'Red lights flashing' over Mogoeng

2011-09-05 09:28

Johannesburg - The Sonke Gender Justice Network expressed concern on Monday about reports that Judge Mogoeng Mogoeng would be the country's next chief justice.

"We are worried and disappointed," Sonke spokesperson Mbuyiselo Botha told SABC radio news. "Red lights are flashing."

Botha said there was already a "persistent failure from the judicial system as to how [abused] women in this country are handled".

"It [the system] is not taking care of women suffering from abuse."

Botha said if Mogoeng's past judgments were anything to go by, it did not bode well for women.


Mogoeng was grilled at the weekend by the Judicial Services Commission (JSC) following President Jacob Zuma's nomination for him to become the country's next chief justice.

His past judgments have been scrutinised in the media, including rulings on marital rape.

Lawyer Paul Hoffman, of the Institute for Accountability in Southern Africa, told SABC on Monday morning that he hoped criticisms against Mogoeng's nomination would cause Zuma to reconsider his appointment.

"He [Mogoeng] was not able to properly deal with the criticisms about his gender insensitivity, about his professional ethics, about his experience and capacity as a judge nor about his attitude toward homosexuality," Hoffman told the broadcaster.

Mogoeng was nominated by Zuma to be the country's next chief justice following the retirement of former chief justice Sandile Ngcobo after his term of office expired on August 14.

In his submission to the JSC, Mogoeng said he was not homophobic or gender-insensitive, nor was he inexperienced for the job.

A JSC commissioner told Sapa on Sunday that most of its members had voted in favour of his appointment.

  • sganja - 2011-09-05 09:44

    Sonke Gender Justice I'm happy with Chief Mogoeng and the majority of SA arer happy.Whats your problem?

      Slackie - 2011-09-05 09:52

      How can he speak for God?

      StoneAngel - 2011-09-05 09:57

      And who says that the majority of SA really knows much about these things? Dream on sganja dream on. I see that 30% on the JSC are not happy and neither is Cosatu. - 2011-09-05 10:07

      No, sganja. The majority of thinking South Africans are not happy with his appointment. If he doesn't understand and adhere to the Constitution fully, how can we be happy? The fact that Zuma loves him, does not qualify him. We all know what Zuma thinks of women !!We are not happy indeed. Go Sonke Gender Justice!!

      sganja - 2011-09-05 10:08

      @Slackie Did you watch the interview?Are you have with everything except God statement? @StoneAngel 30% on the JSC don't like him so thus 70% like him.

      sganja - 2011-09-05 10:12

      "Are you have with everything except God statement" is suppose to be Are you agreeing with everything except God statement

      Pencilgraffiti - 2011-09-05 10:14

      Was there a national vote...? Cause i'm not happy... The man screams of apartheid- and traditional era values. Obviously why the polygamist Zuma likes him. Zuma doesn't want to be a leader, Zuma wants to be a king... and Mogoeng will be his bishop...

      Stephen - 2011-09-05 10:22

      Phew, thanks sganja. If it wasn't for you personally interviewing 'the majority of SA' we wouldn't have known how we all felt. Thanks man.

      willieman - 2011-09-05 10:28

      How do you know that majority of SA are happy.The proceedings were aired on payed channel,and majority of SA do not have access to this cahnnels

      Wayne Hayes - 2011-09-05 10:29

      Watched the inteview, saw it was filled with idiots...turned off tv and went to the nearest pub

      UmlunguBaba - 2011-09-05 10:29

      That's just it - YOU are THE problem. Not MY problem, but THE problem. You can not say why you are happy with the new chief justice, but only because it is an ANC appointment, are you happy with it. You see, nobody minds what anyone's political persuasion is, but when one's decision making is motivated by prejudice, the only decision one is capable of making is that all decisions will be made FOR one. Such is the modus operandi of the current leadership of the ANC, and they are doing a pretty darned good job of it, apparently! In the greater scheme of things, it matters not Mr Mogoeng's feelings on Homosexuality or violence against women. His iritation at 'the press' is the 'kicker' as to why he was nominated by Mr Zuma - he is the envisaged vehicle for the final drafting into legislation of the Protection of Information bill. When this is accomplished, it will pave the way for unprecedented lawlessness, anarchy and government corruption, such as we have not yet seen, and which can not be imagined. So why is it that YOU are the 'problem'? Firstly, because you have been deceived into handing over your right to think for yourself, and fail to exercise your mandate to hold those you have voted into power to account. Secondly, because it is YOU that will first feel the affects of your non discernment, and YOU that will carry the weight of innocent blood on your shoulders. Stop thinking that because Apartheid was wrong, everything else is right. You owe it to yourself.

      daaivark - 2011-09-05 10:50

      Who says the majority of South Africans are happy? Are you plugged into some heavenly network?

