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Ramphele: Education crisis not Verwoerd's fault

2012-07-30 09:52

Johannesburg - Mamphela Ramphele says the education crisis is not Hendrik Verwoerd's fault but that of the current government, The Star reported on Monday.

The anti-apartheid activist was responding to a statement by President Jacob Zuma in which he said Verwoerd was responsible for the current mess in schools.

Ramphele said children were better taught under apartheid's "gutter" education system than they were today.

“By jove, at least the kids could write and read. And many of them understood history and understood geography,” she said.

Ramphele also criticised the government for its handling of the textbook crisis.

"There's no excuse why any child anywhere should not have textbooks, let alone thousands upon thousands of children whose futures are being destroyed on our watch," Mamphela Ramphele said at a speech at the Educational Management Association conference at the University of KwaZulu-Natal.

Ramphele added that she could not understand why no one had been fired over the textbook crisis or why more ordinary citizens were not protesting against the poor education of students.

She argued that some of South Africa's leaders did not have the credentials to be in government.

Ramphele compared the country unfavourably to Asian nations who she said appointed experts as ministers.

"Look at us. Give me a profile of our Cabinet and tell me whether or not the capacity to intervene and direct is there. You can't even deliver textbooks," Ramphele said.

Comments
  • tebo.go.5 - 2012-07-30 10:05

    Heared loud and clear, this woman is key and on point, people must stop shifting blame to the Apartheid regime, whats that got to do with the current state of our education and none delivery, or did Verwoerd also take delivery trucks. *seriously concerned*

      Squeegee - 2012-07-30 10:14

      Ramphele for President!

      goyougoodthing - 2012-07-30 10:23

      Ramphele is a true hero!

      paul.c.wadsworth - 2012-07-30 10:30

      Lets see what she has to say about the ANCYL, give her a tripple Bells!

      amused.reader.7 - 2012-07-30 10:30

      Agreed !! There was an excellent article in the Sunday times review section which echoed your thoughts. The author posed the question as to which CEO of a company, who had been managing that company for 18 years, could, with any credibility whatsoever, continue to blame the previous management from 18 years previously ??

      vicker.man.5 - 2012-07-30 10:33

      Yeehah - Ramphele you have just made my day. RAMPHELE FOR PRESIDENT Down with the current crop of idiots!!!!

      louwc - 2012-07-30 10:38

      Good one @tebo. Verwoerd died in 1966, maybe Zoomer did not read the report of his assassination and thinks he still runs around stealing books.

      patrick.buckley.712 - 2012-07-30 10:57

      THERE IS HOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-07-30 11:02

      WHF are they going to blame in 30 years time, I wonder. At least Ramphele has the balls to say it like it is, unlike our so called Leader of the country, who spends his time screwing daughters of friends & blaming apartheid for his own administrations blundering negligence & gross incompetence.

      anton.burger.16 - 2012-07-30 11:07

      WELL SAID LADY!!!!!!!

      Revelgen - 2012-07-30 11:21

      Great comment Tebo. It's NOT about RACE, it's about RESULTS. That's how ability is judged in the civilised world, and how a government and ministers should be judged here in SA. I am so grateful for intelligent Black folk like Mamphela Ramphele and Reuel Khoza speaking out. We Whites really do care about the future of SA and its peoples, but as soon as we criticise the things that are clearly wrong, we are called racists. No - it's about what is right and what is wrong.

      ian.flack2 - 2012-07-30 11:38

      If nothing is done pretty soon, anyone wanting to be recognised overseas will be laughed at if they say they have a South African degree, let alone a matric. Lower the standard so that you can make yourself look good with the pass rate. It's like Zimbabwe printing more money, by doing so you devalue it so much that it becomes worthless.

      shaun.d.corrigan - 2012-07-30 11:52

      @ian.flack2 That has already happened! Last year I enrolled at Oxford University for a Masters Degree, and was accepted. However, I had lost my original degree certificate (awarded in 1993)so submitted a duplicate dated 2004. My whole application was put on hold until I could prove when I graduated. I queried this once I was on the course and was told by the course director: "do you think that we are ignorant about the standards of South African education?"

      logancyoung - 2012-07-30 12:00

      I can't see how the apartheid regime has anything to do with the state of the country anymore at all! It has been dead for nearly 20 years already. Surely that's enough time to wipe the slate clean and start actively working to improve the country?

      gideon.iii - 2012-07-30 17:00

      I wish that more people had this mindset. But alas, blaming apartheid and pulling the race card seems to remain the go-to excuse for everything.

      denise.ryan.5203 - 2012-07-30 18:33

      it's quite simple really - at last, someone with a few brain cells, common sense and intelligence! One doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to get it. What we are forced to deal with in government are as thick as planks...

      preshen.govender.90 - 2012-07-30 20:19

      Blame it on the a a a a a apartheid

      boeretroos.redakteur - 2012-07-31 13:28

      Thanks for not blaming Verwoerd. It is clearly obvious that half of the members of government are nickumpoops. OK sorry about that - I take back what I said about the members of government, half are not nickumpoops.

