Radio producer gets 24-hour ultimatum

2011-05-08 20:37

Johannesburg - The department of home affairs may be slapped with a lawsuit after what was supposed to be a routine passport renewal resulted in a dramatic 24-hour ultimatum to a South African resident.

Kaya FM producer Thabo Shole-Mashao is taking legal action against the department after it emerged that his identity number was registered under someone else’s name.

His lawyer, Katlego Mmuoe, confirmed to City Press that legal action will be instituted against the department.

"There will be no holding back. People should be brought to book," he said.

Shole-Mashao’s nightmare started on Thursday when he went to the home affairs offices in Roodepoort to apply for a new passport.

Instead, an official allegedly told him that according to the records, he was an illegal immigrant. He was then given 24 hours to prove that he was a South African citizen or be jailed.

Shole-Mashao was given a handwritten list of documents required to prove that he was a South African.

These included a handwritten birth certificate, letters from both primary and secondary schools, a letter from the hospital where he was born, a baptism certificate and an original marriage certificate.

Identity theft

He was also told to bring either parents or elderly relatives along who would testify that he was indeed who he said he was.

Shole-Mashao suspects he is a victim of identity theft because his identity number also allegedly belongs to a Nhlanhla Ndlovu.

The incident sparked a frenzy of activity for Shole-Mashao.

In a bid to prove he was the legitimate owner of his ID, he rushed to his primary school and church, both in Dobsonville, Soweto.

He then dashed to Chris Hani Baragwanath hospital, also in Soweto, where he was born in 1979 and then to Florida, where he went to high school in the 1990s.

“Both my parents have passed on. My grandparents, both maternal and paternal, have also passed on.

"Now how was I going to bring those documents to home affairs?” said Shole-Mashao, who was at the same office on Friday to have his fingerprints taken and sent to head office in Pretoria in a bid to resolve the matter.

Attempts to get comment from home affairs on Friday were unsuccessful.


"This has caused me and my family so much trauma," said Shole-Mashao.

On Friday morning, after his story and photograph were splashed on the front page of the Sowetan newspaper, he was inundated with calls from distressed relatives and friends from far and wide.

Mmuoe said that although it was still too early to determine the finer details of the planned lawsuit, he said they would consider the fact that Shole-Mashao’s right to privacy was violated and that he had suffered emotional trauma as a result.

"Citizens have the right to have their privacy protected. Identity fraud is quite serious. We don’t know what more has happened to him as a result of this," said Mmuoe.

  • Gen - 2011-05-08 20:48

    Welcome to South Africa

      Creeky - 2011-05-08 21:42


      HardHitter - 2011-05-09 06:49

      Correction , the New South Africa

      Sloragoth - 2011-05-09 08:37

      I live in Spain at the moment and when my wife got her passport renewed (she's Spanish) it took us 15 mins. Went in with 2 photos and her old passport, the printer is on the desk in front of you, they fill in you details, print out your passport and you leave with it ALL within 15-20 mins. As a South African I was flabbergasted.

      TheBokFan - 2011-05-09 11:36

      @Sloragoth - dude Spain is on the verge of bankruptcy and there are not enough jobs for young Spanish people - I know this from all the young Spanish people with University Degrees in London working in coffee shops. So if the speed of a passport renewal is your criteria for a good country then fair enough, but be aware Spain has much bigger problems than SA in many respects. Spain's passport policies are tied up with EU regulations, thats why its perhaps speedy to get a renewal. South Africa is trying to stamp out the fraudulent passports. Ive also had a long list of requirements to contend with when renewing my ID and passport, but at least Home Affairs is trying to stop the fake passports and IDs. Its so typical of South Africans (and white ones in particular) - complain when the passports are being forged, and then complain when Home Affairs try to fix it.

      Worldwise - 2011-05-09 12:22

      @TheBokFan. Home Affairs was in a pretty good state until the careerists were replaced by the cadres. The cadres saw the opportunities to make money and are doing so. As an SA citizen I needed a police clearance from Germany where I had spent two years in order to close a gap in my history. Went to the German embassy in Cape Town and got it in ten minutes. Try that in SA. Re Home Affairs, my wife applied for a new ID book after our marriage. Her second name was totally mis-spelled by the cadre manning a computa. We are not going to bother trying to fix the mistake as we know the frustration of dealing with Home Affairs. She will die with a mis-spelled second name. Every time someone queries her second name we tell them about Home Affairs. It's then accepted as all Saffers know how useless this department is. Are you aware that Home Affairs is the reason Saffers now need a visa for the UK? All because they can't control documentation issues.

