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Presidency disgusted at Zuma painting

2012-05-18 14:18

Johannesburg - Brett Murray's painting of President Jacob Zuma with his genitals exposed violated his rights, the presidency said on Friday.

"The presidency is shocked and disgusted at the grotesque painting by Brett Murray depicting President Jacob Zuma in an offensive manner," spokesperson Mac Maharaj said after the Goodman Gallery in Johannesburg refused to remove the painting.

"We are amazed at the crude and offensive manner in which this artist denigrates the person and the office of the president of the Republic of South Africa."

Maharaj said Zuma was amongst the primary architects of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and would defend those rights, but people had to realise they were not absolute.

"Nobody has a right to violate the dignity and rights of others while exercising their own," he said.

Zuma was also a citizen with a constitutional right to dignity and "no human being deserves to be denigrated in this shocking manner".

Vulgar methods

The presidency was concerned the painting "perpetuates a shocking new culture by some sections of the artistic world, of using vulgar methods of communicating about leading figures in the country, including especially the president".

Maharaj said because of "intense hatred" of the new democratic administration or the ruling party, artists were failing to ensure disagreements were communicated in a cultured and civilised manner.

The presidency was also shocked that some media house were eager to publish the work.

The SA Council of Churches in Limpopo found the painting immoral and in bad taste, saying Zuma should be afforded dignity and respect because he is also a husband and father.

"Depicting the president in this unacceptable manner goes against our Christian morals and the founding provisions of our democracy and we find it to be in bad taste."

The ANC earlier sent the gallery a letter from its lawyers demanding its removal and also wanted a picture of the painting, titled The Spear, removed from the City Press website.

Censorship


The newspaper refused, saying it would leave it to a court to decide. It has since been run on other websites, including Timeslive.

Gallery spokesperson Lara Koseff said their lawyers had already responded to the ANC saying the painting would stay until the show was over.

"We feel it is censorship to take the image down," said Koseff.

As visitors and delivery people snapped photographs of the 1.8m-long painting on their smartphones, and local and international media took footage, Koseff said although the opinions of artists were not the gallery's, it was always interested in work that created dialogue.

Murray's work includes a set of gold knuckledusters with the word "viva" inscribed on them, a crest with the map of Africa and word "mine" in the motto scroll, a large primate mating with a smaller one titled "The Party and the People" and an image with the words "predator elite", from a speech by Cosatu general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi when he spoke out against corruption.

Dehumanising


However, Cosatu found the painting demeaning.

"This picture is offensive and disrespectful not only to an individual, but to the democratically elected president of South Africa and therefore to the whole country and the people of South Africa," Cosatu said.

One of those viewing the exhibition, Bryan Maritz, said he had come to see the work as a fan of political satire.

He described the Zuma painting as "striking", but preferred Murray's other pieces finding them "very hard hitting".

A guard with a bullet-proof vest had been posted at the gallery door as a precaution.

Koseff said Zuma had not been to see the work, but Arts and Culture Minister Paul Mashatile had called to express concern, so a meeting was planned with him and the gallery.

The National Education Health and Allied Workers' Union said it had found the painting, and media coverage of it, dehumanising and embarrassing for Zuma and his family.

Comments
  • Tuco - 2012-05-18 14:26

    The presidency is shocked and disgusted at the grotesque painting by Brett Murray The public is shocked and disgusted at the grotesque eTolls, crime and corruption on th epart of the ANC govt. howz that for tit-for-tat ;p

      E=MC2 - 2012-05-18 14:31

      tit for tat... you're bordering on an aweseome pun there :-)

      Tuco - 2012-05-18 14:47

      @E=MC2 haahaha i barely noticed hey!!! Dicktator JZ is killing me today.

      Jean - 2012-05-18 15:06

      Tuco do you know what I'm disgusted about, is when a father shoots his 7 year old daughter cos he thought there were burglars (which there was) in his house. This is how our anc works, cares more about a crudely drawn picture of zuma's penis than the safety of this country and indirectly being responsible for a 7 year old's death.

      Christopher - 2012-05-18 15:25

      Its amazing how the exhibition is called "Hail to the Thief II" and they (the precidency) are not worried what the exhibition is called but more worried about the Spear name? Because they are thiefs!

      Gestoffle - 2012-05-18 15:32

      Funny how this header comment makes the world go round, if we were all intelligent, the balance of equilibrium would not work...... Anyway, whichever side the commenter is on, he has used the invention of the intelligent one to voice his disgust of the intelligent one - talk about one shooting one self in the foot...... In case you missed it DubulaAmanzi :"Jan Van Riebeck must wake up and take his great childrens here,All whites must go to Europe we are tired of them." (SIC)

      Aristar - 2012-05-18 15:32

      The government is here to serve not to rule. The basis of a democratic system is that we, the voter, vote for the politicians to be put in place to SERVE US, not rule us.

      Tuco - 2012-05-18 15:49

      I'm surprised the rest of the ANC "MEMBERS" haven't said anything about the painting!!! LOL!!!

      Boer - 2012-05-19 03:13

      Zuma the country is disgusted with you and the ANC Lot. Never mind your painting. Jou ou vrot voel gaan anyway afval van aids. Jy gebruik mos nie n kondoom nie.

      Ec - 2012-05-19 07:38

      Not surprising .... most of these comments are about Zummer" Tokeloz hanging out, and not about the "Amandla we demand bribes...." painting. How's this for a silent message to the world out there?

      mcgillveraysabino - 2012-05-19 08:52

      Zuma has no education Zuma has no birth control All in all you just are Another brick in the wall All in all you just are a machine gunner! Zuma and Vavi are bricks in the wall keeping South Africans in Poverty, and slaves of the anc.

      Mart - 2012-05-19 11:01

      I don't know about you but I would rather look at roadkill seething with maggots than a painting depicting Zuma and his peepee. Isn't it also fairly ironic that it is the ANC that is taking legal action and demanding more respect for Zuma when he is not entitled' to the respect of the free-thinking people of this country, his TITLE is. Respect for him as an individual sailed many moons ago. His relative silence on matters such as crime, corruption, crime syndicates (drugs, human trafficking) the rape of the country's assets (our flora and fauna) by foreign nationals etc has exasperated an already negative portrayal of a President. A President worth his salt would lead and not be lead by selfish agendas.

