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Pretoria's name to stay as it is

2012-03-23 08:30

Johannesburg - Pretoria looks set to keep its name, but about 27 street names in the capital will change, according to a report on Friday.

This is the ANC's "offer" in behind-the-scenes negotiations currently under way in the controversial name change battle, Beeld newspaper reported.

The Tshwane metro's mayor, Kgosientso Ramokgopa, met opposition party members to discuss the issue on Thursday. The council announced in 2008 that the names of many streets "that were offensive because of their colonial and apartheid associations" had been identified.

New names for these streets had been identified in a draft document drawn up by the council. Only two street names, Pretorius and Paul Kruger, had been retained.

Others, such as Schoeman, Van der Walt, Andries, DF Malan, Prinsloo, Genl Louis Botha, Skinner, Kerk, Walker/Charles, Queen Wilhelmina, Voortrekkers, Mears, Beatrix, Hendrik Verwoerd, Hans Strijdom, Vermeulen, Potgieter and Duncan, would change.

Opposition parties were still trying to retain the names of Church and Voortrekker streets.

Ramokgopa was expected to make an official announcement next week.

Brandon Topham, DA leader in the Tshwane metro council, said his party was delighted the ANC seemed to be trying not to push the name changes through in an insensitive manner.

"Everyone's history should be reflected in the city, and nobody is going to end up 100% happy with the process," he said.

Comments
  • Johan - 2012-03-23 08:36

    Why do they want to change names? Pretoria never was anything other than Pretoria!

      Jack - 2012-03-23 09:33

      I would be happy to lay you and your simian friend Kolobe out in a boxing ring. Even if the name changed I would never have used it as such......Pretoia until Jezus returns ;)

      BJ - 2012-03-23 09:39

      znpshielo, why don't you go back to Phokwane, seems an appropriate place name for you to come from. And exactly was ThabaTshwane spelled in Sepedi before Johan's grandfathers introduced the alphabet to yours?

      Samantha - 2012-03-23 09:40

      @ zboshielo. Thank you for your comment. You have clearly pointed out that name changes are the least of our worries. We need more money spent on education, etc. Changing names of streets (which is a European invention), cost tax payers MILLIONS of rands to change. I however, seem to care MORE about the well being of our country's people. Lets fix the problems that we, South Africa currently have. And less worry about street signs, maps, etc. Don't you think?

      Marion - 2012-03-23 09:49

      Why in heavens name would they want to change Church Street? It is not named after an 'apartheid' figure? @zboshielo - Pretoria is the name of a city, not a piece of open land. The area may have been called Thaba Tshwane before it was developed, but face it there was no city there. Probably not even villages on that exact spot. @Kolobe - the 'land' is already called Tshwane. Name changes can be altered as much as the government chooses, but it will not improve the quality of life of South Africans. It is a hollow victory in my opinion. Rather build new suburbs with streets, schools, hospitals etc., and name the new areas after the people who fought for freedom in SA with the money that is being wasted on all these name changes which costs the taxpayer and the economy millions.

      Bonjo - 2012-03-23 09:52

      More importantly, there are other pressing issues that need to be attended to. How is changing a city's name going to benefit the masses? Let's just get our priorities in order please...

      Samantha - 2012-03-23 09:56

      @ Lebo. I couldn't agree with you any more. Spot on! .

      BJ - 2012-03-23 10:20

      Come people, let's not take somebody who legally changes his name from Molato to Zorro seriously.

      Samantha - 2012-03-23 10:21

      @ zboshielo....take a look at the story (News 24) Education worse than under apartheid.

      Karen - 2012-03-23 10:45

      @Zboshielo I have a suggestion for you : Lets demolish all buildings & infrastructure in Pretoria, then you can build your own city and call it what you want - Tshwana or whatever. Unfortunatly the name Pretoria comes with everything you so dearly like in PRETORIA!

  • safaricarl - 2012-03-23 08:38

    It shoud stay Pretoria as the world knows it as our Capital City!

      sandra.j.rennie - 2012-03-23 09:05

      Exactly safaricarl. When the world talks about Pretoria they know it's us and exactly where we are ! Who the hell would know how to pronounce Tshwane except South Africans and especially when the time comes to borrow money from the IMF.

      Marion - 2012-03-23 09:50

      @zboshielo - did you see on tv last night that the Dutch government is investing approx. 1.6 BILLION rand in NHI? That is the world that is caring about YOU.

