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Racist Facebook post - student suspended

2012-05-08 18:35

Johannesburg - A student of the Cape Peninsula University of Technology (CPUT) has been suspended for allegedly posting a racist message on Facebook, the university said on Tuesday.

"[Ken Sinclair] was suspended yesterday [Monday] and won't be attending classes," said spokesperson Thami Nkwanyane.

This was pending the outcome of a disciplinary process.

The City Press website reported that Sinclair posted a message two weeks ago in which he said black people were "fucking brain dead monkeys [who] always skinner [gossip] in their retarded language".

Nkwanyane said CPUT condemned Sinclair's actions in the "strongest possible terms".

The matter was an isolated event and not representative of the mindset of Cput students, he said.

It was not clear how long the disciplinary process would take to complete or what penalties Sinclair could face if found guilty.

Racism on social networks made headlines recently when two models, Jessica Leandra dos Santos and Tshidi Thamana, apologised after public condemnation of racist Twitter posts.

Comments
  • pagial - 2012-05-08 18:40

    News 24, was it necessary to put the f word?

      Ali - 2012-05-08 18:59

      Grow up.

      mario.dippenaar - 2012-05-08 19:00

      By saying "the f word" my mind is already forming the word, so what is the point? At least they are mature enough to leave the arcanic practice behind.

      Charles Dumbwin - 2012-05-08 19:07

      it's called desensitizing and if you watch TV or the movies, then you're exposed to it all the time. News24 is not the blame for the state of the world we live in

      Patrick - 2012-05-08 19:08

      @New24 - was it necessary to not publish the FULL story in this case? Taking two lines from a statement does not a reliable quote make and is just leading readers astray.

      Aaron - 2012-05-08 19:15

      I have no problem with the f word but I do find it amusing that they can write it in an article but you can't use it in a comment.

      ttshabalala - 2012-05-08 19:31

      I suspect that student was a regular on this forum. He learned from the best.

      Jason - 2012-05-08 19:40

      The question all of us should be asking is why his comment on his personal facebook is being questioned? I don't agree with his comment but we need to look at the bigger picture here.

      celia.coates - 2012-05-08 20:05

      http://www.greenitweb.co.za/ict-politics/834-racism-on-facebook-race-issues-in-cape-town-are-becoming-daily-bread-.html The full conversation. Eish :/

      Tuco - 2012-05-08 20:31

      Sorry but I am beginning to suspect News24 has an ulteria motive continuously bombarding us with stupid racist stories. Especially if the perps are basiaclly nobodys. Not only news24 but media in general. There are more pertinent issues to report on surely which affect us as South Africans. If its not stupid rants from iditots like malema its rants from stupid models, and now this? Come we deserve better quality news.

      jmlongwe - 2012-05-08 22:28

      This article deserves a 'YAWNNNN BORING' im sure everyone is tired of this racism nonsense.

      Fussed - 2012-05-09 07:28

      So I see Gorgon Ramsay must be in town

      Merven - 2012-05-09 07:33

      @Tuco, but what do you expect? Malema is not there to write about any more.

      Nina - 2012-05-09 08:13

      Serves him right. No excuse for disrespecting people like that. So much hate??? Disturbing

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-05-09 09:11

      Oh no it's the end of the world because the dreaded devil "f-word" was used. What i do find screwed up is, News24 moderators will delete my comments, because i say sh*t, or f**k, but this article can have the actual word in full view. What hypocrites.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-05-09 09:22

      @Gerald: just by you referring to white people as, "you people," you are being quite condescending and racist yourself. Hypocrite

      Freddy - 2012-05-09 10:37

      yes

      Diana - 2012-05-09 11:36

      @Ali Do you know what really makes more of a man - to know foul language but make an effort not to use it.

      eil33nn - 2012-05-09 12:29

      Thank you Cecilia Coats for the link. This guy is a twat and disgrace. I am indifferent towards ANY ignorance. Ken Sinclair, i hope you get screwed over because you are the biggest idiot ever. Yes i aggree that people aged 28 and under (that is my age) can't complain, because i went to school with kids of colour so apartheid was over then. Dude, there is a way and there is a way.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-05-09 12:41

      Diana: foul language is just words. If your god exists, i highly doubt he would give a sh*t about some word than humankind has made up to describe pooh, intercourse or a vagina. Seriously, there are worse things in life than a foul word. And if you don't like people who swear, don't be around them. I swear and that does not make me a bad person. Of course there is a time and place for everything. I wouldn't swear at a funeral or during an interview. People that think they are better than people who swear are sad, and pathetic.

      willybegood - 2012-05-09 12:44

      FYI... Ken Sinclair is 'coloured' If by some posters comments people of colour cant be racist... then surely Ken cant be... UNLESS...

  • Cameron - 2012-05-08 18:48

    So...once again...he gets suspended....and the racist teachers get "moved"

      johncarlos.biza - 2012-05-08 20:03

      I am always surprised by South Africans who get surprised by racism and the double standards in abundance. By now, you should be acclimatized to the happenings of our societies. I sure am.

      Kolobe - 2012-05-08 21:06

      is he coloured or white?