      Wayne Hayes - 2011-09-05 10:51

      @sganja - Clearly 91% of the people disagrees that Moegoe is competent for that role, check out the survey on the main page. I just hope you are not a lesbian, you will have a tough time when you are in court.

      daaivark - 2011-09-05 10:55

      Pencilgraffitti, although I too have serious reservations about this man, your suggestion of a national referendum on the issue is plainly absurd. Nowhere on earth is that process followed, and if it were it would be ridiculous. I can just imagine the chaos if every Tom, Dick and Harry with no brain but strong opinions could have their far-out views taken into consideration. Mogoeng's own foundations in his weird church, and his tendency to let that get in the way of reason is already laughable enough, without the screwball ensemble adding to the mess.

      daaivark - 2011-09-05 10:56

      @ Wayne: "and went to the nearest pub".... which was also filled with idiots.

      Theresa - 2011-09-05 11:03

      @sganja - SPEAK FOR YOURSELF!!! How dare you speak for ALL South Africans!! an IDIOT like YOU... you are one of the most provocative individuals I've come across... you should be BANNED from this site... The way I see it, the 'majority' of South Africans ARE NOT happy with chief Mogoeng's nomination and/or acceptance as Chief Justice!!!

      Wayne Hayes - 2011-09-05 11:05

      @daaivark - Atleast it's not a bar for shemales like you.

      daaivark - 2011-09-05 11:10

      Wayne, come on, was that necessary? Assumptions of gender and turning them into insults is about as gormless as it comes. Thanks.

      sganja - 2011-09-05 11:13

      @ Theresa why are you fuming? And why I need to be banned,I'm speaking what I believe. Forgive me if you didn't like my post but that does not mean you have a right to call me idiot.

      Wayne Hayes - 2011-09-05 11:13

      @daaivark - Always a pleasure old fart.

      willieman - 2011-09-05 11:36

      No!! No!!! boet what you saying it is not scientific

      Ingie - 2011-09-05 11:51

      Another crook to join the rest..what this space...he will maybe soon come to light as a fraudster/crook, if he is Zuma's mate it all eventually comes out.Another crook joins the rest...thought he was very arrogant and had no respect for the others

      SimpleMe - 2011-09-05 11:53

      sganja - you don't know whether the majority of SA citizens are happy with the appointment of Mogoeng as Chief Justice. What you should know is that the majority of informed commentators, the legal profession, women's rights groups, and constitutional experts have all raised significant concerns regarding Mogoeng's appropriateness for the position. Ask yourself why President Zuma has not nominated a more obviously qualified Judge? Is it because the President wishes to appoint a compliant CJ that will do his bidding? Just as he has appointed a compliant Director of Public Prosecutions, got rid of the independent investigations unit, The Scorpions, and even dumped the previous President of SA. All to ensure that he himself will never be prosecuted for the alleged crimes he committed and was charged for - even after he is no longer the President of SA.

      Melanie - 2011-09-05 11:56

      the rating don't seem to say that, Sganja

      Felix - 2011-09-05 12:10

      @Daaivark 10:55, I wish they had realized that before they introduced democracy! I wonder how the ANC would fair in a weighted vote based on education?

      Apache - 2011-09-05 12:51

      Who is your majortity of south africa???? We are not happy and the MAJORITY is NOT happy.

      Michael - 2011-09-05 13:02

      Well, scanja who smokes ganja, if you're happy, and Zuma is happy, that's great. We'll go with Mogoeng the Moegoe then. It has been decided. Oh wait, sorry, you don't get to decide. Thank god for that.