  • Henri - 2012-03-23 08:40

    For the sake off change, dont they think this country has changed enough, good riddens, change for the worse.

  • Bryan - 2012-03-23 08:40

    This is where South Africa's problem lies... Millions spent and thousands of valuable man hours wasted on such trivial bulls**t instead of focussing on important issues such as education, education and that other important thing called, Yes, you guessed it....Education! Wake up you bunch of arrogant, over-fed and useless dimwitts, you are busy destroying a generation of youngsters with your pathetic, self serving hogwash!!!

  • david.streicher - 2012-03-23 08:41

    do not dare remove the r in proes and priel!

      Marion - 2012-03-23 13:09

      Definitely roflmfao at this comment.

  • Tammy - 2012-03-23 08:42

    Pretoria bo!

  • Shenaazmo - 2012-03-23 08:42

    They finally came to their senses...

      jan.duplessis3 - 2012-03-23 09:00

      Tot volgende "weirdo" aan bewind kom!!!

  • Andres - 2012-03-23 08:43

    Finally, some clarity on the issue. I really believed it was a good compromise having the metro named Tshwane and the city-proper named Pretoria. We need to accommodate ALL population groups in the new South Africa. Bringing in new historic context is good, wiping out history is bad.

  • Werner - 2012-03-23 08:45

    Spending money on mindless things again. Guess the ANC must have sorted out the state hospital funding, the acidic water problem and the work shortage then... Must be swell caring so little for the common folk, never a worry in the world. Julius is right in that we need a revolution, but just without his ideals! This country is going to fail and all because our "leaders" did'nt get to read animal farm, or in some cases could'nt.

  • Jennifer - 2012-03-23 08:45

    With the education system in such a shambles, few people will be able to read the road names anyway. If only they were so interested in educating people as much as this name changing malarky. ANC how much money have you spent in your twenty years in power on your whiskey and bunkers anyway. TIME FOR CHANGE

  • DuToitCoetzee - 2012-03-23 08:47

    I hv heard there is a street corner that is very "famous" in Pretoria. Bloed Str and something? Please do not change those two name. I believe the "gentlemen", looking for "ladies of the night", will get very confused.;)

  • sesom - 2012-03-23 08:47

    street names to change? Whats the matter with those idiots....too much money to waste...leave it alone..you dumdheads.

  • Marelie - 2012-03-23 08:49

    Surely we can utilize the millions it will cost to change the name of a city or 27 street names otherwise... Towards extensive toll fees for roads that should have been paid from millions we contribute towards tax

  • lindsy.williams - 2012-03-23 08:53

    ePretoria maybe ? they should be fixng the problems within the country.Street names arent bothering anyone as much as unemployment, poverty,crime etc is...

  • Derk - 2012-03-23 08:58

    another good investment by the All Now Corrupt,how many millions is this going to cost?

      Lanfear - 2012-03-23 11:13

      @ zboshielo - now that is a blatant lie. The old NP regime was AS corrupt as the ANC, but Zim takes the cake!

  • Ursula Forrest - 2012-03-23 09:02

    Why can't this bloody government stop wasting money on changing stupid street names and start spending real money where it counts - housing and education for uplifting the nation!

      Felix - 2012-03-23 09:58

      Which is about a quarter as racist as you zbosha.

      Lanfear - 2012-03-23 11:27

      @ zboshielo - so if we criticize the government we are racist? What bullshyte!

  • Agedah Alex - 2012-03-23 09:09

    An uneducated electorate should be more demanding for service delivery,but in S.A,the government is failing yet they can still the poor,thats they have time to talk about name change

      zboshielo - 2012-03-23 11:04

      @Enrico, what is wrong with being an AA placement? I am proud of it. I am not going to discuss my qualifications.

      Wim - 2012-03-23 22:07

      AA appointment with a 70 IQ? Or is yours 71, which made you the outstanding candidate for your job?

  • Barefoot - 2012-03-23 09:16

    Who is offende aw church street? church. just leave the names as they are we like them that way

  • Mark - 2012-03-23 09:16

    Good idea that, very important that you change the names of things whilst the country falls, and burns, around you. Must give you a huge feeling of importance and of doing something constructive. What a bunch of wankers.....

