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Racist gym member banned from Virgin Active

2012-02-13 17:56

Johannesburg – Virgin Active has banned a member after a racist incident at its Sunninghill gym, Eyewitness News reported on Monday.

Lesley Mofokeng laid a criminal charge after he was insulted at the gym in Johannesburg.

A fellow gym member called Lesley Mofokeng a "boy" and accused him of "hogging the equipment".

Mofokeng said: "The guy came and started shouting and said, 'You black guys take everything. We know this is your fucking country, but you do not have to control everything."

Virgin Active notified Mofokeng that the man who hurled abuse at him had his membership cancelled and would be banned from all clubs.

Justice served

Mofokeng said justice was served.

"I am relieved that the message has been sent to people who come to gym with the intention of hurting others."

This incident became public after the Star newspaper reported that a patron of Virgin Active Morningside, in Sandton, was racially insulted by another patron during a spinning class on December 31.

Liz Hleza said the man appeared enraged because she shouted "yebo" in her enthusiasm for the music and the exercise.

"I was so scared and thought he was going to hit me, he was very angry. He said I should keep quiet and kept saying this bloody kaffir, you kaffir," Hleza said.

Dissatisfied


She said at the time she was dissatisfied with the gym's handling of the matter.

Founder and chief executive of the Virgin group Richard Branson commented on the issue on Virgin Active SA's Facebook page, News24 reported.

"We do not condone any form of discrimination at Virgin - especially racism," he said.

He said Virgin was taking the complaints "extremely seriously".

"[We] intend to look at all the facts to reach the right outcome for all parties concerned," Branson wrote.

 - Attempts to contact Virgin Active by News24 were unsuccessful.

Comments
  • Cyrus - 2012-02-13 18:04

    Justice

      Alex - 2012-02-13 18:31

      Cyrus. While this indeed justice, it is not enough. A simple slap on the wrist for criminal behavior. This individual showed total disregard for another human being's right to equality and dignity. He violently abused her Having to now attend planet fitness for his spinning classes is hardly adequate. Although some action is better than no action.

      Wendy - 2012-02-13 19:16

      And yet, the same sort of racism (going both ways) is consistently shown on News24 comments!

      ronzaled - 2012-02-14 08:18

      @Lazlo; i don't condone the stupidity of the government; but don't think for one second that you're the only one who has to look over your shoulder on a daily basis. I've been trying to count the number of times my house got broken into and the lack of progress with the police even with evidence as high as the sky. So lets agree to disagree that life is not rosy for any common individual except for the fat cats in governments seat.

      Jason - 2012-02-14 08:19

      @Lazlo, now we are feeling but a small portion of what blacks felt during apartheid. Is it wrong? YES! but its the truth non the less. Am I racist? NO! But I believe all people naturally choose to be with people of the same culture and belief systems. That doesn't make them racist! I was recently called a stupid F%$ing white in a shop, because I complained to a group for cue jumping, which they felt was perfectly fine because they had someone holding their place in the cue while they all shopped (different beliefs). The only reason it didn't get physical is because the comment came from a woman. Nobody in the shop batted an eyelid, even the white people within earshot just smiled and shook their heads. What would have happened if I called her a stupid black? im sure all hell would have broken loose. their is a huge social problem in this country, there is a rift that is widening between black and white and just like an unsafe pressure cooker, its only a matter of time! We ARE different, that's a fact. Too many people have this fairy tale notion of us all living together in harmony. What we should all be aiming at is working together to create a better South Africa. Black people in this country spend everyday scared of being targeted by criminals, believe me its no pick nick living in a township. We are not the only ones affected by crime. The sooner South Africans stop beating round the bush and actually verbalize the issues the better for all of us.

      Lazlo - 2012-02-14 09:07

      I see my comment was deleted but for what reason I have no idea. @ronzaled - I understand the crime problem is everywhere and does not just affect whites but I feel we are going down the same road as during the apartheid government. We are being persecuted. @Jay - I fully agree. Just a matter of time and this cooker is going to blow.

      ronzaled - 2012-02-14 09:49

      @Lazlo; you're right about that; i just feel that the only reason that zille hasn't won the election yet its most probably that most blk ppl are still holding on the emotional scars of the past government which in turn leads to lack of trust. And i think that's what the current government is feeding on. Its a pity though cause this country has a lot of potential to not just become good but great; but with the current political climate we're basically going down the drain. And your vote and mine will not be able to beat the masses's votes that the current government is targeting and instilling fear on them.

      Sam - 2012-02-14 10:32

      @Alex: perhaps so, but that wasn't up to Virgin, it was up to the victim of the racism. He/she is at liberty to lay a charge and take civil action if he/she chooses. Virgin acted as they should have, within the limits of their jurisdiction.

