking rich today. I put full blame on the sangoma. Prior to the killings the miners had already brutally killed people. I hope you were not expecting the police to stand back and try negotiating with the miners.

      mduduzi.nkosi.311 - 2012-08-21 16:00

      I agree, they did, but only because of their stupidity.

  • mohlala.moroamadile - 2012-08-21 15:23

    No no no ... rubbish Makonde. The inability to comprehend one’s conduct; lack of insight to know that for every action there is a reaction; complete absence of leadership(in lonmin, unions, saps, sa intelligence, presidency); lack of common sense at an adult age; continuous intellectual slavery perpetuated by self-seeking practitioners of false [dark ages acts] who will do anything for a quick buck; an intense lack of clarity clouded by anger and injustice; and lastly the lack of humanity & the absolute lack of respect for life. Marikana saga could have been [voided and nullified] if in the midst of all that madness, an african child took a moment to breath and rationalize one’s actions, unfortunately something had to give and it ended in a way no one could have imagined – terrible state of masses lives. I must say every time I put my head around this saga, I completely fail to understand how could something like this happen with all the intelligence available at our disposal that could have provided evident planning to stop such a mishap. But then what do I know? Maybe I’m naive in seeing things differently, maybe I’m the foolish one, maybe the only way in life is to equip yourself and fight instead of arguing issues and presenting facts to win matters. This whole picture stinks and one thing I’m sure about is that there is clearly something very wrong with an African child. – Mohlala Inc.

      Perfume5 - 2012-08-21 15:29

      Well said!!!!!!

      Perfume5 - 2012-08-21 15:29

      Well said!!!!!!

  • raymon.mcnelly - 2012-08-21 15:35

    Now the rest of you numbnuts... learn something today ans say after me (and repeat it at least 10 times) ... 'DUCK and COVER' ... come one people ... say it .. 'DUCK and COVER'..

  • raymon.mcnelly - 2012-08-21 15:52

    Next year we can have this day off ... viva 'Damduiker Dag'! Viva !!

  • Tshepo Mongale - 2012-08-21 15:54

    you ppl are so obsessed with race. Stupid

      crystal.core.5 - 2012-08-21 16:18

      You are absolutely right Tshepo ...if you read the article: "Clear, unambiguous steps need to be taken by leaders, both in government and the private sector, to vigorously pursue economic transformation at an unparalleled pace if a repeat of this kind of senseless massacre is to be avoided." ..."We join loved ones and dependants of the deceased in saluting their lives to the struggle to realise economic emancipation for hardworking, impoverished communities in South Africa" These ANC guys try turn everything that happens in the name of greed and hooliganism into a "race struggle". Even threaten the SA public that it will happen again if we don't "transform" (take stuff away from white people instead of all participate in a growing economy...) I wonder if the ANC will salute the poor victims and their families of these murderous weapon wielding hooligans, including policemen and colleagues that didn't want to participate? It's almost unbelievable! The good SA people are once again held captive to a bunch of thugs that run our government.

  • leviy - 2012-08-21 16:11

    anc should now stop making noise about poverty cos they really not doing anything bout it...firstly they must stop about this cadre deployment,how do we justified someone whos never been in a classroom earning millions of rands a month while we spent sleepless nights studying not to be employed.this country will never change until we stop being governed by criminals

  • zionpercival.pay - 2012-08-21 16:48

    I think this statement is the nadir of stupidity and ignorance. Give them money to live on but s4ee that they first work. sell the Mercs then buy the bread. this statement is despicable and belongs in the trash can where the ANC belong too. It is so easily to lean back against a merc or two and dictate to the dead and those only half alive. ANC you make me F**king sick.

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-08-21 19:38

    "Poverty led to miners' deaths - ANC" Here I agree with the ANC. They are the primary architects of poverty and inequality, so they should know. The question is, is the ANC prepared to abandon Arrogance, Nepotism and Corruption in order to bring about "a better life for all"? I personally don't think so, because Arrogance, Nepotism and Corruption in embedded in the DNA of the ANC.

  • james.hodgson.3194 - 2012-08-21 20:25

    There is only one small problem that we have here, nobody in this government actually understands what the economy is or how it works. The ANC with every policy it creates stands squarely in the path of economic advancement. Transformation for them is the passing of money from hard working businesses into their greedy pockets. There is not one single black person in this country, except ANC and allied cronies, that is better off in this country. It is strange that Africa and the Far East acquired independence at about the same time, after the 2nd World War, suffering the same colonial occupation from various countries. The Far East has become a world power house, while Africa has slid down the toilet of greed, nepotism and corruption. This government is also happy to keep it's voting masses illiterate as you can fool the illiterate a lot longer than educated voters. As usual nothing will change, actually strike that, what will change is that our country the shining light that could have been, will be ridden into the ground with the masses shouting Viva, Viva.....

  • Johan De Beer - 2012-08-21 22:16

    Oh brother. Poverty at R10,000 a month?

  • tony.v.delucchi - 2012-08-22 13:27

    They can blame whoever they wish all they want. They can kill off our farmers, rape our mothers and daughters, hail criminals as saviors and use apartheid as an excuse till the world ends. But nothing will ever change for them. They were doing this to themselves before any european came along, and they will continue to do so forever more. All the comments placed here are true, for the most part. But reason and logic are beyond the people you are trying to target. Sitting back and taking an objective perspective on their behavior i can only come to the conclusion that either 1: they just that damn stupid. or 2: they have the emotional and mental capacity of adolescents. They sure act just as if teens were running things.

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