      Cameron - 2012-05-08 23:41

      Hey Tostsi.. pls die...thanks

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-05-09 09:24

      Nah, according to them (ANC, government), racism is only when a white person discriminates against another person of colour. Not the other way around. Quite f**ked up actually

  • AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-05-08 18:50

    Editor News24.com, Great, can we have the same here at News24 ?? Suspended=====Deleted===Banned !!! Or will you loose 50 % of your comments ????

      Kieron - 2012-05-08 18:57

      This is not news, its dangerous to post an ignorent students post where the only outcome will be to polerise further... What a weak and content lacking story.

      johncarlos.biza - 2012-05-08 20:06

      Agree Kieron. To publish his name is very careless(to say the least). He's a total idiot but he doesn't really deserve to possibly get harmed by disgruntled fellow students.

      Felix - 2012-05-09 12:07

      I wouldn't be surprised if half the trolls are employed at N24 to instigate comments.

  • Frank - 2012-05-08 18:52

    WHERE IS MALEMA WHEN YOU NEED HIM!

      ttshabalala - 2012-05-08 19:34

      I suspect some of you even call his name in your dreams....damn, the guy is no longer relevant yet we have to be subjected to the torture of hearing his name even in his absence. I'm bored.....*yawn*

      Tsotsi-Baby - 2012-05-08 19:42

      Comrade @frank Mangaung is just around the corner. #Power to the people

      Brian - 2012-05-08 21:53

      Malema started all this mess. Since he started his racist tirades years back the country grew more and more divided, culminating in the ET murder and the famous Don't Touch Me On My Studio moment. That man singlehandedly undid more than a decade of hard work towards reconciliation. The fact that people even want him back is disgusting. Politics isn't a religion. Vote for the party that performs best. The DA currently performs best. Even the ANC admits this much. If in the future this changes, vote for somebody else. It's called democracy. Blindly voting for the same party forever because that's just what you do is beyond stupid. Want to know why after 18 years of democrazy people are still living in shacks? You need look no further than R100m parties. What South Africa needs is voter education, not Malema. More free thinking, less copycat behaviour. More individualism, less I do whatever other people do.

      Arthur - 2012-05-09 12:46

      Who?

  • Patrick - 2012-05-08 18:54

    Saw that post this morning actually, had a long discussion over it. What i don't understand is why they suspended him? He in no way involved the university at all in his comment, so what jurisdiction does the university have to suspend someone for something they choose to say on a social networking sight that is in no way connected to the university? Personally on the subject of his update, which is not shown in full here, i feel that he was seriously frustrated with some racism that was thrown his way. Perhaps New24 could upload the FULL story?

      Mewik - 2012-05-08 19:06

      According to Facebook's privacy policy they have no jurisdiction at all and could quite possibly be sued for their actions as it is an invasion of his privacy. As much as I don't agree with him posting such a comment it is his right to practice freedom of speech in a select circle of peers such as Facebook, unless he did so under a group or public profile, which I assume is not the case here. Any friends on facebook are on ones page either because they added you or accepted a friend request, those requests once accepted enter the private domain.

      Gareth - 2012-05-08 19:17

      unless he used their computers or network to post it.

      Mewik - 2012-05-08 19:21

      @Gareth, yep but technically that would be near impossible to prove and facebook most likely won't even entertain the idea of providing such information to anyone as it again would be against their users rights to do so.

      ttshabalala - 2012-05-08 19:36

      Silly Patrick! You know you wouldn't hold the same view if it was a black student who'd been racist. Or would you? See!

      goyougoodthing - 2012-05-08 20:04

      Knowing Patrick, yes he would ttshabs...

      Patrick - 2012-05-08 20:06

      @ttshabalala - Lol, funny you say that, this morning actually i was called an "arrogant colonialist" and told to "f**k off" by three very charming black gentlemen when asking then kindly to please park in another bay as they had parked in my work parking and would be clamped if i parked in another bay. Even though i told them this, POLITELY I was still racially insulted. Where pray tell is my New24 article? Silly ttshabalala.

      johncarlos.biza - 2012-05-08 20:08

      "He in no way involved the university at all in his comment" He did in subsequent comments to his post, and the whole thread went viral at his campus. His varsity was the centre of all the insults.

      onke.tshaka - 2012-05-08 20:29

      Patric, I'm sorry you had to endure such insults in your own country, yeah I said it...it is your country as much as it it mine. yes I will admit, there are black people who are racists, and there are white people who are racists...this is a reality we need to accept.

      Patrick - 2012-05-08 20:48

      @ Johncarlosbiza - Really? Wow, thanks for clearing that up. Nice to find out the FULL story even if it's from the readers :) @onke.tshaka - "it is your country as much as it it mine" you need a Bells! I never chose to come here, but i can chose to be a productive member of this country :)

      luvuko - 2012-05-08 22:10

      'Personally on the subject of his update, which is not shown in full here, i feel that he was seriously frustrated with some racism that was thrown his way.' Guy i readf the both his posts and nowhere did he imply that 'he was frustrated with some racism that was thrown his way.'

      LindiBleu - 2012-05-09 09:00

      with the secrecy bill, is it surprising that this happened? we are not meant to have opinions - the fact that the oke posted it on his profile is irrelevant to many. I agree, he shouldn't have been suspended. I didn't like his content - but it is his right to think it. many people might share his sentiments, especially in the heat of anger but I like to believe that we are not inherently racist - we simply respond angrily. besides, I thought that was what freedom of speech entailed.