      Alex - 2012-02-14 15:39

      @Sam, hi. I agree with you completely. I was commenting on the previous situation as a whole. I am feeling a little sheepish because I scanned this article, fairly poorly apparently, and somehow managed to miss that this was separate incident...

      Stefanus - 2012-02-15 12:17

      RACISTS ARE TRASH

      eric.vanvuuren - 2012-02-15 18:23

      So In other words those racist ancyl members should be band from South Africa for all the racist propaganda they let loose over the last couple of years.

  • Gerhard - 2012-02-13 18:04

    and i cant get work because i am white?

      Lunga - 2012-02-13 18:22

      That is a major issue amongst all race groups. Keep your head up and keep knocking on the door. You're bound to get some good fortune.

      Johan - 2012-02-13 18:28

      I know, that sucks. Start your own business. It is not that hard. I just love it when people ask me what is my company's BEE status, and I can tell them the company has 100% white male employees, because it's only me.

      paulmandlankosi - 2012-02-13 18:40

      rhard Kriel, you can't get a job if you are uneducated and unskilled, empower yourself first then start whining

      Mark - 2012-02-13 19:01

      all of my white friends have work. all of my white family have work. perhaps your lack of employment has to do with you and not your skin colour....

      Jason - 2012-02-14 09:08

      You cant get work because you are lazy, there lies the problem

      Deon - 2012-02-14 11:40

      Vasbyt. Many MLM companies except everyone as independent distributors. Contact me if you are stil looking for something.

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-02-14 11:53

      Don't kick a man when he is down, guys. Thank you for being constructive @ Lunga and Deon.

      Morne - 2012-02-14 11:55

      If you want work, you'll find it. Welcome to the real world china.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-14 12:01

      It's got nothing to do with sking colour boet... My friends job hop regularly.. both black and white..

      Gail - 2012-02-14 13:05

      But you have a computer and electricity so why can't you get work? If you really want to work look inwards and assess what you can do that other people can't and offer service. There is no shame in working with your hands. We are all too geared towards seeing manual labour as somehow inferior to sitting behind a desk. I am 63 and have a job which found me when I really am not looking for work. My housekeeper can turn down jobs. I don't buy into this mindset of not finding work if you are educated and can afford a computer and electricity.

      Merven - 2012-02-15 07:41

      @Gerhard, I lost my job twice due to AA but never did I sat without work for more than two months. Hell, I was even a pump attendant at Potch for three years! Now I work for myself and are not doing too bad. To be successful in life is a mindset and choice.

      Stefanus - 2012-02-15 12:22

      @Gerhard, its not because you are white, its because you are stupid and useless

  • John - 2012-02-13 18:07

    Good outcome a bit late but now let's move on.....

      sifiso.mabanga - 2012-02-15 09:36

      @alansmartSnR I agree with you about the lady's lack of gym manners its terribly disgusting, however I think its unfair to assume that the lady brought the "toi toi" antics to the gym just because she's "green" and by the way Yebo is not a slogan.

  • Ayanda - 2012-02-13 18:16

    What if they are only trying to shoo the media away from them. How true that the guy who made that remark has really been suspended? I dont buy this.

      David - 2012-02-13 18:19

      That is plain silly-it is easy to check. Anyway VA has high moral principles.

      Sam - 2012-02-14 10:34

      Paranoid much?

  • Mesulie Vince' Ntombela - 2012-02-13 18:20

    Oh yeah...a job well done!!!

  • Siliziwe Gamuchirai Mapukata - 2012-02-13 18:30

    YEBO!!! *air-punch*

      ronald.stilianou - 2012-02-13 20:26

      I hope it's odorless Byron....

      betsy.compaan - 2012-02-14 10:08

      hahaha! You guys made me laugh! Good one Siliziwe and Byrone. Glad to see someone here has a sense of humour!

      brendonml - 2012-02-14 12:29

      woohoooo

  • Sean - 2012-02-13 18:31

    Now lets see if it works the other way round

      Jason - 2012-02-13 19:06

      Never going to happen dude.

      Sipho - 2012-02-13 23:33

      lelo - u is pathetic, sad reflektions of rainbow nations. i has friends of all kolors - mey be u mus try reach out bit more. it is 2012 - we is moving on. but u is stuck in passt.

      Sipho - 2012-02-13 23:35

      lelo - you is sickeningly smug. really sad reflektions of the realitys of sout afrika.

      Lucille - 2012-02-14 09:40

      Sipho - please, please I beg you - learn to spell. This forum is for adults who can actually string a coherent sentence together.

      Sam - 2012-02-14 10:38

      @Lucille: well said. What a bloody pain in the arse, these morons who think it's cool to write like retards.

      Colin - 2012-02-14 10:51

      @ Lucille - We don't string a sentence together! We string a few words together to Construct a sentence. We can string a few sentences together though!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-14 12:04

      @Colin..lol!! Love watching people get their own medicine!