      Matt - 2011-05-09 13:53

      @ Sloragoth - that IS good. As a Brit and SA dual citizen, I battle twice :-( UK - 3 weeks for a passport, R1500 (add courier, R2000). SA, gosh haven't had a renewal yet but it took 9 months to get and they lost my fingerprints twice

      Muzzy21 - 2011-05-09 15:29

      @Worldwise "Home Affairs was in a pretty good state until the careerists were replaced by the cadres...." The old home affairs had a lot of problems(Mispelled names and surnames,wrong date of birth,wrong gender indicated...etc)ask a couple of your black collegues if they didnt have problems with home affairs in the past.Yes the current home affairs service is not good but if you listened to 702 you would know that they are working on it.Just remember that apartheid period was'nt a fairytale for everyone.Criticize the current government for their incompetence but please just know that comparing the present with the past is unreasonable.

      DILLIGAS - 2011-05-09 19:36

      @WorldWise.....the reason Saffers need a Visa to enter the UK is due to the bggest criminal ever to work in government...Jacqui Smith of Britains Labour Party. Being unable to work out that a legally issued, fraudulently held, SA passport will allow just as easy access as without a visa. She was always hacked off about SA not offering a reciprocal agreement to UK u/29's i.r.o. the working visa and found a reason to rescind this and review all visa requirements. After 10 years living in the UK (try getting your passport renewed or issued there) we returned to SA and immediately renewed our SA passports. It took 3 weeks for two renewals and one naturalisation (our daughter born in the UK) and one new passport. This was precisely 5 weeks quicker than when our daughter's British passport was issued in the UK. Every country is cracking down on immigration issues these days and even British passport holders need a visa to visit the USA.

      Mikemcc - 2011-05-09 20:09

      @Dilligas, your info is wrong about Brit passport holders requiring visas to the USA. The UK is part of the visa waiver program and only requires travellers to register online and give 72 hours notice via ESTA see The issue surrounding the visas for SA passport holders is exactly because of the corruption in the home affairs dept. When an application is made for a visa a multitude of corroborating documentation is required and this increases the chances of identifying dodgy applicants. My Brit passport was issued in 4 days so it may have been other issues delaying the issue of yours.

  • Lestor - 2011-05-08 21:07

    You know, i know its our tax money that will be awarded if he wins the case but something really does have to be done about that place.

      rammstein.f4n - 2011-05-08 23:06

      Absolutely pathetic service. I don't know how a decent human being could be satisfied at night with him/herself after delivering service which cannot be described with a word other than "kak". How can you just not care about your job???

      Martin du Plessis - 2011-05-09 01:30

      rammstein, TIA

      Warren - 2011-05-09 07:57

      @ rammstein: It's not a job... it's a pay cheque!!!

      Gail - 2011-05-09 10:33

      I realise that it will be OUR tax money that will be awarded, but quite honestly I would rather have my hard earned money spent on sueing the department than on luxuries that we are paying for, for corrupt government officials

      Benny66 - 2011-05-09 18:00

      @ Rammstein - easy! In the "good old days" We worked for "the name on the wall". We took pride in our work. I remember the many, many hours of overtime I put in - WITHOUT PAY - just to ensure that my work was up to date. Can we really say the same for most employees these days who are almost gauranteed a job irrespective of their performance levels (or lack thereof). These days most employees work for the money and have NO pride in their work.

  • jock van wyk - 2011-05-08 21:09

    keep on voting anc and the fun even gets better

      Thandi - 2011-05-09 07:51

      Viva Anarchy Nepotism Corruption (ANC)

  • - 2011-05-08 21:10

    Five million South Africans carry multiple identity documents when legally they should only have one, Home Affairs Minister Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma. Does that not say it all

      Boerseun - 2011-05-09 11:46

      5 million extra votes...Hmmm

      Michele - 2011-05-09 14:29

      Is that not the same Minister Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma, previously minister of Health that fuc# @p our health system and thought she could get nurses off the street untrained and they'd be able to nurse...Ja that says it all!!! Get rid of her she is useless.

      Benny66 - 2011-05-09 18:04

      @ Michele. In your dreams dear. She was very much a part of the struggle and is one of "the family". Because of her demonstrated incompetance she is now a very senior member of the ANC.