  • Mirrorman - 2012-03-23 09:24

    Just change the name of the municipality. The city was founded as 'Pretoria' it was not renamed to 'Pretoria'. Place names reflect the history of our country. Changing them means that you are trying to re-write history. Why not celebrate our history worts and all?

  • Mark - 2012-03-23 09:29

    How much is this going to cost again. The ANC are more worried about changing street names and spending unneccessary taxpayers money on this crap while there are more important pending issues. How is a name change going to help uplift the people? How is a name change going to change anything beside a road sign. How about using the funds for housing, poverty, better schools, upgrade medical care aids victims, street children....... The list can go on and on. They might argue that its not much funds but every bit helps. Even if it can better the life of one person then that is one less and it a move in the right direction. But no, lets change a name of a street because it will "uplift" our country. Makes one think what is the mind set of our government. They say they are for the people but look how they neglect the people. Please South Africans lets do something about this.

  • Mandu - 2012-03-23 09:30

    Waisting money on useless cr@p instead of helping the poor. Typical ANC

      Tammy - 2012-03-23 10:34

      agreed

  • DanitoGP - 2012-03-23 09:32

    Why not build new roads instead and give them new names instead or renaming already existing roads??? Build new highways and put Etolls on them. Build new cities and call them whatever. Point is if every incumbent government renames places we are not going anyway as a nation. afterwards what? Expensive meaningless ceremonies for unveiling new names. Who foots the bill, the taxpayer...most of whom do not even vote for the proposed idiocies....

  • mike.ndlovu - 2012-03-23 09:33

    They should ensure new maps and GPS coordinates are updated before launching this. Hope this is worth the resources to be used!

  • ludlowdj - 2012-03-23 09:34

    Does it really matter? everyone I associate with still use the old names and even with the new names being up we all know what is what. The sad thing is that while the ANC wastes millions on cosmetic changes in names etc millions of blacks still have no future or home. Go on a VOTE for the ANC is a vote for FAILURE.

      Ayanda - 2012-03-23 12:49

      tell you wht NP(NATIONAL PARTY) used a lot of hard earned slavery cash to build and statues of D F Malan and Botha, because we had no say we let the flow.

      Marion - 2012-03-23 13:18

      @Ayanda - Do you live in a shack? Do you go to an inferior government school? Are you forced to use government hospitals? Do you ever stop to think what people who are in that situation, particularly shack dwellers, feel about money being wasted on street names when they are waiting till their dying day to get the houses, education and health services they were promised and that are not materializing? I'm sure most of the poorest of the poor would be overjoyed to get an RDP house in a street and suburb named after struggle heroes rather than have existing street names changed.

  • Shiven - 2012-03-23 09:40

    Andres...agree with you 100% boet! Change is inevitable but at least there is some compromise! As for you guys..Pythagoras and Zboshielo..u guys should really take ur silly comments elsewhere...u guys sound like 2 little girls fighting over a tea set!!!!

      zboshielo - 2012-03-23 11:29

      Shiven, stop being scared of robust debates, I know it is not for sisies

      Shiven - 2012-03-23 14:51

      I see you like the word "robust" and "debate" as you use it alot when you cannot defend the nonsense that you blog..limited vocabulary there son!

  • Thabang - 2012-03-23 09:50

    Change is good

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-03-23 10:34

      True...when your underpants is dirty. Why don't we start with the government?

      zboshielo - 2012-03-23 11:11

      DuToit, that's funny...

  • Ariella - 2012-03-23 09:52

    So if the word ‘Voortrekker’ is an offensive street name, will they be renaming the "Voortrekker Monument" as well? Yes certain street names pertaining to Apartheid may seem offensive, but they are just street names for crying out loud. You don’t avoid driving down a street just because it's name is offensive. I'm allergic to shellfish but that ain’t gonna stop me from driving down Prawn Road in Langebaan. Seriously people, if the Germans and the Jews have found a way to live in peace and put the past behind them, then Apartheid can be buried! So maybe our forefathers were complete and utter morons for doing what they did, the street names are there to remind us of their idiotic actions, not to exalt them; to remind us of what they put everyone through and to remind us that they gained absolutely squat from all of it! Quite frankly, I think that the previous generation of apartheid has brought the current generation closer together, to show us what we stand to lose, to show the pain caused and to help us appreciate all human beings from all walks of life.