      POLLENYS - 2011-09-05 13:12

      Well, he will provide good company for that other notorious and useless judge named John Hlophe.

      wisegirl - 2011-09-05 15:18

      the remarks on this page clearly shows that you are mistaken, sganya

      supporter - 2011-09-05 16:10


      Vince York - 2011-09-05 17:21

      How many submissions has this Sonke organisation made in writing to the JSC and President and various other bodies IN TIME instead of waiting for the process to be finished before raising objection? Certainly haven't seen thousands upon thousands of raped and half raped, and taxi breakfast raped women cascading down from all quarters raising a commotion either, no matter that they apparently are the worst afflicted by this type of mentality the patriarchs are placing upon you.

      Rudolph van Rensburg - 2011-09-06 17:02

      Of a rapist who attacked a 14-year-old girl, Mogoeng said: “She claims that the sexual intercourse was very painful but there was clearly nothing about her to suggest that she was in any pain when she arrived home...” And, because the girl kept quiet about the rape: “One can safely assume that [the accused] must have been mindful of [the victim's] tender age and was thus so careful as not to injure her private parts, except accidentally, when he penetrated her. That would explain why the child was neither sad nor crying when she returned from the shop, notwithstanding the rape. In addition to the tender approach that would explain the absence of serious injuries and the absence of serious bleeding, he bought her silence and cooperation with Simba chips and the R30." Sganja, if this was your 14 year old daughter, would you have been happy with what the hon judge said?

  • Slackie - 2011-09-05 09:47

    Funny, nobody finds it strange that he claims that God wanted him as chief justice, this claim is an outright lie, how can he claim to know what God wants. This lie is testament to his integrity but sheeple will always follow anyone who invokes the name of God to fulfill thier greedy desires. Afterall you would'nt want to be seen as a non-believer would you?

      Mnumzane - 2011-09-05 10:08

      Those ppple who prays will tell u that they saw a signal while they were praying. Although I do not subscribe to it but to me its not alie its just one of those things that pple say in life nd he was saying it to a colleague who opted to share it with a politician who opted to share it with JSC.

      Keletso Sekgarametso - 2011-09-05 10:48

      Let me break it down to you, what he means by this statement is that no one can judge or forcefully remove him from this positions. if it wasnt meant to be then that meant God didnt want him to be in that position, he would have lost the interview. Those are words of a man who is saying he was brought there to make a difference, not by favour from a man (Zuma) or connections.

      Slackie - 2011-09-05 11:00

      @Keletso BWAHAHAHAHAHA !!!! Ok Ok So you are saying it is imposible for anyone to lie in the name of God?

      lenand40 - 2011-09-05 11:06

      @Keletso. What happens when there is a conflict between his belief system and the constitution? Does he disobey his god, or does he disobey his employer i.e. the people of South Africa? Also, if god speaks to him, what other revelations can he reveal to us e.g. there are many Christian denominations that claim to be closer to god than any other. He obviously knows the answer and may even rule that any other religion or denomination is out of order, after all, he spoke to god. Also, does it not worry you that this man makes a living out of listening to different arguments and then ruling on which argument is best alligned to the constitution and the law, and yet claims to have spoken to god? Does this mean he will rule in favour of people that hear voices that urge them to murder their family, or people that talk to the tooth fairy or father christmas? That some like him and some do not like him is immaterial. What matters is the potential that he can subject the constitutional country to decision not based on the constitution. He has already done this. In the Dey case, he admits to not applying his mind. He decented and never even bothered to explain his reasons. He has the tendency to start answering questions before he hears the whole question and got hot under the collar when this was pointed out to him. Obviously, he did not appoint himself, but we have reason to be concerned.

      flummoxed - 2011-09-05 11:14

      Wag maar! As they say in the classics..

      zaatheist - 2011-09-05 14:21

      This guy is religiously brain addled and suffers from mental illness. He hears voices in his head and thinks a god is talking to him.

      Mags_24 - 2011-09-05 15:13

      So whats wrong if he thinks so. How does anyone even get to the point of saying he is hearing voices in his head? I dont seen anyone complaining when a rugby captain after win says God was with them on the day. or God wanted them to win. But maybe its only the NP that were God's Chosen People.