      Francis - 2011-05-09 19:25

      Yes if she was more incompetent that she already is, she could be the next president

  • alex madikizela - 2011-05-08 21:10

    I have the same problem. worst for me, i don't know my father and my got married thereby assuming a different surname. My great-grand parents who raised me passed away 20 years ago. When i went to present the same document at shame-affairs in Pretoria, the attendant told me i was telling lies there is no person who does not know his family. yet i spent most of my life leaving on scholarships and part-time work. will you guys all the best. My son can not be admitted at preschool because he can't have an ID number under my name. Thought i saw these words in the constitution, 'every child has a right to name and identity', perhaps all rights are not so equal!

      helizna - 2011-05-08 22:00

      good luck to you, alex

      spacemonkey - 2011-05-08 23:47

      The following was posted by someone commenting on a similar article on another website. It may be useful to Alex or others having similar trouble. 'Hello all, If you are having trouble accessing documentation, please contact me at Lawyers for Human Rights has a new program that assists South Africans in accessing their right to a nationality and citizenship, including enabling documents like birth certificates and IDs. As this article shows, access to citizenship is an issue that impacts South Africans and needs more attention. South Africans are negatively impacted by ID theft; it robs real citizens of their right to an identity and a nationality, the right to vote, marry, work and move freely. Other issues also have been brought to our attention, such as children with one South African and one foreign parent being denied birth registration and recognition as a South African citizen. We also hear that South Africans in rural areas and areas bordering neighbouring countries have trouble getting documentation when DHA officials assume they are foreigners. Please contact us with any questions or concerns regarding these issues and we may be able to assist. thanks, Jessica'

      rachelirvine - 2011-05-09 00:58

      Alex - praying things work out for you x

  • Davorin - 2011-05-08 21:12

    Making citizens responsible for Home Affairs corruption... Nice one guys *gives standing ovation*

  • Val - 2011-05-08 21:12

    Is there any way of checking our ID numbers??

      Brenda Terblanche - 2011-05-08 21:59

      You can go to home home affairs (if you have plenty of time that is) and ask them to have a look. A few years ago my friend wanted to get married but could not because she was already "married" to "someone" in a little village in Natal. it took her 2 years and pleanty of hassles to get it sorted. Needless to say,she actually had to divorce a guy she did not know before she could get married. Best of all - she has never been to Natal of even heard of the place she was suppose to have been married. We laugh about it know, but then it was so stressful. Luckilly her husband and her were together since school days so he knew that she was never married.

      Gatta - 2011-05-08 22:09

      There is a link on the Home Affairs' website ...

      63Starlight - 2011-05-09 08:51

      @ Val, yes you can. You go to the home affairs page and enter your ID number.

      blindesambok - 2011-05-09 09:28

      RobinHood - 2011-05-09 13:07

      Brenda - he could have just believed her........

      Old-Jim - 2011-05-09 13:32

      DHA has got my marital status correct, the wife is quite relieved that she is still married to me after 43 years, LOL

      Matt - 2011-05-09 13:55

      On the Home Affairs website you can check if you're married - don't know about the rest

      v3 - 2011-05-09 15:19

      Try using the IEC service. They seem more efficient. SMS just your ID number to 32810 and they will respond with your name and where you are registered. Whether home affairs and the IEC are in sync or not is another matter, but it is an indication, and should help you with home affairs if they have screwed up - that you are a registered SA citizen

      Kaliel - 2011-05-09 16:36

      I do not give out my ID number to anyone unless they have a seriously legit reason. Think about it, all I need is your name and ID number and I can have a false ID made for less than a grand. With this I can open accounts in your name, clean out your bank account if I have your account number from the statements you throw in the trash, take out a bond in your name with false paycheck statements and marry a nigerian who then also gets citizenship. All this happens whilst you are blisfully unaware because you gave your ID number and residential address over the phone to someone who cold-called you from the "bank" after they found your bank statement in the trash. Wake up people - if you are dom you will pay. In SA only the clever survive the rest become fodder.

      squish - 2011-05-09 19:11

      @Kaliel - you right,and as things go more online (opening accounts and things) it can only get worse. Identity theft is a big thing in a lot of 1st world countries.

  • janine Cilliers - 2011-05-08 21:15

    The same type of thing happened to me. I was refused entry back into SA from a business trip in Japan. The ordeal caused me huge stress and R25000 in extra costs. But the cost of my trust in my own country has gone too. The corruption in our country is way out of control and if I could sue the department too, I would as someonemust be held accountable!

      IBI - 2011-05-09 00:02

      This is one rerason I will not visit SA. They might decide my documents are fake and KEEP ME in SA. Good luck to all who have this battle with a simple straight forward issue.

      Oryx_ZA - 2011-05-09 13:21

      hahha..lame reasoning...they may not let you in...but they would never keep you.

      Matt - 2011-05-09 13:57

      IBI - huh? If you visit SA, you don't have an SA passport - all you do is come here, get a visa on arrival for up to 90 days (weird, I came here once for 120 days and got the same visa) and then when you leave, you leave. And if SA really kept you here, you'd just go to your national embassy and make a plan...