      deane.bevan - 2012-03-23 10:41

      So the Germans and the Jews live in peace nobody mentions the holocaust anymore or perhaps not Our history is offensive and removing everyday reminders of it can only help ease the pain The ANC may not be doing the best of jobs but greed is a human vice not the ANC's vice The constitution is what should be supported Names should be changed social care and housing provided unfortunately power corrupts be you white, black or green and as long as the people squabble those in power have nothing to fear whilst lining their pockets The people need to unite to rid the country of fear and corruption Let's chase the dream Viva ANC

      Marion - 2012-03-23 13:49

      @deane.bevan - My white skin is an everyday reminder of Apartheid so guess it is time someone removes it and replaces it with something less repugnant. In my opinion changing street/place names is something that should have been put on a back burner until all social ills have been resolved satisfactorily.

      deane.bevan - 2012-03-24 03:31

      Marion how is your white skin an everyday reminder of apartheid? That is a ridiculous statement? Your guilt or your racism would be reminders your skin colour doesn't determine who you are your actions do as do the actions of certain people who have had streets named after them these people need to be removed from daily life It's part of the process of normalisation and changing street names is part of resolving social ills I'd back the call for fewer Mercedes Benz's in government but street names is part of freeing our country from it's past

  • darryl.maze1 - 2012-03-23 10:01

    Its just pathetic that the ANC are more worried about name changes than the education in this country. Oh wait most of them havent even passed grade 8 or woodwork so why worry about education. Look what the blacks went through in America and yet do you see Obama changing street names and cities names??? No because he is well educated and knows whats more important. Here this government is more worried at wasting millions of rands to change street names. Why not when you build new roads and areas u give those areas the new names. Far more cost effective. But because the ANC government is so uneducated they cant think that far. All it is lets see how much more of the tax payers money can we waste on useless name changes. Catch a wake up ANC get the education right first, because uneducated ppl will not be able to read the names of streets.

      Blingani - 2012-03-23 10:14

      Don't be stupid.. Black Americans are the minority and they are still suckers of their masters... If Obama had said that he wanted to address the trauma the blacks went through during the slave era till the 70s I tell you he would have never made it to the white house... Obama had to appease his whites voters so to win.. Im no member for the ANC and probably won't vote for them but I understand that ANC needs to appease its voters and it will do so just like the National Party did to appease you guys.

      Christian J Denyschen - 2012-03-23 10:31

      the sad case here is your mentality blingani do you seriously still think apartheid will come back? i don't want 2 get in a fight or make your anger worse toward whites but you need 2 think with a clear mind on that subject, even whites don't want apartheid back.

      darryl.maze1 - 2012-03-23 11:21

      @Blingani. I am so sick and tired of you blacks bringing up race. Seriously its getting pathetic. Obama didnt have to appease anyone. He knows what is more important. You and the rest of the ANC keep living in the past and no matter what your gonna keep blaming apartheid. Black Americans are not suckers of there white masters either. You blacks here are suckers of your own ANC masters listening to all there fake promises before elections and then at the end get left out in the cold.

      darryl.maze1 - 2012-03-23 11:32

      @deane.bevan- Listen the education then was far better than what it is today. What shocks me is that they are given new schools and when something doesnt go there way these days they burn there schools down and then cry poverty. You too seem to like living in the past. 400 years ago is in the past. Stop living in the bloody past and look to the future. The ppl have the right to learn today and they must use it. But they dont, they will rather burn there schools down, government will do anything to raise the matric pass rate even if it means lowering it to 30% to pass a subject which to me is pathetic. I wanna see SA grow and I look to the future. But if this carries on we are gonna land up like ZIm and the rest of africa.

      christian.denyschen - 2012-03-23 11:33

      Hell blingani don't you think your comments are racist, what does America have 2 do with SA it wasn't white americans who oppressed your people in SA so why the racist remarks towards americans?

      Lanfear - 2012-03-23 12:13

      @ deane.bevan - firstly, you were NOT oppressed for 400 years! Oh please, PLEASE will somebody just teach history in this country!!! Secondly, you didn't have any kind of education systen [except perhaps subsistence farming] here in SA before the colonisers came and brought writing, reading, maths, science, technology, etc. with them. So, although you were oppressed, especially the last 100 years, and did suffer under a cruel regime, you benefitted from the colonisers as well. I do agree though that to expect education to just turn around after many years of inadequate "bantu" education, is asking a lot. Yet it CAN be done! Just look at what one of your own struggle heroes had to say today about the standard of education in the country, she called it worse than the apartheid bantu education. There is actually enough money being thrown at education, the problem is that its mismanaged. Schools are not built, teachers strike, not enough teachers who see it as a calling instead of just a job, children with little discipline. The only problem I really see with children who went to school after 1994, is that in many cases their parents cannot help them with homework [since their own education is lacking] and that so many of them live in abject poverty. Now as to the actual article, I don't give a rats ass if Pretoria is named after Zuma's pet, I do think that wasting that kind of money at the moment is ridiculous when there is such need amongst the people of this country.