      Jou - 2012-05-19 13:26

      Zooma is disgusting for having more than one wife. What barbaric country allows a supposed President from having a harem. Truly backwards culture.

  • mihaip007 - 2012-05-18 14:26

    guys you GOTTA STOP THIS - I can't breath! This is so funny..! LOL I can't stop LAUGHING WAHAHAHAHA Zooma's Mshini Vavi is an INSTANT hit LOL

  • clinton.badenhorst - 2012-05-18 14:27

    It just shows you how much respect the people have for this poephol! He is not a president' @ss worth. Now STFU and try and run a country you maifudies!

      Pieter - 2012-05-19 13:21

      Now for the big question....Is it really Zuma in the the painting. As far as I know the painter himself did not say it is Zuma. So, why do we assume it is Zuma? 1. The main color of the person is yellow (not black). The black is only used in the shadow which for all persons are black. You do not get white shadows. 2. The hair of the person is not showing so we can divulge nothing from the hair style. It looks like he might be bald but he might have hair on the sides of his face and be bald on top. From the above there is no way that any person on earth can positively identify the person in the painting as President Zuma. What if it is a painting of mr. Vavi or of an imaginary person symbolizing the ANC? So, the Presidency wants to take on people in court but they first have to prove that it is President Zuma in the painting otherwise they have no case.

      Pierre - 2012-05-20 15:14

      @just my 2 cents. If it was a picture of VAVI it would not have been 1.86M tall. More likely it would have been an 0,86m dangling digit

  • Gerdie - 2012-05-18 14:28

    Wel doesn't he show them to every second woman he sees anyway???

      E=MC2 - 2012-05-18 14:32

      hahahaha!

  • Badger - 2012-05-18 14:28

    But his 500 wives 600 children, 2500 grandchildren, rape charges, corruption, paints a real pretty picture of what a wonderful man he is, don't it ???

  • Jeremy - 2012-05-18 14:29

    Where can I buy a print so I can put it on my car and my house and on all the lamp-posts I can find, if the ANC wants to make this a big deal, then lets make it a big deal. Try and censor the whole country!!

  • Peter - 2012-05-18 14:29

    The picture is definitely a personal attack to Zuma and can be seen as racist. Seems like controversy sells papers lately. I am not a Zuma fan but this is beyond freedom of expression

      Heinrich - 2012-05-18 14:36

      What makes that picture racist? It has nothing to do with race.

      JaredVN - 2012-05-18 14:39

      I agree with Heinrich. It has nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with the sexual behaviour of an individual. If the individual in question didn't misbehave, the painting would have been remotely pornographic but nothing more. The reaction it's receiving speaks volumes about guilty consciences which no shower can wash away... Umhtondo wami LOL!

      Heinrich - 2012-05-18 14:42

      It is a play on this image of Lenin: http://www.hubertlerch.com/images/Lenin5.jpg

      Peter - 2012-05-18 14:43

      Our rich history has proven that hatred from the minority = racism to the majority. The art stinks of hatred for Zuma as an individual.

      JaredVN - 2012-05-18 14:45

      So Peter, according to you the complaints in France about Dominique Strauss-Kahn's sexual misbehaviour with a maid was also "racist?"

      Heinrich - 2012-05-18 14:47

      "Our rich history has proven that hatred from the minority = racism to the majority. " This picture has nothing to do with our history! nothing to do with racism. It has everything to do with how the artist sees him as a person , as a leader. How he is portrayed in news and in the public eye.

      Peter - 2012-05-18 14:55

      "can be seen as racist"? Why because a white guy painted it, You all shout foul but VAVI, Julius and Co call the DA racist white pigs etc etc here do you lot get off? Seriosuly its fine for you guys to complain now but as soon as it involves someone else its not racist.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-18 14:59

      So Peter, what are your views on Ayanda Mabulu's version of Zuma's spear? Racist?

      Bob - 2012-05-18 15:02

      Im with you on this one Peter, this was a real dum move..disrespectfull..( and Im no fan of his at all..)

      Heinrich - 2012-05-18 15:03

      "Why because a white guy painted it" wow , really? I give up. I'll change the subject to something more cheery. Have a lovely weekend bro! nearly 17h00 , just have a few more things to do at the office. yay!

      Peter - 2012-05-18 15:04

      @Bob - yea agreed it can be seen as disrespectful but there isnt a racist issue unless people make it into one

      Peter - 2012-05-18 15:06

      @peter, deal with the issue at hand than comparing apples with oranges. DA have been into all the courts suing Malema & CO over race issues. The art is abusing our democracy.

      Peter - 2012-05-18 15:23

      @Peter - "The art is abusing our democracy." Art is about freedom of expression, the underlying stone of democracy. You censor his art and you are in a communist country finish n klaar

      Peter - 2012-05-18 15:26

      @Peter - And I would love to know how you can assume that the underlying issue at hand is a racial one because of a man drawn with his penis hanging out. You make it a racial issue because the artist is white and JZ is black, stop turning things into a rcial issue and there is no problem other than a display of disrespect which is what this is all about. no RACE STOP SAYING ITS RACIAL! Do you know the artist personally?

      Ec - 2012-05-19 06:29

      well well well..... what would the comment have been if it was the A@$e sticking out and not the holy Tokeloz?

      Aristar - 2012-05-20 04:41

      Peter, Peter, had a wife and couldn't keep her. Heinrich, I knew that image was familiar and could not place it. Thank you for pointing out the Lenin poster similarity. Now again I say: The government is here to serve not to rule. The basis of a democratic system is that we, the voter, vote for the politicians to be put in place to SERVE US, not rule us.