  • jackal666.daniel - 2012-07-30 10:06

    I really like this woman, we need more of these to turn this circus into a government!

      russki.za.3 - 2012-07-30 10:39

      Is it not strange that the only people in this country who have balls are all women? In particular, the ladies from the DA, the public protector, and now also Dr Ramphele.

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-07-30 11:39

      Leonard,Mamphele has far too much brains to be involved with the ANC. She's one of a kind.

  • mike.down.5492 - 2012-07-30 10:07

    A voice of reason in the wilderness.

  • justin.massyn - 2012-07-30 10:12

    Why is this lady not fulfilling a key roll in government??? She sounds like she can out perform half a dozen of our "regular" ministers blindfolded. Much respect to you ma'am, you REALLY seem to have the public and youths interests at heart. Thank you.

      delish7564 - 2012-07-30 10:20

      Because she criticises the Government, even though what she says is true? Heaven forbid they permit anybody like this to help the country!!!!!!!

      ken.grimblegrumble - 2012-07-30 21:14

      They would not understand her as she losses more brain cells in an hours than the collective alliance has between them. Internationally seriously intelligent people look up to her.

  • carla.vittori3 - 2012-07-30 10:15

    Finally - someone who says it like it is. It's about time.

  • obadia.segwape - 2012-07-30 10:15

    wow where has she been we need her to save our country our children only knows chat sites not thier books

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-07-30 11:40

      Obadia, she has been here all the time. The ANC have no use for her, they don't like intelectuals.

  • ivan.ferreira - 2012-07-30 10:17

    She should join the DA....

      richard.hipkin - 2012-07-30 10:44

      They tried, she's not for sale, not even to the ANC.

      magriet.buys - 2012-07-30 11:02

      Maybe she should start her own party :-))

      martin.britchford.5 - 2012-07-31 09:15

      politicians should not be running countries period, only idiots join political parties

  • elaine.parker.104 - 2012-07-30 10:18

    this lady for President, yes please!

  • mariana.barry - 2012-07-30 10:19

    You give me hope...... please take command of this sinking ship. While your up there, do we REALLY need so many ministers? Their overheads blasts more holes into our fragile ship.

  • peter.philips.568 - 2012-07-30 10:19

    Honesty at last! Who will listen to her?

      ken.grimblegrumble - 2012-07-30 21:17

      Most intelligent people in the world.

  • lownabester - 2012-07-30 10:20

    Ms, Ramphele, you are a saviour. Just so few in goverment will pay any attention to what you say. You are the best!!!!

  • delish7564 - 2012-07-30 10:21

    Well said. It's about time people like this lady spoke out. Come to think of it, it's about time everybody spoke out against it, but they wont :(

      ken.grimblegrumble - 2012-07-30 21:18

      Ms, Ramphele has been speaking out for years. Simply google her name

  • dolf.vandenberg - 2012-07-30 10:22

    Give that woman a Bells

  • wehan.victor - 2012-07-30 10:22

    We need more reasonable people like this running our beloved South Africa!

  • godesha - 2012-07-30 10:22

    Dr Ramphele for President!!! At last a person who is concerned about the youth and their futures.

      Che-Saidi William Ayawo - 2012-07-30 12:53

      that woman for Presidency,man cant even speak like that openly

  • sam.swanpoel - 2012-07-30 10:22

    What a relief to read some good sence for a change. Make this woman president.

  • ivan.schoultz - 2012-07-30 10:24

    The OBE method of educating is also clearly problematic, since it was introduced the standard of education dropped. We need to learn from the actions of those countries that removed OBE in order to rescue their education standards.

  • frans.vanderpoll - 2012-07-30 10:25

    A woman with guts and a no nonsense attitude. Now that's what we need to shock the Zoomers out of their 18 year coma. Truer words are rarely spoken Mrs. Ramphele. We need more people like you, Helen Zille and Terror Lekota to to tell Zuma the things he don't like to hear.

  • kindness.sweet - 2012-07-30 10:25

    couldnt agree with you more. but we have a president who stopped at grade 5, how can he understand the importance of something he never accomplished? I fail to understand this universities that gives him honorary doctorates. As for the ANC, they should do us (the country) a favor and elect the right personnel in mangaung... not another bunch of idiots. JZ must go back to Nkandla, where he belongs.