      Sean - 2012-02-14 13:52

      It can not happen other way around ! Sipho - Most black South Africans are stuck in the past and blame apartheid for everything that is going wrong , they are to blind (maybe to uneducated) to see how their own leadership f@cks them !! The truth hurts !!!

      Sipho - 2012-02-14 16:32

      Lucille, Sam et al. My comments are so ludicrous that I'm surprised you don't pick up the obvious sarcasm. While it pains me to butcher the language, sometimes the only way to respond to extreme stupidity is with ridiculous sarcasm. See it as such, because Sipho is here to stay. The comment by Lelo that triggered those responses was deleted, so some context is missing. She had stated something along the lines of "Get used to the payback of the last 18 years, because there's plenty more to come."

      Sunshine - 2012-02-15 04:42

      Sipho, u's humour 2 sophistikate 4 da masses. U's must make obvious wat u say funny or day get all kross, 2 hard 2 disencryptionate

      Sam - 2012-02-15 10:32

      @Sipho: the comments made is what is known among grown-ups as 'feedback'. Perhaps you could glean the message that what you are doing is not working? I have to say that you sound a WHOLE lot more impressive when you aren't being 'sarcastic' - you need to look up what this means, by the way. Typing like a moron doesn't constitute 'sarcasm' at all. It is quite likely that you have something worthwhile to say - so say it, and impress people, and engage in adult debate. Don't screw it up by using tactics that merely piss people off.

      Mya - 2012-02-15 21:50

      Lordy you have a bit of a stick up your butt Sam. Perhaps you could have made your comment without the insults thrown into it. Morons, retards etc. So much mud slinging going on. Even after Sipho has explained his response you continue to slag him. Chill pill! Sipho, in future use real words and not SMS talk, it gets all the folks hot under the collar! :)

      Sipho - 2012-02-16 01:37

      @Sam - Thank you for the advice and recommendations, since your approval means a lot to me and is a vital component of my self-esteem. As suggested by you, I looked up 'sarcam' in my old English Masters textbooks. While revising, I learnt even more about the English language - I discovered that your statement "the comments ... is" should actually be "the comments ... are". I specially enjoyed #Sunshine's version of English - U's/disencryptionate etc. Had a good laugh, and realised I've still got a long way to go in distorting English as we know it! But I'm not going to be grammar-Nazi. Let's go elsewhere on news24, to look for extreme views to ridicule! Now, hoo is makin stoopid komentz dat need a stupidz resspond?

  • Riaan - 2012-02-13 18:32

    He was probably hogging the equipment.

      Barefoot - 2012-02-13 18:44

      Where you there? how do you know?

      Lelo - 2012-02-13 20:35

      Yeah sure Riaan...

      PB - 2012-02-14 10:28

      Barefoot, read the article again - he WAS hogging the equipment. I'll be catching flac about my comment to follow, but here it is :- If this was about 2 white people or 2 black people, no one would even have taken notice, but because it is white/black, it is the end of the world. This whole woohaa about racism is really getting too much. I take note that there were deep scars because of the past, but sh+t, move on. This sounds like the wimp and the school bully - every time someone looks funny at someone in VA, the whole world gets their nickers in a knot.

  • braamc - 2012-02-13 18:35

    Oh boy oh boy oh boy

  • Burtfred - 2012-02-13 18:35

    What about banning the Ar****les who hog the equipment?

      Craig - 2012-02-14 00:08

      and the ones who dont pick up their weights...

      Onke Dali - 2012-02-14 09:00

      If I pay for my membership and I want to run on the treadmill for an hour, that is exactly what i'll do! You don't go to a restaurant, pay for dinner but don't finish it because there are people waiting to get a table....you wanna use the equipment? Get there early and stop whining like a child....its amazing how much you people complain, it's so annoying!!

      Jason - 2012-02-14 09:15

      @Onke, unfortunately thats where you are wrong. What if you got to the gym and all 10 treadmills were full, and all the guys were training for a marathon and were busy doing a 50km training run? "don't worry Boet! we will only be another 2 hours, but its cool because we pay our fees" its not cool Onke, its actually very uncool. If you want to run for an hour on treadmill then rather run to the gym or do some road work. There are a lot of people who want to exercise and they also pay their fees. A little compassion for your fellow man would go along way.

      Onke Dali - 2012-02-14 09:51

      So you're saying I must pay for the gym but not actually use it for the purpose of exercising instead I must run to the gym? Nonsensical if you ask me, why not speak to the gym to have more treadmills then because its obvious that there's much more demand for them that what's available? Instead a person chooses to label all black people as selfish and equipment hoggers. Again very childish and immature. There are many other scenarios like this where people are just to quick to judge based on trivial things like race. The question is why if not bigotry?