      Karen - 2012-05-20 14:37

      Racist? What makes this picture racist? It may well qualify as a caricature and yes, it may well be upsetting to some, but there is nothing racist about it.

      alansmartSnr - 2012-05-20 14:59

      ..Talk about respect.. Respect has no price, colour or creed. RESPECT IS ONLY WHAT PEOPLE EARN. IT'S NOT FOR FREE!!!!.. and besides, most of the population think he's a dick-head anyhow.

  • anthro45 - 2012-05-18 14:30

    Dear Presidency, stop making yourself out as being important.

      henk63 - 2012-05-19 09:47

      @Anthro45 - Don't be mistaken, the presidency is very important. That is why it's also very important to highlight the moral prostitution that invaded the presidency. It seems the whole display opened so many cans of worms that the morons cannot even begin to comprehend it all. The only thing the retards could see and complain about was the penis, but that is only one small item on a list of many. If they had the brains to understand every item on display, they would have tried to ban the whole shebang.

      alansmartSnr - 2012-05-20 14:57

      ..How the hell can you defame anybody who is so inept, has so many corruption charges being investigated,(Prima faci)..So many wives, children, appointing and protecting crooks and thieves (fact)and screwing the whole country. Too many adverse things to mention - he is beyond being able to defame in my book.

  • Hallo - 2012-05-18 14:31

    No fan of Zuma but this is just stupid and provocative.

      Ken - 2012-05-18 14:52

      And so you should not. The fool belongs in prison.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-18 15:00

      What good is freedom of expression if we cannot challenge it?

  • Sonja - 2012-05-18 14:31

    blah blah blah...blah blah (ANC waffeling on and on) *blah blah blah* Constitution this...democracy that..... Bill of rights this...privacy that..... blah blah....ANC...WAKE UP. SOUTH AFRICA BELONGS TO ITS PEOPLE AND NOT YOU!!! WE CAN PAINT WHAT WE DAMN WELL PLEASE....GO TO HELL!!!

      Peter - 2012-05-18 14:58

      I honestly wish a black person had painted it, im so sick and flipping tired of everyone jumping up and down "its racist" "its racist", its only racist if you choose to see that a white guy painted a picture of a black man, who gives a damn! When will you lot get off your high horses and STOP USING DOUBLE STANDARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Thuphac - 2012-05-18 15:33

      @Peter. Because black people wouldn't dream of painting something like this, regardless of what the person had done. Why is it even today there are derogatory paintings of PW Botha by a black person? Why is it that only white people rigorously exercise their rights to denigrate black people?

      Peter - 2012-05-18 16:05

      @Thuphac - "Why is it that only white people rigorously exercise their rights to denigrate black people" look im not going to get into this whole long debate with you i see what you mean. BUT, yes there is a BUT. White people also get treated dis-respectfully by black people, you cant honestly tell me they don't, we get treated like dirt and told to go back to Europe every other day by the leaders of our OWN country. One artist paints a picture, btw art can be taken anyway a person desires art is about interpretation, and you want to group all people that are white together and throw them out of the country. I was born in SA, im sure you were born here too. I honestly dont care what color the president is black, white, asian, he could be an Asian via Ukrainian decent that was born in Alaska. All i want is a government that works and treats me like a normal citizen not a third rate bottom class tool to further there personal economic position. This whole thing started out as an insult because he is well personally anyway a useless president he has not done enough for anyone in the country, now for some reason over the last few hours its become a race thing

  • NrGx - 2012-05-18 14:32

    http://www.pophangover.com/2012/03/27/15-portraits-of-nude-politicians/ zuma is not the first politician to have his junk painted. but i think his is the best out of the lot

      ettienne.hattingh - 2012-05-18 14:39

      @ Dubula. You shut up, you dumb twit.

      jackal666.daniel - 2012-05-18 15:03

      @Dubula sounds like if it was you in that picture the viewer would need a magnifying glass! Way to go dude, Inferiority Complex 1 : Cultivation of Braincells 0.

      Peter - 2012-05-18 15:06

      @DubulaAmanzi - Why are you being so racist? It has nothing to do with race stop turning this into a racial issue

      eil33nn - 2012-05-18 15:13

      I Think NrGx had alot to say. What makes the ANC so special that they can't handle critism?

      Peter - 2012-05-18 15:41

      @DubulaAmanzi - Its ok my friend, people have out bursts it happens, im not without fault either, on a previous article i said things i regret although i didn't mean it in a racial way it was taken that way. People are always going to be emotional about issues that are close to home for them. I just want people to get along, im 23 and im tired of race i just want to know that my tax money is helping people that i have a right to live in this country. I commend your apology, it takes a true man to apologize for their mistakes

      Iceberg - 2012-05-18 19:59

      NrGx, I love the two of Hillary Clinton. Really lovely :)

      Ec - 2012-05-19 06:34

      of course, the picture is black not white.... therefore it has to be racist. I see. rêssism rêssism.... all you can always say! Your fool, look past this and see the facts, the guy is incompotent, not impotent!!

      NrGx - 2012-05-19 14:39

      @Dubula - I'm glad to see you're not letting your education get in the way of your ignorance

  • mihaip007 - 2012-05-18 14:34

    "Depicting the president in this unacceptable manner goes against our Christian morals and the founding provisions of our democracy and we find it to be in bad taste." Look two things here: Number one: EVERYONE is a critique - so if you dod not like it, then don;t buy it... Number two: These Christian Values they are talking about: How does that work with multiple wives, multiple children outside the marriage? Sleeping around? Or is it selective feeling suddenly?

      Luvhani - 2012-05-18 15:09

      Spend some time reading the bible you wil find dat zuma is nt the first one 2 hav multiple wives and kids, Mr Intelligent...

      raath - 2012-05-18 15:10

      Exactly. They only have "Christian morals" when they can use it to their advantage. Else, when in contrast with "Christian morals", it is their "culture"

      eil33nn - 2012-05-18 15:14

      How very "christian" of them - Jim Jeffreys Comedian

      mihaip007 - 2012-05-18 15:20

      @Luvhani - I read the bible more than you know my friend! It even has a list of books that have been removed by dictators such as Zooma along ancient times, and guess what with the new testament things would have changed that is WHY it is called Christian! Because you'd follow the new testament, not the OLD testament alone..! Actually have you even considered how many stories the bible has borrowed from ancient Summeria? Guess not... And lastly - in the Bible there IS one commandment - do not look at another man's woman! Well Zooma as he is so intelligent he has threaded careful there - he looked at another man's DAUGHTER!!! How Christian is that for you my friend?