      Marion - 2012-05-09 09:41

      @Mewik - Facebook policy: 3. Safety 6. You will not bully, intimidate, or harass any user. 7. You will not post content that: is hateful, threatening, or pornographic; incites violence; or contains nudity or graphic or gratuitous violence. 10. You will not use Facebook to do anything unlawful, misleading, malicious, or discriminatory. 5. Protecting Other People's Rights We respect other people's rights, and expect you to do the same. 1. You will not post content or take any action on Facebook that infringes or violates someone else's rights or otherwise violates the law. 2. We can remove any content or information you post on Facebook if we believe that it violates this Statement.

      Marion - 2012-05-09 09:47

      For ALL those who did not bother to read the terms and conditions on News24, and constantly post racist and inciting comments, their policy states: 5. YOUR MATERIAL AND CONDUCT 5.1 Other than personal information (the collection, processing and storage of personal information is dealt with in the privacy policy (http://www.news24.com/SiteElements/Services/Privacy-Policy-20120413), any material (content) you transmit or post to the Website shall be considered non-confidential and non-proprietary. We shall have no obligations with respect to such material. We shall be free to copy, disclose, distribute, incorporate and otherwise use such material and all data, images, sounds, text and other things embodied therein for any and all commercial or non-commercial purposes. 5.2 You are prohibited from posting or transmitting to or from the Website any material: 5.2.1 that is threatening, defamatory, obscene, indecent, seditious, offensive, pornographic, abusive, liable to incite racial hatred, discriminatory, menacing, scandalous, inflammatory, blasphemous, in breach of confidence, in breach of privacy or which may cause annoyance or inconvenience; or So keep on posting all your racist rants and when the brown stuff hits the fan do not say you weren't warned.

      Gestoffle - 2012-05-09 10:08

      @Marion - it is obvious rules are there to be broken....this is clear when it comes to murders. rapes, theft & MORE, in our beloved country. Cant see any harm in derogatory comments, even if they aimed at me. The thing is, they are just words and depends how YOU choose to perceive them. eg. If I know you are offended by the word "blue" I would continue to use that word because I know it gets under your skin. In a previous comment a called a chap a "boy".... me thinks he didn't read the rest of the comment, as that is all he retaliated on....see the point yet? I knew what would rattle him.... So I think I would rather brown on them, before they brown on me....

      jacqui.c.baumgardt - 2012-05-09 10:15

      I agree. The CPUT reaction is so over the top.

      Jozan - 2012-05-09 13:38

      I'm inclined to agree. We're already living in a nanny state with a little bit more of our freedom slipping away with each new regulation, and if we're regressing to the point of shameless censorship, we have far bigger problems than one guy being a donkey’s bottom. I don’t agree with what he said, but I firmly believe in a person’s right to be a donkey’s bottom. Personally I prefer it when someone uses their real name instead of a pseudonym, if you’re going to be a bigot at least have the guts to stand by your statement.

      Jozan - 2012-05-09 13:45

      @Marion - This is only relevant if facebook was the one taking action against him.

  • Ngaka - 2012-05-08 18:55

    Language is a problem in South Africa..It is high time serious measures are taken about the language issue.

      Godfrey - 2012-05-08 19:26

      Only a problem if you use the K-word or insult blacks.

      Liz - 2012-05-08 20:02

      No Godfrey the problem is bigger than that. Why are so many "non African language speakers" so reluctant to get to grips with at least one local language?

      Aaron - 2012-05-08 20:45

      Liz, English and Afrikaans are also official local languages. I think by "local" you mean "black". English is the de facto global language, anyway.

      Godfrey - 2012-05-08 22:20

      @Liz, do you know how many black kids attending private schools can't speak or refuse to speak in their mother tongue?

      Merven - 2012-05-09 07:42

      @Liz, why must "non African language speakers" learn an African language? The world markets don't speak African languages and there is no future for whites in the government, so they must go into international corporations where African languages are irrelevant. That is to say, if they don't leave SA after University (bearing in mind that they get discriminated against via AA and BEE).

      Liz - 2012-05-09 08:10

      @ Aaron - there are still millions of citizens that are not really proficient in English or Afrikaans. Can't WE just make an effort to be able to get to grips with the basics of their language - not all 11 but the one that is most commonly in the locality we live.

      Liz - 2012-05-09 08:20

      Godfrey Yes Godfrey I do know about the kids who go to private schools and even those that go to some Model C Schools who can't or won't speak an African language. Did you know that in some boarding schools African children are not permitted to speak their own language in the boarding section "in case they are talking about the staff or prefects" (the white paranoia again!) This is why these kids are labelled "coconuts" and it is not a very comfortable label. I wonder what happens if they want to become lawyers and doctors or service provider or even (God forbid) a politician - somebody has to translate for them all the time??

      Liz - 2012-05-09 08:28

      Merven - well I guess its fine if the whites are all off to make their contribution to the world markets - they should do themselves a favour and learn mandarin if they want to score big! ... but if they wanted to contribute to creating a more unified society in SA they would be okay about learning the basics of an African language.

      LindiBleu - 2012-05-09 09:03

      the best way to learn a language is to have friends who speak that language. learning Zulu from a book is not the same as having to speak it in rural Zululand.

      jacqui.c.baumgardt - 2012-05-09 10:18

      I agree. If people cannot use any other words but swearwords or racist words to express themselves, they show themselves to be abysmally ignorant.

