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Pretoria name change 'to divert attention'

2011-11-22 12:48

Pretoria - The Freedom Front Plus voiced disappointment at Tshwane mayor Kgosientso Ramokgopa's comments that Pretoria will be renamed Tshwane irrespective of the cost or opposition to the move, saying it believed the name change issue was a political smokescreen to divert attention away from service delivery issues.

"The mayor had at the time of his inauguration undertaken not to focus on an emotional issue such as the changing of names, but rather on service delivery," said Tshwane spokesperson Conrad Beyers.

"Now that he is experiencing criticism with regards to service delivery, he is trying to cover it up by falling back on populist sentiments of the ANC."

Beyers said it was ironic that Ramokgopa had made these "polarising statements" at Freedom Park, which was intended as a monument to reconciliation.

Rhetoric

While the FF+ believed a settlement on the name change was possible, Ramokgopa's rhetoric would "force all parties back to the political trenches".

The Pretoria News quoted Ramokgopa as saying that Pretoria's name change and the name changes of 21 streets would happen before the end of 2012.

"We are going to be resolute and stubborn in ensuring that our history is recorded correctly because our brave heroes paid the ultimate price," he said.

He spoke on Monday at the unveiling of the names of 13 victims - who were shot dead during a 1985 protest against high rents - on the city's Wall of Names at Freedom Park.

Ramokgopa said he did not care about what the media reported about the costs related to the name changes as no amount of money was too much for "recording history correctly".

Comments
  • Johnny - 2011-11-22 13:00

    For 5cents, why are people still surprised by the anc cadres? The mayor said this at freedompark, which is supposed to be a monument for reconsiliation? Are there any SADF names allowed on the freedompark walls? Not as far as I know. This is just another instance of expressing the blak mans hate to the average white south african. Accept it or leave.

      Dirk - 2011-11-22 13:06

      The only thing the Association of National Criminals can do is steal, plunder and change names. But to construct? At a total loss

      emile.marais - 2011-11-22 13:21

      I want my heritage and culture respected just as much as you want your heritage and culture respected. South Africa is multi-ethnic, never forget this. Not everyone share the same history, the same ideals or the same vision of what our nation, called South Africa is supposed to be.

      henrileriche - 2011-11-22 14:14

      It is just African common sense. Change the name to Tswane and hey! That solves the service delivery issues. And before my African citizens take me on. It is not my fault some Africans re-enforce stereotypes. What do you expect when you have leaders like these with more Rand in his pocket than IQ for common sense.

      Johnny - 2011-11-22 17:04

      emile, the problem is that in africa, the strongest rules and their take on history is the only they will tolerate. Commies were never open to views different from theirs. The option is to accept their view or be seen as opposing them and by default be the enemy. Or alternatively, they are just ignorant arrogant idiots.

      Mantsho - 2011-11-22 19:53

      ANC is not going to rule SA forever, so why bother changing this names, Pretoria is a very nice name,Tourist are going to be confused now.

      emile.marais - 2011-11-23 00:53

      Johnny, isn't that the sad truth. One thing that give me hope is the fact that not everyone buy into the ANC's NDR. Not everyone buy into the vile lie that is Communism either. The ANC will not rule this country forever - history is a testament to this fact.

      rowen.loretz - 2011-11-23 08:33

      what about concentrating on healthcare and education. I am so SICK and TIRED of hearing these silly little idiots having a little squabble about their egos , goodness, why don't they just have an arm wrestle match. Wake the $%^* up and see that the money is needed elsewhere , not to change names...that is a waste. Let whoever wants to call Pretoria whatever do so for themseleves, let me call it Thswane and let my black brother call it Pretoria...who cares. It is time to stand up and kick these silly idiots out of government...actually right out of South Africa. Freaking wanting to hit something now! besides, the beggers and homeless will still be begging on those new named streets.