      JustinCT101 - 2011-09-05 15:57

      All people that believe in God should be looking to do what God wants them to do, right. If you have no problems with that statement, then why would have a problem with someone that believes in God, and looking for what God wants him to do, and then finds it. And No, I don't believe He has a divine mandate to be chief judge, I just don't see the fuss made over him claiming that he has prayed about it and that he believes that he got the go ahead to go in a certain direction. I would be more worried if someone claims that the are Christian, (or what have you) and then are unconcerned with looking to God to direct their actions.

  • Paralegal - 2011-09-05 10:01

    Mogoeng, apparently, made a judgement on a child rape case reducing the rapists sentence as the child only had minor injuries. And this wasn't his only "mistake". Is this the kind of man we want as Chief Justice? I think not.

      Mnumzane - 2011-09-05 10:11

      Are u so holly in ur all life. We all make mistakes in life and they say we learn from our mistake. Same with Mogoeng he has learnt from his mistake amd he will be a good CJ.

      Almaki - 2011-09-05 10:31

      There is absolutely no indication that he truly believes he made a mistake with that specific case, or several other cases in which he made the same type of pronouncements.

      lenand40 - 2011-09-05 11:12

      @Mnumzane. One mistake is acceptable, but three mistakes of the same nature is worrying. He also decented in the Dey case, and admitted that he erred and did not consider the issues concerned properly. Surely, mistakes cannot consistently favour one opinion, otherwise they are called BIAS and not mistakes. As a judge, you cannot make mistakes. You can obviously interprete things differently but you have ample time to consider different presentations and to say you made a mistake is worrying. This is not about getting 75% of the judgements right to get an A, but it is about applying your mind both from a procedure to evidence perspective. Mogoeng's "mistakes" seem to be biased seeing women as deserving of being rape especially in spousal issues. Fact remains that rape is rape is rape and there are mininimum prescribed sentences. Assault and murder are additional charges in many rape cases and to therefore say someone was not hurt badly is to show both arrogance of power and ignorance of the law.

      Chronoman - 2011-09-05 13:00

      @Paralegal, the person suitable for this job is someone who is so bright, so experienced that a mistake would be virtually nonexistent, like in the case of his predecessor. There was no controversy like we have here with the appointment of previous chief justices simply because his peers recognised first of all that he is not the right man for the job. His experience only showed up his weaknesses and prejudices.

      wisegirl - 2011-09-05 15:21

      Mnumzane: a chief justice may not make "mistakes" like an ordinary citizen, he is not judges by the same standards, because his decisions affect people's lives and must be seen to serve justice. So , no we are noptb perfect but our chief justice should be. please do some research before you post your simplistic remarks here

  • zulufox - 2011-09-05 10:01

    yawn, let's just all move on and deal with it... the JSC likes the guy, the president likes the guy, I like the guy so... enuff said.

      sganja - 2011-09-05 10:05

      I also like him,I don't know why so much talk.

      Paralegal - 2011-09-05 10:47

      Well lets hope you like him when you appear before him and he makes a shocking mess of his judgement - or are you perhaps banking on the fact that he is lenient on gender based violence amongst other things?

      Felix - 2011-09-05 12:12

      Phew, I was worried about what you thought Zulufox... not.

  • Chris - 2011-09-05 10:02

    He was surely chosen because he will rubber stamp governments new draconian laws? The burning question though is will he be able to be a leader at the Constitutional Court or will the more experienced incumbents allow him to become the laughing stock of the judiciary?

      Mnumzane - 2011-09-05 10:13

      Those who hate him will leave the CC and he will be the longest serving CJ in the country as the age is on his side. Even Moseneke jumped the quee and nobody fought with him in the CC.

      lenand40 - 2011-09-05 11:14

      You give him too much credit, Chris. As much as I dislike the guy, he does not have the overwhelming power implied. What powers he has is deciding who gets to hear a case. If a parliamentary issue is presented to the constitutional court, then it will be a full bench and chances he will be outvoted. In fact, I suggest other judges will do their best to show him that his powers are limited.

      gksa - 2011-09-05 11:18

      @mnumzane Surely the principled members of the ConCourt will not abandon it to the wolves because their job now got a little tougher. More than likely it will only make them more determined to see justice triumph. And the fact that Moseneke was accepted by his peers even though he was not the longest-serving member actually only serves to further highlight the difference between him and Mogoeng.