      Kenny - 2012-05-09 12:11

      @Liz - Stop smoking your socks! We all understand each other on the page and so should it be in the real world. If it was not for English this country would not even of been on the map!

  • marnalouw - 2012-05-08 18:56

    I don't know how News24 work anymore. I made a general comment,no racism ,no curse words nothing...and they removed it.

      ttshabalala - 2012-05-08 19:39

      If they removed it, they must have a reason for it.

      Aaron - 2012-05-08 19:48

      @ttshabalala Yes, it seems they can't bear a differing opinion. I have now made four posts, devoid of any derogatory words or racism and every single one has been deleted. BEWARE! The opinions you see on these comment lists have been heavily censored and do not represent the majority of News24 users. As far as I am concerned there is now a severe credibility issue with News24 and Naspers and you have to question their motives for posting this article, and the way they are trying to stir up and manipulate opinion. I'm frankly disgusted, and anyone who calls themselves a "journalist" working for this organisation should be ashamed.

      Rohin - 2012-05-08 20:00

      @Aaron - i'm starting to feel that way too. time to head off to some other site for my news updates me thinks. this is so filled with hatred and negativity.

      Aaron - 2012-05-08 20:07

      @Rohin So where do you go for honest journalism in this day and age??

      marnalouw - 2012-05-08 20:45

      @tshaballas Yes...I said you were a douchebag. thats probably why.

      marnalouw - 2012-05-08 21:56

      @Robin I am with you. Freedom of speech isn't respected here. I haven't read much on The Daily Maverick...but it looks good. But yes. M&G seems acceptable.

      Dee - 2012-05-09 03:21

      Yes. I'm find the quality of reporting, comments and consistency in moderating at Business Day more appealing.

      John - 2012-05-09 06:55

      Marnalouw. They have probably given a job to recently unemployed Condom Head as a moderator.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-05-09 09:34

      @Aaron its true. Is there no way that News24/Naspers can be reported for this biased behaviour?

      Antipoaching - 2012-05-09 10:22

      all it takes is some fool reporting your comment and WHAM its gone!

      marnalouw - 2012-05-09 12:11

      @JohnB Haha! Yes!

  • Crracker - 2012-05-08 18:58

    Let's be consistent. Shouldn't the university where Malema is enrolled not do the same, suspend him? What BS and hypocrisy have overtaken this country? This comment is not in support of the student the article is about but consistency and fairness.

      onke.tshaka - 2012-05-08 19:21

      Malema's too dumn to be accepted in any University, he probably was promoted all the way to grade 12

      Tsotsi-Baby - 2012-05-08 19:46

      I thought he failed woodwork? Uneducated?

      Tsotsi-Baby - 2012-05-08 19:48

      Guess i was wrong #Power to the people

      Merven - 2012-05-09 07:46

      As always Tsotsi, as always.

  • Bongani Khosa - 2012-05-08 18:59

    Following ths kind of nonses won't gt u anywhr dis days people hate people thts hw its always goin to b. I dnt even wat thy say anymore swear, inslut dasnt matter no more doesn't hurt anywhr now does it?

      Gestoffle - 2012-05-08 21:14

      Did anybody tell this tjop that he has a 1500 character space....no need to abbreviate everything!

      Bokfan - 2012-05-08 22:19

      Bongs I think I get your drift. Hate is for losers. Stoflap here is one of them. Good luck bro Bongs there are'nt enough non-haters. Lets make it our job to double the number soon.

  • tanya.viljoen.3 - 2012-05-08 19:00

    What I simply don't get, and correct me if I'm wrong, is why does every article involving \racist\ or \racism\ have to do with a white person who committed said crime. To tell you the truth, before I read the article, I actually guessed whether the person is black or white. And lo' I wasn't wrong at all. It's getting a bit annoying actually... Why should the same \crime\ committed by blacks be ignored or not posted on News 24?

      Voiceinthedesert.co.za - 2012-05-08 20:49

      @ Tamaranui - your comments are so stupid where do you get them ANC101?

  • Charles Dumbwin - 2012-05-08 19:03

    why did News24 delete my comment? What I do? huh, huh?

      Voiceinthedesert.co.za - 2012-05-08 20:43

      @ Charles - if they delete my comments i just comment again

      Bokfan - 2012-05-08 22:25

      You was just being the usual Charles bendejo. Comprende?

      Merven - 2012-05-09 07:49

      Wish they would delete your stupid religious comments. ;-)

  • Pakamani - 2012-05-08 19:05

    South Africa needs strict laws against Racism, or we will never see an end to this grotesqous human prejudice.

      johncarlos.biza - 2012-05-08 20:11

      Unfortunately, the lawmakers themselves are filled with racism.

      Merven - 2012-05-09 07:50

      @Pakamani, and how would you suggest it to be implemented with a ruling party being racist?

  • Lady - 2012-05-08 19:06

    News 24 should be next because they promote racism.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-08 19:19

      Media regulated by Media.....This will change soon,

  • mpholo.leboea - 2012-05-08 19:10

    Bosso ke ena he.