      Lanfear - 2012-03-23 12:20

      And of course the worst and biggest problem of all, the poor curriculum and the low standards and marks needed to pass. You cannot lower the standard, all you are doing is dragging everybody down instead of lifting those that need it up. With a community project about 2 years ago I've been to high schools in Mamelodi and surrounds and talked there to matric girls [project was aimed at them] and it was truly shocking how few of them were interested in their academic studies. My black colleague was furious at the girls afterwards, and said when we drove back that all they want to do is party and sleep around and get a sugar daddy, instead of learning. She estimated that out of more than 300 matric girls we saw, no more than 20 were serious about their studies and would like to study further and build careers of their own. We must change attitudes about learning, and also about universities and degrees. More skill-orientated study centres such as colleges and technikons are necessary and school children must be encouraged to follow such careers. Ok, enough rambling.

      darryl.maze1 - 2012-03-23 13:53

      @Ayanda- get over yourself.Look at what your black government is getting away with. All of the get found guilty and when they go to prison they fake a sickness and get out. U and all your ANC ppl have gotta stop looking at the past and get your acts together. The ANC have been in power for 20 years and yet they are still blaming apartheid when they themselves stuff thing up. You are all brainwashed by there promises. The more you keep living and blaming the past well this country is just gonna go like the rest of africa. Your government would rather you not be educated so as to keep brainwashing so that they can steal more from the poor. This country has become far worse in the 20 years ANC have had it and its just gonna get worse and more money is just gonna get wasted on silly renaming and corrupt tenders.

      deane.bevan - 2012-03-24 03:57

      lanfear Just an quick question where did I say I was oppressed for 400years? Have you looked at my picture.The indigenous population were oppressed for 400 years The vast majority for perhaps only a couple of hundred I am white I recieved a priviledged education and upbringing I've used that education to separate right from wrong and believe me those streets are named after some very wrong people South Africa is an African country and I am proud to be African I want to live in African cities with African street names Names of hero's of the struggle not names of evil oppressors I too would say better an uneducated free man than an educated slave Fidel Castro made everyone equal gave everyone a good education Is he a hero of yours? because he is one of mine

  • Blingani - 2012-03-23 10:05

    and again these guys who were given street names were pioneers of Apartheid... I don't want to drive on D.F Malan road like in Cape Town... Why did we fight for when the oppressors still have street names.

      Ayanda - 2012-03-23 13:37

      @blingani u finished nothing goes beyoond this.

      Lwads - 2012-03-23 16:29

      Were you fighting for street names?

  • vaughanh2 - 2012-03-23 10:06

    As long as the new names aren't any current cadres I'm happy as they are just as offensive to me as the name Verwoed.

  • Jean-Marc - 2012-03-23 10:08

    @PYTHAGORAS AND ZBOSHIELO - You guys are like children - No we were here first and your fathers stole it! No we were here first and your fathers stole it! SERIOUSLY>>>>>>>> Grow UP. Both of you are reasons to contribute to racial hatred in this country!

      zboshielo - 2012-03-23 11:15

      Jean, obviously the boxing and other comments have jokes in it, I am a peace loving South African, who like robust debates... however, I am pro-name change.

      Tammy - 2012-03-23 11:18

      well said Jean - think they are both trolls looking for attention

  • tebogo.modimola - 2012-03-23 10:21

    Pretoria Bly Pretoria

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-03-23 11:58

      ...and you shout for the Blue Bull while wearing pink.lol.