  • static - 2011-09-05 10:02

    Watching the interview on TV I was satisfied that he is competent for the position, especially since the JSC has supported the nomination. Also the media are not experts on law, whereas the JSC is.

      Audacious12 - 2011-09-05 10:11

      100%. We even have 'expert' commenters on this blog.

      Widow - 2011-09-05 10:59

      I most certainly hope that if your wife or daughter gets raped... that they don't appear before this bafoon... cause the perp will get a reduced sentence... Is that ok with you static??

      gksa - 2011-09-05 11:26

      The JSC's support comes as no surprise. 5 of its members are appointed at the sole discretion of the president. A further 7 are appointed by the ruling party based on their majorities in Parliament and the NCOP. Another 4 are appointed by the president based on nominations, which he doesn't have to follow. This brings us to a total of 16 out of 23 members being at the President/Leader of the ruling party's discretion. Guess how many members of the JSC voted to support Mogoeng's nomination?

      Felix - 2011-09-05 12:16

      @gksa, stop with all the logic. These twits already know it, they probably even get paid our tax money to sit on these forums spouting propaganda.

  • thabiso.phokwane - 2011-09-05 10:10

    Zuma must be rolling over the moon. Zuma is a woman eater and his parl at the other hand homophobic. How does that sounds.

      garco - 2011-09-05 19:43

      At least if I rape some woman or man, I have a very good chance of getting away. Have a shower aftewards or tell him the man was homosexual. How about a suspended sentence Chief Justice MOEGOE.

  • GH - 2011-09-05 10:12

    He does not strike me as a humble man.

      Slackie - 2011-09-05 10:43

      He is barly a man at all.

      daaivark - 2011-09-05 10:58

      Understatement of the week, GH. Arrogant beyond belief!

  • Evan - 2011-09-05 10:20

    All of this is just beyond me. A person voted into such a huge and position should have a flawless track record which Mr Mogoeng clearly does not have. Its just Crazy!!!

      zaatheist - 2011-09-05 14:23

      Mogoeng is crazy. He hears voices in his head and thinks a god is taalking to him.

  • Islay - 2011-09-05 10:29

    Do you not think that Zuma is covering all his bases here - he needs a Chief Justice that will not reopen his corruption case if he is not elected president - remember that his case is due to come up the minute he is no longer in power.

      Slackie - 2011-09-05 10:42

      Nuff said.

      Paralegal - 2011-09-05 10:49


      lenand40 - 2011-09-05 11:17

      You give him too much power. He does not have the power to re-open criminal cases, at least not yet. Furthermore, decision is not his alone.

      Michael - 2011-09-05 13:14

      NICE POINT! You're a SHARP chap, thank you. spread this comment as far and as loud as you possibly can!

  • Mart - 2011-09-05 10:32

    I have serious doubts about Zuma's ability to appoint a gardener, never mind the Chief Justice of South Africa. Many, many of his previous appointees have proven to be lying cheating criminals so I am apt to go with popular opinion and doubt the suitability of Mogoeng Mogoeng.

      flummoxed - 2011-09-05 11:41

      Its the 'old boy's club' wouldn't you know..

  • Johnny - 2011-09-05 10:34

    I kept quiet until now because I'd never seen the man or heard him speak, until this weekend on TV. He struck me as a little man. Very little. With a short temper. And not much intellectual depth. Not CJ material in a million years. It can only happen in SA. May God help us.

      flummoxed - 2011-09-05 11:34

      You are so right..

      zaatheist - 2011-09-05 14:27

      Agreed "not much intellectual depth". In fact he still has the mind of a child as he obviously still believes in the Easter Bunny, Santa, Jesus and the Tooth Fairy.


    1. He is Black. 2. God thinks its a good idea. 3. He is Black. No contest...Moeghoe wins !

      Slackie - 2011-09-05 10:37

      He is ZUma's Buddie

      cliffarc - 2011-09-05 10:46

      - and he is incompetent.

      Ingie - 2011-09-05 11:53

      And by this you mean!!!!!

      cliffarc - 2011-09-05 12:25

      - His appointment stenches of political interference and not merit.

  • Percy Higgins - 2011-09-05 10:46

    Why didn't the The Sonke Gender Justice Network raise these questions at his initial JSC interview to be appointed as a Judge? One then would not have had him producing the judgments that they don't like?

      daaivark - 2011-09-05 10:59

      Quite possibly they were not invited.