  • Sabelo - 2012-05-08 19:13

    What does a students personal comments/opinions (not related to the institute) have anything to do with his or her academic relations. I think the institute has no right suspending the student on non academic or institute related matters. I don't condone racism of any sort but a case hate speech should have rather been opened...

      michelle.khusu - 2012-05-08 19:20

      The institute is taking action because it is,mentioned in the posts by the student. It has to protect its name and what it stands for.

      Sabelo - 2012-05-08 20:07

      Thank you for that irrelevant comment. I have noted it. :-)

      Bokfan - 2012-05-08 22:28

      Sjoe Broe your thoughts are way above the level of this blog. Congrats. The kid deserves a klap. But the question is.. Who should be delivering it?

  • kim.buren - 2012-05-08 19:14

    I have read worse on FB. Go to 1000000 against Julius Malema. That page will knock your socks off

  • charmainetholakele - 2012-05-08 19:17

    Wow I read his comments but I thought it was just a joke.... things are getting harder everyday!!

      shireen.abbas - 2012-05-08 19:36

      On fb we can't make racism a \joke \ its nt funny and its wrong bt is ur fb acc really foolproof and is it only accessible to you as individual ? I think nt anyone close to you can also go into ur fb acc so can this be 100 %proof it was him ???? Just asking ! Cause I knw lots of people that goes into their gf/ bf fb mxit acc ect !

      Dooie - 2012-05-08 19:41

      @ charmainetholakele Things are getting harder everyday? How hard must it be for farmers living in constant fear of their lives?

  • Kgothatso Kamza Booysen - 2012-05-08 19:19

    racism is more like HIV,u won't rid of it that quick...this thing is past from 1 generation 2 anada...

      Nigel - 2012-05-09 07:40

      yes,but you fail to mention that allllll the old wounds have been opened up by Malema, all this renewed racism & aggression against farmers, is as a direct result of Melamas racism, when you have a prominent political figure standing up and saying whites are criminals, the ANC is for blacks, & singing kill the boer, these are a serious violations of of our constitution & constitute hate speech & incitement to violence, far worse than one student making racist comments on Facebook. Malema (& the ANC) is to blame, they are the ones causing this new wave of racism.

  • songezo.kilani - 2012-05-08 19:21

    Ow boy here we go again in 2 hours we will have 300 comments, blacks hating on whites, and whites on blacks. News 24 i consider this to be poor journalism on your part, you guys are promoting racism, wts next a 6 year old white kid calling a black man stupid?

      Charles Dumbwin - 2012-05-08 19:23

      or a 6 year old black kid singing 'kill the white boer' ???

      janis.moolman - 2012-05-08 19:27

      Songezo I have to agree. News24 like to open articals for comments that lead to this kond of reactioms

      Press - 2012-05-08 19:39

      @Charles Dumbwin - we already had an older man with the mentality of a 6 year old sing that and we all know what happened . . .

  • Tumisang - 2012-05-08 19:22

    Why can't we just all get along for goodness sake????

      Mewik - 2012-05-08 19:32

      Lol I was just thinking the exact same thing! People just need to accept that there are a holes and morons in this world, they come in all colours and sizes. Why it works people up I don't know, to hell with them seriously, just ignore them and let them rot in their miserable corners by themselves.

      johncarlos.biza - 2012-05-08 20:13

      Because common sense is rare.

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-05-08 22:05

      Agree wholeheartedly. For goodness sake and for other sake's.

      Nigel - 2012-05-09 07:43

      we want to, but our so called leaders are the biggest racists, & people of the country emulate their leaders. Not only are our leaders, corrupt, & incompetent, they perpetuate racial intolerance to hide their failure to govern & deliver.

  • Barefoot - 2012-05-08 19:23

    I found this most odd that when people can't understand another's language they assume they are gossiping, and even if they are talking about you it doesn't mean it's all bad just because you can't hear them- this shows a form of paranoia which if we had bigger psychiatric hospitals in S.A a whole lot more people would be admitted

      Liz - 2012-05-08 19:46

      @Barefoot - I am glad you have made this comment! In group situations people happily speak English or Afrikaans and don't give a damn whether everybody understands them - but when an African language is used somehow non African language speakers get all paranoid or assume people are ill mannered or ganging up on them. ..and anyway it is time that we all made the effort to get to grips with a local language especially those who so enthusiatically claim that they "African" and "belong" here.

      Barefoot - 2012-05-08 20:20

      Yeah and that kind of behaviour is also prevalent on the news24 comment section, you'd find that a comment written in an African language gets thumbs down even if a comment written in English next to it says the same thing.

      Struan - 2012-05-08 22:26

      In a formal class environment its rude to talk any thing other than English. The course is set in English the notes are English and the work environment will probably be English. I went to cput and the general disregard for white students by other students at times was disgusting. many students there also had an attitude that the government was privileged to have them attend the university. Many times classes were canceled due to student riots. They destroyed a hostel. I'm not racist but I would rather hey the full story before you judge.

  • Mncedisi - 2012-05-08 19:24

    Its amazing how we protect racist, we shud comdemn that behaviour. As much as we have freedom of speech that does nt mean we shud defame others. Worse he is still at skul was is it that he learning? He want malema

  • sasekile - 2012-05-08 19:24

    Frankly I don't give a d*mn about racists, I don't feel sorry for them whether black, grey, white, purple or pink, they deserve what's coming to them, what make them think they are superior? They must be taught a lesson

      Earl O Tool - 2012-05-08 19:33

      so u agree that this students whole life should b ruined by a few words he posted to his friends in private and which i am sure he is very sorry for saying

      sasekile - 2012-05-08 20:15

      Off course I don't, all racists should be shipped to their own planet for all I care

      sasekile - 2012-05-08 20:15

      What is special about him?