  • danny.levin.351 - 2012-05-18 14:34

    and we are disgusted with having a bufoon, womanizer, corrupt, immoral and unethical person as a president.

      Aristar - 2012-05-20 04:46

      The government is here to serve not to rule. The basis of a democratic system is that we, the voter, vote for the politicians to be put in place to SERVE US, not rule us.

  • thebe.tau - 2012-05-18 14:34

    Would anyone here like to replace Zuma's face with their father's face. Yes or No only.

      Mewik - 2012-05-18 14:35

      For his salary and the benefits his kids have...yes in a heart beat

      Jacques - 2012-05-18 14:58

      Yes but mine earned respect never demanded , raped , stole , fathered a nation etc

      Antipoaching - 2012-05-18 15:07

      yes

      Peter - 2012-05-18 15:07

      Are you Zumas son? No then shut up

      Peter - 2012-05-18 16:10

      @kensong.ben.7 - Why are you so angry at everyone? If you want to be angry and make it your business then fine do that, but don't bring both your race and my race to your own level, so you can use them as your scape goat in your attempt to spread hatred to all those around you

      Mewik - 2012-05-18 16:32

      @Kensong I let your stupid advocate devil comment go the other day when you dumped it on me...mostly because I couldn't really respond to something that made no sense in the context of the conversation. Let me help you out a bit here for the next time you want to punch above your weight in the IQ department, the term is DEVIL'S ADVOCATE. Ok you got it now? No advocate devil or other waffle that you seem to think is fitting at the time. The term implies that one is the advocate of the devil, hence the first word being devil, with an apostrophe, that's one of these: ' to show that it's a possession of the devil, then the word advocate. How stupid do you have to be to go around repeatedly using terms that you cannot even pronounce to try and gain some intellectual high ground in conversations? For the record it makes you look a bit thick and doesn't do wonders for your credibility.

      alansmartSnr - 2012-05-20 14:51

      ..@.kensong.ben.7.. Ahh.. That explains a lot. So basicaly you'r saying you are the product / accident of a burst "french letter". Never mind! you would not understand that either. BTW.. I would gladly spar with you in French.

  • Christopher - 2012-05-18 14:35

    so screwing the rest of the nation over isn't?

  • Mark - 2012-05-18 14:35

    Zuma and the cronies - get over it. We as the citizens of this country are disgusted over your nepotism, corruption, protection of cronies, the crime rate etc etc etc. What do you do about it - you throw your middle fingers at the citizens - so - take what you deserve. The tables are turning.

      alansmartSnr - 2012-05-20 14:57

      ..How the hell can you defame anybody who is so inept, has so many corruption charges being investigated,(Prima faci)..So many wives, children, appointing and protecting crooks and thieves (fact)and screwing the whole country. Too many adverse things to mention - he is beyond being able to defame in my book.

  • iwan.pieterse - 2012-05-18 14:36

    If the shoe fits... Zuma has long ago lost the respect of civilised men.

  • danny.levin.351 - 2012-05-18 14:37

    Please can every one here stop making fun of Dubula! Please remember that it is rude to make fun off the village idiot.

      Luvhani - 2012-05-18 14:51

      Wow spot on Danny...

      ettienne.hattingh - 2012-05-18 14:57

      Dubula. I will hold my fist out and you can run into it. There is no place in our society for you. Bugger off.

      E=MC2 - 2012-05-18 15:00

      Dubula, you seem dumb. Go tend some cattle.

      Peter - 2012-05-18 15:07

      @DubulaAmanzi - No one can get a pension, the R30 Billion was spent on E-tolls

  • Dakey - 2012-05-18 14:39

    Can't help but agree with the president. His office deserves some respect. There are far more suitable methods to draw attention to a person or his beliefs than this.

      Dave - 2012-05-18 14:49

      Might be, but none more appropriate

      Koos - 2012-05-18 21:03

      His "office" deserves respect. He doesn't. A man is not bigger than his office. That is what Jacob Zuma tried to be. He tried 2 be bigger than his office. The office of a president requires that he keeps his penis and sexual behaviour to himself. How many presidents have 22 children?

      christian.helberg - 2012-05-20 12:16

      Respect is earned, what has he done to earn the respect of the nation?

      alansmartSnr - 2012-05-20 15:00

      ..Talk about respect.. Respect has no price, colour or creed. RESPECT IS ONLY WHAT PEOPLE EARN. IT'S NOT FOR FREE!!!!.. and besides, most of the population think he's a dick-head anyhow.

  • Bambanani - 2012-05-18 14:41

    thats what you will get when you beg your former oppressors to share with you what they have stole from you in the fisrt place,the anc have compromise too much,now the former oppressor have gain confident and can write any rubbish and depict black man naked thats exactly what many of the white people think of a black person,in their eye their dogs deserve better than a black preson,we definately need a revolution,lets all loose and start afresh,maybe we will see that we need each ather

      Rhyno - 2012-05-18 15:02

      You're just a special kind of moron, aren't you?

      Jacques - 2012-05-18 15:06

      Hau

      Peter - 2012-05-18 15:09

      All you see is color, get over yourself

      lwazi.sibiya.10 - 2012-05-18 15:29

      Now that Bambanani is reminding of the true that is all you can say Jackals?

      Peter - 2012-05-18 15:44

      @lwazi.sibiya.10 - Why do u feel the need to bring race into this as well? Really can we not see past the racial lines and just see this for what is is, it not an attack on his culture or his race, black people. Its art so you can interpret it as you please. But look at the art not the artist.

      Ricus - 2012-05-18 19:33

      The ANC had the opportunity since 1994 to level all nations in South Africa to stand together as one and built a proud nation yet they had shown their true colours, F W De Klerk should never have handed over power!