  • Lennox - 2011-05-08 21:18

    The same thing happened to a local lady recently who went to the bank to open a new a/c only to be informed that she was blacklisted due to unpaid accounts at various outlets for the purchase of furniture,clothes,etc. Someone had used her ID details to compile a fake ID in order to purchase goods on a/c. The idea of us having a microchip inserted under the skin with all our personal details on is not so farfetched after all then.

      Janelia - 2011-05-08 22:25

      O no Microchip never never that is just what the devil wants it is in the Bible I will never have that done to me or any of my family

      CyberDog - 2011-05-09 08:26

      Yeah, so that when they mess up your credit, you are then permanently ucked. With no recourse, no re-issue of id.. nothing ... Wow, brilliant solution, well thought through.. Impressive.

      virtualv - 2011-05-09 08:49

      i had a similar problem i went to open a contract at a mobile shop adn was told my ID number and my name dont match? someone else is registered under my ID number. i had to prove that it was me..?

      HowardX - 2011-05-09 08:59

      The only thing such a microchip is likely to contain is your ID number. Having one implanted would make no difference to identity theft, since it is the home affairs and credit databases that would have the wrong information, not the microchip.

      Janine - 2011-05-09 09:18

      @Janelia - I don't remember any mention of microchips in the bible. Which chapter and verse?

      Worldwise - 2011-05-09 12:26

      Ooh Janelia, the guys in the bible were so advanced that they had microchips? No wonder their hippie guru could walk on water.

      Worldwise - 2011-05-09 12:31

      My dogs all have microchips implanted. Poor dogs, they will go to hell because of my bad judgement. So Janiela, what is the difference between having a microchip implanted, fingerprints taken, an iris or retina scan, 3D facial mapping, an ID photo or even DNA indentification? They will all identify you with great accuracy. The devil must have been very active.

      eugene smit - 2011-05-09 13:53

      The Bible only talks about the mark of the beast which would be implanted in the body to my knowledge. Without it you would not be able to trade!- so yes the Bible did speak about it...Most of you probaply dont know that money is created out of nothing! "they once used the Gold standard, thats not ineffect anymore-They print much more money than they have Gold. So thus they charge interest on money which is formed out of nothing!! its amazing.....

      Matt - 2011-05-09 14:01

      @ Janine - she's referring to the Mark of the Beast in Revelation, without which you cannot buy or sell. Many believe it's the microchip. Honestly I don't know hey. @ Worldwise - animals do not go to heaven or hell. You do though. And would you be referring to the same hippie who went to Jerusalem Temple and trashed the place because of their corruption? Gosh we could use Him in SA then couldn't we! @ Janelia - what do you think of biometric passports? I have to get one within the next month. Weird though because my son has one, yet he never did fingerprints or eyescans and I don't think I have to either. Chip with half the details missing, sweet

      Matt - 2011-05-09 14:22

      @ Eugene - true! I think the UK still uses gold standard, could've changed recently, but most don't. In the UK, strictly speaking you can take a banknote to the Bank of England and demand its worth in gold, but in these days "yeah right"... also the more cash you carry, the harder it gets for the banks - the more chartal money (notes, coins) they hold and the more "virtual money" you use (internet banking, debit/credit cards), the more liquid they become and the more they can lend to people. Eugene - trivia. Muslims aren't allowed to pay interest for religious reasons, so there is "halaal banking". How many here knew that interest is also against Christianity (and I think Judaism too?)...earning money without labour = wrong, goes for gambling too. I don't see Absa doing kosher bank accounts or Christian-friendly FNB...

      Worldwise - 2011-05-09 22:34

      Well then Matt, I suggest you read this and go against guys like these: Quote" - Many of the world’s Christian scholars and ministers such as Martin Luther, John Calvin, John Wesley, Dr. Andrew Linzey, St. Francis of Assisi, Dr. Albert Schweitzer, Randy Alcorn, Jack Van Impe, and many others, support the belief that our animals have a place in Heaven." Unquote. I, as an atheist will not be going to heaven though. I will enjoy everlasting death while the atoms that fleetingly resided in my body over many years, some for longer than others, are recycled into heavier elements after the sun dies. You, on the other hand have some time to worry about definitely going to hell or possibly going to heaven if you are a good boy/girl. Enjoy.

      Matt - 2011-05-10 08:56

      @ Worldwise - "Many of the world’s Christian scholars and ministers" That doesn't make it scriptural. Not sure how you can cite St Francis of Assisi, he was a total animal freak :-) in Holland we celebrated Animal Day on 2 Ocober in his honour! "I, as an atheist will not be going to heaven though. I will enjoy everlasting death while the atoms that fleetingly resided in my body over many years, some for longer than others, are recycled into heavier elements after the sun dies." How sad. So what is your purpose in life? Why are you here? I mean, if you're just going to become worm food. Can't be very encouraging.