      Bokfan - 2012-05-08 22:38

      Have to say I agre with you but I guess there's more to it than that. Mr Tool Racism is a really unaccepatble way of looking at the world. This kids life wo'nt be ruined. If he is smart in 10 years time he'll be on the lecture circuit telling us all what we should have known already.At 10 grand a ticket.

  • Fourhundredkg - 2012-05-08 19:25

    Aaaah! The power of the internet! Make a silly posting on a social website and it blared across news headlines!

      jmlongwe - 2012-05-08 21:43

      Problem with people is that they think posting on the internet is as anonymous as it seems, until they find out they were wrong.

  • daniel.motlhatlhedi - 2012-05-08 19:26

    eish its a pity that some people wil never change. We only pretend that we are rainbow nation while we are a nation torn apart by racism.

      Charles Dumbwin - 2012-05-08 19:28

      I hope the ANCYL changes soon and stops singing r@cist songs about killing white farmers. I hope they will change !!!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-05-09 10:33

      Hopefully they will change soon. But i doubt it, since the ANC trained them and told them that everything that white people have will be taken and given to the disadvantaged (Malema on Carte Blanche) The ANC is all about taking, taking, taking; yet never giving. Which is what they are supposed to do.

  • Jen - 2012-05-08 19:26

    Terrible comment by alleged perp -I'm the only 'english First Language' person working in my communal office: most of the time I don't understand a word my colleagues utter, to their amusement and I can't help wondering if there are a few 'Ken's' working with me, too ...

  • lownabester - 2012-05-08 19:28

    I dont agree with his comments, but one of his friends must be traitor, Lesson to Mr. Sinclair, pick your friends carefully.

  • Earl O Tool - 2012-05-08 19:28

    another persons life ruined for a comment. one would also think the varsity would defend its students who are understood as being young and sometimes arrogant fools and offer a guidance counselor and some kind of talk to that student, rather than kicking him out. and he never used the k word and i never knew about this incident until i read it on news24 so the damage was minimal and the punishment is harsh

      Lerato - 2012-05-08 19:47

      When applying read the small print - you can be suspended for bringing the name of the institution into disrepute. Remember this is an institution for higher learning and retards like this have no value, get rid of him!

      Bokfan - 2012-05-08 22:41

      Mr Tool the disgusting anc claimed that the criminal racist Malema was also just being young. I'll bet you did'nt buy their argument. Constistency my friend consistency. Thats all we ask.

      Merven - 2012-05-09 07:56

      @Bokfan, and nothing happened to the racist Malema, so why now suddenly so called 'justice'?

  • tsmuavha - 2012-05-08 19:28

    until this philosophy which hold one race suprerior and another inferior is permanently discredited the dream of uniting in our diversity will never be attained..there is only one race and that is the race of human-kind. It is disturbing that young people like Ken still have Verwoed mentality of undermining Africans the world have revolved and so should he. I wonder if Afri-forum is going 2 intervene since they claim 2 have interests of all Africans in heart!

      george.pito - 2012-05-08 19:45

      So why BEE we are in 2012 My friend all the crap crime corruption comes from this source most whites accepted it but no some want more and more and there is nothing wrong with it but you have to earn it. BEE became the scape goat to justify corruption. Do you know how this country can grow. Verwoerd please explain to me the diffrence when a qouta is implemented in school sport and we want so many blacks in a team. How old are you by the way? Are you realy confident if you see a minister like Ivy that it is in good hands

      Wim - 2012-05-08 21:24

      Its not a philosophy, its a proven fact. Just take an IQ test.

      Merven - 2012-05-09 08:02

      "until this philosophy which hold one race suprerior and another inferior" This philosophy is strengthened by BEE and AA. It automatically bring up the question: why do some need AA and BEE to get ahead in life and why did they drop the pass rate in the NSA if we are all equal?

  • tsmuavha - 2012-05-08 19:29

    until this philosophy which hold one race suprerior and another inferior is permanently discredited the dream of uniting in our diversity will never be attained..there is only one race and that is the race of human-kind. It is disturbing that young people like Ken still have Verwoed mentality of undermining Africans the world have revolved and so should he. I wonder if Afri-forum is going 2 intervene since they claim 2 have interests of all Africans in heart!

  • george.pito - 2012-05-08 19:30

    So they published his name and before they can proof anything he probably will be murdered. Thats the implication news 24

      P.I.M.P.DON - 2012-05-08 19:43

      george r u slow or just plain dumb ? Wht proof do u wnt ? A racist is quoted ranting on his facebook profile and u still thnk it might ntbe him.\r\n As 4 publishing his name, who needs approval to name and shame an internet troll ? The white racist model was named, the blk racist chick had even a foto published as well, judging frm it I cannot fall in the trap of calling her a model though her lack of substance uptairs fits the profile........these r nt issues 2 be justified by any means. I say 2 all kinds of racists, Hell is where u belong.