      Koos - 2012-05-18 21:06

      @ Bambanani. Are u blind broer? I see a black man taking out his penis in public at least once a week to wee-wee. So what is the problem now when an artist shows the president with his penis out? Especially if the president likes to show to the entire world what he can do with his penis. 22 chilren? That is now small achievement. I lmao.

      henk63 - 2012-05-19 10:02

      @Koos - They woulld not like to be reminded of this. In fact, black men are extremely proud of their phallusses. It is like their most valuable possession and when pi$$ing in public don't even turn their backs at people. Now suddenly, they are outraged and play as if they are insulted. I think that if the penis was painted twice it's size and erect to boot, they would all sigh in approving satisfaction.

      dennis.crossman.9 - 2012-05-19 18:13

      Wow we do feel sorry for our self. Maybe you should get off your but and do something positive instead of always looking for someone to blame 18 years later, for your incompetence

  • natalie.pennel - 2012-05-18 14:42

    If the powers had just ignored it, the whole drama would have been over. Just a question, aren't there more important and pressing issues to worry about?

      danny.levin.351 - 2012-05-18 14:52

      Natalie, the issue is exactly that. each time the Prez has "pressing issues" he takes care of them by taking it out ....

      Peter - 2012-05-18 15:11

      kensong.ben.7 - Stop defending that which does not affect you, its Zumas problem not yours keep you nose out of other peoples business. There is no reason to see a racial issue unless you want to, so why not choose to not see a racial issue? You need to practice what you preach

      Peter - 2012-05-18 15:50

      @kensong.ben.7 - What was not intelligent about what i said? Why are you so angry at everyone? If you want to be angry and make it your business then fine do that, but don't bring both your race and my race to your own level, so you can use them as your scape goat in your attempt to spread hatred to all those around you

      Koos - 2012-05-18 21:11

      @ natalie. No girl. We don't have more pressing issues 2 worry about. Our biggest and most pressing problem is Jacob Zuma. He taught this country 2 b disrespectful towards women, that children don't need a father with them all the time, that we don't have 2 use a condom when having sex, that we don't need to respect the conservative views of the population, that we set our skelm chommies free from jail, that we appoint our chommies to positions, that the judiciary does not have 2 b independent. That we can use the taxpayers money for tenders for children, nephews, etc. etc. Jo Jo Jo. I think that is very important.

      natalie.pennel - 2012-05-18 21:52

      Wow Koos, I was trying to be diplomatic. Even doing that got some people (ok one person) really waaaaay off the topic. To his/her credit an apology was made. My concern is that a artist gets way more attention than anything you have shared, and loads more! Been awesome watching the fall-out. Do you feel better yet Koos?

  • ditshegobt - 2012-05-18 14:44

    Is just a picture,lolWho cares?I wonder how it looks likeIs Zumas twin guys.

      Peter - 2012-05-18 15:12

      Someone with common sense! Its Zumas problem, no one elses. Unless you are JZ you dont have a say in the matter

  • Michael - 2012-05-18 14:45

    Apart from the artisitc merit of the image, I am interested in the legal specifics of this case. If Zuma was offended, surely he brings the case in his personal capacity (at his own cost)? Given that the party bringing the case is the Office of the Presidency, it would imply that the image is a comment on Zuma, the embodiment of the Presidency, and not on Zuma, the individual. If that case, then there is no case to answer that rthe ights and dignity of the individual have been violated (and as far as I know, the legal view of 'dignity' cannot apply to the office of the Presidency). Seems the ANC cannot (will not??) understand the concept of separation of the office of the Presidency from the individual temporarily occupupying that office. Any lawyers out there understand what I'm trying to say?

      Christopher - 2012-05-18 15:05

      10 over 10 :)

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-05-18 18:05

      That's the way to do it. Take emotions and personal feelings out of the equation and look at the facts.

      Koos - 2012-05-18 21:17

      @ Michael. I'm not a lawyer but my understanding of "press freedom"vs the rights of the individual to privacy, is that when a person willing chooses 2 step into the spotlight he loses quite a bit of his right 2 privacy. It seems save 2 say that if an individual in public office chooses 2 portray himself as a fool in public, he cannot make a case 4 being portrayed as a fool.

  • Pulverturm - 2012-05-18 14:45

    I personally usually don't agree with the ANC, but on this matter I do. Regardless of the presidents previous indiscretions, he has a right to dignity. This is nothing but a cheap and smutty swipe at the president and it brings down South Africa's image in general.

      Dee - 2012-05-18 15:03

      I too find it emotionally offensive - and yet another hugely divisive talk-point that we / I don't need to take on board in the political climate right now. BUT like e.g Guernica type art pieces, it is emotionally evocative, and the Bolshevik style + Stalin depiction surely has some intellectual debate merit - of way more importance than the canon shaped virility factor?

      Bob - 2012-05-18 15:08

      Pulverturm, I agree with you,I dont like him at all, but hell, he is the prez... That should mean something ..?? Its not a black white thing at all...

      Peter - 2012-05-18 15:13

      "he has a right to dignity" well then dont make an issue out of it since its his issue and no ones elses

      henk63 - 2012-05-19 10:14

      @Bob - Yes he is the Prez, and the position warrants respect. Question is, does he know it? Does he really think he can go about in his immoral, corrupt ways and no-one will notice? The list of abuses just grew too long and cannot be ignored anymore. South Africa is the laughing stock of the world and we don't deserve it. Well, maybe we do deserve it as we got what the majority voted for. However, it need to be made known that we are not all the gullable fools that vote to keep the less capable in power.

  • Dexter - 2012-05-18 14:47

    Can imagine how the entire ANC and ANCYL is only focussing on penis painting this week, no work being done, like usual

      Jacques - 2012-05-18 15:05

      This week no woodwork only pianting

  • butch.poulter - 2012-05-18 14:49

    Christian morals my a$%&.What about the victims of crime wheres their constitional rights?

  • E - 2012-05-18 14:50

    The prez probably feels that his rights were violated because the size of the member in the painting is wrong. He probably has a BIG one. (judging by the number of women and wifes that it services). He probably thinks the painting might cause him to lose new customers.