      Matt - 2011-05-10 09:00

      @ Worldwise Many of the world’s Christian scholars and ministers ... Doesn't make it scriptural. Don't think I would consider St Francis of Assisi - the perennial animal nut! In Holland we celebrated Animal Day on 2 October in his honour! "I, as an atheist will not be going to heaven though. I will enjoy everlasting death while the atoms that fleetingly resided in my body over many years, some for longer than others, are recycled into heavier elements after the sun dies. " How sad. So if you are just an organism that's going to become worm food, then what is your purpose here on earth? Can't be very encouraging. "You, on the other hand have some time to worry about definitely going to hell or possibly going to heaven if you are a good boy/girl. Enjoy." No, through faith in Jesus I'm guaranteed a spot in heaven. Not worried about hell. I will enjoy, thank you!

  • Macho Mike - 2011-05-08 21:19

    Eish, life in Soud Africa, she is fun. And hau, i am me, but also someone else in stolen identity, so one is two and home affairs, she is clueless.

  • velastardust - 2011-05-08 21:22

    What a total balls -up ahead of the elections. Fake ID ! Good one ANC !

  • ian.d.samson - 2011-05-08 21:27

    An honest "mistake" or a deliberate and unscrupulous lack of concern for born South Africans at the hands of an indifferent government department?

      clark - 2011-05-08 21:36

      - Honest mistake my @rse - There is no honesty in anything this govt.or any of their departments do. Without doubt someone at Home Affairs taking bribes for identity theft. This country is collapsing rapidly.

      Gatta - 2011-05-08 22:11

      I would go for the latter option. They are all USELESS, nevermind clueless.

  • DoublySalmon - 2011-05-08 21:28

    handwritten birth certificate - don't have it. primary - don't have it and there isn't one. secondary schools - got it. a letter from the hospital where he was born - nope a baptism certificate - nope an original marriage certificate - nope. So people, this is how easily they can exile you. You need to get these things ready for immigration anyway, get it done.

      Gatta - 2011-05-08 22:12

      But where to go...

      Muna - 2011-05-08 23:26

      Really where can they send us, not to HEll we are already there.

      HowardX - 2011-05-09 09:04

      Many born and bred SA citizens do not have all this information. The problem is that home affairs now seems to make the default assumption that you are not South African unless you can prove it, when it really should be the other way around. It should be their problem to run around the country getting evidence if they feel you're not South African, and then make that case accordingly.

      Matt - 2011-05-09 14:26

      If you have dual nationality, surely you can renounce your SA Citizenship, then you're a foreigner with no residence permit, then SA has to deport you to the other country at SA's expense? EG SA Citizens with Dutch ancestry, apply for a Dutch passport which doesn't do dual citizenship, so you'd be forced to give up SA Citizenship and thus become an illegal... (not that you'd want to go to another country without money, possessions, job...)

  • Peter - 2011-05-08 21:34


      Gatta - 2011-05-08 22:13

      With the amount of cases that are awaiting trial, how long will that take?? By then the DA will be in power!!! HAHAHAHA

  • Yaseen - 2011-05-08 21:50

    Loads of Pakistanis are running around the world with s.a passports Wake up Anc, or the people will force you out just like in the Arab Countries, remember the people rule!!!

      ex-pat - 2011-05-09 01:42

      And those Pakistanis with SA passports are the reason law-abiding South Africans now have to buy a R1,000 visa to visit the UK. Or rather, Shame Affairs (good one, Alex, and good luck) is the reason those Pakistanis ..... etc.

      Matt - 2011-05-09 14:08

      Yes, and even if an SA Citizen is married to a UK Citizen, she still needs a visa at R1000 just so the husband can visit the old country. In contrast, if hubbie goes across the pond to Europe instead, the wife gets a free Schengen visa, R35 for admin + courier charges. Clever... But if the SA Citizen has been to the UK before the visa implementation, you still don't need a visa. In my case, the UK Government LOST my wife's passport when we were there, so she can't prove she was there and thus needs a visa. Not that we would ever go back to that dump. SA has its problems but is still a lovely place to be.

  • incrediblesolv - 2011-05-08 21:59

    Thabo you go get em for all the people of RSA who have suffered at the hands of these criminals in cahoots or work in the govt! These greedy ppl have no excuse they get well paid.

  • muhhamedvefa.dag - 2011-05-08 22:00

    what a joke

  • Jc - 2011-05-08 22:08

    i am so pleased that people that suffered under apartheid are also getting gatvol now

  • velastardust - 2011-05-08 22:12

    What a total balls -up ahead of the elections. Fake ID ! Good one ANC !