  • chiepner - 2012-07-30 10:25

    Goverment has become so obsessed with money and power that the citizens of this country does not matter anymore. It's better to spread lies and rumours and play the "black against white" card or better yet change the laws and constitution to keep them in power because they know. Once they have vacated their offices, once the electorate realises THEY have the true power in this country. The leaches and architects of "tendertrepeneurship" will lose everything and be forgotten. So they dont try and repair, because it would mean putting a stop to maladministration, corruption and nepotism. It would mean thousands of incompetent officials and politicians losing their jobs which will have a direct impact on the ANC leadership. So for now our leaders are content in feeding this cancer it has created not realising that this monster is growing and will sooner or later consume everything the ANC once fought for and everything the ANC once stood for. The People is not deemed important anymore. Money and Power is much more important. Building our future on sand is bound to have dire consequenses.....but then again its all APARTHEIDS fault.

  • steve.impala.75 - 2012-07-30 10:25

    Well said. Why do we not have more of these kinds of people in the government, people who actually care about the country and its people and not how much money goes into their pockets.

      ken.grimblegrumble - 2012-07-30 21:21

      Ms, Ramphele spits on politicians. Please do not insult her.

  • hendrikvs - 2012-07-30 10:25

    No trolls today to comment when the truth was spoken?

      wehan.victor - 2012-07-30 10:37

      So True. ANC supporters HATE being wrong.

      kent.paulsen.79 - 2012-07-30 11:52

      They are nearly allways wrong.

  • Freddyvdm - 2012-07-30 10:26

    thumbs up .thank God for making woman with brains.cause Us men White and black think with our Wieners ,Especially Pres,Jacob Zoo man."what a putts"

  • marcelle.joubertdurandt - 2012-07-30 10:26

    R.E.S.P.E.C.T. Dr Ramphele! WOW .......

  • wilhelm.grobbelaar - 2012-07-30 10:32

    I think I like her. She knows more that is going on in government than the government themselves. Viva Ramphele Viva!!!

  • peter.jefferies.90 - 2012-07-30 10:38

    There is hope yet, I hope!!! Well said, I am glad someone is finally stating the obvious. I am so sick of everything being blamed on the old government, ANC start acting like adults and accept the blame for your stuff ups!

  • stefan.vanderspuy - 2012-07-30 10:39

    The end of the world will also be apartheid's fault...

  • keith.ngobeni - 2012-07-30 10:39

    That's very very true DR RAMPHELE the ANC is to smart or posh to accept their failures or blunders, instead of man up and take the responsibility they'll try to find some scapegoat to cover their own mess, its very laughable and heartbreaking on the same time to hear children who were born in 1988/1990/1992 claiming to have been affected by the apartheid that's why they drop out of school before reaching their MATRIC, it's the ANC who tells them this rubbish, south African youths wake up and smell the coffee the ANC is slowly destroying your future.

      hein.huyser - 2012-07-31 07:28

      Slowly?

  • CORNHOLIO - 2012-07-30 10:42

    poly ,victor ,morama ,sganja ,tsosti ,cam ,youngster and a few others are all the same womanless dweeb. like clark kent (sorry ,lousy comparison) they never apperar at the same time.havent you noticed? almost feel sorry for him

      CORNHOLIO - 2012-07-30 10:47

      you can throw venus sharma into his list of aliases

      CORNHOLIO - 2012-07-30 10:49

      come on we want the tamaranui identity bluzulu?

      victor.tamaranui - 2012-07-30 17:10

      huh??

      charnelle.bester - 2012-07-31 21:09

      Agreed, all the alter ego's floating about. Anyway he is just a troll who hates white people with all his heart and soul!

  • ana.curcic - 2012-07-30 10:43

    God Y bless dear lady. Wish there were more like Y.

      ken.grimblegrumble - 2012-07-30 21:23

      Ms, Ramphele is the female equivalent of Mandela but with 100 times more brains

  • Carlo Gieljoumie - 2012-07-30 10:45

    Now give that gal a bells

      merven.halo - 2012-07-31 09:12

      The poor lady will be called counter revolutionary and a coconut for pointing out the truth.

  • SARealist - 2012-07-30 10:45

    At last someone lays the blame squarely on the ANC shoulders. Ramphele for president and then she can clean out the rot of the ANC Deployed Cadres and replace the rot with good, hard working, educated and experienced persons.

  • gavin.lott.9 - 2012-07-30 10:45

    Now that's refreshing!!

  • kappaj - 2012-07-30 10:47

    Wow - somebody sees the light!

  • memory.g.pieterse - 2012-07-30 10:51

    Finally someone brave enough to face the music and stop the buck!! Well done, lady...keep up the fight.