  • zboshielo - 2012-03-23 11:32

    I stay in Tshwane.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-03-23 12:01

      ...and shout for the Blue Bulls while wearing pink..as tebogo.modimola above you.lol See, names changes does not change anything, but cause confusion.;)

      Ayanda - 2012-03-23 13:10

      @bling my man, i have one bt my fear is, our grand children will be doomed and confused by the histor that will be written by likes of Andries Pretorias.* watch this space*

      Ayanda - 2012-03-23 13:11

      @bling my man, i have one bt my fear is, our grand children will be doomed and confused by the histor that will be written by likes of Andries Pretorias.* watch this space*

      Ayanda - 2012-03-23 13:12

      @bling my man, i have one bt my fear is, our grand children will be doomed and confused by the histor that will be written by likes of Andries Pretorias.* watch this space*

  • zboshielo - 2012-03-23 11:40

    Thank you NEWS24 for deleting Herman Pienaar's comment. I think he hates black people so much that he will continue using K word so freely.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-03-23 12:21

      I just gave him lip and there goes my comment as well:)

      Blingani - 2012-03-23 12:57

      @Ayanda... Dude you on your own there. Im not invading any man's house... Ayanda build your own house and you will never have to invade houses.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-03-23 13:24

      @Ayanda. You bring the meat. I will provide the salads and Blingani will be invited, but also act as bouncer....or what are you dreaming off?

      Ayanda - 2012-03-23 13:34

      @ doitoit i am here to stay and your fore fathers land i will take it and u will be forced 2 go and stay in cape town to board a ship and go back home...where jan van riebiek came from.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-03-23 14:09

      Ha, ha, ha!! I am already staying in Cape Town and do not have land anymore. See, I saw you coming. When you fight your own self pity and complexes out, I and other, black and white, will be here to pick up the piece to build a better SA. The difference is that you will beg us to do so and therefor have to surrender to us, black and white sober minds, and work according our way.

      Samantha - 2012-03-23 14:44

      @ Ayanda - You are a joke and a mockery to your people. People like you keep OUR country from moving forward and becoming a better place. Your fore fathers would have not been able to fight the struggle without my fore fathers. My fore father fought for your rights. You would really rather create a civil war over land? All over again? Do you really wish to have all your investments pulled from the country? End up like Zimbabwe? If you really wish to go back in time, and take what you feel is 'rightfully' yours. Then fine. Demolish all all things European. Go back to living in huts and catching your food with a spear. If your that passionate about it, then do so. This isnt about a damn street name.....I could care less what the name is. But if your ok with rather spending a HUGE mass of money on such insignificant crap, then please tell your people to stop protesting against bad education, poor living conditions, health issues. Job losses. As we all now know, that piece of metal on the side of the street (which by the way is 8 out 10 times stolen to be sold for scrap metal) is waaaaaaay more important to you. Oh, and education was brought up as a SUGGESTION to BETTER spend the money that is just about to be wasted. If you would rather look back, and say to your children,on how proud you are...cause YOU fought back for a sign. Then two thumbs up for you (Sarcasm).....look it up.

      Ayanda - 2012-03-23 14:59

      @samatha thats funny hey...

      Samantha - 2012-03-23 15:11

      @ Ayanda......I'm sure the topic is really funny to you. Whats even more funny is the fact that you can't even spell my name correctly. Time and time again, you just keep proving my case. Education all the way!

  • jason.nel3 - 2012-03-23 12:22

    Here is a Theory....maybe they put so much energy into the changing of Street names because Joe Soap or whatever politician that can make his voice heard has a friend that could eventually be awarded the tender to change all the street signs, this giving a kick back to the Politician with a loud mouth & make money that comes straight out of our tax payers pockets. The ultimate cover up or Just a theory:)

      Ayanda - 2012-03-23 13:31

      correction Joe Slovo, if thats wat u trying to say.

  • Blingani - 2012-03-23 12:54

    All street names in Pretoria are Boer names... if the state wants to change a few of them to accommodate everyone else the Boers go up in flames... burn for all we care, we will change them... if you think we not fair then maybe you can go to Australia and see if they care about you.

      Ayanda - 2012-03-23 13:29

      @blingani then Ayanda will come and stay in your house with his extendent familly...sweet that.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-03-23 13:45

      @Blingani. One day when having time and "lus" I will tell you who the real Boers are. Not all these that so vocally claim to be. Boers are a part of the group that were later all covered by the "Afrikaner" name. Enough for today. Still like my Namaqwalander status more because we are a selective group that have more similarities(brown/black & white) than with other groups outside that resembles my mother tongue and colour. Some streets can change. One cant be such a hypocrite to believe all names must stay in the names of a minority, but having respect for certain names will be fair and there should be properly consultation with the one's they are associated with to understand which not to change. Even if a certain group single hand build something(said as an example) one always include all that live in that area. It gives a sense of belonging and proud. Saying all this I also admit that gov. change as they wish without consulting the associated groups and through that, people tend to miss trust and shouting. When done properly one would be surprise how much acceptance one will experience.