  • struth - 2011-05-08 22:15

    And so the show goes on and on and on. This selling of S.A. IDENTITY Documents has been going on for years and will continue until every S. African has voted out this Mafia Govument. If each and every South African does not wake up soon we will ALL become dispossesed of our country. This is serious people!

  • elsie.debeer - 2011-05-08 22:16

    Well I have just told my mother about this and she said that on the 'Speek out" program on SABC TV2 there was a Ndlovu guy also looking for his ID for the past eight years and it was also from th Roodepoort office. Maybe they should be taken to book and the situation should be investigated as this could be a departmental confusion by the "officials" making a mess of two peoples id's into one.

  • Neo - 2011-05-08 22:19

    Home Affairs is a joke, this is why the idiots that work for them grant Ghanain,Senegalese,Zambian,Malawian and everybody else political asylum in South Africa.What war is raging in Malawi or Ghana???Welcome to South Africa...Eish!!!

      graeme.r.bell - 2011-05-09 08:56

      There is a loophole in the Refugee Act which allows anyone from anywhere in the world to come here and claim asylum. DHA must process the application whether the applicant is a doctor from the US or a valid refugee from a war torn country. The process takes 6 months + and any applicant can work study or start a business while waiting for the result. This is how Malawians, Nigerians, Mozambicans etc get to live and work "legally" in SA.

  • Mike Hoxbig - 2011-05-08 22:21

    Why the heck does one require a baptism certificate?

      Pulverturm - 2011-05-08 22:36

      Exactly! What if he's an atheist?

      ex-pat - 2011-05-09 01:47

      Or a Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, pagan... ;-)

      Matt - 2011-05-09 14:10

      Well, if is one more document that could suggest who you are. Weird though because I got one when I was 25 and it mentions nothing about ID number or nationality. Just that it's you.

  • struth - 2011-05-08 22:30

    @elsie de beer It has nothing to do with misplaced ID. Documents. My sister could not get her ID since 1994. Her applications over and over were laughed at and they told her that someone else had her I.D NUMBER. She wrote to every Government department that she could, including the Presidency under Thabo Mbeki. She had a file of note. Finally in 2008 I intervened. I cannot go into details except to say that her ID was restored within 24 hours. It was a case of Mafiosas operating openly at the Johannesburg Home Affairs. But still the rot goes on and on. Unltil we get a new Government it will continue.

      ex-pat - 2011-05-09 02:04

      Strewth! I only waited six months for a vault copy of my parents' marriage certificate before I lost my cool and threatened to report the twit on the other end of the phone to the minister of HA at the time - late nineties. This was because the twit who answered the phone each time had kept telling me that the person I needed to speak to was "not in the office", but on this day, for some reason, she told me this person had actually resigned months earlier. I terrified her enough for her to put me through to her supervisor, an Afrikaans lady who also resigned not long after this, who sorted out my problem in ten minutes - the document arrived two days later.

  • Waynne Roberts - 2011-05-08 23:04

    "These included a handwritten birth certificate, letters from both primary and secondary schools, a letter from the hospital where he was born, a baptism certificate and an original marriage certificate" This line has to be a joke right? The hospital I was born at was closed down years ago. I'm not from a religious family so I'm not baptized. Also not married. "He was also told to bring either parents or elderly relatives along who would testify that he was indeed who he said he was." My family either lives in Natal or New Zealand while I live in Pta. So they would have2 come here to testify. These are ridiculous requirements. I bet very few people can even fur-full half of them.

      BRONZE - 2011-05-09 08:58

      Roberts the worse part is bringing all these within 24hrs! birth certificate I have, but primary and secondary school are 350km apart in different provinces, I'm sure I can find the clinic I was born in if it hasn't closed down, I don't ever remember us being given a certificate of baptism at our church and I'm not married. If I'm lucky to find the clinic and church what are the chances that the right person will be there on that particular day (after hours since I would have been running between provinces) to assist me with the documents? Then I'll have to pick up my mom who lives 2 hrs away from me and my father who is 600km away. And I'm suppossed to be back within 24hrs? If it were me told that crap to I wouldn't have bothered trying to get all these docs, would have gone straight to my lawyer. This is absolutely ridiculous.

  • Ralph Long - 2011-05-08 23:05

    While he is about it, please can he sue Home Affairs for still not providing me with an unabridged marriage certificate after 8 months? They are the most pathetic organisation in the world.

      63Starlight - 2011-05-09 08:56

      @Ralph Long, they got my husband's birth date wrong on our marriage certificate and I was told I have to pay for a new one even though the original has the correct date..... just money making scheme. Still want to know where 60% of my salary goes.

      Ralph Long - 2011-05-09 11:48

      This is so nuts, where is the accountability. Oh wait, this is South Africa, no such word exists.