      Jason - 2012-02-14 10:37

      No where on any of these comments re hogging of the machines was race brought into it. A gym treadmill is supposed to be used in conjunction with other equipment and therefore you should not spend a whole hour on it. If you want to run for an hour plus then you should be out in the fresh air dodging taxis lol!

      PB - 2012-02-14 10:51

      Onke, I haven't been a gym member for years, but there used to be a timing light system to make it fair to everyone. First off, I do acknowledge that the Racist Dude should have laid off the race issue. No contest. But ... Everyone pays for their membership (unless it is a freebie from Discovery) and deserves an equal amount of time on the equipment. Just because you are an insensitive oaf, you think your time is worth more than the next person. Not everyone has the whole day to go to the gym and wait for selfish members like you to finish your run. If you have such a huge need for a treadmill - buy your own and use it to your heart's content at home. Maybe Virgin Active and all the other gyms should take note that when there is a line a mile long for a certain piece of equipment, there is a need for more. Duh. These days, being accused of being a racist is supposed to be worse than being called the Anti-Christ/a Rapist/Satan/Pond-slime/a Murderer/etc etc. So the Racist Dude should know better than use that line of thought - it WILL come back to bite you. And for the black people out there, stop making EVERYTHING a racist issue - if you are being an ass, accept that you are acting inappropriately and move on, don't immediately make it about your skin colour.

      Onke Dali - 2012-02-14 11:04

      I think I'm just gonna do yoga from now on...no equipment needed and I can't think of any scenario wwhere i'd have to shout "Yebo" in excitement.

  • jandreleroux - 2012-02-13 18:38

    It is good that this was settled. My guess is that all the complaints will come from the leftists and right wingers. They will be saying the same thing just in one post the good guys will be darker and in the other a bit lighter. It is ironic that they actually agree on so many things they just dont realise it because of their colour bias. Shame!

      alansmartSnr - 2012-02-14 17:44

      I am a racist, a real bad racist..but my racisism is not about colour at all. Green, purple, white, pienk, yellow, brown, and black. I'm mentally colour blind. My extreme racisism is only about intelect. I abhor and detest stupidity.. and I honour and try and associate with intellectuals. I consider the average person as my equal.. other than that my racisism comes into play. I think that should be the criteria that all of us should implement.. we would then be more patient and understand each other better

      Garth - 2012-02-15 07:30

      Not so smart: `extreme racicism'? `pienk'? `intelect'? Racism: `is the belief that inherent different traits in human racial groups justify discrimination'. Race: `is a classification system used to categorize humans into large and distinct populations or groups by heritable phenotypic characteristics, geographic ancestry, physical appearance, and ethnicity.' Both definitions courtesy of Wikipedia. Maybe the phrase that you are looking for to best describe yourself is: `Inherently intolerant of other people's stupidity'? So, should we raise you up and place you upon the same pedestal as BlankPoint?

  • Joelene - 2012-02-13 18:40

    Hit him where it hurts most.. His pockets.. Lifetime ban and a very hefty fine payable to the person he has abused.

      Jason - 2012-02-13 19:08

      which incident? the guy with the woman yes but not the first guy.

      maria.wayne - 2012-02-14 07:32

      Sipho - please tell me you are being facetious with your spelling and grammar?

      Sam - 2012-02-15 10:35

      C'mon, Joelene, you can't be serious. Where would a gym get the right to impose a fine on someone? Next, Pick 'n Pay will fine you if you bump someone's ankle with your trolley, or Woolies will make you write lines if you put cookes back on the shelf skeef. Get real, and if you can't, then keep really, really quiet.

  • Vegi - 2012-02-13 18:41

    Banning this man is not enough, he should be expelled from the country.

      Jason - 2012-02-13 19:08

      if everyone was expelled due to racism no one would be left here.

      Irene - 2012-02-13 19:54

      How old are you Vegi? Quite obviously still wet behind the ears boy.

      Lucille - 2012-02-14 09:41

      You have got to be joking!!!

  • paulmandlankosi - 2012-02-13 18:41

    Well done VA

  • Peter - 2012-02-13 18:45

    oh harden the F^%& up south africa...

      bfvillet - 2012-02-13 19:27

      please leave

      Craig - 2012-02-14 12:26

      what happened to the days where if someone insulted you it would be taken outside and settled like men? freakin guys are becoming wimpier by the day.mommy he called me a name boo hoo.

      Merven - 2012-02-15 07:51

      @Craig, like what happens in the schools? The chances are 80% that the one dude will stab the other dude in the neck with something.

  • beaglesr - 2012-02-13 18:50

    A double bells for virgin active!

  • Vegi - 2012-02-13 18:51

    Gehard Have you forgotten about the Colour Bar Act. For that matter you can start your own business like other people instead of whining and whinging.

      Jason - 2012-02-13 19:23

      Vegi, Im sorry but Im no longer going to read your comments as I despise racists hiding behind some guise of reason.