  • Chris - 2012-05-08 19:30

    Wait. What?! There's racism in South Africa!? No ways.. I don't believe you. Seriously though, racism is an ugly little animal, and as hard to kill as John McClane, but common now. Discipline the little snotter and move on, no need to broadcast it like it's an outbreak of meningitis. Since when is what a STUDENT posts on Facebook national news? Ugh, this world is messed up I tell you..

  • rowan.maulson - 2012-05-08 19:33

    While his comment is completely uncalled for, it does open up CPUT to some legal fun I think. I would assume they have no right to suspend him for comments on Facebook unless the comments were posted from a CPUT computer on the CPUT network.

  • Mark Milligan - 2012-05-08 19:34

    What an idiot. Another fool looking for attention.

      onke.tshaka - 2012-05-08 19:48

      WOW...I got to hand it to you Mark, you're the kind of person I'm proud to call fellow south african, hope charlse can learn something from you.

  • Nicky van der Vlies - 2012-05-08 19:35

    uhm whats racist about it? its the truth!

      onke.tshaka - 2012-05-08 19:48

      you need more than a prayer

      Lerato - 2012-05-08 19:55

      @Nicky one day is one day, becareful of your words one day they will come back to haunt you, your kids or even grandkids! 10% of the population can't be offensive to the rest and get away with it always!

      bobby.mykonos - 2012-05-08 20:31

      Onke, Lerato, Samuel, Zandisile, Mandla, Amos please forgive our brother Nicky. Don't let his ignorance affect you.

      bobby.mykonos - 2012-05-08 20:46

      Phae I agreed with this part but tracking him down will just keep the hate going. Just ignore him and those like him and be a positive example yourself. "Every time a white gets mudered by a person whose hatred overcomes them, know that you and your kind have made a contribution towards their state of mind for this to happen"

      Phae - 2012-05-08 22:14

      Thanks Bobby, I meant tracked down and dealt with by SAHRC. I would never advocate violence in any form. Instead of fines these people should be sent on intense sensitivity training to help them understand the damage they cause.

      Bokfan - 2012-05-08 22:44

      Nicky is sitting at ancyl headquarters posting this to cause havoc.

  • zandisile.sitoyi - 2012-05-08 19:35

    Thank you CPUT I don't understand why some people commenting here are against the suspension of this student racism is racism and it is not acceptable. I hope the intire community of CPUT including me will learn something from this. Stop racism stop it.

      Nigel - 2012-05-09 07:45

      I agree!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-05-09 09:52

      Whoever dislikes with this man's statement is a f**king moron.

  • zandisile.sitoyi - 2012-05-08 19:35

    Thank you CPUT I don't understand why some people commenting here are against the suspension of this student racism is racism and it is not acceptable. I hope the intire community of CPUT including me will learn something from this. Stop racism stop it.

      rayno.grever - 2012-05-08 20:14

      And thank you to the school for NOT suspending 3 racist BLACK TEACHERS???

      zandisile.sitoyi - 2012-05-08 20:30

      rayno i have no idea of what u talking about. but hey who ever who didnt suspend them is their choice and i dont give a damn. and do not play your race card on my comment because i am not an expect and you will beat me by experience

      rayno.grever - 2012-05-08 20:47

      You don't need me to beat you because you just defeated yourself by admitting you don't give a damn whether 3 black teachers are racist. You only look at one side of the coin. A blind racist

      Bokfan - 2012-05-08 22:47

      Zandi 3 black teachers in KZN racially abused the headmistres of the school. Instead of being fired they were transferred. So now tell me is that consistent with your views on dealing with racism or not? It dont matter who who the perps or the victime were. Or does it?

      rayno.grever - 2012-05-08 23:13

      Bokfan it seems impossible to reason with some people. You try to present a sensible argument but it just goes over their heads. Zandisile's first comment ended with the words 'stop racism stop it' BUT her last comment reads 'I am a racist and proud'

  • Louwhan - 2012-05-08 19:36

    What if he said SOME blacks behave like that and then said some bonehead Afrikaners behaved like that too? Maybe he does not think that of Ms Mazibuko and likeminded people? Is he a know AWB member? This can open a can of worms. If all facebook pages are probed of all races, South African higher learning could take a huge blow!

  • Herbert - 2012-05-08 19:36

    Why are there marsupials at CPUT?

      Barefoot - 2012-05-08 19:46

      Lol nice one, guess they're having a go at this education thing they heard homosapiens talking about

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-08 19:53

      What are the two of you?

      wade.terblanche - 2012-05-08 20:19

      what are the two of you? The intelligent species.

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-05-08 19:38

    How pathetic can you get. One would think CPUT is an adult institution which would not waste time on nonsense like this. They obviously want to keep racism alive, to please their political masters.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-08 19:57

      This is not nonsense , This behaviour is no longer condoned in a progressive society. It is a criminal offense under the constitution for good reason. we do not want current and future generations to grow up under the oppressive regime of Racism. Any preschool kid knows this, I suspect a man as long in the tooth as yourself should know this too.

      Liz - 2012-05-08 20:44

      @Tamaranui - no he is probably not long in the tooth - but that's probably how the family talks around the table at meal times. He probably also is very vociferous about being "African" and "belonging here" and very offended if anybody refers to him as a "settler" Sadly like SO MANY others he just does not get how utterly offensive his world view is!