      Matt - 2011-05-09 14:11

      Although, when we were in Holland and required an apostilled unabridged birth certificate there within 3 weeks "or else", SA Home Affairs got it to us within 2 weeks. A rare display of competence.

      Matt - 2011-05-09 14:12

      Oops - apostilled unabridged marriage certificate

  • struth - 2011-05-08 23:22

    @ralph long, the reason they will not provide you with an unabridged marriage certificate is that two other "aliens" have bought your marriage certificate. I am not joking with you, I was married for 13 years and registered on the main computer as having been married;but for some strange reason home affairs could not find any proof of my original marriage certificate. Hence I was declined an unabridged marriage certificate. You all work it out.

  • Muna - 2011-05-08 23:32

    That is all we South Africans are good at is moaning on forums like this, why do you not actually stop talking, seriously, we should all just stop paying all taxes, income tax and rates and taxes this will bring our government to their knees. Whites dont have the voting power but we do have the economic power.

      BRONZE - 2011-05-09 09:08

      Uhm, how exactly do we stop paying taxes when its taken before we receive our salaries? And what about taxes in foods and tolls, how do we not pay these? Rates are easier but we would be risking services such as water and electricity being cut off. And even if Whites were able to do this do you honestly think you can have an impact on your own, minus the billions in taxes being paid by the Black working force? I don't get your suggestion.I am all for Whites helping us in our struggle against the govt but I think you need to put up a more feasible proposal on how to do this. And you may just need a couple of Blacks to pull it off.

      Siff - 2011-05-09 09:35

      haven't you noticed we whites cant stand together. You stop paying your taxes and your neighbor will report you to SARS and collect a reward. It would be nice to know what it will take to get the whites to stand up and say enough!

      Pamela - 2011-05-09 10:22

      I am so tired of people isolating race. There are lots of educated black people who are also tired of how things are. We can't unite in a common cause because there are still people like you going on about whites and blacks instead of just people who are sick of the status quo!

      Matt - 2011-05-09 14:15

      Well, don't pay your TV licence for a start... don't take the tollroads... don't buy locally produced stuff (revenue for SA companies going down gives the ANC less tax than imported stuff with duties)... at roadblocks, when you pass flash the motorists to warn them (fewer fines, less money for the corrupt)... there are ways. But we're kind of stuffed with PAYE and UIF.

  • Bill - 2011-05-08 23:36

    Why does this even make the news???

  • struth - 2011-05-08 23:47

    @muna, err... I actually did DO something. On TWO counts. No good you threatening about witholding rates and taxes because that actually has nothing to do with Home Affairs, or are you blissfully ignorant in general of how the law works?

      clark - 2011-05-09 01:18

      - @ struth - Sounds to me like you're the ignorant one. Who runs and funds Home Affairs ? The Anc love your type - law abiding and compliant. You are fodder for them. The withholding of taxes is the only effective weapon for exploited citizens, against these thives. The tipping point of peoples patience is very close.

  • Mordred - 2011-05-09 00:04

    I am so proud of you. These people think they are all powerful and can treat you as they want to. Good luck and success with your case.

  • Angel - 2011-05-09 04:58

    I made a visit to home affairs in Centurion last week, nice new building opposite the gautrain station. Long queue of people waiting to be assisted, and no less than 6, right, six people at the entrance to make sure you go and stand in the waiting line outside. Flip, I am sure if those 6 were employed to work and not sit around doing stuff-all there would not have been a waiting line. Needless to say, I just lost it and left without getting business done.

      HowardX - 2011-05-09 09:14

      Generally, the "officials" who stand around making sure you're in the right queue, etc, are the bribe organisers. Since it's a lucrative role, there's usually quite a lot of them at any home affairs office. They can expedite you to the front of the ridiculously long and slow queue if you pay. Often the service and queues are deliberately made to be very long and slow as that is better business for the bribe takers. This is not cynical, it is exactly how they operate.

  • AJ - 2011-05-09 06:34

    Whatever money that is awarded to Thabo will be better spent by him than wasted by this embarrassment of a cockup of a department. Good luck to him, having your life turned upside down simply due to incompetence.

  • - 2011-05-09 07:16

    This is how the ANC duplicate voters.

      Mike Webber - 2011-05-09 08:13

      I'm sure they create new ID numbers just to hand to foreigners ON CONDITION, that they have to vote for ANC. No wonder the ANC allow so many foreigners into our country, to boost their numbers.

      Tamzien - 2011-05-09 09:16


  • Bosj - 2011-05-09 07:21

    I had a terrible ordeal at the hands of police yesterday. Home Affairs and SAPS they can take your breath away. As they say everything comes to an end someday.

  • RhinoGP - 2011-05-09 08:00

    is it freedom of speech or identity??? LOL!!!!