  • Ken - 2012-05-18 14:50

    Couldn't the artist do another one, but this time with Mac Maharaj knelling and smiling through Zuma's legs

  • Leonard - 2012-05-18 14:52

    The picture just shows that Zooma is more concerned about his " junk " than the country ( multiple wives ) and will try to screw us over whenever possible.

  • lerato.kay.3 - 2012-05-18 14:52

    ANC has got no one to blame except themselves; they are the ruling party but they let these demeaning people do as they wish. Its time Zuma and crew move to the next level economic emancipation. Imagine someone paid R130k for that sick potrait, just goes to show that these people have gained enough to last them centuries from apartheid. I urge ANC come Mangaung to moot policies to advance economic empowerment. Its time we see a true S African representation in all sectors of our economy, if white people are 10% of the population we must see 10% os maids, security guard, taxi drivers, cleaners, labourors etc. Once we attain this equality we wont see these diabolic characters who have no respect for our elders. Its time we re-draft the constitution !!!!!

      clinton.badenhorst - 2012-05-18 14:56

      GFY!

      Jacques - 2012-05-18 15:01

      Lerato at which ZOO ARE YOU STAYING

      Jannie - 2012-05-18 15:03

      lerato , the very idealism you spurge, was written by a white men... Lenin and Marx

      Rhyno - 2012-05-18 15:03

      Actually the painting was sold to a foreigner...

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-18 15:05

      Hey lerato, a german from Germany bought it... *sigh* http://www.pophangover.com/2012/03/27/15-portraits-of-nude-politicians/ Also a black artist depicted Zuma with his balls hanging out, look up Ayanda Mabulu - stop your racism!

      danny.levin.351 - 2012-05-18 15:09

      Lerato, all I can say is dream on. you cannot enrich the poor by stealing from the few that actually pay taxes and support the economy. there are PLENTY people from all races who have improved their lifes not by wanting to take from others but by working hard for what they believe in. the current mentality of entitlement and hostility that you show and is shared by too many is exacly what the fatcat demagogs want you to believe. However, it will not lead you to the "emancipation", more likely it will lead to emaciation. Please look at all African countries that have done what you are talking about, they are far worse than they ever were. In zim people eat leaves, but before they took it all away from the white man it was a prosperous country. what makes you think SA will fare differently?

      Ken - 2012-05-18 15:28

      With respect, if ALL blacks had the SAME skills as ALL the whites then your argument makes absolute sense. The reality is that Coloured White and Indian will continue to spend (whatever little money they have) on their children's education before anything else, therefore ensuring that they are more employable. It is sad that people disrespect the President but one must earn it.In Cape Town I have a gentleman who maintains my home and a lady who comes in once a week to clean. They are both a different race from me and I have utmost respect for them, why because they do their jobs professionally. They are both exceedingly paid very well for their services.

      lerato.kay.3 - 2012-05-18 15:34

      Who said anything about stealing from the rich, all I want is for the playing field to be even. Its a public secret that areas like Clifton, Camps Bay etc before and after apartheid has been reserved for one race. DA's policy is equality, all I am saying is how can the economy be in the hands of 10%, its time the economic playfield show a true representation of our country. My question is why dont we have a 10% white representation on menial jobs, are you telling me that all white S Africans are smart? Its the duty of the government through its invisible hand to correct this mess. Come ANC conference things will change, if they want the black educated vote they really have to do something. In as much as you dont like the playing field to be even IT WILL. A time will come when one race would not be in management position because of the colour of their skin, we are tired of uneducated managers just because of their apartheid legacy!!!!!!

      henk63 - 2012-05-19 10:35

      @Lerato - All of us, no matter what race, aspire to better things. We all want more money, a better job etc, but we have to recognise that all are NOT equal. There will always be one at the top and one at the bottom, with the rest between. Those at the bottom cannot demand the same as those on top, and those on top will never let go of their hard-earned belongings. It doesn't work that way. Please don't think all whites have it easy. There are many, many poor whites. Some live without a penny to spare but they are too proud to let even their own families know. Life is not fair, at least whites know that much, and whites don't demand, demand, demand. We know when we missed the tide and don't cry about it. Rewriting the constitution to suppress those on top will do more damage that you can imagine. You complain that someone could buy a painting for R130k. Why don't you complain about recent weddings that cost R2-4m? At least a painting has some value, when a wedding is forgotten in a week.

      Koos - 2012-05-19 15:37

      @ Lerato. Sister, how do u know that 10% of security guards, maids, taxi drivers, cleaners r not white? Do u have statistics that the rest of us don't have? The last time I checked in my hood, there were a large number of white security guards. There is only 1 diabolic character that we all have 2 avoid. Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuumaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. I respect my elders, especially if they respect themselves. I don't have time 4 people who take out their tools when they should be ruling the country.

  • Bryden - 2012-05-18 14:53

    Dubula you are shaming all South Africans with your ignorant and racist comments have you ever heard "Empty vessels make the most noise?" I think you are making the most noise here so go back to school and "try" figure out what I'm saying to you...

  • Duane - 2012-05-18 14:55

    I am neither an ANC nor Zuma supporter, I am also not impressed with the way the country is being lead at the moment but despite all my prejudices, even I reckon that that painting was a pretty stoooopid idea.

      Bryden - 2012-05-18 15:11

      That's all good and well Dubula but a wise man thinks before he speaks and doesn't allow emotion to cloud his judgement, if you are prone to disgusting racial outbursts like you had previously perhaps you should seek counciling because the effect words can have are far reaching and the level you sank to with the hate speech you have been putting out there is shameful, I hope you learn from this experience

      Karen - 2012-05-18 15:28

      I feel it has nothing to do with the fact that he is our president - it is not right to depict a real living person this way, whether you like him or not - he deserves his dignity as any of us do too - there are other ways (satirical), to portray someone and get the same message accross - NO - even freedom of speech and all that has a line (call it a line of "decency", which should not be crossed)

      Koos - 2012-05-19 15:39

      @ Duane. R u Amish bru?