      Almaki - 2011-09-05 12:07

      As far as I know, public participation did not form part of his initial interviews. The only way outside organisations had of raising concerns about him were via formal communication to the JSC, and creating public awareness via media channels.

  • flummoxed - 2011-09-05 10:48

    Chief Justice (in waiting) Mogoeng Mogoeng presumes too much in stating that 'God' wants him to be Chief Justice. To have said this, will be the beginning of the end for his aspirations for he cannot show his lack of self control one moment and then utter prophetic words the next.

      Slackie - 2011-09-05 10:55

      Don't underestimate the extent of relegious stupidity, there are many who apon hearing him say "I believe God wants me to be chief justice" went into a wide eyed dizzy spell and fell to the floor while foameing at the mouth. Now they think it's the second comming.

      zaatheist - 2011-09-05 14:29

      @Slackie Ha ha. For an omnipotent and omniscient being, God has made some really lousy earthly staffing decisions.

  • JohnyBlue - 2011-09-05 11:06

    I think he may have been nominated because of his soft stance on rape..... Maybe someone has future plans to get away with rape after not having injured the lady?

      Slackie - 2011-09-05 11:10

      Mogoeng say: "No such thing as rape, Woman run faster with dress up than man with pants down!"

      cliffarc - 2011-09-05 11:38

      - Slackie - now that's a classic right there. L bloody uncontrolably OL.

  • Keletso Sekgarametso - 2011-09-05 11:12

    @Zulu i love the Guy too. People must just accept and move on. @Paralegal get your facts straight, it was not a child rape...but rape in a marriage, goshhhhhh... @Mnumzane.... High five to your statement @

      Slackie - 2011-09-05 11:21

      @Keletso High five Mnumzane "age is on his side?" this speaks volumes for his inexperiance .... oh wait God whispered in Mogoeng's ear "pssst hey! I want you to be Chief Justice ... tell everybody i told you so" HOW GULLABLE ARE YOU!?

      lenand40 - 2011-09-05 11:35

      State vs Serekwane. It is about a 7 year old who was "raped" by a 30 year old man. Read up on these things before commenting.

      Almaki - 2011-09-05 12:11

      Oh wow, so if his judgement was about rape in a marriage that would be ok? What's your opinion on his judgement regarding the woman who was dragged behind her boyfriend's car? Is that also ok because it was her boyfriend? Despicable. I sincerely hope you never have to endure either of the above - you have no idea what you speak of.

      Felix - 2011-09-05 12:20

      Oh it was only rape in a marriage? Welllll alrighty then, thats just fine.

      Widow - 2011-09-05 14:37

      @keletso You are a disgrace to women you disgusting skank.

  • arthur.amgen - 2011-09-05 11:15

    The fools are those on the JSC who voted for this inexperienced, iliterate, Zuma stooge. Another AA appointee. Can,t even write out judgements. Does not know what rape is. Has superstitious believes that god wants him as SA top judge. What next! Welcome to South Africa where the incompetent, average and mediocre are rewarded with positions because of there skin colour and loyalty to the ANC/Zuma 783

  • crackerr - 2011-09-05 11:16

    As for the comment almost at the beginning of the comment section that the majority South Africans support the candidate, please take cognizance of the voting pattern on the ballot sections of both News24 and TL. Not even 10% seems happy with the candidate. Amazing what some try to circulate on these pages as fact!

  • JohnyBlue - 2011-09-05 11:19

    I was wondering, what does it say when someone who was accused of rape, picks someone who is lenient against rapists as Chief Justice?

      Evan - 2011-09-05 11:22

      It says exactly what you are thinking. Insane!

      Slackie - 2011-09-05 11:26

      SA is the rape capital of the world, what more do you expect, they only acting for the will of the people.

  • Craig - 2011-09-05 11:24

    The Chief Justice deals with ALL aspects of teh law and not only gender issues - There ae also red lights flashing about the funders of the Sonke Gender Justice.

      crackerr - 2011-09-05 11:41

      What red lights? If you don't give the facts or the sources your comment must be regarded by fair minded persons as malicious.