      Vegi - 2012-02-13 19:54

      Jason Did I invite you to read my comments in the first place. You should also be deported for stupidity.

      Merven - 2012-02-14 07:36

      Vegi is the type of idiot that will be hogging the equipment.

      Lorenzo - 2012-02-14 09:06

      @Vegi “Did I invite you to read my comments in the first place” … umm this is the internet. No invite is needed for people to read your ridiculous comments. Now stop hogging the gym equipment… and the roads!! Lol.

      Celtis - 2012-02-14 13:34

      Vegi probably lives abroad and love to stir smelly stuff to get reaction. Must say I do not miss him/her/it

      bruning.vankriekenbeek - 2012-02-14 22:38

      Selling a hut in the Ciskei and 7 goats won't buy Vegi residence abroad. Besides, unlike the Ciskei, you also actually need a useful qualification to get abroad these days. First world countries aren't happy to harbour labourers who live from hand to mouth...

  • Pierré Jordaan - 2012-02-13 18:56

    I see the bandwagon is starting again: what is the outcome of the investigation of the "black on white" racist hatred uttered in a public forum (Virgin Active Facebook page) by Malavi Mapimele against white South Africans?

      Pierré Jordaan - 2012-02-13 19:16

      The result of the Sunninghill and Morningside incidents is available in the media, could we please get the same type of reply? Was it also investigated by Ross? Was the member also banned from all VA clubs? Please come with the facts so we all can move on and so that the FB page can also go back to normal.

  • ISO - 2012-02-13 19:17

    This jerk should be banned from everything!

      Lunga - 2012-02-13 19:21

      Not everything. Hopefully he's learnt his lesson, and will thus adjust his behaviour accordingly. Someone should be punished until they learn, not forever, otherwise their behaviour will remain bitter, and thus abuse more people. We do not want that.

      bfvillet - 2012-02-13 19:24

      all racist like pro afrikaans and his ilk should be banned out of south africa and please most afrikaans people are not like the lot speaking here as if they represent afrikaners.

  • Thabo - 2012-02-13 19:23

    What is wrong with coexistence!

      Jason - 2012-02-13 19:27

      nothing. possible? yes

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-14 12:10

      @Thabo, we looking at the wrong generations, give it time it's right around the corner.

  • Alan - 2012-02-13 19:29

    Funny how the word of anyone accusing another of racism is always taken as the gospel truth..

      Merven - 2012-02-14 07:42

      Not always, only if the 'victim' is black.

  • Charmaine - 2012-02-13 19:45

    This is a Fact of life here and all over this world, was, is, will it be the same in the future? Racism will never die just yet, perhaps some day,

  • keith.staniford - 2012-02-13 19:47

    @Lunga, if Nicola must get over the K word, then why do your pigmented nation not get over the word apartheid? Like racism it works both ways!! Get over it!!

      Duncan Thabiso Mphailane - 2012-02-13 19:57

      Do you get offended when you hear the word apartheid or see an apartheid documentary showing the brutality of the afrikaner regime towards Africans?

      Lunga - 2012-02-13 20:06

      Lol... This is best discussed over beer. So, I invite both you and Nicola for a "beer conference" to discuss the matter at hand. I wouldn't be able to get through to you behind a computer screen. First, to discuss such an issue, the parties concerned need to establish some common ground. And, chances are the three of us have a lot in common, which would smooth things over a lot and lead to a mutual understanding. Beer conference, is it on or not? Your call.

      Merven - 2012-02-14 07:44

      Not at all Duncan, I do get upset when they only show the one side of the story, you'll never see in any of these documentaries how the ANC targeted shopping centres, banks, churches and farms, women and children.

      Garth - 2012-02-14 10:15

      @duncan the racist - I ask again: Please, for the good of all readers here, define `African'. Then define `American', `Australian', `European', `Asian', `South African', `Italian', `Iranian' and `Racist Porksword'.

      Gail - 2012-02-14 18:57

      @Duncan. I am not so offended by seeing the word apartheid or programs on TV about it as I am just tired of it and want to get on with enjoying the freedoms we have now that were denied to us back through the 60's -94. I know that I actually wanted to vomit when a large Book chain used a bench in its window in a mall to advertise South African books a couple of years back. It offended me back then and it does more than offend me now to be reminded of the cruelty of those times which kept us apart. Not so long ago when I told my 90 year old Mom that I was sharing my house with an ex MK cadre who is black the first thing she said was "what will your friends think?" I said I didn't care since I was sharing the house with him not them. I remember as a child how very demeaning I found it that I had to measure bread with two fingers and cut it thick for our nannies and the ladies in the kitchen when we ate it thin. It also had to be on a tin plate but they washed the plates we ate off which were pretty china. All the locking of doors too seemed such a bore and time wasted. I totally vowed that I would never do that to anyone who worked for me and I never have going back to the 70's and I've never had cause to regret that either. I get offended by the words colonialist/imperialist because I feel that in a sense we are all colonialists here on the Southern tip as we all come from somewhere else and as our borders are not protected I see myself as more Safrican than Somalians etc.