  • Charles-Bronson - 2012-05-18 14:55

    Don't worry. A poe-pol does not know the difference between dignity or respect.

      Koos - 2012-05-19 15:41

      @ Kensong. Bru, even the department of education should know the difference between dignity and respect.

  • Ken - 2012-05-18 14:56

    Zille likes to get them going truly. Maybe the DA should make this their election poster entitled "And this is want you vote for?"

      Bob - 2012-05-18 15:11

      Erection poster...

  • polite.mkhonto.3 - 2012-05-18 14:57

    THIS IS JUST NOT RIGHT HOW WOULD ONE FEEL IF OUR PRIVATE PARTS IS EXPOSED 2 THE WORD.

      Charles-Bronson - 2012-05-18 14:58

      I am proud about mine, send me your number and I mms a photo for you :)

      Jacques - 2012-05-18 15:03

      He is not just exposing it he is also giving it to every fat Mama. Why do you have a problem

      Christopher - 2012-05-18 15:10

      'ARE' Unless you 'IS' what you 'ARE' :)

  • Andile - 2012-05-18 14:57

    I blame all the CODESAS, I also blame Former President Nelson Mandela. If only Chris Hani had lived, this was going to be avoided. But we got to live with it, Hey! Enjoy it Mr Artist, your turn will come

      lwazi.sibiya.10 - 2012-05-18 15:11

      I'm with you 100%, that's demo crazy and there is more coming our way

  • jomardl - 2012-05-18 14:57

    It is very irreverent, like that painting of George W. Bush as a chimpanzee. Not racist, though.

  • Bob - 2012-05-18 14:59

    I am on Mr Zuma’s side on this one. There are MANY MANY things I despise about him, but he is the head of our beloved country...HAVE RESPECT FOR YOUR PRESIDENT . You don’t need to like him (I don’t..!) but you should respect his position. I think that this painting is a gross infringement of his character, it’s just WRONG.. A can of worms will open up from this, Mrs Zilla will be next, and so on and so on until we are all upset...it’s stupid and irresponsible ..!!! That’s what I think..

      Rudi - 2012-05-18 15:21

      No. He's an idiot. One does not demand respect one earns it. He "earned" this. Direct reflection of his lifestyle.

      danny.levin.351 - 2012-05-18 15:36

      Bob, respect is earned, not dictated. A liar, corrupt unethical and immoral womanizer cannot command the respect of decent people. If indeed he and the rest of his band have respect for the presidency he would step down and allow a honest, ethical and moral person to take over.

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-05-18 18:12

      I agree to a certain extent, Bob. We don't have to respect Zuma as an individual, but we should respect his office as our President. Unfortunately this is another nail in a very big coffin.

  • vernon.samuel.7 - 2012-05-18 14:59

    The presidency is without doubt one of the toughest offices to run. As such we need to afford that office all due respect. By and large we have done that, even when Mbeki had the country in an uproar over the ARV debacle. But I have to say that there are lots about the Zuma presidency that grinds hard against the intelligence of the citizens and the constitution. From the dubious dropping of multiple criminal charges, to the manner in which he handled proven criminal cabinet ministers, to the issues surrounding the constitunional court judges and the crime intelligence bosses. Let's not even go into the rape trial, his multiple wives living at taxpayers expense, brand new presidential and vice-presidential jets, chartered flights for all his ministers - all paid for by citizens who can barely afford to live anymore. Those pass by without the blink of an eyelid and a man who nearly pours drink on him is branded a criminal. This gives us the notion that JZ considers himself untouchable. And the secrecy bill will seal that for sure. So he and his cronies should not feel aggrieved at such disdain and disrespect from the people. Under his presidency the police and blue-light brigades can kill us at their leisure and we have little resourse. So mr president, all that I can say as a citizen that you are daily oppressing and abusing is, go to hell and expect much more than just tasteless art from the people of SA - without us you are nothing. If you want our respect, you need to work damn hard to get it.

  • Jannie - 2012-05-18 15:00

    maharaj is a communist himself..the artists version of the lenin painting, makes it speak even louder. it signifies everything that is wrong with south africa at the moment. i could list them, but i do not have enough space in this text box

      Kevin - 2012-05-19 19:31

      @iwazi, the difference would be that if an artist had to put a naked or similar depiction of Helen, it would have very little, if any impact, as it would have no merit. The artist would just look dumb. In zuma's case, he had it coming. The artist intended to make a point (or was that a spear) .... BWahh hahahah, excuse the pun(s) .... It is now up to zuma to prove to us he is not just some prick as he comes across as.

  • Ken - 2012-05-18 15:01

    Couldn't some enterprising person use this picture (copy write acknowledged)on place mats or hotel towels. I'm sure the tourists would love it.

      Ken - 2012-05-18 15:02

      Oh hell I forgot about the T-shirts.

      lwazi.sibiya.10 - 2012-05-18 15:19

      I wonder what you would have said if Zille's picture with her genitals on display next to Zuma s pic.

      henk63 - 2012-05-19 10:47

      @Iwazi - Zille's private life is not under the spotlight, and as far as we know she is married to one man, does not sleep around and lives above reproach. She does not abuse the power she has. Zuma is the direct opposite as you know; I don't have to list his transgressions here. Point is, in his case it is valid. If Zille was guilty of all the abuses, by all means, treat her the same. But right now it would only seem foolish.

  • Christopher - 2012-05-18 15:02

    If nobody knew who Brett Murray was before, they sure do now. How's that for free marketing for both Brett and Goodman Gallery. AWESOME!!!!

      vusimananagp - 2012-05-18 15:35

      1 word for u bitter bloody hater.

      Marius - 2012-05-18 15:37

      That is 3 words??

  • danny.levin.351 - 2012-05-18 15:02

    Dubula, thank you for your concern. indeed I'm a bit older than you. and guess what? I'm most likely closer than you to being able to retire comfortably thanks to a lifetime of hard work, some of it in the company that I funded. I hope this makes you feel better.