      Almaki - 2011-09-05 12:15

      That he does. This is a man who wanted a death sentence carried out, even though there were serious concerns about the convicted person's legal representation during trial, and even about his guilt. Is this the man you want as Chief Justice?

  • Richard - 2011-09-05 11:25

    Contrary to the sane opinion of 90% of the South African population I think the President will confirm the Mogoeng appointment. Does that say something of our President's judgement of better choices?

  • Andy - 2011-09-05 11:29

    Relax Guys, Zuma's days are numbered! Await the second coming President Malema! You will have soo much more to worry about a few marital rapes will seem like a walk in the park. THIS IS THE WRITING ON THE WALL.

      Slackie - 2011-09-05 11:34

      What good is a 3rd world country without a 3rd world mentality. Pitty the dumbest get the best continent.

  • Silli - 2011-09-05 11:46

    Damn. I saw the headline and thought this was a UFO sighting.

      Slackie - 2011-09-05 11:55

      Naahhh, but it's just as blurry

  • Ntethane - 2011-09-05 11:50

    It is unfortunate that the appointment of the Chief Justice has become a political issue. It could have been better for the Commission to allow more candidates. There is no doubt that Mogoeng is intelligent and can do the job save for the image and record is having together with the type of buggage he will be carrying into this job. It is not right that already there some of his colleagues with whom he does not concur, especially a Deputy Chief Justice. If I was in his position I would do the honourable thing and turn down the appointment, but I also understand that ambition is taking the upper hand here. N. E. Mguye (Kimberley)

      umlaut - 2011-09-06 08:15

      AT Ntethane--"There is no doubt that Mogoeng is intelligent and can do the job save for the image and record" An intelligent man for that position will not need to read from pre written documents explaining his policies and abilities. He should be able to 'talk' to the listeners. He may be slightly intelligent but we need a person that is superior at all levels. Their is only one chief justice.!! There is also a problem with the composition of the commission. The judges and legal profession should have their own commission and a vote should come of that. --Then a commission representing the broad public should question him and a vote should come of that as to get an idea of the political opinion relating to the case, but this vote should not count. Only the vote of the legal profession and the judges should count. A judge should never be appointed on political grounds. The fact that he never wrote any legal articles is a serious defect in his attitude towards the legal profession and for a position of chief justice. Come on SA you can do better than that---we shall be ashamed of this guy and his standards. To be confident isn't the only important criteria for a chief justice, and in his case he is over confident, and to be arrogant is not a good characteristic where you must serve society with good impartial justice. He will believe he is right and he alone, because God appointed him.!!!!!!!!!!

  • george07 - 2011-09-05 12:38

    sganja is smoking ganja

  • Zola Zimase - 2011-09-05 12:49

    It will be beneficial if the lobby groups like the "Sonke Gender Justice Network" could at least tell us who is their "preferred" candidate so that we can scrutinise that candidate. Presently they are just trying to push their narrow interests that are baseless. Judge Mogoeng did make a commitment into upholding the Constitution. What else did they expect from a Judge? As the Judge said, 'I do not have to be PRO this one or ANTi that one, but to be just a JUDGE".

  • Michael - 2011-09-05 13:00

    why would Zuma reconsider his appointment? This is the man who was on trial for rape. (and then took a shower to make sure he didn't contract AIDS) Does anyone think that Zuma gives a damn about Mogoeng's judgments on rape cases? If it wasn't for the Nepotistic Governmet ("ng") Mogoeng would be nothing but a Mogoe. get it? Mogoeng - ng = Mogoe. Why do you have to say his name twice, anyway? is it like a warning that he's coming, or what? Mogoeng Mogoeng! attention attention , judge who doesn't bode well for woman coming around the corner!

  • I_Say - 2011-09-05 14:11

    If the President approved and the JSC approved why all the fuss??? And YES, if he is elected than I agree, GOD did want him to be elected, because if GOD didn't want him elected than he would not have been.. Oh, the joys of a democracy ...

  • Malose - 2011-09-05 15:46

    I am dismayed at the negative and racist undertones that has followed the nomination of our Chief Justice. There is no substance but just noise, the judge appeared in front of JSC and 16 of the commissioners recommended him. People must understand that the majority of the population voted for ANC and the president is empowered to make his choice, not DA. Counter revolutionary forces like Sonke Justice Nonsense who are DA puppets should not be allowed to hinder our transformation agenda. As they say " Sehlare sa mosotho ke lekgowa"

      umlaut - 2011-09-06 08:37

      Malose---the anc has fooled you--and there are no racist undertones here with the comments. This guy is to be a chief justice-----if Mogoeng was white, people would be just as concerned, and you know what, you would have objected to him if he was white.!!!!!