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-05-08 21:38

      Tamaranui, I find nothing progressive about a society which clings to racism. Those amping about it are the ones promoting it the most.Show me something we can be proud of. Liz, you start off with some guesswork and then end up an expert on my "world view" ?? Smokin' somin'? Anyway, you guys are both wrong. You don't know me and you probably never will. Perhaps because this race thing will keep blurring your vision.

  • Voiceinthedesert.co.za - 2012-05-08 19:38

    Sjoe, Eina, ouch, if you hit the nail, make sure it's on the head,dead center, with everything you got he he he

  • Dooie - 2012-05-08 19:39

    Well. His statement were racist. Jessica Leandra dos Santos used racism in her remarks (with one word). Tshidi Thamana propagated mass murder in her comments whilst being "angry". Jessica Leandra dos Santos's one word comment got her into deep trouble. 45 complaints against her at the Human Right Commission! This guy, Ken Sinclair, got suspended. And what happened to ? Nothing except she closed her twitter account by her own hand. http://www.channel24.co.za/News/Local/Racist-complaints-Jessica-45-Tshidi-0-20120508 Is this justice?

      rayno.grever - 2012-05-08 20:10

      Don't forget about the 3 racist black teachers who were conveniently moved to another school to carry on with their lives as normal

  • norbert.fuhr - 2012-05-08 19:39

    Ok, so how about this guy get suspended from his work for his racist comments: Besides the fact that some idiot was campaigning in the Free State and sprouting some idealogical crap. Does it warrant Mzwamadoda's response??? https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000486870858&sk=wall Mzwamadoda Madinda Just pissed off by these BOERE who convene meetings around the country organising themselves to kill 30 blacks for every white person murdered by a black person. Makes me feel like reviving the MK Training Camps, train more soldiers and BOMB them out of their homes, farms, drive them into the middle of the ocean Share · 27 April at 12:01 ·

      Dooie - 2012-05-08 19:44

      And what happened to this guy eventually? Nothing....

  • Warwick Bristow - 2012-05-08 19:41

    Making Racist comments is wrong, but come on people why are we so sensitive about what people say about us. If you are secure in yourself, name calling and racist remarks will just go over your head.

      Lerato - 2012-05-08 19:49

      Wait till they start name calling your kid and you will understand how it feels like

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-08 20:01

      This is the problem with people...... Always walk a mile in the victim's shoe before creating your impression, Now had your offspring been victimized due to racism, what would be your response???... Tell your Boy to harden up or be truthful and tell him that no Human being is deserving of that rhetoric and is a criminal event.

      Dooie - 2012-05-08 20:09

      I will agree with you Warwick. Call me a white dog... Who cares. At least I'm white. @ Tamaranui How about people saying all whites should be killed? How about farmers being killed off like pigs? Are they deserving such a criminal event?

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-08 20:41

      No racism should be tolerated by any culture. We are proud of our cultures Now to teach the people how to respect the differences rather than utilize this prejudice to create division.

  • rodney.hamanburg - 2012-05-08 19:42

    As the wise say \speak your mind but always mind what u speak\! how stupid of ken! Cput well done and this should send a message to the remaining racists in denial who feel that social media gives them the right to undermine another race!!

  • ngermishuizen - 2012-05-08 19:47

    are we having a white witch hunt?

      Phae - 2012-05-08 20:06

      No, we still don't get it, and until we do this will continue.

      Bokfan - 2012-05-08 22:56

      No A "dumb a sh..t and hateful attitude to go with it" witch hunt. If that describes you boet, you better run for it.

  • Philip - 2012-05-08 19:52

    They used the f word to make this sound as bad as they possibly could because its a white on black thing, if it were the other way around, no one would even mention it, people would just carry on as if its a normal day.

      sello.molekwa.1 - 2012-05-08 20:11

      It's actually the student himself who used the F word. They quoted his Facebook post directly word for word.

      Bokfan - 2012-05-08 22:57

      Phillip From your observation I take you are ok with racism?

      Lukas - 2012-05-09 10:21

      Even if the f word was not there it still would be bad bra...

  • Rohin - 2012-05-08 19:57

    News 24 - i understand that you're a media site and it's your job to bring us the news - but lately it seems that the motivation is to repeatedly post stories that lead to more hatred and division. How about following the LEAD SA route - and not giving these few racial outbursts the platform - making it appear that this is the norm when in fact most of us - white, black, yellow, brown, pink - are all wanting to get on with our lives and it's just the minority of idiots and trolls that wish to have some entertainment.

  • Thabo - 2012-05-08 20:07

    \A student\ not Institution Spokes person. He does not speak on behalf of the institution. The institution made a wrong move. Appropriate punishment would be a sentence community service @ da nearest township and learn the language/s s/he disrespect.

      Nigel - 2012-05-09 07:47

      good idea Thabo, & what would be appropriate for black racists, we need to come up with this as well.

  • Amanda - 2012-05-08 20:10

    It is so sad! I see by the comments made, that when a person is hurt, he retaliates so harshly in return so as to try and hide it. Where is the self-esteem? Why is it so important what others think of you and say about you. Try and show respect and dignity, when you respect and love yourself, it comes natural to treat others the way you would like to be treated! We all have the same goals and needs.