  • michael.duplessis.71 - 2012-05-18 15:04

    Onaanvaarbaar dat enige land se president so tentoongestel word. Die Ministerie het elke reg om kwaad te wees. Alle normes en waardes word hier bloot blantant weggevee, of jy vir die betrokke politieke party stem of nie. Die gaan hier nie oor 'n politieke party nie maar oor 'n land se President. Dit is totaal absurd en betoon geen respek nie.

      michael.duplessis.71 - 2012-05-18 15:19

      Vir die een wat my status ge-dislike het, gaan kyk na die skildery en wees trots. Ek sal trots wees as my land se vlag wapper en ek my land se volkslied kan sing. Bloot my opinie en jy neem bloot 'n dislike op annonimiteit. Vir my gaan dit bloot om respek of ek vir die perd stem of nie.

      Ricus - 2012-05-18 15:31

      As die President en voormalige Presidente vanaf 1994 uitsonderlike werk gelewer het, dit wil se produktief was in die opbou en nie afbreek van die land en sy voormalige bouers nie, en almal bemagtig het, nie net sy verkose lede nie, sou mense miskien respek gehad het vir hom, na gelang van sy professionele optrede, wat tans van nul waarde is!

      michael.duplessis.71 - 2012-05-18 15:38

      @Ricus, soos gesê, dit gaan nie oor die betrokke politieke party nie. Die ANC het vir my as mens nog niks gedoen nie. Dit gaan actually oor die breer prentjie. Dit is die president of ons nou saamstem of nie. Nie te min, dit is bloot my opinie. Kan nie dink die hedendaagse samelewing is so disrespectfull nie. Ek glo ook nie jy sou saamgestem het met alles wat FW, Botha of selfs ET gesê het nie, dit is bloot normes en waardes mbt respek. Maar sterkte.

      hein.huyser - 2012-05-19 13:22

      Gaan kyk die woord "satire" op, en dan sal jy nie so oorgretig wees om jou opinie in die openbaar te lewer nie. JZ word uitgebeeld soos hy homself voorstel, die skildery weerspieel in n prent wat JZ in die werklike lewe voorstel. Dit sal sy nalatenskap wees, en as jy dink hy het jou niks gedoen nie is jy meer ignorant as jou post

  • joao.r.oliveira1 - 2012-05-18 15:05

    What is more shocking is that the very behaviour which this painting seeks to remind people of, is not what is being spoken about and attacked. Talk about shooting the messenger.

  • Khetha Hlophe - 2012-05-18 15:07

    Why whites hate Mr Zuma so much?Is it because He is non-white or has a different heritage but always He is a christian. Who to judge

      temudau - 2012-05-18 15:16

      Lolest gud q hlophe bt am sure o myb not, wuld mdluli be be the perfect judge?

      Khetha Hlophe - 2012-05-18 15:29

      @temudau. Some so called S Africans behaves like tourists r so free

      Karen - 2012-05-18 15:36

      Khetha, i dont think the issue is whites hating mr. Zuma - mostly it is because they are frustrated that he and the government is not doing a good job - I will admit that there are definitely whites out there that do hate black people, but I think for most white people it has nothing to do with skin colour but ability ... and I believe a lot of black people feel exactly the same ..

      Ken - 2012-05-18 15:43

      It is not because he is a ZULU. Many years ago I worked with a Mr. Edward Gama who was a great business analyst. Unfortunately Edward and his wife (qualified nurse also Zulu) left SA for USA. Edward told me he was leaving as he and his wife couldn't see themselves bringing up their future children in this country. This was post 1994. Edward was a fine gentleman and I was very sad to see him depart. BTW I'm a whitey and don't see race only people who can be sh7t or great whatever their 'race'.

      hein.huyser - 2012-05-19 13:28

      JZ does no t represent Christianity. No one slaughter a bull and places this country on he altar of Satan and deserves to be called Christian. And no, we don't dislike him because he is black, it is becuase he is in charge of a n orginisation that is driving this country to become another despotic bananarepublic, where it could've so easily been different

      alansmartSnr - 2012-05-20 16:32

      ..@ Khetha Hlophe.. "He is a christian. Who to judge" Jeez, thats farfetched. He doesn't act like one".. If he's a Christian then that thing hanging out of his zip is a babar, (sorry - correction).. a tadpole.

  • joao.r.oliveira1 - 2012-05-18 15:08

    What is more shocking is that the very behaviour which this painting seeks to remind people of, is not what is being spoken about and attacked. Talk about shooting the messenger.

  • temudau - 2012-05-18 15:11

    Brett murry am sure evrybody knws who he is nw, lol silly him wheres the freedom of expression that we tlkd abt? Surely this ws a good way of marketing whether you like it or not, sorry mr. President not in murry's gallery lolest

  • The-third - 2012-05-18 15:12

    well. we are disgusted in the Presidency so there you go, fair play.

  • Nigel - 2012-05-18 15:14

    I think showing the painting this way is wrong. Jacob Zuma is head of state and the office deserves respect. I can't think of another democratically elected head of state who would be treated that way in the mainstream press. Going by the comments on this page it will simply fuel the fire of racial hatred. If there was a painting like this of the Queen, or even the prime minister in the UK it would receive similar condemnation.

      The-third - 2012-05-18 15:18

      have you seen some of the things people did with George Bush mate?

      Andre Du Preez - 2012-05-18 15:23

      None of the people you mentioned act in the same inproper manner as Zuma does if you keep your nose clean this will not happen to you

      Nigel - 2012-05-18 16:04

      @TheThirdWors In the mainstream press? I don't recall seeing any pics of GWB with his genitals exposed in the New York Times. Still think it's wrong to publish it this way. @Andre Du Preez Agreed that JZ has acted improperly but I feel that this kind of thing diminishes the office and the institution which is not good for SA. IMO It's about the office not the man.

      Pieter - 2012-05-18 16:48

      @Nigel That is because people do not associate sex with him. However, Clinton is another story. Look at http://www.ict4us.com/popular/caricatures/pag.php?img=Bill+Clinton Do you see the SAX Symbol? And how about the second one from the bottom?