      Azania - 2012-03-09 08:34

      Johnny, you got it right, this country belongs to African and its street names or anything in this land must be named after real Africans, you get that, you are a visitor in this coutnry and you want to control us here as well. No African can ever oppose any of the Western countris on doing whatever it is for its people, Never, but Afrikaner think that they can just oppose anythinig this government suggest or see it fit for its people. Accept it or F*****k.

  • Andres - 2011-11-22 13:00

    "Irrespective of the costs or opposition?" Mayor Ramokgopa, is this a democracy or a dictatorship? If the Tshwane Metro was delivering services at a high standard, maybe the name change "irrespective of costs" may be more welcome, or if a Tshwane-Pretoria compromise was on the table. However, to change names to politically appease of angry and poverty-stricken masses is disgusting and insulting to their intelligence. Ask THEM if they'd rather spend millions upon millions on names, or millions upon millions on houses, schools, roads and clinics.

  • Pierre - 2011-11-22 13:02

    All i hear is blah blah blah, and some more blah blah blah, lol he is a joke, funding for a name is unlimited, but for housing, electricity / water and roads the city council provide limited funding, blah blah blah.......

      Peter - 2011-11-22 14:30

      Yip, Blacks are now slave to blacks bro!

  • Shirley - 2011-11-22 13:06

    Anther reason why this government is a failure! They cannot provide proper sanitation,houses,service deliveries,education,health care,and good policing but they can waste money on this CR#P. If any of those people were alive after whom the streets would be named and they were true to the spirit of upliftment,they would prefer the money was spent on the living future of this country!!!!!!!!

  • Herman - 2011-11-22 13:07

    This country should NEVER have fallen into the hands of the criminal anc regime. Now we must fight for every right, while they use our tax money to do what they like....screw the anc and all their idiot followers.

  • rickey.de.clercq - 2011-11-22 13:08

    My 2c worth... I might not agree with what our current goverment is doing... but the only time you hear about the FF+ is when they are complaining or moaning about something.... Its like they sit around and just wait for something to complain about... How about getting up of your backsides, and DOING something... you know the old saying, 'actions speak louder than words???'

  • Saksak Motsepe - 2011-11-22 13:19

    FF+ exists only to protrect Afrikaner interest. They continue to push the 'us and them' agenda

      rickey.de.clercq - 2011-11-22 19:52

      Much like Malema eh??

      jody.beggs - 2011-11-24 16:53

      @Saksak Motsepe that's what should be the beauty about Democracy , everyone in the rainbow nation has a political party that's willing to stick there neck out and confront the larger parties for overlooking the obvious. The cANCer is only looking after the blacks and if you disagree you are a moron! But the cANCer supporters aren't the only people in this rainbow nation. For there to be democracy every single voice in the nation needs to be heard and their rights not infringed upon. Or it won't work ! Damn the cANCer racism , save Democracy in South Africa.

  • Ditantane - 2011-11-22 13:32

    FF what? do they still exist?

      Peter - 2011-11-22 14:28

      A little less facebook and more news24 eish bro! Dont advertise your stupidity, it reflects bad on Black people!

  • Dirk - 2011-11-22 13:39

    I cannot help to think that the Apartheid card is close for the name change. Pretoria has history. I feel that some of the ANC LP's and majors are trying to bury the history of South Africa in its entirety and change it to what they see fit, just like the Apartheid government did in the past. Members of the ANC, there has been many name changed at a cost of billions of rands. Let's move on and spend the money on more lucrative activities.

  • Marion - 2011-11-22 13:40

    "Ramokgopa said he did not care about what the media reported about the costs related to the name changes as no amount of money was too much for "recording history correctly"." That's what we have history books for!!

      Pierre - 2011-11-22 16:11

      He does not care cause now it will be a state secret.

      Johnny - 2011-11-22 17:07

      eish marion, but can they read the history books?

  • Bokfan - 2011-11-22 13:42

    You keep Tswiney and I'll keep Snortoria

  • StirMonger - 2011-11-22 13:43

    Just remember the cost must come from somewhere. Government can't create cash - only spend it. From where will it come? I don't think a reduction of car allowances.