  • umlaut - 2011-09-05 15:51

    If he speaks for God then he is capable of having a 'dream' about a situation or a case to solve and he would refer to old testament solutions and he will ignore our constitution. His 'judgement' on the reaction of the people critisizing him is already showing of BAD judgement qualities. We have some more problems South Africa.

  • truth - 2011-09-05 16:26

    I agree with sganja. IF the Sonke Gender Justice Network took some time to listen to what the judge said, and took some time to read his judgments, and if they were to stay objective, they can say something. I watched every minute of the interrogations, and point by point the judge exposed the truth untill most JSC members started backing him.

  • Duvula - 2011-09-05 17:20

    I fail to understand the value of the contribution by some of the commissioners in the JSC such as JP Ngoepe, Jeff Radebe, Ngoako Ramahlodi, Deputy minister of Home Affairs and others. They did not interrogate Mogoeng in order to ellicit his suitability for the top job,but instead they were there to endorse his appointment as the President's nominee. It was clear that they were there to protect him than to interview him. He may be or may not be the suitable candidate,but those commissioners have denied us the public an opportunity to consciously formulate our own opinion about his suitability.

  • youcantrunyoucanthide - 2011-09-05 17:21

    This tact that is implemented by politicians of pretending to be "God's anointed speaker" on earth is nothing new within the South African context. The first one to set up this example is Archbishop Desmond Tutu, who himself admitted that he is more interested in politics than theology, whose actual experience of being an archbishop is very limited, who admittedly views his calling as that of being an agent of political change (as opposed to the salvation of human souls), and who insisted on conducting the TRC hearings in his pious purple gown... big shiny cross around his neck included. This clerical poser used religion as a smokescreen to advance his own political ambitions and in the process set the tone for other political cadres like Malema and Mogoeng to do the same.

  • youcantrunyoucanthide - 2011-09-05 17:24

    @Daaivark - "I can just imagine the chaos if every Tom, Dick and Harry with no brain but strong opinions could have their far-out views taken into consideration." You basically just described democracy (or, at least, the South African version thereof).

  • Duvula - 2011-09-05 17:26

    It seems Moegoeng accepted the nomination because God want him to be CJ and not because he believes that he has the necessary credentials to be at the helm of the CC.

  • Ray Billa - 2011-09-05 19:25

    The criticisms levelled against Mogogoeng are disingenious. He is already a Constitutional Court. Those judgements should have made him ineligible for appointment to the Court initially. He should make a great Chief Justice.

  • sokis210 - 2011-09-05 19:50

    I'm satisfied with the performance of CJ Mogoeng during his interview. Before the interviews, I was nearly misled by the media, after watching the guy, I support his nomination. Guess what, HE WILL BE the CJ. Live with it.

  • Sprinkaan - 2011-09-05 20:38

    Mogoeng Mogoeng , it sounds like a ring tone

      umlaut - 2011-09-06 08:42

      Yes a very annoying ring tone.

  • beatlejuice - 2011-09-05 22:18

    Moegoe is definetely not the sharpest pencil in the pencil case. His prepared statement was good but he was exceptionally poor in his responses. Having read the M&G on his judgements pertaining to child abuse and marital rape all that can be said of the man is that he is a monumentally poor example of a judge, not least a CJ. I thought his last remark re the press and not allowing other people to 'endure' what he had to, pretty ominous. Equally noteworthy that he cited pre 1994 judgements to defend his rather dubious acts and JZ only got off because he was judged on pre-1994 laws pertaining to rape.

  • White Knight - 2011-09-05 22:41

    @Umshlugubaba---- you hit the nail on the showerhead. Zuma and the ANC will use him to sign the new Info Protection Bill into Law when it is appealed to the ConCourt... Watch , don't even hold your breath. South Africa and a free press is well and truly screwed...

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  • frank.fay1 - 2011-09-06 06:40

    how can sganja speak for the majority

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