  • RhinoGP - 2011-05-09 08:01

    Is it freedom of Speech or Identity???? LOL!!!!

  • Crabapple1 - 2011-05-09 08:32

    Home Affairs???/ How many of the idiots who work there can even READ????

      63Starlight - 2011-05-09 09:00

      LOL!!!! Not many. My youngest daughter applied for a copy of her birth certificate, ID and passport. When she went to pay for the copy birth certificate, the cashier told her that he has no record of her being born in SA..... he then asked her if she was local. We couldn't believe it. I told her that I couldn't remember the planet she came from, but to say that she is local. Eventually the woman who printed the copy went over and gave the cashier a mouthful..... ja. ;-)

  • 63Starlight - 2011-05-09 08:47

    LOL!!! I can empathise with him. My eldest daughter had to apply for a new ID after having her bag stolen. When she collected the document.... there was a pic of a black male. When she took the ID back to the enquiries counter, they asked her did she have any proof that this was her ID.... Even though the details for for a white female. Fortunately she had her drivers licence with her. They are pathetic.

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  • Caligurl - 2011-05-09 08:51

    Aghhh.. Home Affairs is a nightmare... I got married to SA citizen 4 years ago in america, we came here last year in August and started my paper eork for spousal visa 2 weeks after... I went to see them after the 30 days they told me it was suppouse to be the waiting period for it and they couldnt even find a record of my application, I had to call to Pretoria and find out for myself cause they had no clue; in Pretoria the told me to do it all again so I did it and this time tourned out that the box where they send my stuff got lost or some shitty story like that, point is the fu*@# my application AGAIN, so after that Pretoria told me to skip the useless ppl of Home Affairs in Cape Town and gave me a case number which I used to fax my app thru... finally after 7 MONTHS I got my friggin' visa and guess what??? It will only last six month and then I'll have to start this ordeal all over AGAIN!!! Gosh, S African services SUCK big time, and the reason? Public servers are ABSOLOUTELY NUMB & APATHETIC TO THE PPLS NEEDS, they ALL should be sacked and replaced completely!

      Ralph Long - 2011-05-09 11:50

      You have my deepest sympathy, as I said in a post earlier, I have waited unsuccessgully for 8 months for my unabridged marriage certificate and last year when I need to renew my passport, they lost the first application and then took seven months to issue a new one once I had redone all the paper work. They are a bunch of morons.

  • vusi22 - 2011-05-09 09:07

    This is pure negligence on the side of home affairs.The officials who did this must be brought to book.Lets not allow the abuse of democracy This reminds me the apartheid era

  • Dolittle - 2011-05-09 09:26

    the people of South Africa deserve this mess if they keep on voting ANC. Voting ANC just because off you racist hatred towards whites borders on insanity. Doing the same thing over & over and expecting a different result = insanity. Voting for the ANC over and over and expecting better service delivery = insanity.

  • albacore - 2011-05-09 09:29

    How about letting the DA run the Dept of Home Affairs,just to prove a point.

  • Lana - 2011-05-09 09:51

    Typical South Africa!!!

  • Squeeze - 2011-05-09 10:03

    Well Shole-Mashao’s , I guess you still going to vote for anc.

  • Evan - 2011-05-09 10:11

    Typical government IT -- Firefox can't find the server at

  • Wendy - 2011-05-09 11:00

    Solution: Blame it on apartheid, a-la Julius Malema.

  • TheBokFan - 2011-05-09 11:36

    @Sloragoth - dude Spain is on the verge of bankruptcy and there are not enough jobs for young Spanish people - I know this from all the young Spanish people with University Degrees in London working in coffee shops. So if the speed of a passport renewal is your criteria for a good country then fair enough, but be aware Spain has much bigger problems than SA in many respects. Spain's passport policies are tied up with EU regulations, thats why its perhaps speedy to get a renewal. South Africa is trying to stamp out the fraudulent passports. Ive also had a long list of requirements to contend with when renewing my ID and passport, but at least Home Affairs is trying to stop the fake passports and IDs. Its so typical of South Africans (and white ones in particular) - complain when the passports are being forged, and then complain when Home Affairs try to fix it.

      Ralph Long - 2011-05-09 11:54

      Ha ha, how much is Home Affairs paying you? They are a bunch of incompetent idiots who couldn't organise getting drunk in a brewery.

      Ralph Long - 2011-05-09 11:58

      I would just like to add that even in a so-called Third World Country, the Philippines, it only takes a week to get your passport. Home Affairs are pathetic and a complete waste of time and money.

  • Boerseun - 2011-05-09 11:45

    I hope this oke nails them in their personal capacities. Tax payers should not foot hsi bill.