  • kevin.pitzer - 2012-07-30 10:51

    Well said Dr Ramphele……It is clear you were educated during the Apartheid Era and it paid off for you as it did for so many other individuals who are representative of the masses but somehow do not hold post within the cabinet. It is a crying shame that the current standard of education in the Government schools is so much lower than it was before Apartheid was dismantled. Given this current fiasco those who protested for a higher education on June 16 th in the 70s and lost their lives are probably doing cartwheels in their graves considering the irony of the situation……Verwoerd to blame ?…….Dream on Mr Pres. and face the reality that we are in 2012 and you my Dear Sir are responsible as the buck stops at the top !

  • patterson.graeme - 2012-07-30 10:52

    Well said!!!!

  • TheyTookMyNickLaZynEko - 2012-07-30 10:52

    Respect!

  • mholthuysen - 2012-07-30 10:53

    Well said - hit the nail on the head! Mamphela Ramphele for President!

  • maria.silverman1 - 2012-07-30 10:54

    I'll vote for her! Common sense she has!

  • fanie.essgee - 2012-07-30 10:54

    Thank you Mam, finally a voice of reason......

  • maria.silverman1 - 2012-07-30 10:54

    I'll vote for HER! Common sense she has!

      ken.grimblegrumble - 2012-07-30 21:25

      You can't vote for her, as she is not for sale.

  • nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-07-30 10:55

    well said, it is UTTERLY ridiculous to blame the education crisis on Vervoerd, time for Zuma to go!!

  • vivian.harris.73 - 2012-07-30 10:55

    Who is this woman? Make her Minister of Education! So refreshing to hear what she has to say. Keep it up lady.

      mzizisammy - 2012-07-30 12:04

      Former uct vice chancellor

      vivian.harris.73 - 2012-07-30 12:53

      Well she got my vote if she wants it....

      ken.grimblegrumble - 2012-07-30 21:32

      Who is she? Try Google. She is also a Medical doctor, Chair of Goldfields, director Medi-Clinic, on the board of Anglo,Transnet, Trustee of Rockerfeller Foundation, hell the list goes on. This lady is very well known.

  • Gerald Jordaan - 2012-07-30 10:57

    At last a lucid thinker who tells it like it is!! My hat off to you ma'am !! Jacob 'sh*t for brains' take heed..it's not that as*hole WOERWOER'S fault IT'S YOURS YOU PECKERHEAD !!

  • buwaz - 2012-07-30 10:57

    100 percent correct frm Dr Ramphele since after Dr Mandela era I never heard a true n fact statement,she said it with no fear or favour,can we have more leaders like her in our cabinet? Cry my beloved country she deserve to be chamza of the year

  • sharon.truebodyvice - 2012-07-30 10:57

    Give this country to a Woman and we will steer this country back into the light .......that WE promise, Way to go Mrs Ramphele

      henk.f.prinsloo - 2012-07-31 14:55

      Shanna, it seems as if your education has already failed you. Who or what do you think is the person that messed up this book scandal? Zille may do better, but she will do well if she stops with her Verwoerd hunting.

  • Carlo Gieljoumie - 2012-07-30 10:57

    ANC moto use to be education before liberation but when they became liberated education went to the bottom they know if the people are uneducated they must think for them and make decisions on there behalf

      piet.strydom - 2012-08-01 10:00

      No, The sloga was no education before liberation. Now they pick the fruits of it, actually it doesn't look as if they have changed the slogan in any case. For one, the populace is still just as oppressed as they were 20 years ago. Nr 2, there is very little education going on, even if text books are available.

  • corne.coetzee.92 - 2012-07-30 10:58

    What she says is soooo true. Unfortunately the ANC hates her, and we shall soon see the ANC lambasting her as a DA pawn, or the Madam's slave or something along those lines. They can not respond with any decent argument or debate, as you can not argue the truth.

      tumelo.mabua - 2012-07-30 11:29

      I can see Mr Mantashe waiting to teLl her that she's anti progressive and doesn't see all the good things that government has achieved! Jackson too!

      ken.grimblegrumble - 2012-07-30 21:34

      Mamphela Ramphele is too powerful. The ANC would Never try to engage.

  • nathanial.edwards - 2012-07-30 10:58

    So wish this lady could be running the Education Ministry

      maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-07-30 14:10

      I agree, she comes up with solutions instead of just looking to put the blame elsewhere. We need experts heading up that department so that they can bring about the changes we need. Close down the schools that don't perform and fire the teachers who don't teach kids sufficiently to pass!

      patson.nedzamba - 2012-07-30 14:39

      Let alone the country. Damn, she is fantastic