  • andrew.arnesen - 2011-11-22 13:56

    Sure, especially when it isn't your money...

  • Wandile Plazmid - 2011-11-22 14:33

    No what the hell! Changing street names for a few people?? No! Then what about the rest who also died and weren't recognized.. This is just nonsense.. After you change the street names then what?! The world won't become a better place.. Service delivery makes the world a better place.. Nxi! politicians have too much time on their hands.. You just wanna change the street names because you think its history.. Stories about people make history not just names.. Current ANC government is just disgusting..

      antoinette.jordaan - 2011-11-22 23:33

      Wow - you know, I actually never thought of it that way, but you're damn right. Half the names I read on streets mean nothing to me apart from when i give directions. :) Stories, now those I remember. Sorry - off the topic, but just had to share. :)

  • Get - 2011-11-22 15:06

    Why does the new government have this idea that if you change names the past will be forgotten,(and all the current stuff ups will be ignored) however if you look at the schools they have stopped teaching how africa was born and Jan Van Riebeek never existed in the new school cirriculem

  • Hofmeyr - 2011-11-22 15:16

    WHAT ABOUT ALL THE WHITE PEOPLE THE GETS KILLED AND RAPED BY BLACK PEOPLE / POLICE MEN EVERY DAY!! WHY DONT THEY GET REMEMBERED?

  • Cristina - 2011-11-22 15:21

    Come on, as if there's nothing better to do with your time..leave the name alone!! I mean really..what?!, does the name PRETORIA give you nightmares or what?!!! try fighting crime in PRETORIA first, only then you might be adding something of value to the capital..ok!!!..another attempt at throwing money down the drain..or better still..why not use that money to better public facilities, like hospitals, schools, public parks..etc..darn..the list is far to long to mention!!

  • Deon - 2011-11-22 16:00

    Read between the lines. They already spend it!!!!!! Trying to cover up, send someone to check their books.........THE WHOLE LOT IS CORRUPT!!

  • Paas - 2011-11-22 16:35

    Wonder if the Mayor's history will also record the !Xa San clan who were massacred on the banks on the river now known as the Apies, by a Setswana war party.

      jody.beggs - 2011-11-24 17:02

      The answer is no. Either Zulu or Xhosa , that's it , no Indian history or coloured history, or any of the other of the official languages... Its a shame really , massive reverse racism and the cANCer can't see it ? Damn just the black history , save the true South African history of everyone.

  • Fanie - 2011-11-22 16:42

    just had a thought: Afrikaans name creates expectations of good service, change the name and expectations drop

  • danielm10 - 2011-11-22 16:50

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      Shirley - 2011-11-22 17:37

      Soon to be PRE_PRETORIA

  • andreviljoenjoubert - 2011-11-22 19:54

    "To Change is human; to Progress, Divine."

      Heinrich - 2011-11-22 21:39

      They got no clueman, just regress,decline.

  • James - 2011-11-22 20:10

    I say it's time to bare arms. It will be to late when they come for us!

      Zulu - 2011-11-22 20:45

      Yes James, I agree. Stretch out your bare arms and engage peacefully.

      Heinrich - 2011-11-22 21:42

      Ah! Lying in the arms of Mary. Bear with me...

  • Mavuka Komati - 2011-11-23 06:56

    But seriously mayor out of all what's happening in pretoria this is the first thing you can think of while in office ... Take a walk in the streets of PTA see the disastrous environment people live in (safety,health,crime..homeless kids in ur city ) who will benefit from changing the name cause we gonna die and live it like that come on PLS mzansi

  • retha.marais - 2011-11-25 14:29

    use the money to build houses idiots!

  • Motenethe1 - 2011-11-25 14:41

    Tshwane, Tshwane, Tshwane, Tshwane, Tshwane, Tshwane, Tshwane, Tshwane, Tshwane, Tshwane, Tshwane, Tshwane, Tshwane, Tshwane, Tshwane, Tshwane, Enough of Pretoria.

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