  • Jan - 2012-03-23 13:03

    If you want your own names build your own city and name it what you want. A typical criminal changes his/her name to flee from justice. So ANC, we have already established that you are a bunch of criminals, what are you fleeing from?

      Blingani - 2012-03-23 13:08

      If you want Afrikaaner cities build them on Afrikaaner soil. South African cities on African soil will be given African names.

      Ayanda - 2012-03-23 13:27

      @ jan u need 2 learn the history behind the names that were given 2 these towns and cities. Typical example Adam Kok his town is Kokstard. Very nice u still have powers 2 fight this name changes.

      Jan - 2012-03-23 14:25

      If it wasnt for Jan van Riebeeck the people in this country would still run around with vellletjies and ticks, and would die from basic diseases. Ayanda, you dont have respect for those who gave you a future as human being, thats why you got Afrikaans and Kokstad wrong, its not Africaans and Kokstard. You sound like a retard.

      Ayanda - 2012-03-23 14:51

      @ jan look at me very closelly, i can spell and pronounce Mandela and Rholihlahla very well coz its my mother tounge, i care less about yo language i am very Lucky to be where i am, coz some of my elders they can not even sign a peice of paper bcoz of yo greedy selfless fore-fathers, flush you africaans and kokstard 2 d drain .

      Jan - 2012-03-23 16:01

      Ayanda. I cant pronounce your language's names but atleast I google them so I know how to spell them, just trying to be respectful, not to you but to all races. You are simply an uneducated racist. http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Education-worse-than-under-apartheid-20120323

  • Ayanda - 2012-03-23 13:20

    let us remind ourselves, that some of the schools in South africa are built by doners from Europe, so lets go ahead and change everything written in Africaans we dont want to be reminded ngo D F Malan, we want Mxhenge street, then education.

      Jan - 2012-03-23 14:11

      YOU need education.

      Ayanda - 2012-03-23 14:41

      @ jan u need to go 2 the sea... Where u belong.

      Samantha - 2012-03-23 15:00

      @ Ayanda....the sea? Is that where you think white people reside (where people live). You need better education (a place where you go to learn, read books, etc) - case closed (meaning that there is nothing more to be said from your part). Give yourself some dignity.

      Ayanda - 2012-03-23 15:07

      @ samantha go and look back in the mirrow and see if your skin is black or white that on on its own will tell where you belong. Ayanda is black he belongs 2 Southern africa, Samantha is white she is from Ghana ha.ha.ha.ha you wish.

      Samantha - 2012-03-23 15:21

      @ Ayanda.....and look at yourself! You belong in a mental institution. 'Things' as dumb as yourself should erased from society, completely. Take a look a a damn map.....you wana go back in time? Ever wondered why the continents fit together like a puzzle? We were/and all are one. But i cant expect you to understand today science when you cant even put a sentence together. Maybe you should read my msg again....and then again...and again until you can understand what I was saying. You racist twat.

      Ayanda - 2012-03-23 15:29

      @ samantha i can be racist the truth hurts, you know where i belong i have already told you where u belong, *bhul........i*

      Samantha - 2012-03-23 15:35

      @ Ayanda.....Yes, the truth is you are a racist. That will just work against you in the future. And yes, you belong in a Southern African mental institution. Most likely run down, out of proper meds with a doctor who bought his license. Just where you belong.

      deane.bevan - 2012-03-24 04:08

      Ayanda I am white but I was born in Africa as was my mother and her mother and so on I am African and I want to share Africa with all my fellow Africans so I do agree Jan should be driven into the sea He is not African he wants Africa for himself and that is not uBuntu

      Badimo - 2012-03-31 22:56

      @deane.bevan get the f outa here you belong in europe you uneducated thing

  • colette.vangerve - 2012-03-29 12:36

    Why change the current historic names and being of Pretoria, its like OR Thambo, to date the international community still knows it as Jan Smuts/JHB International.... whats the purpose, what happened to moving on and generate new history? With all the development in and around Pta, surely 27 new African names can be allocated?

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