      Gail - 2012-02-14 19:01

      But Merven it was a war and lets face it who can ever forget the blatant propaganda of Cliff Saunders and the slanting of TV news from 76 onwards. In a strange way I smile when I watch TV these days and see it slanted the other way, you know the Unilever ad where the African lady smacks the white woman with a fly swatter? It is such a parody of how it used to be.

      Merven - 2012-02-15 07:55

      Gail, there is a huge difference between a war and terrorism. If it was a war the entire ANC would've been fighting on the Angolan border against SA troops, not the public. That is also the difference between a freedom fighter and terrorist. A freedom fighter target military targets, terrorists target the public.

      Nonhlanhla Nkambule - 2012-02-15 13:09

      Merven, Merven your STUPIDITY knows no bounds.

      Merven - 2012-02-15 14:42

      The mere fact that you don't know the difference is clear proof who suffers from stupidity.

  • Hannes Bosman - 2012-02-13 19:49

    amazing...!!! why always asume it is the afrikaner... stereotype ass!!!

      Merven - 2012-02-14 07:45

      Yip, clearly English people never say anything racist.

      Jason - 2012-02-14 09:25

      Nope we dont we are little angels caught up in the turmoil between you lot! ;)

      Jason - 2012-02-14 09:45

      Wow seriously a thumbs down, obviously my sarcasm didnt come across. lol

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-14 12:41

      @Merven, English as in Scottish? Irish? British? Australian? American? :)

      Garth - 2012-02-14 15:49

      @BlankPoint - what an idiotic comment! The master of inanities strikes again.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-14 16:04

      @Garth, I see you saw my diss about you. It explains why you pant after me desperately trying to insult me.. Move on dude, the rules are simple, if you insult people do not cry when you insulted back.

      Gail - 2012-02-14 19:10

      Totally! My uncle and his family were NP supporters to the hilt (our side was fearfully aware of that and avoided them like the plague).They had nothing but contempt for us poor whites back then. By the same token my Mom's family were very anti-afrikaans and quite horrified when one of my cousins married a very Afrikaans girl. It all just seems so childish now and I don't do childish too well or stupid and never have.

      Merven - 2012-02-15 07:57

      Let me put it to you in this way PointBlank, according to blacks, if someones speaks Afrikaans, you're automatically a racist.

  • laren.reddy - 2012-02-13 19:52

    Damnation to racism! However, If social ettiquette is compromised people with limited emotional intelligence will react with their core beliefs! Gym should be a "temple" of stress relief and social interaction. We need to understand the customs and traditions of the "Davey Crockets"! My article on this term will follow shortly!

  • Christo - 2012-02-13 19:55

    I'm waiting for the day when Africa will develop something…

      Irene - 2012-02-13 20:08

      Don't hold your breath.

      Vegi - 2012-02-13 20:45

      Europe developed the Iron Maiden and the only known furnace where humans (heretics and witches) were roasted alive as well as the wheel for breaking human bones and ripping human flesh. The benevolent continent of Africa does not need such evil inventions.

      Donaker - 2012-02-13 22:27

      @ vegi at least they had the wheel, and let's see what else, medicine, education, seafaring, and most of all: the written word that you are using to express this drivel with

      Sipho - 2012-02-14 00:00

      yes, vegi. tell dem how it is. europe developed all the bad torture things, while we in afrika was already inventing and using the internets!

      Jason - 2012-02-14 09:27

      @Sipho - "Say What?"

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-14 12:43

      Actually Africa already had Maths, Science and geography.. Have any of you ever been into Africa??

      Garth - 2012-02-14 15:52

      @BlankPoint - another inanity - buy a brain! Where do you think these comments are coming from? Europe?

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-14 16:05

      @Garth, you stalking me punk? I only allow my dog to pant at my feet.. Move on.

      Merven - 2012-02-15 07:58

      Lol PointBlank, stop reading ANC propaganda.

      Garth - 2012-02-15 14:54

      Sorry to all of you other readers, but I can not resist: `@Garth, I see you saw my diss about you. It explains why you pant after me desperately trying to insult me.. Move on dude, the rules are simple, if you insult people do not cry when you insulted back.' What is it that you are trying to say BlankPoint? I'll add to your delusions by stating that I `looked up' your profile and . . . in the immortal words of Captain Flashheart: `What a poof!'

  • Wendy - 2012-02-13 20:00

    Racism, going both ways, seems to be constantly allowed on News24 comments. So, why are so many people having a problem with it at Virgin Active?

      Barefoot - 2012-02-13 20:12

      At times it seems like it is being promoted, with blatantly racist comments not being deleted

      Jason - 2012-02-14 09:30

      Im not sure they should be deleted, i think we hide too much from the truth. I also strongly believe that in any conflict between black and white people immediately scream racism. when in fact its just an argument between 2 people. We are way too sensitive!

  • Pixie86 - 2012-02-13 20:31

    you guys are so immature! Like dogs, news24 threw a bone at you and then you started picking at it each other for the bone! Grow up! For goodness' sake! Racial issues are for hillbillies and idiots! I thought you were above all this.

      Sipho - 2012-02-13 20:35

      I agree, shame on all you racists!

      Pixie86 - 2012-02-13 20:39

      shame on anyone who's still so narrow minded they can't see past colour and have to make even the damn sunrise a race issue!

      Nonhlanhla Nkambule - 2012-02-13 20:53

      Pixie86, my S/HERO for the week. I didn't know such levelheadedness & clear thinking existed in my country still. You give me hope. Thank you.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-14 12:47

      @Jay, I looked but couldn't see anything in Pixie86's comment about sticking her head in the sand and wishing it would all go away. You creating things that aren't there, typical of an idiot. Yes debate is needed in this country but let's be honest, News24 comments are far from being a constructive platform. It is filled with hypocritical bigots like yourself.

  • Leahfrancisca - 2012-02-13 20:37

    The guilty party should be named and shamed, behaviour like this is unacceptable......

      Morne - 2012-02-14 13:20

      It's ghastly! Abssolutely GHASTLY! (Stiff upper lip)

  • Sipho - 2012-02-13 20:46

    The real question is, does Virgin Atlantic employ any black people?

      Sipho - 2012-02-14 00:13

      well said, sipho. why dis european company Virgin Atlantic employ european people from the UK? we mus put a stop to it!!!!! Virgin Atlantic is racist if they employs white peoples! they resist transformation,why they dont use affirmative actions or bee?

      Hugo - 2012-02-14 11:09

      Sipho(the troll) you are boring,can you please stop now.thanks.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-14 12:48

      Virgin Atlantic is owned by Richard Branson from England... you know, where white people come from?

      Sunshine - 2012-02-16 00:02

      Actually English people come from England, regardless of their colour. If you think England's all about white people you're clearly not talking about post-war England. Take the DA's recent poster controversy. The poster's content would be utterly irrelevant there. The different races have already been sleeping together for more than a generation now. Their mixed race children are all grown up and amazingly have turned out to be just as human as anyone else. Try being racist when you're mixed race yourself. England's biggest long term challenge is no longer racism but religion (and winning a football competition).

  • nicholas.karantges - 2012-02-13 21:27

    well done racism is not only used at Virgin Active but at restaurants where a certain class of whites barrack at people of colour

      Sipho - 2012-02-14 00:19

      byron dat is very funny/!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Warren Cowley - 2012-02-13 21:31

    The comments on here are sickening. Really, the comments section on news24 should be removed. As for the racist people...you're pathetic and i feel sorry for you. You harvest so much hate, energy and time that you will never be happy...shame.

  • brionyl.french - 2012-02-14 05:18

    Good we dont need to be going backwards

      Samantha - 2012-02-14 09:19

      I absolutely cannot believe all the crap i have just read here on comments. you people need to get a freakin life and most of all get over it and move on. I am so glad that I don't teach my kids to hate other races. it is inhumane and it makes you look really pathetic.so why don't u take the sour grapes out of your mouth or else get on a plane and get the hell out of our beautiful country if u can't live here peacefully. by the way i love BARACK.

  • Saamprater - 2012-02-14 06:12

    Now this is the easiest way to get your gym membership canceled. They always lock you in a payment scheme for life. Now, if you want to "opt-out", go to the nearest guy/girl and after a few words, you are free from Virgin active... YES!!! What hoggwash, instead of going on an education program for their members and instructors on how to behave in public, they choose the easy way out, and nothing will change. Sad

      Nonhlanhla Nkambule - 2012-02-14 06:18

      Actually Saamprater, you are sad one. I feel sorry for you & I hope you don't have any offspring.

  • Willem - 2012-02-14 07:09

    Maybe Virgin Active should make sure their eqiupment are not hogged.This will make people less frustrated. Members disregard the 20 minute time limit on machines and the Virgin staff are never around and ignore this. No wonder members are verbally abusing each other. The blame is to be laid at VA doorstep Mr Branson.

  • bevcol - 2012-02-14 07:23

    Great news! I stopped going to gym because of all the aggression (not sure if it is steroids, racism or just plane nastiness)I witnessed from members to the cleaning staff in the cloakrooms. Increasingly felt just grubby just being at Virgin Active breathing the same air as them. Fitness !!! - I now walk along the prom and at the park and find it much more enjoyable.

  • sudika.harkhu - 2012-02-14 07:28

    used to work out at virgin active vanderbijl. The afrikaners used to hog the equipment well past the 20 mins, and some never used towels. If the black gym assistants asked them to get a towel they abused them, saw it on a number of occassions. The white manager wouldnt do anything about it either.

      Sudika Harkhu - 2012-02-14 11:40

      read the last line of my comment heiku...i did report it but the white managers did nothing......

      C'hle - 2012-02-15 11:54

      The problem is white people think they are special. They think certain rules don't apply to them. When it's a black person doing something wrong they are quick to throw the rule book at you.

  • Nicole - 2012-02-14 07:28

    Hey Guys This has nothing to do with black or white or the colours of the rainbow but the fact that someone treats another person with such cruelty and disrespect. I have been insulted and sworn at by a personal trainer still in uniform and I reported it, not because of skin colour or gender but because it's unacceptable to behave like that in or out of public.

  • Thelma - 2012-02-14 07:53

    Wonder if Virgin Active would have acted in the same manner if it were a white man/women laying the same charges?

      Hugo - 2012-02-14 11:17

      They would.

      Merven - 2012-02-15 10:37

      I just found my proof Hugo, a white man say something to a black person, he gets banned from all the clubs. A black man make racist remarks on the Virgin Active website to the entire white race, and he only gets kicked off the site. If they want to treat people equal, they should ban this man from their gyms also. What is the big difference between 'in the gym' and on their national website?

  • Whispers4life - 2012-02-14 07:58

    so over this already both were wrong suck it up both should loose their membership one for hogging the machine and not adhearing to gym rules and one for not keeping his head cool... Pity it only fell one way...

      PB - 2012-02-14 11:09

      Amen

  • Boris - 2012-02-14 08:01

    Liberalism, humanity's curse.....

  • Peace - 2012-02-14 08:25

    I say it again YEEBOOOO!!!!!

  • Alexis - 2012-02-14 08:28

    wow,there really is stil much racism in SA....judging by the comments and the thumbs ups and downs, the racism is still raw. I'd like to pose a thought on the white people, if u guys can pretend long enough to like us the running of the country might be back in your hands, heaven knows u guys did a far better job than our current black leadership....that being said the fear of racism is the only thing keeping Hellen Zille from president nothing else.

  • Marc - 2012-02-14 08:48

    @Vegi, or whatever he deems himself to be, maybe whatever she deems herself to be? Have you been studying your civil jurisdiction in the High Court extensively? How's about Public International Law? Maybe we should approach the Hague with your argument: whites who do not condone the corrupt portions of government are to be deemed foreigners, illegal aliens as such and will henceforth be deported! Then let the whites use those principles of finding jurisdiction and attach their property in South Africa as security for a principled government - once they win they can sell off or transfer asset held in security and before you know it at least 70% of the GDP is extinguished! Does that sound like a nice plan to you? Surely, gave me some food for thought!

  • Marc - 2012-02-14 08:50

    Just to clear the statement from being vague and embarrassing: we would institute the action to call upon a principled government, which the Hague, giving regard to our Constitution, would uphold, but government would refuse to enforce.

      Hugo - 2012-02-14 11:20

      'Our constitution' was virtually authored by the current ANC led gov.

      Marc - 2012-02-14 13:12

      True, but by parties who no longer have any direct or even indirect influence in government. Roelf Meyer, Banthu Holomisa, etc.

  • alongman - 2012-02-14 08:55

    Whew - the lengths that people will go to, to extricate themselves from their gym memberships! How many more racist incidents are we going to see in gyms during these difficult economic times? :-)

  • Marc - 2012-02-14 08:56

    @ Vegi: Europe did not develop the Iron Maiden. In fact Europe did not exist as you refer to it today. The Roman Catholic Church did that. Europe as you know it also brought thinking with it, that in turn brought us Protestants, who in turn developed legal principles of justice and equity as we know it today. Very selective argumentative skills you have? It is best you find work as a legal adviser for the buccaneers of Banking.

  • Francois - 2012-02-14 08:56

    good on virgin for not sitting on the fence here

  • phumlanii - 2012-02-14 08:59

    I have always said, racism is still rife in S.A and people turn a blind eye to that fact. This was about unfair treatment to another human being. Even the media itself depicts this as a race issue.

      Chris - 2012-02-14 11:34

      Mervin, your poor grasp of the history and non-intellectual view of the world will be major stumbling block for you for the remainder of your life.

  • edward.d.beesley - 2012-02-14 08:59

    Since when were the terms "boy" and "black guys" deemed to be racist? Wow, I'll have to be careful what I call my son - just can't be too careful these days, everybody's so touchy ...

      Warren Cowley - 2012-02-14 17:35

      Its not about the words that are used. Its the tone and motive behind words..